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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:21 PM
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The legal aspects of this case are pretty interesting. Maryland was induced to leave the ACC by the promise of riches which probably will be much less than the rustbelt said they would be. Maryland will lose the exit fee case in North Carolina. That judgement will be enforceable nationwide. The attempt by Maryland to bring an action against the ACC in Maryland will be removed to federal court most likely where it could likely be heard in a NC Federal District court.
If the rustbelt used false statements, deception and other unethical conduct to induce MD then MD might just bring action against the rustbelt when the promised riches don't arrive. Discovery might just bring out evidence that would rise to a cause of action by the ACC against the rustbelt. That action could also end up being heard in a NC State court or in the least in a NC Fed court.
The rustbelt syncophants who made this decision for MD aren't alumni. When they are fired as this thing blows up it is likely that big alumni(who mostly oppose the move to the rustbelt) just might cause more problems.
Under almost no circumstances would there be any incentive for the ACC to allow MD out without the maximum pain. 20 million is worthless. It will be all 52 plus additional direct action against the rustbelt or nothing and this thing will last for years. All the rustbelt will get out of this in the next 3-5 years is a lot of discovery, litigation and exposure for the desperate power grab it is.
Things are going to get real ugly for the rustbelt and the MD administration.
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UMd fans have talked about suing the UMd administration and Big-10. It has already been admitted that the vote to leave was done illegally, under Maryland law.
We aren't talking about the ACC fans, UMd people have brought this up.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:20 PM
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The idea of using a multiple of the ACC's annual budget as an exit fee was UMd's Dr Loh's brainchild to begin with. He proposed a 1.25x multiple. It's a little hard to go into court and argue that a structured fee that YOU preposed to begin with is punitive simply because a multiplier changed. The concept is either puntoive or not....the multiplier is not the determining factor.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:31 PM
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I like your way of thinking. Thanks for expressing this better than I every could have. It's got to be all or nothing.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:06 AM
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The idea of using a multiple of the ACC's annual budget as an exit fee was UMd's Dr Loh's brainchild to begin with. He proposed a 1.25x multiple. It's a little hard to go into court and argue that a structured fee that YOU preposed to begin with is punitive simply because a multiplier changed. The concept is either puntoive or not....the multiplier is not the determining factor.
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The amount most certainly determines whether or not it is punitive. That makes absolutely no sense. Either the 3 times is reasonable or it's not. Just because he came up with a multiplier doesn't mean that any multiple you want to plug into it is reasonable.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:10 AM
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The legal aspects of this case are pretty interesting. Maryland was induced to leave the ACC by the promise of riches which probably will be much less than the rustbelt said they would be. Maryland will lose the exit fee case in North Carolina. That judgement will be enforceable nationwide. The attempt by Maryland to bring an action against the ACC in Maryland will be removed to federal court most likely where it could likely be heard in a NC Federal District court.
If the rustbelt used false statements, deception and other unethical conduct to induce MD then MD might just bring action against the rustbelt when the promised riches don't arrive. Discovery might just bring out evidence that would rise to a cause of action by the ACC against the rustbelt. That action could also end up being heard in a NC State court or in the least in a NC Fed court.
The rustbelt syncophants who made this decision for MD aren't alumni. When they are fired as this thing blows up it is likely that big alumni(who mostly oppose the move to the rustbelt) just might cause more problems.
Under almost no circumstances would there be any incentive for the ACC to allow MD out without the maximum pain. 20 million is worthless. It will be all 52 plus additional direct action against the rustbelt or nothing and this thing will last for years. All the rustbelt will get out of this in the next 3-5 years is a lot of discovery, litigation and exposure for the desperate power grab it is.
Things are going to get real ugly for the rustbelt and the MD administration.
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LOL. You get better with ever post. Good luck with all of that. Gives a good laugh before heading to bed.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:21 AM
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The legal aspects of this case are pretty interesting. Maryland was induced to leave the ACC by the promise of riches which probably will be much less than the rustbelt said they would be. Maryland will lose the exit fee case in North Carolina. That judgement will be enforceable nationwide. The attempt by Maryland to bring an action against the ACC in Maryland will be removed to federal court most likely where it could likely be heard in a NC Federal District court.
If the rustbelt used false statements, deception and other unethical conduct to induce MD then MD might just bring action against the rustbelt when the promised riches don't arrive. Discovery might just bring out evidence that would rise to a cause of action by the ACC against the rustbelt. That action could also end up being heard in a NC State court or in the least in a NC Fed court.
The rustbelt syncophants who made this decision for MD aren't alumni. When they are fired as this thing blows up it is likely that big alumni(who mostly oppose the move to the rustbelt) just might cause more problems.
Under almost no circumstances would there be any incentive for the ACC to allow MD out without the maximum pain. 20 million is worthless. It will be all 52 plus additional direct action against the rustbelt or nothing and this thing will last for years. All the rustbelt will get out of this in the next 3-5 years is a lot of discovery, litigation and exposure for the desperate power grab it is.
Things are going to get real ugly for the rustbelt and the MD administration.
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LOL. You get better with ever post. Good luck with all of that. Gives a good laugh before heading to bed.
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English as a second language is one of the best community college programs of the last 20 years. It has so helped the rustbelt that the government hasn't yet been forced to try to revive the dead conference you are doomed to inhabit. so sad.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:49 AM
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I know your all sick of everyone coming to the board. Heel fans our dedicated to there school and the ACC. I fully understand how upsetting this is. I want to ask a question so please dont bite my head off. For argument sake what if the B1G offers Virginia and they except. Then the SEC rushes in and offers State and Tech and not you. Where then would you be as individuals? I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist. And sometimes wonder if this is happening, how would the B1G and NC safe face? This has been my GUESS all along. Thanks.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 9:08 AM
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Probably the same as the rest of the world. Hell freezing over will be a sure sign we have lost the global warming fight.
Pretty ridiculous question, even for a What If scenario to be honest. As explained umpteen times, UNC and NCSU do NOT operate in a vacuum, period. Each school has a seprate BOT but one BOG covers ALL the Universities in the UNC system. So your "if everybody leaves but you" question is like asking what we'd do if one of our kidneys fell out.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:07 AM
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Maryland will pay $20-$25 million. It will be no where near $52. ACC knows this as well.
Expect to hear UVA to the B1G soon. UVA has submitted its action plan paperwork to gain acceptance into the B1G. This is a fact.
I believe GT will be #16.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:23 AM
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Maryland will pay $20-$25 million. It will be no where near $52. ACC knows this as well.
The ACC will see this through trial.Good luck in a North Carolina court. The legal woes for the rustbelt and Maryland are just starting.
Expect to hear UVA to the B1G soon. UVA has submitted its action plan paperwork to gain acceptance into the B1G. This is a fact.
This is pure fiction.
I believe GT will be #16.
Tech's alumni would lynch anyone who tried to go this route. The Georgia Legislature would block any such nonsense.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:42 AM
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The legal aspects of this case are pretty interesting. Maryland was induced to leave the ACC by the promise of riches which probably will be much less than the rustbelt said they would be. Maryland will lose the exit fee case in North Carolina. That judgement will be enforceable nationwide. The attempt by Maryland to bring an action against the ACC in Maryland will be removed to federal court most likely where it could likely be heard in a NC Federal District court.
If the rustbelt used false statements, deception and other unethical conduct to induce MD then MD might just bring action against the rustbelt when the promised riches don't arrive. Discovery might just bring out evidence that would rise to a cause of action by the ACC against the rustbelt. That action could also end up being heard in a NC State court or in the least in a NC Fed court.
The rustbelt syncophants who made this decision for MD aren't alumni. When they are fired as this thing blows up it is likely that big alumni(who mostly oppose the move to the rustbelt) just might cause more problems.
Under almost no circumstances would there be any incentive for the ACC to allow MD out without the maximum pain. 20 million is worthless. It will be all 52 plus additional direct action against the rustbelt or nothing and this thing will last for years. All the rustbelt will get out of this in the next 3-5 years is a lot of discovery, litigation and exposure for the desperate power grab it is.
Things are going to get real ugly for the rustbelt and the MD administration.
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LOL. You get better with ever post. Good luck with all of that. Gives a good laugh before heading to bed.
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English as a second language is one of the best community college programs of the last 20 years. It has so helped the rustbelt that the government hasn't yet been forced to try to revive the dead conference you are doomed to inhabit. so sad.
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Yep. Still funny in the AM as well.
By the way, it may kill you to know that even though you typed "rustbelt" a few hundred times this weekend that I still have a good job up here (as do most). In fact, we just acquired a company in North Carolina in the past month and they now work for us.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:43 AM
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This clown has posted variations of his crap on the Cav board as well. They believe him almost as much as I do. :)
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:43 AM
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The legal aspects of this case are pretty interesting. Maryland was induced to leave the ACC by the promise of riches which probably will be much less than the rustbelt said they would be. Maryland will lose the exit fee case in North Carolina. That judgement will be enforceable nationwide. The attempt by Maryland to bring an action against the ACC in Maryland will be removed to federal court most likely where it could likely be heard in a NC Federal District court.
If the rustbelt used false statements, deception and other unethical conduct to induce MD then MD might just bring action against the rustbelt when the promised riches don't arrive. Discovery might just bring out evidence that would rise to a cause of action by the ACC against the rustbelt. That action could also end up being heard in a NC State court or in the least in a NC Fed court.
The rustbelt syncophants who made this decision for MD aren't alumni. When they are fired as this thing blows up it is likely that big alumni(who mostly oppose the move to the rustbelt) just might cause more problems.
Under almost no circumstances would there be any incentive for the ACC to allow MD out without the maximum pain. 20 million is worthless. It will be all 52 plus additional direct action against the rustbelt or nothing and this thing will last for years. All the rustbelt will get out of this in the next 3-5 years is a lot of discovery, litigation and exposure for the desperate power grab it is.
Things are going to get real ugly for the rustbelt and the MD administration.
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LOL. You get better with ever post. Good luck with all of that. Gives a good laugh before heading to bed.
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English as a second language is one of the best community college programs of the last 20 years. It has so helped the rustbelt that the government hasn't yet been forced to try to revive the dead conference you are doomed to inhabit. so sad.
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Yep. Still funny in the AM as well.
By the way, it may kill you to know that even though you typed "rustbelt" a few hundred times this weekend that I still have a good job up here (as do most). In fact, we just acquired a company in North Carolina in the past month and they now work for us.
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Carpetbagger. ;-)
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:28 AM
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The SEC's first choice is UNC and the SEC also wants VTech to makeup a 16 team conference. Why would the Yankee B1G boys even ask what if the SEC asked NCST first. The Tarheels are obvious first choices. The question you should ask is what if UNC chooses the B1G leaving the SEC no choice but to accept NCST, how would the UNC Nation feel.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:15 PM
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Thats why I said " Dont bite my head off" Right now B1G and SEC have none of Virginia ot North Carolina. You dont think its even a little possible that they talk? I am sure you are Slive's first choice. However sometimes there is give and take.---------------------------------------------
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The SEC's first choice is UNC and the SEC also wants VTech to makeup a 16 team conference. Why would the Yankee B1G boys even ask what if the SEC asked NCST first. The Tarheels are obvious first choices. The question you should ask is what if UNC chooses the B1G leaving the SEC no choice but to accept NCST, how would the UNC Nation feel.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:34 PM
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I know your all sick of everyone coming to the board. Heel fans our dedicated to there school and the ACC. I fully understand how upsetting this is. I want to ask a question so please dont bite my head off. For argument sake what if the B1G offers Virginia and they except. Then the SEC rushes in and offers State and Tech and not you. Where then would you be as individuals? I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist. And sometimes wonder if this is happening, how would the B1G and NC safe face? This has been my GUESS all along. Thanks.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 1:19 PM
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The SEC's first choice is UNC and the SEC also wants VTech to makeup a 16 team conference. Why would the Yankee B1G boys even ask what if the SEC asked NCST first. The Tarheels are obvious first choices. The question you should ask is what if UNC chooses the B1G leaving the SEC no choice but to accept NCST, how would the UNC Nation feel.
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The SEC wants UVA and UNC and have been discussing this for over two years. The Alumni and Students at UNC want no part of the rustbelt conference. If we are forced to make a choice there isn't a question, Carolina will go to the SEC.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 1:53 PM
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Maryland will pay $20-$25 million. It will be no where near $52. ACC knows this as well.
The ACC will see this through trial.Good luck in a North Carolina court. The legal woes for the rustbelt and Maryland are just starting.
Expect to hear UVA to the B1G soon. UVA has submitted its action plan paperwork to gain acceptance into the B1G. This is a fact.
This is pure fiction.
I believe GT will be #16.
Tech's alumni would lynch anyone who tried to go this route. The Georgia Legislature would block any such nonsense.
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You are posting emotional opinions. If you truly believe what you are posting you are going to be shocked.
I'm letting you know what's going on behind the scenes.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:33 PM
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Maryland will pay $20-$25 million. It will be no where near $52. ACC knows this as well.
The ACC will see this through trial.Good luck in a North Carolina court. The legal woes for the rustbelt and Maryland are just starting.
Expect to hear UVA to the B1G soon. UVA has submitted its action plan paperwork to gain acceptance into the B1G. This is a fact.
This is pure fiction.
I believe GT will be #16.
Tech's alumni would lynch anyone who tried to go this route. The Georgia Legislature would block any such nonsense.
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You are posting emotional opinions. If you truly believe what you are posting you are going to be shocked.
I'm letting you know what's going on behind the scenes.
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You have no idea what is going on at your wife's house when you are away much less what is going on at UVA, UNC, GT and ESPN. The only emotion I feel is pity for your life which is so lacking that you spend time on message boards that do not have any use for you or your idiotic gypsy style fortune telling(dreams).
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:02 PM
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^^ true why are these BIG trolls on here. Nobody wants to join your damn conference from the ACC besides Maryland. I would take Louisville over Maryland anyday everyday and twice on Sunday. VA and UNC as well as GT said thanks but no thanks. Nobody wants to play in your league
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:37 PM
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Wow, there's a lot of anti-Big Ten and Midwest sentiment here.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:49 PM
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Wow, there's a lot of anti-Big Ten and Midwest sentiment here.
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We're sick of the confident chatter and the loud prognostication. We want a vote in our future. We want to preserve what we value.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:51 PM
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^^ true why are these BIG trolls on here. Nobody wants to join your damn conference from the ACC besides Maryland. I would take Louisville over Maryland anyday everyday and twice on Sunday. VA and UNC as well as GT said thanks but no thanks. Nobody wants to play in your league
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I agree with you Champ, but the Ohio State free board has UVA, BC and GT all planning a rush to the B1G. The comforting part to me is that some of their info is coming from WVU fans.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:52 PM
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Wow, there's a lot of anti-Big Ten and Midwest sentiment here.
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We're sick of the confident chatter and the loud prognostication. We want a vote in our future. We want to preserve what we value.
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I can understand that and if UNC prefers the SEC to the Big Ten then in the unlikely event the ACC falls apart I wish you well. But please don't judge the Big Ten or its fans by a few arrogant fans that go from board to board making things up. Do you think it would be fair to judge UNC fans based on WoadBlue or Tarhealed/CMRHeel?
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Posted: 1/28/2013 4:21 PM
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^^ true why are these BIG trolls on here. Nobody wants to join your damn conference from the ACC besides Maryland. I would take Louisville over Maryland anyday everyday and twice on Sunday. VA and UNC as well as GT said thanks but no thanks. Nobody wants to play in your league
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I agree with you Champ, but the Ohio State free board has UVA, BC and GT all planning a rush to the B1G. The comforting part to me is that some of their info is coming from WVU fans.
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Oh no, please don't take BC! ;-)
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Posted: 1/28/2013 4:23 PM
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I can understand that and if UNC prefers the SEC to the Big Ten then in the unlikely event the ACC falls apart I wish you well. But please don't judge the Big Ten or its fans by a few arrogant fans that go from board to board making things up. Do you think it would be fair to judge UNC fans based on WoadBlue or Tarhealed/CMRHeel?
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Funny IrishTerryConklin you were just telling me on the FSU board how you were not defending the Big Ten and didn't have a agenda as a Illinois fan on ACC teams going to the B1G. More BS.. as you attack Heel fans on their own board.
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I can understand that and if UNC prefers the SEC to the Big Ten then in the unlikely event the ACC falls apart I wish you well. But please don't judge the Big Ten or its fans by a few arrogant fans that go from board to board making things up. Do you think it would be fair to judge UNC fans based on WoadBlue or Tarhealed/CMRHeel?
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Funny IrishTerryConklin you were just telling me on the FSU board how you were not defending the Big Ten and didn't have a agenda as a Illinois fan on ACC teams going to the B1G. More BS.. as you attack Heel fans on their own board.
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I didn't say I don't defend the Big Ten, I said I don't have an agenda. Please tell me what you believe my agenda is. And where did I attack Heel fans? I can see how you would misinterpret my query about judging UNC fans based on a couple of their posters but that would be exactly that, a misinterpretation, I was simply pointing out that judging an entire fanbase based on a couple of posters isn't really fair.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 4:37 PM
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If Louisville were better than Maryland then the Big Ten would've taken Louisville instead of Maryland. In fact, if the Big Ten wanted Louisville they could invite them tomorrow and it would be a done deal. The ACC got Louisville because nobody else wanted them.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:30 PM
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Sonny, God watches out for fools, drunks and children. But there's simply no reason for you to push it on all three issues. :)
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If Louisville were better than Maryland then the Big Ten would've taken Louisville instead of Maryland. In fact, if the Big Ten wanted Louisville they could invite them tomorrow and it would be a done deal. The ACC got Louisville because nobody else wanted them.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:39 PM
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Maryland will pay $20-$25 million. It will be no where near $52. ACC knows this as well.
The ACC will see this through trial.Good luck in a North Carolina court. The legal woes for the rustbelt and Maryland are just starting.
Expect to hear UVA to the B1G soon. UVA has submitted its action plan paperwork to gain acceptance into the B1G. This is a fact.
This is pure fiction.
I believe GT will be #16.
Tech's alumni would lynch anyone who tried to go this route. The Georgia Legislature would block any such nonsense.
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You are posting emotional opinions. If you truly believe what you are posting you are going to be shocked.
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You have no idea what is going on at your wife's house when you are away much less what is going on at UVA, UNC, GT and ESPN. The only emotion I feel is pity for your life which is so lacking that you spend time on message boards that do not have any use for you or your idiotic gypsy style fortune telling(dreams).
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You do have some good points in your arguements. Especially the name calling and insults. Classy.
Just trying to have a civil discussion and you resort to immature posts.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:52 PM
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I don't understand why people care more about shafting Duke and State than they do about doing what is best for UNC. I'm secure enough with what UNC is and offers to simply ignore Duke and State and pursue what is best for us.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:09 PM
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I know your all sick of everyone coming to the board. Heel fans our dedicated to there school and the ACC. I fully understand how upsetting this is. I want to ask a question so please dont bite my head off. For argument sake what if the B1G offers Virginia and they except. Then the SEC rushes in and offers State and Tech and not you. Where then would you be as individuals? I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist. And sometimes wonder if this is happening, how would the B1G and NC safe face? This has been my GUESS all along. Thanks.
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Fair enough questions.
If UVA accepts the offer, so be it. Their powers that be have to look out for what they feel is in their best interests. UMD did the same thing. UVA will be much more above board about that than the Terps were though, IMHO.
About NC State, the SEC is not going to offer them anything until they get an answer from Carolina. State offers them nothing. They are not on UNC's level as a respected academic institution nationally, and, their athletic department has been a train wreck for most of the past quarter century.
Mike Slive and the SEC will not rush in and offer NCSU for fear of being outmanoeuvered by Jim Delany. They know the wolpfackers have no other options. Sort of like it is with the ACC in regards to UConn.
Its all a moot point. The ACC is not going anywhere.
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Actually, Terry, there is a lot of anti-'done deal' sentiment here.
Everyday, its the same old stuff...UVA to the B10 is a done deal...GaTech is going to be No 16 is a done deal...The B10 is going to 20 teams is a done deal, etc. It gets tiresome.
The OSU guys who visit seems like decent guys. They keep saying some of their insiders are validating what they say, but, theres nary a peep from regional sportswriters like David Teel, who has as many inside contacts at UVA's athletic dpartment as anybody. He has not said or published anything whatsoever.
If memory serves, you are an Illini fan. How would you feel if the situations were reversed, and, ACC fans were saying the same thing on your board daily?
I freely admit to being pro-SEC, but, the B10 is a prise itself. Either would benefit Carolina greatly.
That said, the ACC is going to survivr and thrive. I really believe that.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:23 PM
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Wow, there's a lot of anti-Big Ten and Midwest sentiment here.
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We're sick of the confident chatter and the loud prognostication. We want a vote in our future. We want to preserve what we value.
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I can understand that and if UNC prefers the SEC to the Big Ten then in the unlikely event the ACC falls apart I wish you well. But please don't judge the Big Ten or its fans by a few arrogant fans that go from board to board making things up. Do you think it would be fair to judge UNC fans based on WoadBlue or Tarhealed/CMRHeel?
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Funny IrishTerryConklin you were just telling me on the FSU board how you were not defending the Big Ten and didn't have a agenda as a Illinois fan on ACC teams going to the B1G. More BS.. as you attack Heel fans on their own board.
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Terry has been a good poster over here. He always contributes to the discussion. He is also spot on about TarHealed/CMRHeel. He/she/it is obnoxious to the nth degree, and, it reflects badly upon the majority of posters here.
I don't have a problem with the rest of the B10 fans. Save for saying such and such is a 'done deal.' If it is, they need to post a link, or something. Don't just say it comes from OSU insiders. They need to give us something REAL to validate what you say.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:30 PM
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I know your all sick of everyone coming to the board. Heel fans our dedicated to there school and the ACC. I fully understand how upsetting this is. I want to ask a question so please dont bite my head off. For argument sake what if the B1G offers Virginia and they except. Then the SEC rushes in and offers State and Tech and not you. Where then would you be as individuals? I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist. And sometimes wonder if this is happening, how would the B1G and NC safe face? This has been my GUESS all along. Thanks.
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Fair enough questions.
If UVA accepts the offer, so be it. Their powers that be have to look out for what they feel is in their best interests. UMD did the same thing. UVA will be much more above board about that than the Terps were though, IMHO.
About NC State, the SEC is not going to offer them anything until they get an answer from Carolina. State offers them nothing. They are not on UNC's level as a respected academic institution nationally, and, their athletic department has been a train wreck for most of the past quarter century.
Mike Slive and the SEC will not rush in and offer NCSU for fear of being outmanoeuvered by Jim Delany. They know the wolpfackers have no other options. Sort of like it is with the ACC in regards to UConn.
Its all a moot point. The ACC is not going anywhere.
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Thanks Stormer
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:37 PM
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Wow, there's a lot of anti-Big Ten and Midwest sentiment here.
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Actually, Terry, there is a lot of anti-'done deal' sentiment here.
Everyday, its the same old stuff...UVA to the B10 is a done deal...GaTech is going to be No 16 is a done deal...The B10 is going to 20 teams is a done deal, etc. It gets tiresome.
The OSU guys who visit seems like decent guys. They keep saying some of their insiders are validating what they say, but, theres nary a peep from regional sportswriters like David Teel, who has as many inside contacts at UVA's athletic dpartment as anybody. He has not said or published anything whatsoever.
If memory serves, you are an Illini fan. How would you feel if the situations were reversed, and, ACC fans were saying the same thing on your board daily?
I freely admit to being pro-SEC, but, the B10 is a prise itself. Either would benefit Carolina greatly.
That said, the ACC is going to survivr and thrive. I really believe that.
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I can certainly understand the whole conference realignment weariness, if it overtook the Illinois board (your recollection is correct, I am an Illinois fan) like it has some of the other boards I would probably be really annoyed too. And I realize there are some Big Ten fans that are going to other boards and being obnoxious, I've seen it both here and elsewhere, I just ask that people not lump all Big Ten fans in with those that give us a bad name and not stoop to the level of taking cheap shots at an entire conference, its fans, and/or its region. For whatever reason it seems that most (not all but most) fans that post on multiple boards behave poorly either by being arrogant or pushing an agenda, why that is I have no idea.
I can understand why many would favor the SEC over the Big Ten, both are quality conferences that have much to offer. I can also understand why people would prefer the ACC to either conference as it also is a conference with much to offer. In the short term I am confident that the ACC will be fine and that these reports are based on wishful thinking and not actual inside information.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:16 PM
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Terry, the truth is we are vehemently anti-stupid. When the branless come to our Board and start insisting THEY know it all and WE know nothing, it strikes us as a tad bit moronic. Then as they post more it solidifies that feeling. Before you know it people are ready to choke the living West Virginia out of anyon eclaiming a B10 affiliation. Sorry if it splatters but that's just message board life. :)
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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:14 PM
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Thanks WS, I appreciate it. I try to bring something to the discussion, I realize I probably have a pro-Big Ten bias but I do my best to be objective.
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Terry has been a good poster over here. He always contributes to the discussion. He is also spot on about TarHealed/CMRHeel. He/she/it is obnoxious to the nth degree, and, it reflects badly upon the majority of posters here.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:20 PM
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And I can certainly understand that, in the past when I've dealt with stupid/annoying posters I'm sure I've lashed out at institutions, fans, etc of people I respect just in anger at the offending poster, it's just human nature. Hopefully your board hasn't been as clogged with fans of other schools and conferences as the FSU board. I always feel bad because I realize even though I try to contribute to the discussion I'm still part of the problem because I'm bumping threads that the actual board members aren't interested in.
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Terry, the truth is we are vehemently anti-stupid. When the branless come to our Board and start insisting THEY know it all and WE know nothing, it strikes us as a tad bit moronic. Then as they post more it solidifies that feeling. Before you know it people are ready to choke the living West Virginia out of anyon eclaiming a B10 affiliation. Sorry if it splatters but that's just message board life. :)
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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:25 PM
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Thank God we are no where near the state the Nole's Board reached. You are always welcome here.
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