Something is up....

www.statesman.com/news/sports/...er-leagu/nT7Bt/

Now this might even make sense. Nice to see some adults are invovled....

www.statesman.com/news/sports/...er-leagu/nT7Bt/

Very interesting alternative to expansion.

I don't understand how this is supposed to work or how you could expect schools like Texas to sign onto it. Texas would be barely willing to split revenue with Clemson, but now the conferences expect to negotiate t.v. deals together and split the revenue between every school from Texas to Boston College to Oregon State?

They haven't bothered to check with you huh? :)

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--- Carolina2009 wrote:

I don't understand how this is supposed to work or how you could expect schools like Texas to sign onto it. Texas would be barely willing to split revenue with Clemson, but now the conferences expect to negotiate t.v. deals together and split the revenue between every school from Texas to Boston College to Oregon State?

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Reminds me of the cost-reduction budget that Congress has promised that it will pass in the next three months except they didn't include the caca about not getting paid.

i dont know about the married dudes in here...but us single and divorced dudes...we enjoy friends with benefits!

But you understand why Texas is willing to split revenue with Iowa State and Kansas? Yea, that makes total sense. The ACC and PAC12 have several of the largest media centers in the US. You don't think that would interest Texas? With a struggling Longhorn Network?

Word scotland.

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--- beheel02 wrote:

Very interesting alternative to expansion.

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Do you guys really want to keep carrying the Wakes and the BCs and the Dukes and the Cuses? Without the ACC, those schools would be the same as Emory, Holy Cross, Colgate and Oral Roberts.

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--- beheel02 wrote:

Very interesting alternative to expansion.

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or the Marylands and Rutgers ---bleeech

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--- Boilerbuilder wrote:

Do you guys really want to keep carrying the Wakes and the BCs and the Dukes and the Cuses? Without the ACC, those schools would be the same as Emory, Holy Cross, Colgate and Oral Roberts.

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--- beheel02 wrote:

Very interesting alternative to expansion.

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Duke's revenue in basketball justifies their existence. Syracuse can actually be decent in both football and basketball. They did just win a bowl game and finished tied for 1st in the BE.

A Perdue fan with the gonads to lecture us on carrying a member? Dear Lord kid, the next time you pass a pharamacy stop and ask for a few dozen doses of Reality the Wonder Drug.

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--- yallreadyforthis wrote:

Duke's revenue in basketball justifies their existence. Syracuse can actually be decent in both football and basketball. They did just win a bowl game and finished tied for 1st in the BE.

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PASS.

What happened to the B12 poaching ACC teams? Uh, they can't. The ACC doesn't need this with ND, and the present footprint. The ACC is in great shape despite what some on this board seem to think, and if Swofford does it right the league can have its own money-making network.

I wouldn't be so quick to pronounce this as evidence that expansion is dead. This kind of story provides a cover for the BIG12 to discuss realignment to potential members under the umbrella of a scheduling agreement. Torturous interference needs to be avoided at all costs. The BIG12 is having a meeting next Tuesday and expansion is on the agenda. Let's wait to see what the BIG12 says after that meeting before drawing any conclusions.

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--- Soulbrothernumber1 wrote:

PASS.

What happened to the B12 poaching ACC teams? Uh, they can't. The ACC doesn't need this with ND, and the present footprint. The ACC is in great shape despite what some on this board seem to think, and if Swofford does it right the league can have its own money-making network.

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^If you're talking about ACC teams leaving for the B12 then expansion is certainly DEAD as far as that's concerned. It's not happening. The B12 may expand but it won't be with anyone from the ACC.

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--- scotlandheel wrote:

i dont know about the married dudes in here...but us single and divorced dudes...we enjoy friends with benefits!

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That was an interesting quote from Bowlsby.

Go to 16, with or without Notre Dame, and give the finger to the world.

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--- scotlandheel wrote:

i dont know about the married dudes in here...but us single and divorced dudes...we enjoy friends with benefits!

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That was an interesting quote from Bowlsby.

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Say it so Rev... We have to burn the city.....

It seems like everyone wants to steal or be part of the ACC. I wonder why?

The B12 makes million$ every year off the sale of vitamins. We need a piece of the pie.

This helps the Big 12 more than the ACC. The Big 12 is trying to avoid getting poached by the Pac 12 and this is what they are reduced to, short of inviting Cinci and some CUSA teams.

“You can begin to get some advantages without taking on any of the disadvantages (of expansion). It’s one option that allows benefits. It’s kind of like friends with benefits.”

So basically, he wants to **** the ACC?

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--- AlreadyHome wrote:

It seems like everyone wants to steal or be part of the ACC. I wonder why?

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For the same reason the ACC has been stealing Big East teams all these years, there are quality universities that would improve the conference they join.

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--- beheel02 wrote:

Very interesting alternative to expansion.

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Do you guys really want to keep carrying the Wakes and the BCs and the Dukes and the Cuses? Without the ACC, those schools would be the same as Emory, Holy Cross, Colgate and Oral Roberts.

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Sort of like the way Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and, Indiana carry the likes of Purdue, Northwestern, and Iowa?

Hello, my name is soulbrother and I am never right about anything relating to UNC football ( and quite frankly, I hate football and look down on its fans... ), but you can take this to the bank...

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--- Soulbrothernumber1 wrote:

^If you're talking about ACC teams leaving for the B12 then expansion is certainly DEAD as far as that's concerned. It's not happening. The B12 may expand but it won't be with anyone from the ACC.

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Unless they are talking about leaving the NCAA and start a sports group outside the NCAA this is just a PR statement or a shot across the NCAA's bow.

Did the Big 12 commissioner just use the term "friends with benefits?"

One could say the same about the BE a few years back

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--- AlreadyHome wrote:

It seems like everyone wants to steal or be part of the ACC. I wonder why?

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

Did the Big 12 commissioner just use the term "friends with benefits?"

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Indeed. Did he refer to future additions as hookups?

Curious...anyone, i say anyone hear anything from the ACC on this; on anything. It seems that Mr. Swofford has gone underground...is he hiding. Have not heard a peep for over a month. Help me if you can, what is our C thinking?

Do you expect press releases everytime the Conference has a meeting to explore issues? Don't wait for that to begin happening.


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--- moneymangls wrote:

Curious...anyone, i say anyone hear anything from the ACC on this; on anything. It seems that Mr. Swofford has gone underground...is he hiding. Have not heard a peep for over a month. Help me if you can, what is our C thinking?

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The ACC is the one that needs to explain the advantages of a shared network to the PAC-12.

Piggy back on what the PAC-12 already has in place, more than double the available content, extend prime time by 3 hours, offer the East coast markets, schedule occasional marque match-ups (UCLA-UNC, Stanford-Duke, USC-Notre Dame, etc), and finally dump the ACC-Big10 challenge for an ACC/PAC-12 challenge.

The positives clearly out weigh the negatives and it makes sense on soooooo many levels it will clearly NEVER happen.

I wouldn't say never.

Larry Scott of the Pac 12 mentioned that they have had no progress with DirecTV. "They seem to be locked in for awhile,decided not to carry the network."

Might as well tear up those projections.

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--- tdfon wrote:

The ACC is the one that needs to explain the advantages of a shared network to the PAC-12.

Piggy back on what the PAC-12 already has in place, more than double the available content, extend prime time by 3 hours, offer the East coast markets, schedule occasional marque match-ups (UCLA-UNC, Stanford-Duke, USC-Notre Dame, etc), and finally dump the ACC-Big10 challenge for an ACC/PAC-12 challenge.

The positives clearly out weigh the negatives and it makes sense on soooooo many levels it will clearly NEVER happen.

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I wanted to add a link that I saw about a week ago and couldn't share previously since I had to go throught the waiting period for forum applicants. It is from a UGA Blog (leatherhelmetblog.com), so I do realize it offers things from an SEC point of view, but what I found most intresting about the article was in the comments section. The idea may or may not be true, but the concept to me is facinating, especially if it helps to preserve the ACC as is.
Here is what was written by:

JRsec

In light of the growing product war between FOX and ESPN there was some discussion last week that the SEC/ACC may be looking at such an alliance for the establishment of the Network since both conferences would be using ESPN to try to establish one. I found a great deal of merit in the idea if the details could be worked out between the two conferences. Essentially we and they would share the entire footprint of the two conferences for media distribution purposes. The SEC is the sought after football product, but in the Winter the ACC basketball would likely carry the most viewers. The two together compliment each other well. Distribution for the SEC into Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, New York, Virginia and North Carolina without having to pay their teams an SEC Tier 1 & 2 wage to gain those markets via realignment makes sense. The cable income would provide the ACC some stability.

If the ACC is hearing out Bowlsby it is because FOX is trying to sew up ESPN's product through such an arrangement. I don't know how that could happen outside of dissolution of the ACC and a wholesale merger of the two since ESPN owns those tier 3 rights in the ACC. The other part of the talks is supposedly centered around scheduling key games between ACC teams and Big 12 teams in an effort to boost their strength of schedule versus the SEC. I'm not sure I buy that angle either.

It has been my opinion for a week now that Realignment might well be over as we know it because of the product war being waged by these two networks. I think this conference is a reactionary meeting because of the leak of the idea of a ACC/SEC combined network. I first read about it on Techsideline a Va Tech site, and then found the source of their conversation in a Clemson A.D. release.

Should the SEC and ACC do something like this it will stop Big 10 expansion South. I'm for that. It will give the SEC markets without having to take certain teams to get them. I'm for that. It will refocus the Big 10 and SEC attention on expansion targets from the Big 12. That's okay by me as well.

Fox and ESPN share the Big 12 and the PAC 12 rights. Fox is pressing for more obligation out of both of those leagues for their two new channels. The Big 10 relationship with ESPN has cooled, and will likely get colder in 2016 when FOX through the YES network will increase BTNetwork distribution in New York. Fox is now 49% owner of the Big 10 network and will likely get the bid for Tier 1 & 2 from the Big 10 in 2016. FOX is pushing for the Catholic 7 basketball rights. ESPN is feeling the heat. They'll likely be even more ticked after this ploy by Bowlsby if it is FOX inspired. Since ESPN owns the LHN for Texas and thereby the tier 3 rights for the Horns, I expect to see them use that leverage to move their Big 12 product to more ESPN friendly climbs (SEC & ACC).

E.C. the potential is there for the SEC to pick up 2 to 4 new markets from the West and the shared ones of the ACC if such a move takes place. We need only to take 4 Big 12 schools, or even just two if the ACC takes a few as well, and we would suddenly have carriage in over 20 states.

That prospect has FOX outbidding ESPN for product right now and what the ACC representatives will hear next week from the Big 12 will likely be a sales pitch.

The other prospect is that movement is about to happen in the ACC and Big 12 and the PAC is trying to organize a 20 plus team conference out of the remnants. We'll see. Gee at Ohio State referred today to a possible 20 team Big 10 including additions from the East and South along the Atlantic and from the Mid-West. That would be from among (Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa State). Maybe by this time next week we will all have a clearer picture of what is about to happen, but it feels pretty much like the end game to me.

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I wouldn't say never.

Larry Scott of the Pac 12 mentioned that they have had no progress with DirecTV. "They seem to be locked in for awhile,decided not to carry the network."

Might as well tear up those projections.

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Which means any ACC-Pac 12 talk gets sheleved, probably permanently.