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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:12 PM
UNC Tech
Didn't know where else to post this, and I apologize for the potential political nature of this post. Pat McCrory, our new governor, says that he is going to cut state funding to UNC unless they become oriented to a job producing/concentrated curriculum. UNC is a liberal arts university.
I was hoping that we could express our opinions about this new policy without getting into partisan politics. It would seem that if the curriculum were changed to have only courses that trained people for jobs right out of college, we would become a technical college and not a liberal arts university. Would McCrory have UNC eliminate History, English, Fine Arts, etc. from the current curriculum?
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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:44 PM
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This will almost certainly get moved to the ZZL, but it's a topic worthy of discussion.
IMO, there are plenty of other schools across the state (NC State, UNCW, UNCC, App State, ECU, etc.) that all deserve increased state government funding for the work they already do - that being preparing many North Carolina high school students a chance to become gainfully employed upon matriculation from their respective institution and already offer many of those "job producing" majors and concentrations.
I understand the tone of what McCrory is getting at, and at some level agree that a greater emphasis on cultivating a workplace-friendly curriculum/mission in all colleges and universities across the state should be explored at all costs. However, I would greatly caution him and the rest of the government on the DEemphasis of the liberal arts curriculum, specifically because of the perceived notion that the humanities do not prepare students for the workplace. The humanities are there to give students A WELL-ROUNDED EDUCATION, instead of becoming drones for local businesses.
Ask any CEO how important his business class was, and they'll say it was vital to their success in business. Ask them how important their philosophy class was, and they'll say it was vital to their success in life.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:11 PM
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Thanks NCU08. I've never been to ZZL, and I see someone already beat me to it over there. Thanks for your thoughtful response. I agree completely.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:00 AM
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Probably code-speak for want to eliminate AF-AM studies.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:13 AM
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He will not dominate the Board of Governors and it's not possible to get a majority of those folks to eviscerate the curriculum . With all due respect , doesn't the governor have enough on his hands spoiling the environment in the name of profit, much less dragging the University down to Catawba's level?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:20 AM
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You can't drag the state of North Carolina down to South Carolina's level without dragging the UNC System down to Catawba College's level.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:42 AM
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This is a way to punish those "liberal, university elites" that didn't vote for him. This is all noise. But it does concern me that his opinion of a liberal arts education shows no real concept of what higher education is all about. Larry the Cable Guy is more enlightened.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:49 AM
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He will not dominate the Board of Governors and it's not possible to get a majority of those folks to eviscerate the curriculum . With all due respect , doesn't the governor have enough on his hands spoiling the environment in the name of profit, much less dragging the University down to Catawba's level?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:50 AM
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Did he specifically mention UNC in his comments? I understood his comments to be directed at community colleges.
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Didn't know where else to post this, and I apologize for the potential political nature of this post. Pat McCrory, our new governor, says that he is going to cut state funding to UNC unless they become oriented to a job producing/concentrated curriculum. UNC is a liberal arts university.
I was hoping that we could express our opinions about this new policy without getting into partisan politics. It would seem that if the curriculum were changed to have only courses that trained people for jobs right out of college, we would become a technical college and not a liberal arts university. Would McCrory have UNC eliminate History, English, Fine Arts, etc. from the current curriculum?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:00 AM
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I think he has a right thought process but wrong implementation. Realistically,as a parant, I want my child to have that well rounded education but also have instruction in real world skill sets. The cost of a college education is becoming constricting for many of us and it would be nice if "Junior" were prepared to hit the rode running when he gets out of school instead of moving home. Maybe required internships in your major would be a nice way to prepare them for the next level.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:09 AM
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this is totally a side point ... but it's an interesting development nonetheless .......
just about every sizable business I know, including ours, has had unpaid interns (they had to be enrolled in an internship class) ....... a recent lawsuit involving the Charlie Rose TV show of all things has eliminated that at least at my company ..... now we have to pay them at least minimum wage - which most (not everyone but most) people don't want to do ........
please excuse the detour .....
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I think he has a right thought process but wrong implementation. Realistically,as a parant, I want my child to have that well rounded education but also have instruction in real world skill sets. The cost of a college education is becoming constricting for many of us and it would be nice if "Junior" were prepared to hit the rode running when he gets out of school instead of moving home. Maybe required internships in your major would be a nice way to prepare them for the next level.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:18 AM
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In the liberal arts view - education is its own reward - you get an education to be educated. Community and Technical colleges were developed to provide specific job training. But all higher education needs to get their heads out of their butts and get better with what they are doing -- when college is costing an arm and leg there is no excuse for offering any course that doesa not require attendance and work -- that is flat out ripping off tax payers and parents who are writing the checks and I think it is fraud.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:19 AM
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It makes sense... why do you think Raleigh is listed as one of the largest growing markets for tech related jobs. You have to look at the future and what it holds. UNC has medicine but State is an all around better school for those tech related jobs that are driving the economies of the world now. To discount this is naive. When I have a child I'm going to steer them towards a university that can get them employed in growing job markets, not send them to a school based on blind allegiance to sports.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:23 AM
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History, English, and Fine Arts don't drive economies...
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Didn't know where else to post this, and I apologize for the potential political nature of this post. Pat McCrory, our new governor, says that he is going to cut state funding to UNC unless they become oriented to a job producing/concentrated curriculum. UNC is a liberal arts university.
I was hoping that we could express our opinions about this new policy without getting into partisan politics. It would seem that if the curriculum were changed to have only courses that trained people for jobs right out of college, we would become a technical college and not a liberal arts university. Would McCrory have UNC eliminate History, English, Fine Arts, etc. from the current curriculum?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:37 AM
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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:55 AM
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you aren't too bright, are you
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--- HeelRaider615 wrote:
History, English, and Fine Arts don't drive economies...
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--- rlb76unc wrote:
Didn't know where else to post this, and I apologize for the potential political nature of this post. Pat McCrory, our new governor, says that he is going to cut state funding to UNC unless they become oriented to a job producing/concentrated curriculum. UNC is a liberal arts university.
I was hoping that we could express our opinions about this new policy without getting into partisan politics. It would seem that if the curriculum were changed to have only courses that trained people for jobs right out of college, we would become a technical college and not a liberal arts university. Would McCrory have UNC eliminate History, English, Fine Arts, etc. from the current curriculum?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:16 AM
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Did he specifically mention UNC in his comments? I understood his comments to be directed at community colleges.
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Nope, he was talking specifically about universities. Perhaps you were confused because McCrory apparently thinks that our amazing university system and our highly-ranked university should become nothing more than community colleges/vocational schools.
Just unreal.
He showed a complete lack of knowledge of what education is supposed to be. He also exhibited signs of sexism (why single out gender studies as it is no different than any other history class?) and racism (why single out Swahili as it is no different than any other foreign language?).
Finally, he completely fabricated information about the academics scandal. There has been ZERO involvement by the basketball program, Swahili has NOT been listed as a suspect course, and I have no idea where he got the idea that basketball players were getting B+ in Swahili for not doing any work.
This will be a dark ages for education. Sigh.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:30 AM
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If they get their way in Washington and move the Medicare age up to 67, there will be a lot more 65 and 66 year-olds in the workforce which will further crowd out job opportunities for recent graduates.
BTW, there are two things that make North Carolina great- tourism (mountains and coast) and the public higher ed system. Diminish either one of those and we are Mississippi. AND jobs in those two industries cannot be exported overseas. Some people just don't get it.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:41 AM
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A liberal arts education is a complete waste of time. The idea that we need well-rounded human beings capable of critical thinking is grossly overrated.
<<Check your Sarcasmeter before you blast away>>
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:51 AM
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--- NCtaxguy wrote:
Did he specifically mention UNC in his comments? I understood his comments to be directed at community colleges.
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--- rlb76unc wrote:
Didn't know where else to post this, and I apologize for the potential political nature of this post. Pat McCrory, our new governor, says that he is going to cut state funding to UNC unless they become oriented to a job producing/concentrated curriculum. UNC is a liberal arts university.
I was hoping that we could express our opinions about this new policy without getting into partisan politics. It would seem that if the curriculum were changed to have only courses that trained people for jobs right out of college, we would become a technical college and not a liberal arts university. Would McCrory have UNC eliminate History, English, Fine Arts, etc. from the current curriculum?
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Yes, he took a direct shot at UNC.
McCrory is laying ground work to justify a transfer of state monies from UNC to ncst.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:53 AM
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I'm all for liberal arts education .... but let's be honest - the idea that there is whole lot of critical thinking taking place in certain areas of the liberal arts curriculum - eg - gender studies - is also something that may be grossly overrated ......
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A liberal arts education is a complete waste of time. The idea that we need well-rounded human beings capable of critical thinking is grossly overrated.
<<Check your Sarcasmeter before you blast away>>
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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:01 PM
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Surely you saw the Swahili shot aimed (erroneously)specifically at out basketball team and more broadly at our University.
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--- NCtaxguy wrote:
Did he specifically mention UNC in his comments? I understood his comments to be directed at community colleges.
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--- rlb76unc wrote:
Didn't know where else to post this, and I apologize for the potential political nature of this post. Pat McCrory, our new governor, says that he is going to cut state funding to UNC unless they become oriented to a job producing/concentrated curriculum. UNC is a liberal arts university.
I was hoping that we could express our opinions about this new policy without getting into partisan politics. It would seem that if the curriculum were changed to have only courses that trained people for jobs right out of college, we would become a technical college and not a liberal arts university. Would McCrory have UNC eliminate History, English, Fine Arts, etc. from the current curriculum?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:10 PM
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Easy Mcauley.....i have been a tarheel since i came out of the womb. 42 years now, but I have a degree from Catawba!
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He will not dominate the Board of Governors and it's not possible to get a majority of those folks to eviscerate the curriculum . With all due respect , doesn't the governor have enough on his hands spoiling the environment in the name of profit, much less dragging the University down to Catawba's level?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:12 PM
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mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&...228259&p=11For anyone who wants a more in-depth discussion, this thread is at least 11 pages now.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:11 PM
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Let me help put this thread in its rightful place.........Mccrory is a 1000 percent increase over what we had in office....nothing but tax and spend for to many years is what got us in this place to start with...... Now mods can we talk some football, please?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:49 PM
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Art Pope and his campaign money are behind these statements. McCrory is just expressing the sentiments of his misguided donors, who have been on the warpath to defeat the "liberal" in Liberal Arts for some time now. Witch hunts against professors, meddling with economics syllabi... It's not pleasant.
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Probably code-speak for want to eliminate AF-AM studies.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:51 PM
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Art Pope and his campaign money are behind these statements. McCrory is just expressing the sentiments of his misguided donors, who have been on the warpath to defeat the "liberal" in Liberal Arts for some time now. Witch hunts against professors, meddling with economics syllabi... It's not pleasant.
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Probably code-speak for want to eliminate AF-AM studies.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:54 PM
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Ok sure, depending on your ideological persuasions he's "better" on some dimensions. We're discussing his approach to a specific issue which pertains directly to the University, though--an approach which worries a lot of alumni. It's not football, but it's still relevant given the athletics references being tossed in the mix.
Don't ignore these statements just because you agree with McCrory on issues of government spending.
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--- tarheelD wrote:
Let me help put this thread in its rightful place.........Mccrory is a 1000 percent increase over what we had in office....nothing but tax and spend for to many years is what got us in this place to start with...... Now mods can we talk some football, please?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:07 PM
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Yeah, pal, it doesn't matter which way you voted, the fact is the Gov slandered OUR Athletic Dept to make a political point. You don't think that relates to our football program? You don't think Fedora knows we have a new Governor who has made it clear he will use UNC athletics to make a broader political point, aided by the State contingent in local gvt? How about other schools who might be interested in our coach? Think they won't be bringing that quote up when they come calling? You think the Gov's public slap makes Bubba's job easier?
This topic is more than appropriate for the football forum, even if it makes some uncomfortable that the guy they helped put in office is coming after the school they purport to support.
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--- tarheelD wrote:
Let me help put this thread in its rightful place.........Mccrory is a 1000 percent increase over what we had in office....nothing but tax and spend for to many years is what got us in this place to start with...... Now mods can we talk some football, please?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:30 PM
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Yeah, pal, it doesn't matter which way you voted, the fact is the Gov slandered OUR Athletic Dept to make a political point. You don't think that relates to our football program? You don't think Fedora knows we have a new Governor who has made it clear he will use UNC athletics to make a broader political point, aided by the State contingent in local gvt? How about other schools who might be interested in our coach? Think they won't be bringing that quote up when they come calling? You think the Gov's public slap makes Bubba's job easier?
This topic is more than appropriate for the football forum, even if it makes some uncomfortable that the guy they helped put in office is coming after the school they purport to support.
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--- tarheelD wrote:
Let me help put this thread in its rightful place.........Mccrory is a 1000 percent increase over what we had in office....nothing but tax and spend for to many years is what got us in this place to start with...... Now mods can we talk some football, please?
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Agreed.
This does not make ANY UNC athletic coach's job any easier to have a governor who is openly hostile to the university.
It is despicable that our governor has publicly denigrated the flagship university. How callous and stupid !
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:40 PM
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as long as the governor's name isn't Russell Wilson - UNC will be all right ......
a little accountability for some of the knuckleheads on the faculty might do them some good ......
when all is said and done, more is said than done ........governors come and go ..... tenured professors and bureaucrats are forever .......
never forget The Carolina Way: "To Seem rather than to Be"
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:53 PM
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as long as the governor's name isn't Russell Wilson - UNC will be all right ......
a little accountability for some of the knuckleheads on the faculty might do them some good ......
when all is said and done, more is said than done ........governors come and go ..... tenured professors and bureaucrats are forever .......
never forget The Carolina Way: "To Seem rather than to Be"
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another troll...
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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:23 PM
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if you took all the PhD's in history - political science - English - philosophy ...... and counted the number of people that came in the Receiving end of these PhD programs at UNC and compared that to the number of people who left from Shipping end with an entry-level, tenure-track faculty job at a regular four year college or university --- if you would take 50% as an over-under, I will cash in all my accounts and mortgage the house on that bet ...... say 25% as the number and I'd bet a pretty fair sum on that too ......
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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:55 PM
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Its's relevant on another board is my point.....Just saying
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Ok sure, depending on your ideological persuasions he's "better" on some dimensions. We're discussing his approach to a specific issue which pertains directly to the University, though--an approach which worries a lot of alumni. It's not football, but it's still relevant given the athletics references being tossed in the mix.
Don't ignore these statements just because you agree with McCrory on issues of government spending.
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--- tarheelD wrote:
Let me help put this thread in its rightful place.........Mccrory is a 1000 percent increase over what we had in office....nothing but tax and spend for to many years is what got us in this place to start with...... Now mods can we talk some football, please?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 5:54 PM
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And here too, as it directly relates to our football team...Just saying.
Hiding from it ain't gonna make it go away, uncomfortable as it may be for you and others here to acknowledge that Art Pope/The Gov/ Reps in Raleigh would love nothing more than to see UNC athletics taken down several pegs.
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Its's relevant on another board is my point.....Just saying
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--- kusetsu wrote:
Ok sure, depending on your ideological persuasions he's "better" on some dimensions. We're discussing his approach to a specific issue which pertains directly to the University, though--an approach which worries a lot of alumni. It's not football, but it's still relevant given the athletics references being tossed in the mix.
Don't ignore these statements just because you agree with McCrory on issues of government spending.
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--- tarheelD wrote:
Let me help put this thread in its rightful place.........Mccrory is a 1000 percent increase over what we had in office....nothing but tax and spend for to many years is what got us in this place to start with...... Now mods can we talk some football, please?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:10 PM
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Why do you think Art Pope wants UNC athletics taken down?
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And here too, as it directly relates to our football team...Just saying.
Hiding from it ain't gonna make it go away, uncomfortable as it may be for you and others here to acknowledge that Art Pope/The Gov/ Reps in Raleigh would love nothing more than to see UNC athletics taken down several pegs.
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Its's relevant on another board is my point.....Just saying
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--- kusetsu wrote:
Ok sure, depending on your ideological persuasions he's "better" on some dimensions. We're discussing his approach to a specific issue which pertains directly to the University, though--an approach which worries a lot of alumni. It's not football, but it's still relevant given the athletics references being tossed in the mix.
Don't ignore these statements just because you agree with McCrory on issues of government spending.
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--- tarheelD wrote:
Let me help put this thread in its rightful place.........Mccrory is a 1000 percent increase over what we had in office....nothing but tax and spend for to many years is what got us in this place to start with...... Now mods can we talk some football, please?
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:22 AM
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But I'm sure all the grads from dook are much better off because they control Wall Street and contribute to the dook endowment while UNC grads are working in health, social services, AND state government??????
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:13 AM
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Let's see how French History plays here as a "worthy" major.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:41 PM
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Let's see how French History plays here as a "worthy" major.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:17 PM
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Let's see how French History plays here as a "worthy" major.
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