Don't see many trolls on the UVA scout board. They pretty much have a zero tolerance policy over there. Isn't that right WinchesterBuck?

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

The rustbelt trolls are out of their minds if they think MD will get to remove the exit fee case from the jurisdiction with which they have been fine for 50 years. Their "president" proposed the multiplier to start with, it just got away from him.

The rustbelt biz-plan is based on 10 year old technology. When a realist sees the problems the rustbelt is having with MD and NJ cable providers now(they are rejecting the rustbelt tax) what will happen when ala carte cable is the norm in 10 years? WABOFI! The rustbelt has a poor primary product which will only get worse as demographic and economic trends doom it to the waste bin.

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The Big Ten will be bankrupt if they are depending on the B1G Network to pay the bills as A La Cart TV is coming and the Internet companies like Aereo TV (aka Aero) will give people the choice to pay only $8 a month for Internet TV that includes a DVR.

Check this one out from the National Association of Television Program Executives (NATPE) convention in Miami.


Watching TV on web is disrupting cable, broadcast worlds

5,000 or so others gather Monday for the National Association of Television Program Executives (NATPE) convention at the Fontainebleau Hotel on Miami Beach,

( This is just one of the cable attacks from Internet) Attacking cable from a different direction, Aero TV uses tiny but powerful antennas to capture broadcast signals from the air, records them, then reroutes them into a viewer’s computer or OTT player to be watched whenever he wants. Because Aero pays nothing to the broadcasters (a practice being challenged in court) it can offer its service for as little as $8 a month. Last year’s start-up in New York City was so successful that Aero is expanding to 22 more cities — including Miami — this year.

Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/26...disrupting.html

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--- unc4life wrote:

Don't see many trolls on the UVA scout board. They pretty much have a zero tolerance policy over there. Isn't that right WinchesterBuck?

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FSU board Mods deleted every Conferences Realignment thread today to get rid of the B12 and B10 trolls.

UVa might go to the Big-10, no real idea, they have bounced back and forth between Stay-SEC-Big10... But they will regret going to the Big10 if they do go.

UNC, on the other hand, will be set if UVa screws themselves.

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--- unc4life wrote:

Don't see many trolls on the UVA scout board. They pretty much have a zero tolerance policy over there. Isn't that right WinchesterBuck?

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FSU board Mods deleted every Conferences Realignment thread today to get rid of the B12 and B10 trolls.

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Not for the first time either.

The mods should kill it on this board!!

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

The rustbelt trolls are out of their minds if they think MD will get to remove the exit fee case from the jurisdiction with which they have been fine for 50 years. Their "president" proposed the multiplier to start with, it just got away from him.

The rustbelt biz-plan is based on 10 year old technology. When a realist sees the problems the rustbelt is having with MD and NJ cable providers now(they are rejecting the rustbelt tax) what will happen when ala carte cable is the norm in 10 years? WABOFI! The rustbelt has a poor primary product which will only get worse as demographic and economic trends doom it to the waste bin.

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The Big Ten will be bankrupt if they are depending on the B1G Network to pay the bills as A La Cart TV is coming and the Internet companies like Aereo TV (aka Aero) will give people the choice to pay only $8 a month for Internet TV that includes a DVR.

Check this one out from the National Association of Television Program Executives (NATPE) convention in Miami.


Watching TV on web is disrupting cable, broadcast worlds

5,000 or so others gather Monday for the National Association of Television Program Executives (NATPE) convention at the Fontainebleau Hotel on Miami Beach,

( This is just one of the cable attacks from Internet) Attacking cable from a different direction, Aero TV uses tiny but powerful antennas to capture broadcast signals from the air, records them, then reroutes them into a viewer’s computer or OTT player to be watched whenever he wants. Because Aero pays nothing to the broadcasters (a practice being challenged in court) it can offer its service for as little as $8 a month. Last year’s start-up in New York City was so successful that Aero is expanding to 22 more cities — including Miami — this year.

Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/26...disrupting.html

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I don't know if a la carte is the way the industry will go and, as a Big Ten fan, if it does I'm not that worried about it as I expect while there will be some lost revenue it won't be huge. The idea of broadcasters intercepting the signals and showing content on the internet would seem to be a concern for all conferences but I can't imagine that would be allowed to stand. The direction the TV industry will take is certainly something conference commissioners need to monitor and be proactive about as it could have a major impact on their revenue streams but this shouldn't be a secret to them so I assume they are doing just that. Will some monetize better than others? Undoubtedly so but I expect the customer demand will still largely drive revenue.

I would be shocked if Virginia makes any move in the near future and I don't doubt UNC will be fine regardless although I wonder what you mean by UNC "will be set."

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

UVa might go to the Big-10, no real idea, they have bounced back and forth between Stay-SEC-Big10... But they will regret going to the Big10 if they do go.

UNC, on the other hand, will be set if UVa screws themselves.

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--- concordheel wrote:

The mods should kill it on this board!!

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That's certainly their prerogative.

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--- concordheel wrote:

The mods should kill it on this board!!

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That's certainly their prerogative.

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The Mods on this board have done absolutely nothing to protect Carolina's best interests nor the interests of Carolina posters. I have been swamped with the insane rantings of rustbelt supporters via PM. I brought this out in a thread that was locked after I posted about 5 of the crazy PMs. The Mod said please use the ignore feature. How in the world could I put a poster on ignore if I did not know they existed prior to their PM?

I love IC but it has gone all Holden Thorp on us where the rustbelt attacks on Carolina Alumni, the ACC and our preference for the SEC are concerned. I could not disagree more strongly with their refusal to prohibit flaming by rustbelt trolls.

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--- unc4life wrote:

Don't see many trolls on the UVA scout board. They pretty much have a zero tolerance policy over there. Isn't that right WinchesterBuck?

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I have discussions on the UVA board. No problems at all.

This thread is about expansion. No one is being degrading or disrespectful. The only classless posts are actually coming from UNC posters. I've never put any school down.

This is a message board with a thread about expansion. Why different rumors shock people and get them all upset to revert to name calling is hard to understand.

You post garbage that is clearly untrue and should be construed as attacks on Carolina, the ACC, our desire for joining a conference clearly superior to the rustbelt and which fosters attacks on Tar Heels via PM.

Outside of a myopic hobbit-style group of your natives who are left behind no one on the planet is buying your ridiculous fantasy business plan. It is based upon technology that was controlling 15 years ago but will be obsolete within 5 years. Your region is equivalent economically to Mississippi 60 years ago and we want no part of it. Carolina wants to be part of the future of America not a past that does not exist today. JUST LEAVE!

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--- unc4life wrote:

Don't see many trolls on the UVA scout board. They pretty much have a zero tolerance policy over there. Isn't that right WinchesterBuck?

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I have discussions on the UVA board. No problems at all.

This thread is about expansion. No one is being degrading or disrespectful. The only classless posts are actually coming from UNC posters. I've never put any school down.

This is a message board with a thread about expansion. Why different rumors shock people and get them all upset to revert to name calling is hard to understand.

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You are insane...saying unc would or should go to the b10 is an insult to unc? You are delusional and would get along with a small but stupid portionof the psu fanbase
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--- expatriateheel wrote:

You post garbage that is clearly untrue and should be construed as attacks on Carolina, the ACC, our desire for joining a conference clearly superior to the rustbelt and which fosters attacks on Tar Heels via PM.

Outside of a myopic hobbit-style group of your natives who are left behind no one on the planet is buying your ridiculous fantasy business plan. It is based upon technology that was controlling 15 years ago but will be obsolete within 5 years. Your region is equivalent economically to Mississippi 60 years ago and we want no part of it. Carolina wants to be part of the future of America not a past that does not exist today. JUST LEAVE!

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--- unc4life wrote:

Don't see many trolls on the UVA scout board. They pretty much have a zero tolerance policy over there. Isn't that right WinchesterBuck?

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I have discussions on the UVA board. No problems at all.

This thread is about expansion. No one is being degrading or disrespectful. The only classless posts are actually coming from UNC posters. I've never put any school down.

This is a message board with a thread about expansion. Why different rumors shock people and get them all upset to revert to name calling is hard to understand.

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You have the IQ of a squirrel. The rustbelt is a declining conference academically and a cadaver athletically. The economics of the rustbelt are there for everyone to see. You won the battle but we won the war.

The economy of the Southeast will enable the important schools in the SEC to surpass everyone in the rustbelt but NorthWestern and Michigan academically.With the addition of UVA and UNC the SEC will clearly be the superior academic conference within 25 years.

Carolina and Virginia are known for our academics and the scholars clearly see the difference between the futures of the respective conferences. Yours is doomed because of demographics and an idiotic business plan based upon extortion. Couple an obviously inferior product with an archaic business plan the future is clear to all but the last hold outs at Stalingrad.

You brought this on yourselves.The rustbelt made a desperate bet that antagonized the college football world. You will reap what you sowed.

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--- buckeye4573 wrote:


You are insane...saying unc would or should go to the b10 is an insult to unc? You are delusional and would get along with a small but stupid portionof the psu fanbase
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--- expatriateheel wrote:

You post garbage that is clearly untrue and should be construed as attacks on Carolina, the ACC, our desire for joining a conference clearly superior to the rustbelt and which fosters attacks on Tar Heels via PM.

Outside of a myopic hobbit-style group of your natives who are left behind no one on the planet is buying your ridiculous fantasy business plan. It is based upon technology that was controlling 15 years ago but will be obsolete within 5 years. Your region is equivalent economically to Mississippi 60 years ago and we want no part of it. Carolina wants to be part of the future of America not a past that does not exist today. JUST LEAVE!

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:



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--- unc4life wrote:

Don't see many trolls on the UVA scout board. They pretty much have a zero tolerance policy over there. Isn't that right WinchesterBuck?

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I have discussions on the UVA board. No problems at all.

This thread is about expansion. No one is being degrading or disrespectful. The only classless posts are actually coming from UNC posters. I've never put any school down.

This is a message board with a thread about expansion. Why different rumors shock people and get them all upset to revert to name calling is hard to understand.

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Now Ex, an argument is one thing but insulting squirrels with that comparison is beyond fair play. :)

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

You have the IQ of a squirrel. The rustbelt is a declining conference academically and a cadaver athletically. The economics of the rustbelt are there for everyone to see. You won the battle but we won the war.

The economy of the Southeast will enable the important schools in the SEC to surpass everyone in the rustbelt but NorthWestern and Michigan academically.With the addition of UVA and UNC the SEC will clearly be the superior academic conference within 25 years.

Carolina and Virginia are known for our academics and the scholars clearly see the difference between the futures of the respective conferences. Yours is doomed because of demographics and an idiotic business plan based upon extortion. Couple an obviously inferior product with an archaic business plan the future is clear to all but the last hold outs at Stalingrad.

You brought this on yourselves.The rustbelt made a desperate bet that antagonized the college football world. You will reap what you sowed.

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--- buckeye4573 wrote:


You are insane...saying unc would or should go to the b10 is an insult to unc? You are delusional and would get along with a small but stupid portionof the psu fanbase
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--- expatriateheel wrote:

You post garbage that is clearly untrue and should be construed as attacks on Carolina, the ACC, our desire for joining a conference clearly superior to the rustbelt and which fosters attacks on Tar Heels via PM.

Outside of a myopic hobbit-style group of your natives who are left behind no one on the planet is buying your ridiculous fantasy business plan. It is based upon technology that was controlling 15 years ago but will be obsolete within 5 years. Your region is equivalent economically to Mississippi 60 years ago and we want no part of it. Carolina wants to be part of the future of America not a past that does not exist today. JUST LEAVE!

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:



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--- unc4life wrote:

Don't see many trolls on the UVA scout board. They pretty much have a zero tolerance policy over there. Isn't that right WinchesterBuck?

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I have discussions on the UVA board. No problems at all.

This thread is about expansion. No one is being degrading or disrespectful. The only classless posts are actually coming from UNC posters. I've never put any school down.

This is a message board with a thread about expansion. Why different rumors shock people and get them all upset to revert to name calling is hard to understand.

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In a de facto sense, labor unions have killed the B1G, expatriate.

...and you just proved my point again with your last two posts with the name calling. Classy.
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--- expatriateheel wrote:

You have the IQ of a squirrel. The rustbelt is a declining conference academically and a cadaver athletically. The economics of the rustbelt are there for everyone to see. You won the battle but we won the war.

The economy of the Southeast will enable the important schools in the SEC to surpass everyone in the rustbelt but NorthWestern and Michigan academically.With the addition of UVA and UNC the SEC will clearly be the superior academic conference within 25 years.

Carolina and Virginia are known for our academics and the scholars clearly see the difference between the futures of the respective conferences. Yours is doomed because of demographics and an idiotic business plan based upon extortion. Couple an obviously inferior product with an archaic business plan the future is clear to all but the last hold outs at Stalingrad.

You brought this on yourselves.The rustbelt made a desperate bet that antagonized the college football world. You will reap what you sowed.

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--- buckeye4573 wrote:


You are insane...saying unc would or should go to the b10 is an insult to unc? You are delusional and would get along with a small but stupid portionof the psu fanbase
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--- expatriateheel wrote:

You post garbage that is clearly untrue and should be construed as attacks on Carolina, the ACC, our desire for joining a conference clearly superior to the rustbelt and which fosters attacks on Tar Heels via PM.

Outside of a myopic hobbit-style group of your natives who are left behind no one on the planet is buying your ridiculous fantasy business plan. It is based upon technology that was controlling 15 years ago but will be obsolete within 5 years. Your region is equivalent economically to Mississippi 60 years ago and we want no part of it. Carolina wants to be part of the future of America not a past that does not exist today. JUST LEAVE!

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:



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--- unc4life wrote:

Don't see many trolls on the UVA scout board. They pretty much have a zero tolerance policy over there. Isn't that right WinchesterBuck?

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I have discussions on the UVA board. No problems at all.

This thread is about expansion. No one is being degrading or disrespectful. The only classless posts are actually coming from UNC posters. I've never put any school down.

This is a message board with a thread about expansion. Why different rumors shock people and get them all upset to revert to name calling is hard to understand.

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You are right, unions have killed the rust belt (NE Ohio and into Michigan). No new companies want to set up shop there due to having to deal with the unions.

I find rust belt comical. He has never been to Columbus or Cincy obviously. Those are two big white collar cities.

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

You have the IQ of a squirrel. The rustbelt is a declining conference academically and a cadaver athletically. The economics of the rustbelt are there for everyone to see. You won the battle but we won the war.

The economy of the Southeast will enable the important schools in the SEC to surpass everyone in the rustbelt but NorthWestern and Michigan academically.With the addition of UVA and UNC the SEC will clearly be the superior academic conference within 25 years.

Carolina and Virginia are known for our academics and the scholars clearly see the difference between the futures of the respective conferences. Yours is doomed because of demographics and an idiotic business plan based upon extortion. Couple an obviously inferior product with an archaic business plan the future is clear to all but the last hold outs at Stalingrad.

You brought this on yourselves.The rustbelt made a desperate bet that antagonized the college football world. You will reap what you sowed.

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--- buckeye4573 wrote:


You are insane...saying unc would or should go to the b10 is an insult to unc? You are delusional and would get along with a small but stupid portionof the psu fanbase
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--- expatriateheel wrote:

You post garbage that is clearly untrue and should be construed as attacks on Carolina, the ACC, our desire for joining a conference clearly superior to the rustbelt and which fosters attacks on Tar Heels via PM.

Outside of a myopic hobbit-style group of your natives who are left behind no one on the planet is buying your ridiculous fantasy business plan. It is based upon technology that was controlling 15 years ago but will be obsolete within 5 years. Your region is equivalent economically to Mississippi 60 years ago and we want no part of it. Carolina wants to be part of the future of America not a past that does not exist today. JUST LEAVE!

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--- unc4life wrote:

Don't see many trolls on the UVA scout board. They pretty much have a zero tolerance policy over there. Isn't that right WinchesterBuck?

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I have discussions on the UVA board. No problems at all.

This thread is about expansion. No one is being degrading or disrespectful. The only classless posts are actually coming from UNC posters. I've never put any school down.

This is a message board with a thread about expansion. Why different rumors shock people and get them all upset to revert to name calling is hard to understand.

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In a de facto sense, labor unions have killed the B1G, expatriate.

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Removed. Warning.

Just want to post to be able to tell my grandkids (when I have them) that I was on this thread.

Epic.

We may ultimately end up in the B1G, but I sure don't wish that to happen. You have to believe that if greed was the primary driver for UNC's decisions in terms of conference association that we would have done things a lot differently in the past. My concern now is fear more than greed. I don't think UNC is in a position where it needs to make a money-grab like Maryland did. UVa is not in that kind of position eitehr. Neither school has done this in the past and neither have operated with the kind of athletic budgets that some of these huge Big Ten schools have had. I could see fear dominating the decision process for UVa especially with neighbor Maryland making this move, but there are definite reasons (and calculated risks) that the Terps are being forced to make to remain competitive. And that extra revenue that Maryland needs really had very little chance of coming to fruition if they stayed in the ACC. They need the exit fee to be voided or they need the Big Ten to come in and help. They also need to make money like many prognosticators are predicting. If neither happen (and there IS a nonzero chance that neither will happen), Maryland is screwed anyhow. They will just be delaying (or maybe quickening?) the inevitable.

All I can say is it's rare to see someone as bitter about anything as expatriateheel is here. I guess if he thinks he types "rustbelt" alot it will all become true and cities like Chicago, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Columbus, Milwaukee, and Omaha will all become like Detroit. Too funny.

I would disagree with your assessment that any school choosing the Big Ten is driven by greed.

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We may ultimately end up in the B1G, but I sure don't wish that to happen. You have to believe that if greed was the primary driver for UNC's decisions in terms of conference association that we would have done things a lot differently in the past. My concern now is fear more than greed. I don't think UNC is in a position where it needs to make a money-grab like Maryland did. UVa is not in that kind of position eitehr. Neither school has done this in the past and neither have operated with the kind of athletic budgets that some of these huge Big Ten schools have had. I could see fear dominating the decision process for UVa especially with neighbor Maryland making this move, but there are definite reasons (and calculated risks) that the Terps are being forced to make to remain competitive. And that extra revenue that Maryland needs really had very little chance of coming to fruition if they stayed in the ACC. They need the exit fee to be voided or they need the Big Ten to come in and help. They also need to make money like many prognosticators are predicting. If neither happen (and there IS a nonzero chance that neither will happen), Maryland is screwed anyhow. They will just be delaying (or maybe quickening?) the inevitable.

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--- 18SBC wrote:

All I can say is it's rare to see someone as bitter about anything as expatriateheel is here. I guess if he thinks he types "rustbelt" alot it will all become true and cities like Chicago, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Columbus, Milwaukee, and Omaha will all become like Detroit. Too funny.

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I am not bitter, I am mad and sick of posters comong on our board posting complete BS with impunity. If there was any merit to the argument that the midwest is a better fit for Carolina than the SouthEast why is the SouthEast being over run with rustbelt graduates. Why do so very few graduates from the ACC and SEC move to the midwest?

It is quite clear to anyone with any awareness of technology that cable and internet TV are going toward ala carte programing yet rustbelt disciples come on here claiming that their business model will be the exception. They claim a path to Midas style riches when there is little to no chance of that result. They claim that they know more about the inner workings of UVA, UNC, ESPN, GT, FSU, the ACC and the SEC than people who actually work with/at and deal with those institutions. Somehow you morons have access to information that only the top brass would have. You claim you got this knowledge directly from people who would be fired if it was true and they allowed you to release it.

Why is not one single connected source in the ACC, the SEC, UVA, UNC, FSU, ESPN, GT and the politicians saying anything remotely like what you spout? Nostradamus has nothing on you guys. Keep posting your idiotic quatrains and we will keep pointing out the stupidity of your prognostications.

You guys are not wanted here by Carolina Alumni/Fans and that feeling is pretty much universal.

If there was any merit to the argument that the midwest is a better fit for Carolina than the SouthEast why is the SouthEast being over run with rustbelt graduates. Why do so very few graduates from the ACC and SEC move to the midwest?

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

It is quite clear to anyone with any awareness of technology that cable and internet TV are going toward ala carte programing yet rustbelt disciples come on here claiming that their business model will be the exception. They claim a path to Midas style riches when there is little to no chance of that result. They claim that they know more about the inner workings of UVA, UNC, ESPN, GT, FSU, the ACC and the SEC than people who actually work with/at and deal with those institutions. Somehow you morons have access to information that only the top brass would have. You claim you got this knowledge directly from people who would be fired if it was true and they allowed you to release it.

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I would disagree with the assumption that TV is moving to a la carte in the near future if ever, I definitely think there will be changes to the models available but what they will be I don't think anyone can say with certainty. I also think that a la carte won't necessarily mean the end of the Big Ten Network as a profitable venture, sure it might hurt the revenues but if it did other conferences would likely be adversely impacted as well.

Regarding inside information, I have none. I do have contacts but to date they've never given me a piece of valuable information in conference realignment and I don't anticipate that will change so I can assure you I will never tell you what will happen based on supposed inside information, I'm just doing my best to read the tea leaves and guessing like most everyone else based on logic as I see it.

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--- expatriateheel wrote:


I am not bitter, I am mad and sick of posters comong on our board posting complete BS with impunity. If there was any merit to the argument that the midwest is a better fit for Carolina than the SouthEast why is the SouthEast being over run with rustbelt graduates. Why do so very few graduates from the ACC and SEC move to the midwest?

It is quite clear to anyone with any awareness of technology that cable and internet TV are going toward ala carte programing yet rustbelt disciples come on here claiming that their business model will be the exception. They claim a path to Midas style riches when there is little to no chance of that result. They claim that they know more about the inner workings of UVA, UNC, ESPN, GT, FSU, the ACC and the SEC than people who actually work with/at and deal with those institutions. Somehow you morons have access to information that only the top brass would have. You claim you got this knowledge directly from people who would be fired if it was true and they allowed you to release it.

Why is not one single connected source in the ACC, the SEC, UVA, UNC, FSU, ESPN, GT and the politicians saying anything remotely like what you spout? Nostradamus has nothing on you guys. Keep posting your idiotic quatrains and we will keep pointing out the stupidity of your prognostications.

You guys are not wanted here by Carolina Alumni/Fans and that feeling is pretty much universal.

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Bitter or mad. Call it what you want. Still funny.

I, for one, don't care whether you go to the B1G or SEC. It's just apparent to me that the ACC is done so I'm visiting this board, along with several others, to read what people think is going on with their school. If you want to go to the SEC, good for you. Hope you get your wish. I really don't want anyone in the B1G that doesn't want to be there. Aside from a very minor portion of Penn State fans, everyone else seems to appreciate it including Nebraska. Rutgers fans are thrilled to be coming.

As for why people move to the South and not the Midwest, it's called the weather. It doesn't mean that there are no good jobs in the Midwest. There are plenty, especially for those with a good education, and that's probably not going to change no matter how many times you can say "rustbelt" in your posts. I know many people who moved South to enjoy warmer weather year around but there are millions like me that love the Midwest, the seasons, and even the winter.

Finally, I don't know what this ala carte argument has to do with anything. It's not even a new idea. I've been hearing about this possibility since the turn of the century. If/when it does happen, you'll still have to pay for the channels you do get and, unless you think the networks are all going to take a huge loss on this, you will probably end up paying much more for the channels you do subscribe to because you'll no longer be getting them at a bundled price. Even if you were right about this, and I don't think you are, the outcome would hurt tv revenues for all conferences, not just the Big Ten. ESPN is pretty much on every tv package you'll find but how many people do you think would drop ESPN in an ala carte format? It would be alot because the world isn't nearly as sports-focused as what you find on a sports message board. And if ESPN thought this were a possibility, do you think they'd still be signing these increasingly lucrative long-term deals for programming?

Anyway, you'll believe what you want to believe and hate who you want to hate. No big deal with me. I get a good laugh out of your posts. Best wishes.

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--- expatriateheel wrote:


I am not bitter, I am mad and sick of posters comong on our board posting complete BS with impunity. If there was any merit to the argument that the midwest is a better fit for Carolina than the SouthEast why is the SouthEast being over run with rustbelt graduates. Why do so very few graduates from the ACC and SEC move to the midwest?

It is quite clear to anyone with any awareness of technology that cable and internet TV are going toward ala carte programing yet rustbelt disciples come on here claiming that their business model will be the exception. They claim a path to Midas style riches when there is little to no chance of that result. They claim that they know more about the inner workings of UVA, UNC, ESPN, GT, FSU, the ACC and the SEC than people who actually work with/at and deal with those institutions. Somehow you morons have access to information that only the top brass would have. You claim you got this knowledge directly from people who would be fired if it was true and they allowed you to release it.

Why is not one single connected source in the ACC, the SEC, UVA, UNC, FSU, ESPN, GT and the politicians saying anything remotely like what you spout? Nostradamus has nothing on you guys. Keep posting your idiotic quatrains and we will keep pointing out the stupidity of your prognostications.

You guys are not wanted here by Carolina Alumni/Fans and that feeling is pretty much universal.

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Bitter or mad. Call it what you want. Still funny.

I, for one, don't care whether you go to the B1G or SEC. It's just apparent to me that the ACC is done so I'm visiting this board, along with several others, to read what people think is going on with their school. If you want to go to the SEC, good for you. Hope you get your wish. I really don't want anyone in the B1G that doesn't want to be there. Aside from a very minor portion of Penn State fans, everyone else seems to appreciate it including Nebraska. Rutgers fans are thrilled to be coming.

As for why people move to the South and not the Midwest, it's called the weather. It doesn't mean that there are no good jobs in the Midwest. There are plenty, especially for those with a good education, and that's probably not going to change no matter how many times you can say "rustbelt" in your posts. I know many people who moved South to enjoy warmer weather year around but there are millions like me that love the Midwest, the seasons, and even the winter.

Finally, I don't know what this ala carte argument has to do with anything. It's not even a new idea. I've been hearing about this possibility since the turn of the century. If/when it does happen, you'll still have to pay for the channels you do get and, unless you think the networks are all going to take a huge loss on this, you will probably end up paying much more for the channels you do subscribe to because you'll no longer be getting them at a bundled price. Even if you were right about this, and I don't think you are, the outcome would hurt tv revenues for all conferences, not just the Big Ten. ESPN is pretty much on every tv package you'll find but how many people do you think would drop ESPN in an ala carte format? It would be alot because the world isn't nearly as sports-focused as what you find on a sports message board. And if ESPN thought this were a possibility, do you think they'd still be signing these increasingly lucrative long-term deals for programming?

Anyway, you'll believe what you want to believe and hate who you want to hate. No big deal with me. I get a good laugh out of your posts. Best wishes.

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Why do you believe the ACC is done? Just because some desperate fans and bloggers have spread the narrative that that conference is in danger doesn't make it so. The schools both the Big Ten and SEC seem intent on targeting don't seem interested and the Big 12 doesn't look to be an enticing enough destination to draw their targets either so don't be surprised if no changes occur in the immediate future.

Rutgers fans are pleased to be coming because it's an obvious upgrade.

Don't think you can say that about a UNC.

FWIW, I didn't say that the choice is solely driven by greed, but you'd be a fool if you didn't think it was part of the decision. That being said, from Maryland's stanpoint, it absolutely was a money-grab decision (and one that I might add, will NOT result in more money in the short-term, and at best, will only result in additional revenue after several years of membership).

All of this realignment is driven by fear and/or greed and I'd challenge you to find an example of a move that wasn't about one of those two undesirable concepts.

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I would disagree with your assessment that any school choosing the Big Ten is driven by greed.

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We may ultimately end up in the B1G, but I sure don't wish that to happen. You have to believe that if greed was the primary driver for UNC's decisions in terms of conference association that we would have done things a lot differently in the past. My concern now is fear more than greed. I don't think UNC is in a position where it needs to make a money-grab like Maryland did. UVa is not in that kind of position eitehr. Neither school has done this in the past and neither have operated with the kind of athletic budgets that some of these huge Big Ten schools have had. I could see fear dominating the decision process for UVa especially with neighbor Maryland making this move, but there are definite reasons (and calculated risks) that the Terps are being forced to make to remain competitive. And that extra revenue that Maryland needs really had very little chance of coming to fruition if they stayed in the ACC. They need the exit fee to be voided or they need the Big Ten to come in and help. They also need to make money like many prognosticators are predicting. If neither happen (and there IS a nonzero chance that neither will happen), Maryland is screwed anyhow. They will just be delaying (or maybe quickening?) the inevitable.

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According to some West Virginia fans, UNC is just dying to get into the Big 12. Got to love realignment threads.

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Where do you see this? I looked on their board but couldn't find anything about UNC being interested in the Big 12.

Who says there not? Every state in the so-called "rust-belt" has increased in population. The way some of you talk about the mid-west is comical and clearly uneducated.

Listen, UNC is a great school with a great history, especially in bb. I can understand some of your frustration with all this expansion talk about people saying "they know for sure". NO ONE knows for sure what's going to happen until it happens. I have said in the past I would love to see UNC join the B1G but could also see UNC going to the SEC also.

Winchester throws out a lot of speculation just like the WVU site but I think it's not to insult but to stir up conversation on the topic. But seriously, the insults coming at the B1G and mid-west are unnecessary.

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If there was any merit to the argument that the midwest is a better fit for Carolina than the SouthEast why is the SouthEast being over run with rustbelt graduates. Why do so very few graduates from the ACC and SEC move to the midwest?

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Pretty much sums up why Delaney wants to move East and South.

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I don't necessarily equate money and greed. I don't believe it is greedy for a school such as Missouri to switch conferences for money so they can support their athletic programs and/or their academics.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

FWIW, I didn't say that the choice is solely driven by greed, but you'd be a fool if you didn't think it was part of the decision. That being said, from Maryland's stanpoint, it absolutely was a money-grab decision (and one that I might add, will NOT result in more money in the short-term, and at best, will only result in additional revenue after several years of membership).

All of this realignment is driven by fear and/or greed and I'd challenge you to find an example of a move that wasn't about one of those two undesirable concepts.

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--- IrishTerryConklin wrote:

I would disagree with your assessment that any school choosing the Big Ten is driven by greed.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

We may ultimately end up in the B1G, but I sure don't wish that to happen. You have to believe that if greed was the primary driver for UNC's decisions in terms of conference association that we would have done things a lot differently in the past. My concern now is fear more than greed. I don't think UNC is in a position where it needs to make a money-grab like Maryland did. UVa is not in that kind of position eitehr. Neither school has done this in the past and neither have operated with the kind of athletic budgets that some of these huge Big Ten schools have had. I could see fear dominating the decision process for UVa especially with neighbor Maryland making this move, but there are definite reasons (and calculated risks) that the Terps are being forced to make to remain competitive. And that extra revenue that Maryland needs really had very little chance of coming to fruition if they stayed in the ACC. They need the exit fee to be voided or they need the Big Ten to come in and help. They also need to make money like many prognosticators are predicting. If neither happen (and there IS a nonzero chance that neither will happen), Maryland is screwed anyhow. They will just be delaying (or maybe quickening?) the inevitable.

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

It is quite clear to anyone with any awareness of technology that cable and internet TV are going toward ala carte programing yet rustbelt disciples come on here claiming that their business model will be the exception. They claim a path to Midas style riches when there is little to no chance of that result. They claim that they know more about the inner workings of UVA, UNC, ESPN, GT, FSU, the ACC and the SEC than people who actually work with/at and deal with those institutions. Somehow you morons have access to information that only the top brass would have. You claim you got this knowledge directly from people who would be fired if it was true and they allowed you to release it.

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I would disagree with the assumption that TV is moving to a la carte in the near future if ever, I definitely think there will be changes to the models available but what they will be I don't think anyone can say with certainty. I also think that a la carte won't necessarily mean the end of the Big Ten Network as a profitable venture, sure it might hurt the revenues but if it did other conferences would likely be adversely impacted as well.

Regarding inside information, I have none. I do have contacts but to date they've never given me a piece of valuable information in conference realignment and I don't anticipate that will change so I can assure you I will never tell you what will happen based on supposed inside information, I'm just doing my best to read the tea leaves and guessing like most everyone else based on logic as I see it.

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I would disagree with anyone that doesn't think TV is moving to a la carte in the near future in the USA. Canada just moved over to that A la Carte model in 2012 just like Europe been on for years.

Check this one out from the National Association of Television Program Executives (NATPE) convention in Miami this week,,,,


Watching TV on web is disrupting cable, broadcast worlds


Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/26...disrupting.html

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--- IrishTerryConklin wrote:

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

It is quite clear to anyone with any awareness of technology that cable and internet TV are going toward ala carte programing yet rustbelt disciples come on here claiming that their business model will be the exception. They claim a path to Midas style riches when there is little to no chance of that result. They claim that they know more about the inner workings of UVA, UNC, ESPN, GT, FSU, the ACC and the SEC than people who actually work with/at and deal with those institutions. Somehow you morons have access to information that only the top brass would have. You claim you got this knowledge directly from people who would be fired if it was true and they allowed you to release it.

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I would disagree with the assumption that TV is moving to a la carte in the near future if ever, I definitely think there will be changes to the models available but what they will be I don't think anyone can say with certainty. I also think that a la carte won't necessarily mean the end of the Big Ten Network as a profitable venture, sure it might hurt the revenues but if it did other conferences would likely be adversely impacted as well.

Regarding inside information, I have none. I do have contacts but to date they've never given me a piece of valuable information in conference realignment and I don't anticipate that will change so I can assure you I will never tell you what will happen based on supposed inside information, I'm just doing my best to read the tea leaves and guessing like most everyone else based on logic as I see it.

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I would disagree with anyone that doesn't think TV is moving to a la carte in the near future in the USA. Canada just moved over to that A la Carte model in 2012 just like Europe been on for years.

Check this one out from the National Association of Television Program Executives (NATPE) convention in Miami this week,,,,


Watching TV on web is disrupting cable, broadcast worlds


Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/26...disrupting.html

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A la carte cable and watching on the internet are two different things that can/will impact the current distribution channels in different ways. If a la carte becomes the norm the conferences may actually benefit, if internet streaming becomes the norm then the legality of those that are distributing the product without paying for it comes into question and until that is resolved it is unclear what impact it will have although it seems clear that will impact all conferences, not just those with TV networks.

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--- Jason113 wrote:

According to some West Virginia fans, UNC is just dying to get into the Big 12. Got to love realignment threads.

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According to some West Virginia fans both Miami and FSU will be announce they are in the B12 tomorrow. Only everyday is Ground Hog Day in their predictions and tomorrow never comes. The WVU B12 board has the same accuracy of conferences realignment as they do Sasquatch and UFO sighting.

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--- condor101 wrote:

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--- IrishTerryConklin wrote:

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

It is quite clear to anyone with any awareness of technology that cable and internet TV are going toward ala carte programing yet rustbelt disciples come on here claiming that their business model will be the exception. They claim a path to Midas style riches when there is little to no chance of that result. They claim that they know more about the inner workings of UVA, UNC, ESPN, GT, FSU, the ACC and the SEC than people who actually work with/at and deal with those institutions. Somehow you morons have access to information that only the top brass would have. You claim you got this knowledge directly from people who would be fired if it was true and they allowed you to release it.

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I would disagree with the assumption that TV is moving to a la carte in the near future if ever, I definitely think there will be changes to the models available but what they will be I don't think anyone can say with certainty. I also think that a la carte won't necessarily mean the end of the Big Ten Network as a profitable venture, sure it might hurt the revenues but if it did other conferences would likely be adversely impacted as well.

Regarding inside information, I have none. I do have contacts but to date they've never given me a piece of valuable information in conference realignment and I don't anticipate that will change so I can assure you I will never tell you what will happen based on supposed inside information, I'm just doing my best to read the tea leaves and guessing like most everyone else based on logic as I see it.

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I would disagree with anyone that doesn't think TV is moving to a la carte in the near future in the USA. Canada just moved over to that A la Carte model in 2012 just like Europe been on for years.

Check this one out from the National Association of Television Program Executives (NATPE) convention in Miami this week,,,,


Watching TV on web is disrupting cable, broadcast worlds


Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/26...disrupting.html

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A la carte cable and watching on the internet are two different things that can/will impact the current distribution channels in different ways. If a la carte becomes the norm the conferences may actually benefit, if internet streaming becomes the norm then the legality of those that are distributing the product without paying for it comes into question and until that is resolved it is unclear what impact it will have although it seems clear that will impact all conferences, not just those with TV networks.

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Well I can see you know little about the subject since internet is just another delivery method for TV just like satellite is to cable. What it does is offer more Competition and forces A La Carte options. More competition always lowers prices.

True A la Carte is picking your own channels you pay for but more people are picking to cut the cable and watch TV over the internet. Aereo TV provides local over-the-air channels, all the major broadcast networks and over 20 other channels in HD quality for $8 or less a month. It is going gang buster is NYC now and the B1G is going to lose a lot of revenue to that. Aereo is coming to 20 other cities soon including Miami and Raleigh—Durham, NC. I can't wait to call Comcast and tell those Liberals that own NBC to disconnect and I hope Comcast goes bankrupt.

Yeah, I guess you are right and I don't either when you are doing it for truly altruistic reasons. But there IS a fine line between the money and greed when it comes to present-day college athletics and it is difficult IMO to make the argument that the two are not the same in these kinds of decisions, especially when the decisions are made by GROUPS of people and the general consensus is that more money equates to survival (not for some betterment of the university per se).

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--- IrishTerryConklin wrote:

I don't necessarily equate money and greed. I don't believe it is greedy for a school such as Missouri to switch conferences for money so they can support their athletic programs and/or their academics.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

FWIW, I didn't say that the choice is solely driven by greed, but you'd be a fool if you didn't think it was part of the decision. That being said, from Maryland's stanpoint, it absolutely was a money-grab decision (and one that I might add, will NOT result in more money in the short-term, and at best, will only result in additional revenue after several years of membership).

All of this realignment is driven by fear and/or greed and I'd challenge you to find an example of a move that wasn't about one of those two undesirable concepts.

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--- IrishTerryConklin wrote:

I would disagree with your assessment that any school choosing the Big Ten is driven by greed.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

We may ultimately end up in the B1G, but I sure don't wish that to happen. You have to believe that if greed was the primary driver for UNC's decisions in terms of conference association that we would have done things a lot differently in the past. My concern now is fear more than greed. I don't think UNC is in a position where it needs to make a money-grab like Maryland did. UVa is not in that kind of position eitehr. Neither school has done this in the past and neither have operated with the kind of athletic budgets that some of these huge Big Ten schools have had. I could see fear dominating the decision process for UVa especially with neighbor Maryland making this move, but there are definite reasons (and calculated risks) that the Terps are being forced to make to remain competitive. And that extra revenue that Maryland needs really had very little chance of coming to fruition if they stayed in the ACC. They need the exit fee to be voided or they need the Big Ten to come in and help. They also need to make money like many prognosticators are predicting. If neither happen (and there IS a nonzero chance that neither will happen), Maryland is screwed anyhow. They will just be delaying (or maybe quickening?) the inevitable.

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--- condor101 wrote:

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--- IrishTerryConklin wrote:



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--- condor101 wrote:

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--- IrishTerryConklin wrote:

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

It is quite clear to anyone with any awareness of technology that cable and internet TV are going toward ala carte programing yet rustbelt disciples come on here claiming that their business model will be the exception. They claim a path to Midas style riches when there is little to no chance of that result. They claim that they know more about the inner workings of UVA, UNC, ESPN, GT, FSU, the ACC and the SEC than people who actually work with/at and deal with those institutions. Somehow you morons have access to information that only the top brass would have. You claim you got this knowledge directly from people who would be fired if it was true and they allowed you to release it.

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I would disagree with the assumption that TV is moving to a la carte in the near future if ever, I definitely think there will be changes to the models available but what they will be I don't think anyone can say with certainty. I also think that a la carte won't necessarily mean the end of the Big Ten Network as a profitable venture, sure it might hurt the revenues but if it did other conferences would likely be adversely impacted as well.

Regarding inside information, I have none. I do have contacts but to date they've never given me a piece of valuable information in conference realignment and I don't anticipate that will change so I can assure you I will never tell you what will happen based on supposed inside information, I'm just doing my best to read the tea leaves and guessing like most everyone else based on logic as I see it.

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I would disagree with anyone that doesn't think TV is moving to a la carte in the near future in the USA. Canada just moved over to that A la Carte model in 2012 just like Europe been on for years.

Check this one out from the National Association of Television Program Executives (NATPE) convention in Miami this week,,,,


Watching TV on web is disrupting cable, broadcast worlds


Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/26...disrupting.html

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A la carte cable and watching on the internet are two different things that can/will impact the current distribution channels in different ways. If a la carte becomes the norm the conferences may actually benefit, if internet streaming becomes the norm then the legality of those that are distributing the product without paying for it comes into question and until that is resolved it is unclear what impact it will have although it seems clear that will impact all conferences, not just those with TV networks.

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Well I can see you know little about the subject since internet is just another delivery method for TV just like satellite is to cable. What it does is offer more Competition and forces A La Carte options. More competition always lowers prices.

True A la Carte is picking your own channels you pay for but more people are picking to cut the cable and watch TV over the internet. Aereo TV provides local over-the-air channels, all the major broadcast networks and over 20 other channels in HD quality for $8 or less a month. It is going gang buster is NYC now and the B1G is going to lose a lot of revenue to that. Aereo is coming to 20 other cities soon including Miami. I can't wait to call Comcast and tell those Liberals that own NBC to disconnect and I hope Comcast goes bankrupt.

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Of course it is just another delivery method but how does that force a la carte offerings?

Regarding Aereo and similar options they aren't paying for content right now but the more impact they have the more likely it seems they will be forced to do so, I don't believe for a second that they can just broadcast content others have the rights to without compensation.