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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:30 AM
Is the UNC witch hunt about to spread ?
A few weeks ago, I raised my concern that comments made by governor McCrory regarding the Martin Report did not bode well for our university, and its relationship with our republican controlled legislature.
Today's front page article in the Durham Herald-Sun does little to assuage my fear:
McCrory : Colleges Should focus on job skills
The thrust of article is McCrory's plan to draft legislation "in which we change the basic formula and how education money is given out to our universities...not based on many butts in seats but how many of those butts can get jobs."
When radio host, Bill Bennett "took a jab at UNC", McCrory "agreed with Bennett's choice of target."
McCrory said, "Right now I'm looking for engineers. I'm looking for technicians."
Mcrory said that investments would be made in science and technology like advanced manufacturing and data sciences.
McCrory said, "I think some of the educational elite have taken over our education where we are offering courses that have no chance of getting people jobs."
I think any reasonable person can see the writing on the wall. The state legislature is going to take state monies from the UNC budget and transfer them to ncst.
With a republican legislature it looks like its going to be good to be an agg-dog and not so good to be an "elite" public university.
My other fear is that the BOG will continue an investigation that should have ended with the Martin Report. At least one member of the BOG has given a negative comment on the report.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:55 AM
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What is the employment rate of UNC grads? iNCeST grads? I think the gov's comments are based on a cost-benefit ratio. If a school is pumping out unemployable grads then the cost to the taxpayers may not be worth the perceived benefit. I don't think this is agenda driven, it's pure $$ and cents. This state spends too much money on education to have such a poorly educated population and the gov wants to rectify that.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:13 AM
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What is the employment rate of UNC grads? iNCeST grads? I think the gov's comments are based on a cost-benefit ratio. If a school is pumping out unemployable grads then the cost to the taxpayers may not be worth the perceived benefit. I don't think this is agenda driven, it's pure $$ and cents. This state spends too much money on education to have such a poorly educated population and the gov wants to rectify that.
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This is not about any cost-benefit ratio. This is about the de facto governor, Art Pope, finally achieving his goal of "conservatizing" the UNC curriculum.
Pope has spent years and millions of dollars trying to influence the UNC curriculum.
We have a gem in UNC. It is famous around the world. It is a top 5 public university. We should be committing resources to make it #1.
Instead, we are laying the ground work to become another South Carolina or Alabama.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:13 AM
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The headline and story are misleading as would be the normal case with the C$O and the N$O. It is the entire UNC system not just UNC-CH, nc state college included VVVV Later in the interview, he said, “Right now I’m looking for engineers, I’m looking for technicians, I’m looking for mechanics.” Karey Harwood, associate professor of religious studies and women’s and gender studies at N.C. State University, said the vocational focus is shortsighted. “I don’t know what kinds of jobs McCrory wishes for UNC graduates, but his comments certainly suggest that he has low expectations for UNC students and for the state of North Carolina, which is disappointing – and insulting,” Harwood said. Read more here: www.charlotteobserver.com/2013...l#storylink=cpy |
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:27 AM
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What pray tell does what the governor said have to do with witch-hunting athletics? Unless you're insinuating our athletes are in majors with no likelihood of job success.
Alright. So let's just agree now that Exercise and Sports Science majors like Gio, Reddick, Renner, Hurst, Tim Jackson and others have no future. Right? There's no hope for communications majors like Cooper, Ebron, Guy and Sly Williams. Nor for Management majors like Casey Barth and Thomas Moore. Certainly Applied Science/Biomedical Engineering has no future in it for Pete Mangum nor does Public Policy for Devon Ramsay and Kareem Martin. And Nic Platt definitely has no future opportunity with a degree in Economics. Yep they're all headed for deadendsville and a life on subsistence for sure. They should have all majored in French History like Professor Jay Smith, right?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:31 AM
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www.dailytarheel.com/article/2...es-liberal-artsnc state college has a plethora of liberal arts courses The College of Humanities and Social Sciences provides education, research and extension services in traditional humanities fields including literature, communications and political science. The college also focuses on public policy, global perspectives and other rapidly emerging disciplines such as rhetoric, film studies and digital media. Communication English Foreign Languages & Literatures History Interdisciplinary Studies Philosophy & Religious Studies Political Science [in the School of Public and International Affairs] Psychology Public Administration [in the School of Public and International Affairs] Social Work Sociology & Anthropology
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:57 AM
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I don't think he's saying that he wants to eliminate liberal arts education. I think he means that as long as we are having to grant visas to Indians to fill our computer and engineering jobs, that we need to redirect funding to encourage our Universities to turn out more of the needed degrees.If you have to eliminate a liberal arts degree program at each of 16 campuses (Example: Gender Studies at UNC, Communications at NCSU, Philosophy at WS State etc. etc.) to fund that then so be it.
It's crazy to import people to fill good paying jobs when we have people, that if educated properly, can fill those jobs.
Actually our Universities should be doing this without prodding from the legislature since our endowment benefits more by having more well paid alumni.
It's just a funding issue. We (the UNC system) are not going to get more funds. How do we get more bang for the buck?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:03 AM
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What is the employment rate of UNC grads? iNCeST grads? I think the gov's comments are based on a cost-benefit ratio. If a school is pumping out unemployable grads then the cost to the taxpayers may not be worth the perceived benefit. I don't think this is agenda driven, it's pure $$ and cents. This state spends too much money on education to have such a poorly educated population and the gov wants to rectify that.
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This sate spends the lowest per capita amount on education in the entire nation.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:04 AM
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There are some real unusual inconsistencies in the McCrory comments. If it were just Pat talking, you would wonder how he has so quickly forgotten that his pre Governor political life was dependant on the Charlotte banking/finance/service sector economy, hardly the home of textile, agriculture and engineering concerns.
The other confusing element to his statement is that he fails to explain just where these engineers, scientists and technical graduates are going to find work. If he thinks there is a high demand for these skills in NC, he may be smoking crack.
The balance and availability of high quality technical and liberal arts educations is more important than having the government channel students into educational endeavors that they have no real passion for. After all, in a free society (remember those?) every man deserves the freedom to chase his own dream. His success should only be measured by his own contentment, and not by the expectations of others, especially professional politicians and bureaucrats.
Sadly, Governor Pat is a slave to Art Pope, and Art Pope is less a political conservative and much more a pro business fanatic. Pope’s view of the world is that business should be completely unconstrained by regulations or moral responsibilities. I consider myself to be on the far right side of the political spectrum and I find Art Pope’s ideology to be frightening. I’d also be willing to wager that Pat’s attorney, doctor, accountant, pastor, pharmacist, nor banker went to NC State.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:22 AM
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I don't think he's saying that he wants to eliminate liberal arts education. I think he means that as long as we are having to grant visas to Indians to fill our computer and engineering jobs, that we need to redirect funding to encourage our Universities to turn out more of the needed degrees.If you have to eliminate a liberal arts degree program at each of 16 campuses (Example: Gender Studies at UNC, Communications at NCSU, Philosophy at WS State etc. etc.) to fund that then so be it.
It's crazy to import people to fill good paying jobs when we have people, that if educated properly, can fill those jobs.
Actually our Universities should be doing this without prodding from the legislature since our endowment benefits more by having more well paid alumni.
It's just a funding issue. We (the UNC system) are not going to get more funds. How do we get more bang for the buck?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:34 AM
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The governor is confusing "most people pursue a degree to get a better job" with "college is job training." A degree from an institution with UNC's reputation is a signifier that a person is worth the investment to hire, not an certification that a person knows what they need to know to do a job. You can't have a diverse curriculum without a diverse set of majors. Maybe some folks don't see any value to NC in sociology majors, but I am grateful that we had a strong enough program to attract a professor of the caliber of John Shelton Reed.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:35 AM
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Is he going to import Indian students to fill the college slots that North Carolina students have chosen not to sign up for?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:46 AM
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Bingo, 62. And assuming that this is what the Gov is thinking, I generally agree with him - while these academic pursuits can be noble, funding that might steer more students to "hard skills" disciplines is well warranted.
Hopefully it's not all about cutting programs (though I'm sure there's some of that) - I'm thinking of the state-of-the art electrical engineering lab that steers candidates to UNC and students to the major.
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I don't think he's saying that he wants to eliminate liberal arts education. I think he means that as long as we are having to grant visas to Indians to fill our computer and engineering jobs, that we need to redirect funding to encourage our Universities to turn out more of the needed degrees.If you have to eliminate a liberal arts degree program at each of 16 campuses (Example: Gender Studies at UNC, Communications at NCSU, Philosophy at WS State etc. etc.) to fund that then so be it.
It's crazy to import people to fill good paying jobs when we have people, that if educated properly, can fill those jobs.
Actually our Universities should be doing this without prodding from the legislature since our endowment benefits more by having more well paid alumni.
It's just a funding issue. We (the UNC system) are not going to get more funds. How do we get more bang for the buck?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:53 AM
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It is naive not to think that state monies are going to be transferred from the UNC budget to the ncst budget.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:57 AM
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What pray tell does what the governor said have to do with witch-hunting athletics? Unless you're insinuating our athletes are in majors with no likelihood of job success.
Alright. So let's just agree now that Exercise and Sports Science majors like Gio, Reddick, Renner, Hurst, Tim Jackson and others have no future. Right? There's no hope for communications majors like Cooper, Ebron, Guy and Sly Williams. Nor for Management majors like Casey Barth and Thomas Moore. Certainly Applied Science/Biomedical Engineering has no future in it for Pete Mangum nor does Public Policy for Devon Ramsay and Kareem Martin. And Nic Platt definitely has no future opportunity with a degree in Economics. Yep they're all headed for deadendsville and a life on subsistence for sure. They should have all majored in French History like Professor Jay Smith, right?
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That is nowhere close to what my post said. Here is my point: just as certain constituencies went out to take down the UNC football team and the athletic department, more broadly; so too are similar political constituencies looking to take UNC down a peg academically and give a boost to ncst.
McCrory and Pope are signaling where the money is going. Follow the money.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:16 AM
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Not a NC resident so I'll stick to generalities. If the governor is worried about producing more college educated engineers etc, doesn't that start with science and mathematics in K-12?
If a state government is going to go about these kinds of changes shouldn't there be data to back it up. Is he offering any?
Agree wholeheartedly that college is not simply vocational. The University should resist McDonaldization.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:20 AM
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You mean like this, gbunce?:
'Also in the interview, McCrory used the academic scandal at UNC-CH involving athletes to drive the point. "It's even hit our athletic departments. Sad to say, at Carolina, our great basketball program, they took Swahili on a night study course where they didn't have to do any work and got B-pluses," McCrory added. "What are we teaching these courses for if they are not going to help get a job.""
projects.newsobserver.com/unde..._uncchapel_hill
I hope people realize how rare it is for the top public official of a state to go out of his way to run down the flagship school of his state and one of a handful of nationally recognized great public universities in the nation. If you don't think the Gov's office is poring over every word Dan Kane has ever written, you are kidding yourself.
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What pray tell does what the governor said have to do with witch-hunting athletics? Unless you're insinuating our athletes are in majors with no likelihood of job success.
Alright. So let's just agree now that Exercise and Sports Science majors like Gio, Reddick, Renner, Hurst, Tim Jackson and others have no future. Right? There's no hope for communications majors like Cooper, Ebron, Guy and Sly Williams. Nor for Management majors like Casey Barth and Thomas Moore. Certainly Applied Science/Biomedical Engineering has no future in it for Pete Mangum nor does Public Policy for Devon Ramsay and Kareem Martin. And Nic Platt definitely has no future opportunity with a degree in Economics. Yep they're all headed for deadendsville and a life on subsistence for sure. They should have all majored in French History like Professor Jay Smith, right?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:28 AM
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Bet this really helps the Chancellor search. Nice job gov.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:31 AM
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McCrory is a scary ABC'er, one with power, thanks to all the boneheads that voted for that stupid a**.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:35 AM
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Instead, we are laying the ground work to become another South Carolina or Alabama.
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More like Mississippi. There are a lot of real dumb folks in NC that can't understand what having a great world-renowned university like UNC has done for the quality of life in this state, starting with our new govervor, who couldn't have graduated from Carolina in anything.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:39 AM
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^^Post of the day
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:42 AM
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Bet this really helps the Chancellor search. Nice job gov.
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Yep,
Please accept our offer to become the next Chancellor at UNC. Your task will be to reduce existing departmental budgets and to work with Art Pope,Civitas, YAF,and the John Locke Foundation to make significant changes in the university's curriculum.
We understand that you may suffer significant faculty exits and that the academic reputation of the university may decline. However, we are hopeful that,by increasing funding for ncst,the university system's reputation,as a whole, may lose ground at a slower rate.
While maintaining a top 5 ranking among public universities no longer will possible, you can be sure that you will have the support to remain competitive with many of our fellow regional states such as South Carolina,Tennessee,Kentucky,West Virginia,and Alabama.
Welcome aboard ! We look forward to working with you to help UNC make the transition to a new era in higher education in North Carolina.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:07 PM
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I think you just proved the gov's point. For most of those students, any job success they have following their UNC days will be related to something other than their degrees/majors. It's not just athletes, many liberal arts majors offer no hope for a good job.
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What pray tell does what the governor said have to do with witch-hunting athletics? Unless you're insinuating our athletes are in majors with no likelihood of job success.
Alright. So let's just agree now that Exercise and Sports Science majors like Gio, Reddick, Renner, Hurst, Tim Jackson and others have no future. Right? There's no hope for communications majors like Cooper, Ebron, Guy and Sly Williams. Nor for Management majors like Casey Barth and Thomas Moore. Certainly Applied Science/Biomedical Engineering has no future in it for Pete Mangum nor does Public Policy for Devon Ramsay and Kareem Martin. And Nic Platt definitely has no future opportunity with a degree in Economics. Yep they're all headed for deadendsville and a life on subsistence for sure. They should have all majored in French History like Professor Jay Smith, right?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:44 PM
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A few weeks ago, I raised my concern that comments made by governor McCrory regarding the Martin Report did not bode well for our university, and its relationship with our republican controlled legislature.
Today's front page article in the Durham Herald-Sun does little to assuage my fear:
McCrory : Colleges Should focus on job skills
The thrust of article is McCrory's plan to draft legislation "in which we change the basic formula and how education money is given out to our universities...not based on many butts in seats but how many of those butts can get jobs."
When radio host, Bill Bennett "took a jab at UNC", McCrory "agreed with Bennett's choice of target."
McCrory said, "Right now I'm looking for engineers. I'm looking for technicians."
Mcrory said that investments would be made in science and technology like advanced manufacturing and data sciences.
McCrory said, "I think some of the educational elite have taken over our education where we are offering courses that have no chance of getting people jobs."
I think any reasonable person can see the writing on the wall. The state legislature is going to take state monies from the UNC budget and transfer them to ncst.
With a republican legislature it looks like its going to be good to be an agg-dog and not so good to be an "elite" public university.
My other fear is that the BOG will continue an investigation that should have ended with the Martin Report. At least one member of the BOG has given a negative comment on the report.
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The state's not really paying the bills in chapel hill anymore, so im not worried about marginal budget cuts from them. The only thing i took from McCroys statements is that his administration seems like the perfect time for us to push for a full engineering program at Carolina.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:46 PM
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Richard. Vinroot.
Where is he on this? He is the missing link.
He is in McCrory's inner circle -- if not his higher brain -- and is supposed to be up to speed on thing's UNC (he is on the chancellor search committee.)
Where does Vinroot stand?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:50 PM
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It's presumptive (at best) to assume that they are, based solely on the comments referenced above.
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It is naive not to think that state monies are going to be transferred from the UNC budget to the ncst budget.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:50 PM
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You are so naive. This is 100% agenda-driven.
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What is the employment rate of UNC grads? iNCeST grads? I think the gov's comments are based on a cost-benefit ratio. If a school is pumping out unemployable grads then the cost to the taxpayers may not be worth the perceived benefit. I don't think this is agenda driven, it's pure $$ and cents. This state spends too much money on education to have such a poorly educated population and the gov wants to rectify that.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:51 PM
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It's not just athletes, many liberal arts majors offer no hope for a good job.
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Link to an actual study?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:53 PM
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A few weeks ago, I raised my concern that comments made by governor McCrory regarding the Martin Report did not bode well for our university, and its relationship with our republican controlled legislature.
Today's front page article in the Durham Herald-Sun does little to assuage my fear:
McCrory : Colleges Should focus on job skills
The thrust of article is McCrory's plan to draft legislation "in which we change the basic formula and how education money is given out to our universities...not based on many butts in seats but how many of those butts can get jobs."
When radio host, Bill Bennett "took a jab at UNC", McCrory "agreed with Bennett's choice of target."
McCrory said, "Right now I'm looking for engineers. I'm looking for technicians."
Mcrory said that investments would be made in science and technology like advanced manufacturing and data sciences.
McCrory said, "I think some of the educational elite have taken over our education where we are offering courses that have no chance of getting people jobs."
I think any reasonable person can see the writing on the wall. The state legislature is going to take state monies from the UNC budget and transfer them to ncst.
With a republican legislature it looks like its going to be good to be an agg-dog and not so good to be an "elite" public university.
My other fear is that the BOG will continue an investigation that should have ended with the Martin Report. At least one member of the BOG has given a negative comment on the report.
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The state's not really paying the bills in chapel hill anymore, so im not worried about marginal budget cuts from them. The only thing i took from McCroys statements is that his administration seems like the perfect time for us to push for a full engineering program at Carolina.
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So the $400 million dollar cut last year didn't really hurt us ?
And I agree with you. If the republicans really want a top notch engineering program, they should move it to Chapel Hill.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:07 PM
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Check the job market.
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It's not just athletes, many liberal arts majors offer no hope for a good job.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:17 PM
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Again, please cite a study. Unemployment rates on the macro level have nothing to do with your claim. Besides, this shows that those with a bachelor's degree have a 95% employment rate: www.ibtimes.com/despite-unempl...ave-jobs-313842 |
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:27 PM
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Well, there are jobs, and there are jobs. Many liberal arts majors need to learn to say, "paper or plastic." --------------------------------------------- --- jsb23nc wrote: Again, please cite a study. Unemployment rates on the macro level have nothing to do with your claim. Besides, this shows that those with a bachelor's degree have a 95% employment rate: www.ibtimes.com/despite-unempl...ave-jobs-313842--------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:42 PM
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And what would that agenda be?
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You are so naive. This is 100% agenda-driven.
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What is the employment rate of UNC grads? iNCeST grads? I think the gov's comments are based on a cost-benefit ratio. If a school is pumping out unemployable grads then the cost to the taxpayers may not be worth the perceived benefit. I don't think this is agenda driven, it's pure $$ and cents. This state spends too much money on education to have such a poorly educated population and the gov wants to rectify that.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:53 PM
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And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.
Sigh.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:05 PM
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And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.
Sigh.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:24 PM
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"Sigh" what heel4evr? Are you too busy running down our basketball coach on the other board? What is it exactly about UNC that you do support? Not the curriculum, not the sports teams... is it just the pretty shade of blue that brings out your "4evr"?
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And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.
Sigh.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:32 PM
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LOL. So I don't support the sports teams. I guess that is why I have been a Rams Club Member for 30+ years, financial donor to the Dean Dome and Kenan expansion, seasons tickets holder in both basketball and football for 30+ years.
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"Sigh" what heel4evr? Are you too busy running down our basketball coach on the other board? What is it exactly about UNC that you do support? Not the curriculum, not the sports teams... is it just the pretty shade of blue that brings out your "4evr"?
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And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.
Sigh.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:32 PM
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"Sigh" what heel4evr? Are you too busy running down our basketball coach on the other board? What is it exactly about UNC that you do support? Not the curriculum, not the sports teams... is it just the pretty shade of blue that brings out your "4evr"?
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Sigh
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And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.
Sigh.
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I thought it was well known that 4evr is a wuffie troll...
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:33 PM
RE: Is the UNC witch hunt about to spread ?
none of you have this thing called - Google ? well according to CBS News ... FWIW: College majors with the highest unemployment 1. Clinical psychology 19.5% 2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2% 3. United States history 15.1% 4. Library science 15.0% 5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9% 6. Architecture 10.6% 7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4% 8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3% 9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2% 10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2% 11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2% 12. Social psychology 8.8% 13. International business 8.5% 14. Humanities 8.4% 15. General social sciences 8.2% 16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1% 17. Studio art 8.0% 18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9% 19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7% 20. Liberal arts 7.6% 21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4% 22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3% 23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2% 24. Biochemical sciences 7.1% 25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0% College majors with lowest unemployment rates 1. Medical technology technician 1.4% 2. Nursing 2.2% 3. Treatment therapy professions 2.6% 4. Medical assisting services 2.9% 5. Agriculture production & management 3.0% 6. Industrial production technologies 3.1% 7. Pharmacy 3.2% 8. Communications & disorders sciences 3.3% 9. Elementary education 3.6% 10. Special needs education 3.6% 11. Miscellaneous education 3.7% 12. Mechanical engineering 3.8% 13. High school teacher 3.8% 14. Theology & religious vocations 4.1% 15. Management info systems & statistics 4.2% 16. General education 4.2% 17. Health & medical administrative services 4.3% 18. Transportation science & technologies 4.4% 19. Finance 4.5% 20. Physics 4.5% 21. PE/health education 4.5% 22. Criminal justice and fire protection 4.7% 23. PE/Park & Recreation 4.8% 24. Civil engineering 4.9% 25. (tie) Electrical engineering; environmental science; math 5% and from Forbes .... 10 Least Valuable College Majors: www.forbes.com/pictures/lmj45l...college-majors/--------------------------------------------- --- jsb23nc wrote: And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted. Sigh. ---------------------------------------------
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:51 PM
RE: Is the UNC witch hunt about to spread ?
--------------------------------------------- --- BethelRegiment wrote: none of you have this thing called - Google ? well according to CBS News ... FWIW: College majors with the highest unemployment 1. Clinical psychology 19.5% 2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2% 3. United States history 15.1% 4. Library science 15.0% 5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9% 6. Architecture 10.6% 7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4% 8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3% 9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2% 10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2% 11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2% 12. Social psychology 8.8% 13. International business 8.5% 14. Humanities 8.4% 15. General social sciences 8.2% 16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1% 17. Studio art 8.0% 18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9% 19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7% 20. Liberal arts 7.6% 21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4% 22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3% 23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2% 24. Biochemical sciences 7.1% 25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0% College majors with lowest unemployment rates 1. Medical technology technician 1.4% 2. Nursing 2.2% 3. Treatment therapy professions 2.6% 4. Medical assisting services 2.9% 5. Agriculture production & management 3.0% 6. Industrial production technologies 3.1% 7. Pharmacy 3.2% 8. Communications & disorders sciences 3.3% 9. Elementary education 3.6% 10. Special needs education 3.6% 11. Miscellaneous education 3.7% 12. Mechanical engineering 3.8% 13. High school teacher 3.8% 14. Theology & religious vocations 4.1% 15. Management info systems & statistics 4.2% 16. General education 4.2% 17. Health & medical administrative services 4.3% 18. Transportation science & technologies 4.4% 19. Finance 4.5% 20. Physics 4.5% 21. PE/health education 4.5% 22. Criminal justice and fire protection 4.7% 23. PE/Park & Recreation 4.8% 24. Civil engineering 4.9% 25. (tie) Electrical engineering; environmental science; math 5% and from Forbes .... 10 Least Valuable College Majors: www.forbes.com/pictures/lmj45l...college-majors/--------------------------------------------- --- jsb23nc wrote: And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted. Sigh. --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- You mean the same Forbes that nationally ranks UNC #24 as a research university and ncst as #91 ? |
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