So if the current format holds, we'll play, for example, at Clemson every 12 years? Might as well not even be in our conference.

Shhh! Do not question the great and powerful Swoz!

true...we play at EZU more often

Should be twice every 12 years right? But the point is taken. We've played Rutgers and ECU more than four times apiece in the last 7 years. Our "conference" going forward will be the coastal, not the ACC, and we will have an annual OOC rivalry game with State just like Clemson and SCar or Georgia and GT.

This is exactly why I dont understand the talk of conferences going to 16 teams? You would play each school even less.

Great point...each big football conference is really 2 "conferences" sharing media rights.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

Should be twice every 12 years right? But the point is taken. We've played Rutgers and ECU more than four times apiece in the last 7 years. Our "conference" going forward will be the coastal, not the ACC, and we will have an annual OOC rivalry game with State just like Clemson and SCar or Georgia and GT.

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Get rid of OOC games? 12 conference games.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

Should be twice every 12 years right? But the point is taken. We've played Rutgers and ECU more than four times apiece in the last 7 years. Our "conference" going forward will be the coastal, not the ACC, and we will have an annual OOC rivalry game with State just like Clemson and SCar or Georgia and GT.

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Sorry I was unclear, we would play every 6 years but only at their place every 12 is what I meant. So if you only go to home games you'll see Clemson every 12 years...smh. I agree 100% about the coastal being our conference.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

Get rid of OOC games? 12 conference games.

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That wouldn't be any fun. I enjoy OOC games (when they are done smartly). And FSU, Clemson, and GT would never agree...and nor should they. Playing OOC games (smartly) promotes the mission of the football program and the athletic department and it improves the school(s). Playing games outside of the ACC region (like we do in basketball in pre-season tourneys and in the NCAA tourney) serves a purpose. Howeveer, I am against games against ECU and if everyone else would abolish the games against 1-AA opponents, I would be against the games against Elon and Old Dominion.

Carolina has a luxury in basketball that most of the other schools in the ACC are not afforded in that the UNC brand is on TV quite a bit in December and in March (and sometimes April). So does dook. However, most of the other schools don't have this luxury and that's why folks in Texas or California or Utah probably aren't very familiar with Wake and BC and UVa. Those schools are not afforded that luxury and therefore don't really fully benefit from their athletic programs as much as others.

I know a LOT more about Baylor now than I did 10 years ago (before they got good in football). Same thing with Okie State and Oregon...

I was kidding, sort of. 1-AA games should be abolished for teams inthe "BCS" conferences. If your conference has 14 teams you should play 10 conference games per year, then you just rotate the non-divisional teams off your schedule every other year. Otherwise, as you've eloquated above, the other division isn't really even in your "conference", they're just a team you play every once in a while. Here's how it would work for us if I were king:

Coastal (or whatever you wanna call it):

UNC
Dook
UVA
Wake
iNCeST
VT
Louisville

Atlantic:

GT
Clem
FSU
Miami
'Cuse
Pitt
BC


No need for all the cross division rival crap. We play iNCeST and Dook every year, FSU/Miami is an annual game, so is GT/Clem and UVA/VT. We play the six in our division, four from the other, then next year our division, plus three from the other and ND. Year three starts the cycle again, you just flip the locations. Home and home every two years.

Boom! I will take my $50,000 consulting fee now Swoff.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:



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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

Get rid of OOC games? 12 conference games.

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That wouldn't be any fun. I enjoy OOC games (when they are done smartly). And FSU, Clemson, and GT would never agree...and nor should they. Playing OOC games (smartly) promotes the mission of the football program and the athletic department and it improves the school(s). Playing games outside of the ACC region (like we do in basketball in pre-season tourneys and in the NCAA tourney) serves a purpose. Howeveer, I am against games against ECU and if everyone else would abolish the games against 1-AA opponents, I would be against the games against Elon and Old Dominion.

Carolina has a luxury in basketball that most of the other schools in the ACC are not afforded in that the UNC brand is on TV quite a bit in December and in March (and sometimes April). So does dook. However, most of the other schools don't have this luxury and that's why folks in Texas or California or Utah probably aren't very familiar with Wake and BC and UVa. Those schools are not afforded that luxury and therefore don't really fully benefit from their athletic programs as much as others.

I know a LOT more about Baylor now than I did 10 years ago (before they got good in football). Same thing with Okie State and Oregon...

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

I was kidding, sort of. 1-AA games should be abolished for teams inthe "BCS" conferences. If your conference has 14 teams you should play 10 conference games per year, then you just rotate the non-divisional teams off your schedule every other year. Otherwise, as you've eloquated above, the other division isn't really even in your "conference", they're just a team you play every once in a while. Here's how it would work for us if I were king:

Coastal (or whatever you wanna call it):

UNC
Dook
UVA
Wake
iNCeST
VT
Louisville

Atlantic:

GT
Clem
FSU
Miami
'Cuse
Pitt
BC


No need for all the cross division rival crap. We play iNCeST and Dook every year, FSU/Miami is an annual game, so is GT/Clem and UVA/VT. We play the six in our division, four from the other, then next year our division, plus three from the other and ND. Year three starts the cycle again, you just flip the locations. Home and home every two years.

Boom! I will take my $50,000 consulting fee now Swoff.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:



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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

Get rid of OOC games? 12 conference games.

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That wouldn't be any fun. I enjoy OOC games (when they are done smartly). And FSU, Clemson, and GT would never agree...and nor should they. Playing OOC games (smartly) promotes the mission of the football program and the athletic department and it improves the school(s). Playing games outside of the ACC region (like we do in basketball in pre-season tourneys and in the NCAA tourney) serves a purpose. Howeveer, I am against games against ECU and if everyone else would abolish the games against 1-AA opponents, I would be against the games against Elon and Old Dominion.

Carolina has a luxury in basketball that most of the other schools in the ACC are not afforded in that the UNC brand is on TV quite a bit in December and in March (and sometimes April). So does dook. However, most of the other schools don't have this luxury and that's why folks in Texas or California or Utah probably aren't very familiar with Wake and BC and UVa. Those schools are not afforded that luxury and therefore don't really fully benefit from their athletic programs as much as others.

I know a LOT more about Baylor now than I did 10 years ago (before they got good in football). Same thing with Okie State and Oregon...

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The key word is "rotate." When somebody tries to feed us a bogus schedule, just tell them to rotate.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

I was kidding, sort of. 1-AA games should be abolished for teams inthe "BCS" conferences. If your conference has 14 teams you should play 10 conference games per year, then you just rotate the non-divisional teams off your schedule every other year. Otherwise, as you've eloquated above, the other division isn't really even in your "conference", they're just a team you play every once in a while. Here's how it would work for us if I were king:

Coastal (or whatever you wanna call it):

UNC
Dook
UVA
Wake
iNCeST
VT
Louisville

Atlantic:

GT
Clem
FSU
Miami
'Cuse
Pitt
BC


No need for all the cross division rival crap. We play iNCeST and Dook every year, FSU/Miami is an annual game, so is GT/Clem and UVA/VT. We play the six in our division, four from the other, then next year our division, plus three from the other and ND. Year three starts the cycle again, you just flip the locations. Home and home every two years.

Boom! I will take my $50,000 consulting fee now Swoff.
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Since you can't make everyone happy, I think the point of any divisional realignment (in a conference) would be to make as many programs as happy as possible. I will go ahead and tell you that Clemson, FSU, and Miami would be mad that all four NC schools are in the same division. Furthermore, FSU and Miami stated that they wanted to be in separate division (and I honestly think that is in the league's best interest in the event that Miami and FSU were both good enough to be in the ACCCG--which is amazing to me even this day that they haven't given where these programs were in 2004).

In fact, I don't think you CAN make division alignments that make more folks happy than there are right now. Who is really going to complain?

Alternatively, I have proposed a modified pod system where there is a draft and each school chooses a partner from the 14 schools. Then the ACC can go back and assign a third pairing so that each school has three primary partners for a given # of years (maybe 4 or 8?). For UNC, this would likely result in State and dook/UVa and probably one more. The remaining 10 schools would be split in on/off years meaning: 1) primary rivalries would be preserved every year, 2) everyone would play everyone else at least every other year, 3) each school would have 8 conference games. If you wanted to move to 9 conference games, there could be FIVE primary rivalries and the remaining 8 could be split on/off. The major negatives of course are that the schools with multiple rivalries would not necessarily be guaranteed to play every year (although they would play AT LEAST every other year), and the ACCCG would either a) have to be determined by who was #1 and #2 in the standing (which would require tiebreakers akin to what they have now for determining who is the division champ or who are the #1 and #2 seed in the bball tourney) and b) have to get a special waiver from the NCAA to allow for a CG that is not determined by divisions (or give up the game and the $300K it generates for each school).

Maybe the new format only had basketball in mind. Just saying....