First, upon information and belief, I think UVa is prepared to leave the ACC for the Big Ten. It's only a matter time (and possibly exit fee money) before they--and other schools--leave.

Second, all the rumors have UNC being pulled in two different directions. Now I know that radio host Greg Swaim is only somewhat more reliable than the WVU guys, but note these tweets from earlier today:

#UNC likes #B1G academics, but Delaney wants #UVA over #Duke

#UNC won't budge without #Duke, so the pair have been talked to by the #SEC. Can't confirm the offer yet

It's entirely possible that if the ACC crumbles, and if the Big Ten is unwilling to duplicate the NC market by taking both UNC and Duke, the schools would join the SEC in order to maintain the rivalry. We know from Matt Hayes of The Sporting News that the SEC wants UNC and Duke to expand to 16, probably to add quality basketball programming to its new network.

I know a lot of people on here don't like the idea of being tied at the hip with Duke, but that relationship (built primarily on basketball and academics) might actually get what a lot of UNC football fans want: the SEC.

No reason dook and Carolina can't continue rivalry in different. Conferences....

I am so tired of hearing "UNC won't move without (insert school of choice here)! Why do people think we can't/won't leave dook or UVa if it is what is best for us?

On the flip side, why leave the ACC if the exit fee passes the mustard? Look at the numbers and the ACC payout per school will be within $500,000 a year of the SEC and B1G by 2015-2016 if everyone stays put and we keep adding. Believe it or not, Louisville, Pitt, and Cuse are good adds.

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I am so tired of hearing "UNC won't move without (insert school of choice here)! Why do people think we can't/won't leave dook or UVa if it is what is best for us?

On the flip side, why leave the ACC if the exit fee passes the mustard? Look at the numbers and the ACC payout per school will be within $500,000 a year of the SEC and B1G by 2015-2016 if everyone stays put and we keep adding. Believe it or not, Louisville, Pitt, and Cuse are good adds.

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The ACC is locked into its current contract until 2026, I believe. The Big Ten and the SEC, which will have its own network soon, will be renegotiating contracts within a few years. The difference is going to be tens of millions of dollars per school. Money is why Maryland left, and it's why ACC schools are talking to the Big Ten and other conferences. Not to mention, the Big Ten is going to help Maryland (and presumably any other schools it can grab) finance any exit fee payments it will ultimately have to pay.

Anyway, if the Big Ten won't take Duke, then going to the SEC appeases football fans (obviously) and basketball fans (who want to see the UNC-Duke home-and-away games every year).

I just can't see any major conference wanting dook.

You know I can live with that. As long as we don't take the wuffies. I've got a couple cans of.Guiness that I'm going to bust out to celebrate whenever the agdogs get left out in the cold. Or the Atlantic 10.

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You know I can live with that. As long as we don't take the wuffies. I've got a couple cans of.Guiness that I'm going to bust out to celebrate whenever the agdogs get left out in the cold. Or the Atlantic 10.

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--- redhotchiliheel wrote:

You know I can live with that. As long as we don't take the wuffies. I've got a couple cans of.Guiness that I'm going to bust out to celebrate whenever the agdogs get left out in the cold. Or the Atlantic 10.

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"I have a dream, that one day on the red clay hills of North Carolina, children of the heavenly blue and the red-headed stepchildren of reddnexx will no longer play together in the same conference. I have a dream..."

Can I get a witness up in here?

This is the same stuff that keeps getting regurgitated from different sites but it can all be traced back to the Dude in WV. I have not seen a SINGLE credible source saying anything about UVa being seriously interested in the B1G. Nothing from the school, nothing from the B1G, nothing even from a legitimate blogger from ESPN except someone who would be willing to admit that it was rampant speculation.

The truth is that what the B1G offers would exceed the exit fee in a matter of just a few years. So if it's just the dollar that the Hoos would be chasing, they should go now...regardless of what happens with the exit fee with Maryland. ACC schools have been operating with athletic budgets that were much lower than those schools in the B1G for years...not sure why the almighty dollar would be what everyone is chasing now. I mean, I know why Maryland did it. But for UVa to do it would be just that. Chasing the dollar.

Now as for Miami or FSU or anyone who wants to go to the Big 12, the difference betwen the payouts of the ACC (with the assumed bump from ND's addition) and the Big 12 is not nearly as big. Who knows how those schools view that difference and if would just need to exist to justify jumping or if it would need to exceed a dollar figure per year. But right now, I would expect the ACC schools can each expect a bump in per team payouts from ESPN due to the addition of ND. They can expect a renegotiation of the ESPN deal which may or may not include the possibility of clauses to allow for an ACCN, and they can expect an increase in the bowl payouts due to the tie-ins being shared with ND. When all is said and done, the Big 12 payout will probably still be a little more, but let's not pretend it will be $4 or $5MM more. The truth is that it is roughly $4MM now (before the addition of ND). My guess is that will shrink significantly after the ESPN deal is renegotiated and the bowl tie-ins are adjusted. Then you really have to consider if an exit fee of $20MM is worth it, much less $50MM, to make that extra $1MM or so. But you can't beat what the B1G has to offer if you believe the projections. $12MM more per year is hard to argue with even if you have to pay the full exit fee.

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This is the same stuff that keeps getting regurgitated from different sites but it can all be traced back to the Dude in WV. I have not seen a SINGLE credible source saying anything about UVa being seriously interested in the B1G.
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I have, but I had to pay to see it. I'm hesitant of re-posting any details from behind a paywall out of respect for the website.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

This is the same stuff that keeps getting regurgitated from different sites but it can all be traced back to the Dude in WV. I have not seen a SINGLE credible source saying anything about UVa being seriously interested in the B1G.
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I have, but I had to pay to see it. I'm hesitant of re-posting any details from behind a paywall out of respect for the website.

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So since you paid money to see something, you think it makes it more credible? I pay for premium and there are plenty of folks (in the know) who think this is all BS. In fact, I would say there are more who think nothing is going to happen (at least in the short term) than those who think there WILL be something. I don't pretend to know, but my guess is that nothing will happen until the Maryland exit fee is resolved.

if it would hurt dook and state i'd be in favor of joining the pac whatever.

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So since you paid money to see something, you think it makes it more credible? I pay for premium and there are plenty of folks (in the know) who think this is all BS. In fact, I would say there are more who think nothing is going to happen (at least in the short term) than those who think there WILL be something. I don't pretend to know, but my guess is that nothing will happen until the Maryland exit fee is resolved.

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No, because I paid money to see it, I'm not putting out here in the public domain for others to see it for free (the same reason premium IC content isn't posted here on the Tar Pit). I think it is credible for other reasons.

I would agree that the Maryland exit fee needs to be resolved, but that doesn't necessarily mean there needs to be a settlement or the case needs to be tried and appealed. If the Big Ten and UVa can work out an agreement where the Big Ten will provide UVa some cover from the harshness of a $50 million payment (an interest free loan, perhaps), then that "resolves" the exit fee as far as the Big Ten and UVa are concerned.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

This is the same stuff that keeps getting regurgitated from different sites but it can all be traced back to the Dude in WV. I have not seen a SINGLE credible source saying anything about UVa being seriously interested in the B1G. Nothing from the school, nothing from the B1G, nothing even from a legitimate blogger from ESPN except someone who would be willing to admit that it was rampant speculation.

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This sums it all up right here. Its one single butthurt moron in WVA, spreading this nonsense. One who is PO'ed that the ACC bypassed WVU for their arch rival, Pitt. Not to mention Syracuse and Louisville, too.

No credible national media source even has this one their front page. At least none that I've seen. Unless somebody like Brett McMurphy from ESPN is reporting it, its all BS.

As long as the ACC exists UNC will be in it. Period. And the ACC ain't goin' nowhere....

ACC is done. The lawsuit brought by the state of Maryland against the ACC by the Maryland Attorney General is pretty powerful.

According to the documents, the ACC raised the exit fee only to keep others from leaving (punitive) all awhile recruiting other schools to join. It also claims the ACC charges new schools less than it charges existing members to leave. ACC did not give the proper time for schools to look over the change of raising the fee. It also states the fee change does not go into affect until July 1, 2013.

Great chance this negotiation starts at $20 million and goes down from there.

This can't go to trial. The discovery phase would be devasting to the ACC once the Raycom deal is exposed. That really benefited the commissioner's son. Way too much would come out.

Here is the link for your reading pleasure: docs.google.com/file/d...tdHM/edit?pli=1

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First, upon information and belief, I think UVa is prepared to leave the ACC for the Big Ten. It's only a matter time (and possibly exit fee money) before they--and other schools--leave.

Second, all the rumors have UNC being pulled in two different directions. Now I know that radio host Greg Swaim is only somewhat more reliable than the WVU guys, but note these tweets from earlier today:

#UNC likes #B1G academics, but Delaney wants #UVA over #Duke

#UNC won't budge without #Duke, so the pair have been talked to by the #SEC. Can't confirm the offer yet

It's entirely possible that if the ACC crumbles, and if the Big Ten is unwilling to duplicate the NC market by taking both UNC and Duke, the schools would join the SEC in order to maintain the rivalry. We know from Matt Hayes of The Sporting News that the SEC wants UNC and Duke to expand to 16, probably to add quality basketball programming to its new network.

I know a lot of people on here don't like the idea of being tied at the hip with Duke, but that relationship (built primarily on basketball and academics) might actually get what a lot of UNC football fans want: the SEC.

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Greg Swaim is NOT anymore reliable than the butthurt WVA kooks who simply regurgitate the same tired horse hooey day after day after day. Just like them, he throws crap at the wall, hoping something will stick.

The ACC is not going anywhere. As long as the NC and VA schools, Tech, and, Miami are committed to the league, everything will be just fine. Clemson's football coach said their leaving the ACC would be a mistake, because they can accomplish all of their goals here. And, it would hurt their recruiting in their usual recruiting grounds. That tells me CU isn't leaving, either.

ACC football teams carrying over the bowl season's momentum into this fall would be a HUGE positive. If the league can win the big OOC and bowl games repeatedly, we will get the money. Simple as that.

I freely admit to wanting Carolina in the SEC if it all goes sideways, but, unless their is a shocking development to change things (like UVA to the B10), this league will be fine. Unless some credible member of the national press (like ESPN's Brett McMurphy) breaks another story on realignment, just laugh at the kooks. They don't have anymore insight into that topic than you, or I do.

Chip Brown
Orangebloods.com Columnist

Talk about it in Inside the 40 Acres
Among the agenda items for Big 12 athletic directors at meetings in Dallas on Monday and Tuesday is a "philosophical" discussion about possible expansion, multiple sources close to the situation told Orangebloods.com on Wednesday.

While the degree of intensity about expansion in the Big 12 ranges from school to school, there is a sigh of relief the issue is finally being discussed - at all - under the watch of new commissioner Bob Bowlsby, sources said.

There was a fear among some members that Bowlsby would simply follow the wishes of Texas, which has been outspoken in keeping the Big 12 at 10 members, in large part, because of scheduling ease and to avoid a conference title game in football.

Texas athletic director Deloss Dodds and football coach Mack Brown have been outspoken that an upset in a football title game could derail a national title bid by the conference.

Critics of that argument point to the SEC and say its title game hasn't derailed any national title bids recently. Those critics also credit the divisions in the SEC for helping to keep the best teams from facing each other every year in league play, thus enhancing the chances of national title bids in that league.

Bowlsby stepped out a bit at the NCAA Convention in Grapevine, Texas, last week, telling reporters the Big 12 could be "proactive" in realignment. But Bowlsby was quick to follow up that he has seen no empirical evidence that bigger is necessarily better when it comes to conference makeup.

Bowlsby has also said he'd like the NCAA to consider allowing conferences with less than 12 members to have the right to break into divisions and have a league title game if they choose.

Certain to be involved in the Big 12's discussion of potential expansion will be the possibility of more schools in the Atlantic Coast Conference leaving the ACC in the wake of Maryland's decision to bolt for the Big Ten.

Multiple sources in the Big 12 told Orangebloods.com on Wednesday the Big Ten has tried to gauge the interest of Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Virginia about possibly joining Maryland in the Big Ten. But the sources said those schools have indicated to the Big Ten thanks but no thanks - for now.

Some speculate those schools are waiting to see what happens with the legal battle going on between the ACC and Maryland over the Terrapins' $52 million exit fee. Maryland's attorney general filed a countersuit last week seeking $157 million in damages (triple the amount of the exit fee) for antitrust violations by the ACC and seeking to have the ACC's lawsuit moved from Greensboro, N.C., to the state of Maryland.

Big 12 sources said they believe Bowlsby's attention was officially grabbed in December when Warchant.com, the Florida State site on the Yahoo!/Rivals.com network, reported the Seminoles had reached out to the Big Ten about possible membership.

The Big Ten, however, requires its members to be in the American Association of Universities, which represent the top research institutions in the country. Florida State is not an AAU school.

Sensing that one of the biggest potential prizes in realignment might be looking around, the Big 12 under Bowlsby appears ready now to talk about some kind of consensus regarding who or what would make sense if the Big 12 was to grow beyond 10.

"We can't continue to monitor things," one high-ranking source at a Big 12 school said Wednesday. "If you monitor, you get passed by. We have to have our own game plan so we aren't reacting any longer.

"We may decide 10 is the best option no matter what. But I think we have to talk about every possible scenario as a league."

That sentiment was shared by three other officials at different Big 12 schools Wednesday.
Those sources said it's doubtful the Big 12 reaches a decision to take action on expansion in the meetings in Dallas. But contingency plans could certainly be made.

A pressing question, according to sources, will be how many schools could be added to the Big 12 before per-school revenue starts to drop. Right now, Big 12 schools are projected to earn roughly $28 million per school starting in 2014 from TV revenue that includes the new Sugar Bowl TV contract with the SEC.

According to sources in the Big 12, there would be wide interest in Florida State if FSU became serious about joining the Big 12.

"If it doesn't make sense to Florida State, then this is all a moot point," one Big 12 source said.

Warchant.com has reported, according to sources, that if Florida State was ever to leave the ACC it would want as many regional partners as possible in its new league.

The Big 12 knows all too well about wanting regional partners when another league attempts a takeover.

Larry Scott, commissioner of the then-Pac-10, attempted to lure Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Colorado to form a 16-team superconference in June of 2010. And Scott nearly pulled it off. But Texas A&M balked, showing more interest in the SEC.

Would the Big 12 be so bold as to grow to 16 by attempting to lure six schools out of the ACC, beating the Pac-12, Big Ten and SEC to superconference status?

That idea is appealing to at least two schools in the Big 12, who believe such a move would ensure the viability of the Big 12 beyond its current grant of rights, which lock the league together through 2025. Those sources believe the Big Ten shopping around the ACC for expansion targets should be a call to action for the Big 12.

"You have to look long-term at a situation like this," said one source at a Big 12 school. "What ensures the league endures for the next 25 or 50 years? We can't get caught up in the next 10 to 15 years. We are talking about seismic shifts that will define the next 100 years."

So who and what would make sense for the Big 12? Is a football power like Florida State serious about looking around regardless of whether another ACC school decides to bolt for the Big Ten?

If the Seminoles, who voted against increasing the exit fees in the ACC from $20 million to $50 million last September, are serious about looking around, then three schools in the Big 12 believe the league had better do more than talk philosophically about expansion during its two-day meetings in Dallas next week.

The league better formulate a visionary, "proactive" plan that involves Florida State, the sources said.

If schools such as Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech could be persuaded to join the Big 12 while having each other as regional partners, the league would be at 14.

At that point, the ACC would be completely destabilized and a school such as North Carolina, where Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany received his undergraduate and law degrees, might consider jumping to the Big Ten, sources speculated.

Can anyone picture that? North Carolina, in the heart of Tobacco Road, in the Big Ten?

Half the ACC in the Big 12?

Would the SEC step in and possibly shelve its unwritten rule barring the addition of any schools from states in which the SEC already has members?

Would superconferences finally be upon us in college athletics?

Speculation of more seismic realignment in college athletics, whether it happens sooner or later, is definitely building.

And even a "philosophical" discussion of expansion by Big 12 athletic directors in Dallas next Monday and Tuesday won't do anything to quiet that speculation.

Stay tuned.

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ACC is done. The lawsuit brought by the state of Maryland against the ACC by the Maryland Attorney General is pretty powerful.

According to the documents, the ACC raised the exit fee only to keep others from leaving (punitive) all awhile recruiting other schools to join. It also claims the ACC charges new schools less than it charges existing members to leave. ACC did not give the proper time for schools to look over the change of raising the fee. It also states the fee change does not go into affect until July 1, 2013.

Great chance this negotiation starts at $20 million and goes down from there.

This can't go to trial. The discovery phase would be devasting to the ACC once the Raycom deal is exposed. That really benefited the commissioner's son. Way too much would come out.

Here is the link for your reading pleasure: docs.google.com/file/d...tdHM/edit?pli=1

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Well, we'll see, won't we? I am betting the suit filed by the Maryland AG will be a tough ask.

^^The FSU/CL to the Big12 inquiry is old news and neither was interested. VT and GT wouldn't even consider it if asked, so all this 'what-if' speculation is a waste of time. Bottom line -- the Big12 is hardly in any position to be predatory against the ACC. Lol, take away the grant-of-rights thing and the ACC could probably get WV to join.


www2.kusports.com/news/2012/de...eement-and-why/

"Considering the value of the Big 12’s current TV contracts, along with the revenue that is soon to come as a result of the conference’s partnership with the SEC that created the Champions Bowl, each member of the Big 12 is looking at a guaranteed take of nearly $30 million per year for the length of the contracts.

That sets the bar awfully high for the Big 12 to even entertain the idea of expanding.

“If you’re thinking about taking two schools you’ve gotta go to your TV partners and say, ‘We’re taking these two schools in; we want $60 million more.’ It ain’t gonna happen,” a Big 12 administrator said.

Why not?

Because most high-ranking officials within the Big 12 don’t believe that any schools out there are worth that kind of money.

And why not?

Because that’s what the television partners say."

So #1 the B12 is unlikely to expand, and #2 they can't offer any ACC school some insane amount of revenue to make it worthwhile anyways.

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Chip Brown
Orangebloods.com Columnist

Talk about it in Inside the 40 Acres
Among the agenda items for Big 12 athletic directors at meetings in Dallas on Monday and Tuesday is a "philosophical" discussion about possible expansion, multiple sources close to the situation told Orangebloods.com on Wednesday.

While the degree of intensity about expansion in the Big 12 ranges from school to school, there is a sigh of relief the issue is finally being discussed - at all - under the watch of new commissioner Bob Bowlsby, sources said.

There was a fear among some members that Bowlsby would simply follow the wishes of Texas, which has been outspoken in keeping the Big 12 at 10 members, in large part, because of scheduling ease and to avoid a conference title game in football.

Texas athletic director Deloss Dodds and football coach Mack Brown have been outspoken that an upset in a football title game could derail a national title bid by the conference.

Critics of that argument point to the SEC and say its title game hasn't derailed any national title bids recently. Those critics also credit the divisions in the SEC for helping to keep the best teams from facing each other every year in league play, thus enhancing the chances of national title bids in that league.

Bowlsby stepped out a bit at the NCAA Convention in Grapevine, Texas, last week, telling reporters the Big 12 could be "proactive" in realignment. But Bowlsby was quick to follow up that he has seen no empirical evidence that bigger is necessarily better when it comes to conference makeup.

Bowlsby has also said he'd like the NCAA to consider allowing conferences with less than 12 members to have the right to break into divisions and have a league title game if they choose.

Certain to be involved in the Big 12's discussion of potential expansion will be the possibility of more schools in the Atlantic Coast Conference leaving the ACC in the wake of Maryland's decision to bolt for the Big Ten.

Multiple sources in the Big 12 told Orangebloods.com on Wednesday the Big Ten has tried to gauge the interest of Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Virginia about possibly joining Maryland in the Big Ten. But the sources said those schools have indicated to the Big Ten thanks but no thanks - for now.

Some speculate those schools are waiting to see what happens with the legal battle going on between the ACC and Maryland over the Terrapins' $52 million exit fee. Maryland's attorney general filed a countersuit last week seeking $157 million in damages (triple the amount of the exit fee) for antitrust violations by the ACC and seeking to have the ACC's lawsuit moved from Greensboro, N.C., to the state of Maryland.

Big 12 sources said they believe Bowlsby's attention was officially grabbed in December when Warchant.com, the Florida State site on the Yahoo!/Rivals.com network, reported the Seminoles had reached out to the Big Ten about possible membership.

The Big Ten, however, requires its members to be in the American Association of Universities, which represent the top research institutions in the country. Florida State is not an AAU school.

Sensing that one of the biggest potential prizes in realignment might be looking around, the Big 12 under Bowlsby appears ready now to talk about some kind of consensus regarding who or what would make sense if the Big 12 was to grow beyond 10.

"We can't continue to monitor things," one high-ranking source at a Big 12 school said Wednesday. "If you monitor, you get passed by. We have to have our own game plan so we aren't reacting any longer.

"We may decide 10 is the best option no matter what. But I think we have to talk about every possible scenario as a league."

That sentiment was shared by three other officials at different Big 12 schools Wednesday.
Those sources said it's doubtful the Big 12 reaches a decision to take action on expansion in the meetings in Dallas. But contingency plans could certainly be made.

A pressing question, according to sources, will be how many schools could be added to the Big 12 before per-school revenue starts to drop. Right now, Big 12 schools are projected to earn roughly $28 million per school starting in 2014 from TV revenue that includes the new Sugar Bowl TV contract with the SEC.

According to sources in the Big 12, there would be wide interest in Florida State if FSU became serious about joining the Big 12.

"If it doesn't make sense to Florida State, then this is all a moot point," one Big 12 source said.

Warchant.com has reported, according to sources, that if Florida State was ever to leave the ACC it would want as many regional partners as possible in its new league.

The Big 12 knows all too well about wanting regional partners when another league attempts a takeover.

Larry Scott, commissioner of the then-Pac-10, attempted to lure Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Colorado to form a 16-team superconference in June of 2010. And Scott nearly pulled it off. But Texas A&M balked, showing more interest in the SEC.

Would the Big 12 be so bold as to grow to 16 by attempting to lure six schools out of the ACC, beating the Pac-12, Big Ten and SEC to superconference status?

That idea is appealing to at least two schools in the Big 12, who believe such a move would ensure the viability of the Big 12 beyond its current grant of rights, which lock the league together through 2025. Those sources believe the Big Ten shopping around the ACC for expansion targets should be a call to action for the Big 12.

"You have to look long-term at a situation like this," said one source at a Big 12 school. "What ensures the league endures for the next 25 or 50 years? We can't get caught up in the next 10 to 15 years. We are talking about seismic shifts that will define the next 100 years."

So who and what would make sense for the Big 12? Is a football power like Florida State serious about looking around regardless of whether another ACC school decides to bolt for the Big Ten?

If the Seminoles, who voted against increasing the exit fees in the ACC from $20 million to $50 million last September, are serious about looking around, then three schools in the Big 12 believe the league had better do more than talk philosophically about expansion during its two-day meetings in Dallas next week.

The league better formulate a visionary, "proactive" plan that involves Florida State, the sources said.

If schools such as Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech could be persuaded to join the Big 12 while having each other as regional partners, the league would be at 14.

At that point, the ACC would be completely destabilized and a school such as North Carolina, where Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany received his undergraduate and law degrees, might consider jumping to the Big Ten, sources speculated.

Can anyone picture that? North Carolina, in the heart of Tobacco Road, in the Big Ten?

Half the ACC in the Big 12?

Would the SEC step in and possibly shelve its unwritten rule barring the addition of any schools from states in which the SEC already has members?

Would superconferences finally be upon us in college athletics?

Speculation of more seismic realignment in college athletics, whether it happens sooner or later, is definitely building.

And even a "philosophical" discussion of expansion by Big 12 athletic directors in Dallas next Monday and Tuesday won't do anything to quiet that speculation.

Stay tuned.

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Come on, Winchester. You are better than this. You know damn good and well that Chip Brown is as undependable about realignment as Greg Swaim is. And, as long as Texas and Oklahoma say NO to expansion, the Big 12 will not expand. And, they say no.

FSU will not go it alone. Unless Clemson or Miami were to go along with them, it is a waste for FSU. Clemson's FB HC has said leaving the ACC would be a mistake. It would hurt them in their normal recruiting grounds, as kids from the southeast do not want to play in a southwestern-based league. Miami is a mess. They've struggled since joining the ACC. Their home games don't sell out (unless its FSU), and, their fans don't travel.

You can forget about Tech and VPI, too. If Tech goes anywhere, it'd be the B10. They'd never go to the B12, because its a MAJOR downgrade academically. And VPI? Just read any comment from their AD, Jim Weaver. He's said repeatedly that the ACC is the conference they've wanted to be in all along. And, that they're not going anywhere. Of course, he, like any good AD, is keeping a close eye on things.

As long as the NC-VA schools, Clemson, Tech, and Miami stand strong, the ACC will be fine. If FSU cannot get anybody to leave along with them, they're not leaving. Heck, the kookdom that reigns in the Big 12 has turned off a large portion of their fanbase.

Stay tuned...

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So since you paid money to see something, you think it makes it more credible? I pay for premium and there are plenty of folks (in the know) who think this is all BS. In fact, I would say there are more who think nothing is going to happen (at least in the short term) than those who think there WILL be something. I don't pretend to know, but my guess is that nothing will happen until the Maryland exit fee is resolved.

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No, because I paid money to see it, I'm not putting out here in the public domain for others to see it for free (the same reason premium IC content isn't posted here on the Tar Pit). I think it is credible for other reasons.

I would agree that the Maryland exit fee needs to be resolved, but that doesn't necessarily mean there needs to be a settlement or the case needs to be tried and appealed. If the Big Ten and UVa can work out an agreement where the Big Ten will provide UVa some cover from the harshness of a $50 million payment (an interest free loan, perhaps), then that "resolves" the exit fee as far as the Big Ten and UVa are concerned.

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If any poster ever deserved to be banned for anti-Carolina activity it is you 09. It sucks that your parents deprived you of oxygen when you were a child but just accept that your wolfpack brothers are toast if the ACC breaks up. WE will go to the SEC and you will be the the co-flagship of the Big East Short Bus Division.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:


So since you paid money to see something, you think it makes it more credible? I pay for premium and there are plenty of folks (in the know) who think this is all BS. In fact, I would say there are more who think nothing is going to happen (at least in the short term) than those who think there WILL be something. I don't pretend to know, but my guess is that nothing will happen until the Maryland exit fee is resolved.

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No, because I paid money to see it, I'm not putting out here in the public domain for others to see it for free (the same reason premium IC content isn't posted here on the Tar Pit). I think it is credible for other reasons.

I would agree that the Maryland exit fee needs to be resolved, but that doesn't necessarily mean there needs to be a settlement or the case needs to be tried and appealed. If the Big Ten and UVa can work out an agreement where the Big Ten will provide UVa some cover from the harshness of a $50 million payment (an interest free loan, perhaps), then that "resolves" the exit fee as far as the Big Ten and UVa are concerned.

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If any poster ever deserved to be banned for anti-Carolina activity it is you 09. It sucks that your parents deprived you of oxygen when you were a child but just accept that your wolfpack brothers are toast if the ACC breaks up. WE will go to the SEC and you will be the the co-flagship of the Big East Short Bus Division.

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lol, expatriate's "rants" are becoming my favorite part of The Tar Pit

That's the truth. These people need to pick a new hobby rather than just blabber the same thing over and over again.

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--- Soulbrothernumber1 wrote:

As long as the ACC exists UNC will be in it. Period. And the ACC ain't goin' nowhere....

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--- Carolina2009 wrote:



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--- expatriateheel wrote:



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--- Carolina2009 wrote:


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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:


So since you paid money to see something, you think it makes it more credible? I pay for premium and there are plenty of folks (in the know) who think this is all BS. In fact, I would say there are more who think nothing is going to happen (at least in the short term) than those who think there WILL be something. I don't pretend to know, but my guess is that nothing will happen until the Maryland exit fee is resolved.

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No, because I paid money to see it, I'm not putting out here in the public domain for others to see it for free (the same reason premium IC content isn't posted here on the Tar Pit). I think it is credible for other reasons.

I would agree that the Maryland exit fee needs to be resolved, but that doesn't necessarily mean there needs to be a settlement or the case needs to be tried and appealed. If the Big Ten and UVa can work out an agreement where the Big Ten will provide UVa some cover from the harshness of a $50 million payment (an interest free loan, perhaps), then that "resolves" the exit fee as far as the Big Ten and UVa are concerned.

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If any poster ever deserved to be banned for anti-Carolina activity it is you 09. It sucks that your parents deprived you of oxygen when you were a child but just accept that your wolfpack brothers are toast if the ACC breaks up. WE will go to the SEC and you will be the the co-flagship of the Big East Short Bus Division.

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lol, expatriate's "rants" are becoming my favorite part of The Tar Pit

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And your idiocy is the worst part of reading the site. I, like most Carolina alumni realize that your alma mater is a third tier school. Why do you post here? The rectal thermometer your mom uses to measure your IQ must be worn out.

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--- expatriateheel wrote:


And your idiocy is the worst part of reading the site. I, like most Carolina alumni realize that your alma mater is a third tier school. Why do you post here? The rectal thermometer your mom uses to measure your IQ must be worn out.

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All right, now I can't tell if you're joking.

If you ever find yourself agreeing with soulbrother, you know you are on the wrong side of the argument.

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--- Fedoramases wrote:

That's the truth. These people need to pick a new hobby rather than just blabber the same thing over and over again.

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--- Soulbrothernumber1 wrote:

As long as the ACC exists UNC will be in it. Period. And the ACC ain't goin' nowhere....

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You know even less about Law than you do about the ACC or UNC. Which puts you somewhere on the level of a worn out bluetick hound,, legally speaking :)

Now here's a little tidbit you can chew on whil epretending you have a clue...gues which University suggested the multiple of theACC budget as abn exit fee to START with? Here's a hint..think TURTLE. Yes it
s true...Dr Loh proposed a 1.25X multiplier of the operating budget to begin with. H eonly got cold feet AFTER the rest of the Conference bumped it to 3X.

Bringing an inteligent argument to this Board is one thing. Bringing stupidity is something else. We have plenty of our own idiots without importing the B10 variety.


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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

ACC is done. The lawsuit brought by the state of Maryland against the ACC by the Maryland Attorney General is pretty powerful.

According to the documents, the ACC raised the exit fee only to keep others from leaving (punitive) all awhile recruiting other schools to join. It also claims the ACC charges new schools less than it charges existing members to leave. ACC did not give the proper time for schools to look over the change of raising the fee. It also states the fee change does not go into affect until July 1, 2013.

Great chance this negotiation starts at $20 million and goes down from there.

This can't go to trial. The discovery phase would be devasting to the ACC once the Raycom deal is exposed. That really benefited the commissioner's son. Way too much would come out.

Here is the link for your reading pleasure: docs.google.com/file/d...tdHM/edit?pli=1

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Meh. They have to expand to 12 to get that championship money again. We'll see who they take, if they take anyone.

The Big XII can have their pick of South Florida, Central Florida, Cinncinati and BYU. Given Bowlsby's comments about trying to grow a program those are more likely targets than taking an already established program like FSU or Miami.

Growing a program allows the established football powers a stronger grip to a secure a title shot.

With all the talk about FSU wanting more "football members" - you can bet that UT, OU want none of that. With their name alone (and the fact they keep more $$ themselves rather than share with conference) they can get the title shot look. They could care less if member #11 is North Texas State. The comments of not wanting a championship game is a sign of that. Of all the conferences, the Big 12 have had the most "upsets" in the title game when a team has been on track for the game.

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--- WakeForestIndy wrote:

The Big XII can have their pick of South Florida, Central Florida, Cinncinati and BYU. Given Bowlsby's comments about trying to grow a program those are more likely targets than taking an already established program like FSU or Miami.

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WV folks would love for the ACC to disintegrate but I don't see that happening. The difference in money isn't enough to justify a move to the Big 12.

Big XII schools now have equal revenue sharing for Tier 1 and Tier 2 media revenue. Tier 3 revenue is open to each school to do what it pleases, which is what FSU wanted from the ACC. This change in philosophy is what kept the conference together.

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--- HeelGrad85 wrote:

Growing a program allows the established football powers a stronger grip to a secure a title shot.

With all the talk about FSU wanting more "football members" - you can bet that UT, OU want none of that. With their name alone (and the fact they keep more $$ themselves rather than share with conference) they can get the title shot look. They could care less if member #11 is North Texas State. The comments of not wanting a championship game is a sign of that. Of all the conferences, the Big 12 have had the most "upsets" in the title game when a team has been on track for the game.

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--- WakeForestIndy wrote:

The Big XII can have their pick of South Florida, Central Florida, Cinncinati and BYU. Given Bowlsby's comments about trying to grow a program those are more likely targets than taking an already established program like FSU or Miami.

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The Big 12 should go after Cincinnati as potential bridge for WVU and then make a play for a BYU or Boise State type.

BTW, wasn't there going to be an announcement this past Tuesday that Georgia Tech and Virginia was joining the B1G?

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--- bobbyjay wrote:

The Big 12 should go after Cincinnati as potential bridge for WVU and then make a play for a BYU or Boise State type.

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The BIG12 will either expand east or stay at 10. Expansion to the west is not an option, no programs bring enough value for that to happen.

Maryland gave up on themselves, they said "hey we aren't any good and the other teams in the ACC aren't good enough to carry us".

He agreed with me, just beat me to posting lol. Does that change things?

I dunno. It just seems this ACC is doomed stuff is being way over played. I realize football is the driving force, but basketball matters, and the ACC is the #1 basketball conference in the country. Given our history, I don't see us jumping ship.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

If you ever find yourself agreeing with soulbrother, you know you are on the wrong side of the argument.

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--- Fedoramases wrote:

That's the truth. These people need to pick a new hobby rather than just blabber the same thing over and over again.

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--- Soulbrothernumber1 wrote:

As long as the ACC exists UNC will be in it. Period. And the ACC ain't goin' nowhere....

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Big 12 will grab Memphis, south Florida, Cindy and one more. Mark it down