Here is a link to the interview: espn.go.com/college-sports/sto...s-committed-acc

He states that being in a conference with UNC, Duke, & UVA is the ideal situation for GT. But he also seems to be worried about GT's current financial situation.

"For instance, the football team has struggled to fill 55,000-seat Bobby Dodd Stadium, failing to sell out any games last season while averaging 43,955.

Bobinski wants to make more efforts to reach out to the student body and alumni, but realizes that he faces a difficult task playing in a city with three major league teams and in a state where rival Georgia has a much larger fan base and revenue potential."

That is it in a nutshell, folks. I just think that nothing in Bobi's experience prepares him for how hard that is gonna be.

level that ******** stadium and play in the georgia dome might help

Bobinski smiled when asked if Georgia Tech might be joining the realignment frenzy.

"That's the ultimate loaded question," he said, before quickly stressing he thinks the ACC is an "unbelievable home for Georgia Tech. It's the right fit in today's world for us."




In tomorrow's world, however...

GT is trying to get out, Clemson and FSU are leaving, but they don't really want to go to their new home in the Big-12, and they are not going to the SEC.

The school with the most options, UNC, is keeping the cards ( and contacts ) close to the vest, same with the #2 school with options, UVa.

Virginia is going to the Big 10.

North Carolina is being pulled in two separate directions. Its fans want the SEC, whereas the administration, the faculty, and the accountants want the Big 10.

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GT is trying to get out, Clemson and FSU are leaving, but they don't really want to go to their new home in the Big-12, and they are not going to the SEC.

The school with the most options, UNC, is keeping the cards ( and contacts ) close to the vest, same with the #2 school with options, UVa.

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& my question is after all of these moves have been made when have you heard "academics" as the driving force?

Point is "academics" are an Internet myth, sure if they're there then great but these things are athletic moves & will be motivated by other factors. "Academics" will be told to shut up & go sit in the corner while the men work.

My prediction comes down to fit & my prediction is UNC & UVa will be split with UVa going to the B1G & UNC going to the SEC. GaTech will join UVa & who joins UNC is a toss up between VaTech & Duke imo

If UNC did come with VaTech, or without Duke or UVa, no worries. Kentucky in basketball & South Carolina in football would provide for MORE than sufficient conference replacement rivalries, total upgrades imo


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--- BuffaloLion wrote:

Virginia is going to the Big 10.

North Carolina is being pulled in two separate directions. Its fans want the SEC, whereas the administration, the faculty, and the accountants want the Big 10.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

GT is trying to get out, Clemson and FSU are leaving, but they don't really want to go to their new home in the Big-12, and they are not going to the SEC.

The school with the most options, UNC, is keeping the cards ( and contacts ) close to the vest, same with the #2 school with options, UVa.

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You are flat out wrong on UNC, if it were only the fans who wanted the SEC, there would be no discussion.

Heck, the fans at UVa want the SEC, the fans at Maryland wanted the ACC...

And UVa is bipolar.

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--- BuffaloLion wrote:

Virginia is going to the Big 10.

North Carolina is being pulled in two separate directions. Its fans want the SEC, whereas the administration, the faculty, and the accountants want the Big 10.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

GT is trying to get out, Clemson and FSU are leaving, but they don't really want to go to their new home in the Big-12, and they are not going to the SEC.

The school with the most options, UNC, is keeping the cards ( and contacts ) close to the vest, same with the #2 school with options, UVa.

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Three things:

1 - I will be so happy when this realignment stuff ends.

2 - That interview does not make me feel good about GT's commitment to the ACC.

3 - Another ND alum as an AD in the ACC. We do have some strong ties to ND.

As I said on another thread about Bobinski, the guy is well respected among his peers in the AD world. Some dismiss his small school background and lack of football oversight, but it was his management skills and contacts that most likely attracted the GT powers-that-be.

Put another way, GT wanted someone with oomph in the AD world to help guide the school through the uncertain waters of realignment. That's a subject about which we have by no means heard the last word.

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Sane talk

All he said was "we're not going anywhere unless Dook, UNC, and UVA do". It's public peer pressure. They came out and distributed this bold statement about solidarity and they are holding each other in check.

rock. With all due respect, this is where the fan base at North Carolina is at a total and exponential polar opposite from your administration and faculty.

Do you have any idea whatsoever of how much research funding The University of North Carolina received in fiscal year 2012? OVER 767 MILLION dollars!! That would only rank them 6th in the CIC/Big Ten behind Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio State, and Penn State.

Do you REALLY think that joining the best football Conference is the Administration's highest priority for the betterment of the University??? Heck no. But they have a delusional fan base that thinks their University is a semi-professional sports club. That fan base has put football above academics with a letter writing campaign threatning to withhold funding and donations. The Administration might be FORCED by their fan base to put their University at an academic and research disadvantage by NOT having the opportunity to join a Conference that has their own Academic and Research Consortium, the CIC.

You have to start looking at this from the perspective of the brainiacs that actually make the decisions. Not from the perspective of some fan in the seats.

MOST Presidents and faculty are trying to recruit the best PROFESSORS AND STUDENTS, NOT football players. If I'm trying to recruit the best brain surgeon in the United States, or best students that want to study in that area, would I rather show them my National Championship football trophy, or my collabrative trumatic brain injury research project my University is engaged in through the CIC, and the additional assets and resources I have at my fingertips that other Universities don't. For example:

[The Traumatic Brain Injury Research Collaboration is a collaborative research effort emerging from the Big Ten Athletic Conference, whose mission is to better understand the causes and effects of sport-related concussion and head injuries. Dennis L. Molfese, a professor at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, directs the effort that brings together CIC researchers to work collaboratively on this common problem, giving them access to a larger collection of laboratories, coaches, athletic trainers, scientists, and team physicians.]

Or if I want to recruit the best dermatologist in the United States, or the best dermatology students in the United States, do I show them my National Championship basketball trophy? Or do I show them the research effort that I am cooperating with through the CIC in tattoo electronics for medical purposes? For example:

[Researchers from the CIC Universities of Northwestern University, the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and the University of Wisconsin--Madison have developed “tattoo electronics” -- wireless electronics so flexible and thin they can be applied to the skin and forgotten. The high-performance epidermal electronic system mounts directly onto the skin with the ease, flexibility and comfort of a temporary tattoo. U.S. News & World Report focuses their article on the potential applications of the tattoos. University of Illinois', Dr. Rogers notes that "These devices are essentially invisible to the person who's wearing them so they can be very easily used for monitoring sleep without disrupting sleep patterns or to monitor premature babies, all kinds of scenarios where adhesive tape and wires are just not suitable."]

I REALIZE academic research, and recruiting the best professors and students for that research isn't important to YOU. But to a University President raking in close to $800 MILLION PER YEAR in research dollars (University of North Carolina), football and basketball are small potatoes.

Recruiting the best students and professors is FAR more important to a University President and his faculty than recruiting the best football and basketball players.

Plus, the SEC television numbers right now are all smoke. The SEC's still having trouble renegotiating their 1st tier television rights from the Missouri/A&M additions, let alone trying to decide which business model is best for their upcoming SEC Network. Slive isn't in any financial position to expand yet, but he is being forced to by the Big 10.

Virginia sees the academic and financial drawbacks to the SEC. So does Georgia Tech. Your President still has a chance to see that too. Whether he does or not depends on whether he caves into his fan base.


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& my question is after all of these moves have been made when have you heard "academics" as the driving force?

Point is "academics" are an Internet myth, sure if they're there then great but these things are athletic moves & will be motivated by other factors. "Academics" will be told to shut up & go sit in the corner while the men work.

My prediction comes down to fit & my prediction is UNC & UVa will be split with UVa going to the B1G & UNC going to the SEC. GaTech will join UVa & who joins UNC is a toss up between VaTech & Duke imo

If UNC did come with VaTech, or without Duke or UVa, no worries. Kentucky in basketball & South Carolina in football would provide for MORE than sufficient conference replacement rivalries, total upgrades imo


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--- BuffaloLion wrote:

Virginia is going to the Big 10.

North Carolina is being pulled in two separate directions. Its fans want the SEC, whereas the administration, the faculty, and the accountants want the Big 10.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

GT is trying to get out, Clemson and FSU are leaving, but they don't really want to go to their new home in the Big-12, and they are not going to the SEC.

The school with the most options, UNC, is keeping the cards ( and contacts ) close to the vest, same with the #2 school with options, UVa.

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BL, iirc, rock is a Texas A&M fan.

The University of NC is not going to go to the Big 10. It is not in the interests of our student athletes.

Is it in the best interests of your science and medical researchers that bring in 40 times the amount of money your football and basketball team does?

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BL, iirc, rock is a Texas A&M fan.

The University of NC is not going to go to the Big 10. It is not in the interests of our student athletes.

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The interests of student athletes is about #12,362 on the list of those things that matter in the decision making.




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--- BuffaloLion wrote:

Is it in the best interests of your science and medical researchers that bring in 40 times the amount of money your football and basketball team does?

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BL, iirc, rock is a Texas A&M fan.

The University of NC is not going to go to the Big 10. It is not in the interests of our student athletes.

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While I don't know this for sure but I don't think UNC is hurting for research dollars.

I have all the respect in the world for the Big 10 and its members but I just don't see how it makes since to send our athletes to Lincoln, Ames, and Madison on a regular basis.

We have a great situation right here in the ACC.

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--- BuffaloLion wrote:

Is it in the best interests of your science and medical researchers that bring in 40 times the amount of money your football and basketball team does?

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BL, iirc, rock is a Texas A&M fan.

The University of NC is not going to go to the Big 10. It is not in the interests of our student athletes.

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Buff, you simply have no idea how the undergraduate experience at UNC has been degraded the past decade or so by an admin worshipping at the idol of Research.

The next chancellor will have to be strong and relentless advocate for undergraduate education to start to recover what has been lost.

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rock. With all due respect, this is where the fan base at North Carolina is at a total and exponential polar opposite from your administration and faculty.

Do you have any idea whatsoever of how much research funding The University of North Carolina received in fiscal year 2012? OVER 767 MILLION dollars!! That would only rank them 6th in the CIC/Big Ten behind Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio State, and Penn State.

Do you REALLY think that joining the best football Conference is the Administration's highest priority for the betterment of the University??? Heck no. But they have a delusional fan base that thinks their University is a semi-professional sports club. That fan base has put football above academics with a letter writing campaign threatning to withhold funding and donations. The Administration might be FORCED by their fan base to put their University at an academic and research disadvantage by NOT having the opportunity to join a Conference that has their own Academic and Research Consortium, the CIC.

You have to start looking at this from the perspective of the brainiacs that actually make the decisions. Not from the perspective of some fan in the seats.

MOST Presidents and faculty are trying to recruit the best PROFESSORS AND STUDENTS, NOT football players. If I'm trying to recruit the best brain surgeon in the United States, or best students that want to study in that area, would I rather show them my National Championship football trophy, or my collabrative trumatic brain injury research project my University is engaged in through the CIC, and the additional assets and resources I have at my fingertips that other Universities don't. For example:

[The Traumatic Brain Injury Research Collaboration is a collaborative research effort emerging from the Big Ten Athletic Conference, whose mission is to better understand the causes and effects of sport-related concussion and head injuries. Dennis L. Molfese, a professor at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, directs the effort that brings together CIC researchers to work collaboratively on this common problem, giving them access to a larger collection of laboratories, coaches, athletic trainers, scientists, and team physicians.]

Or if I want to recruit the best dermatologist in the United States, or the best dermatology students in the United States, do I show them my National Championship basketball trophy? Or do I show them the research effort that I am cooperating with through the CIC in tattoo electronics for medical purposes? For example:

[Researchers from the CIC Universities of Northwestern University, the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and the University of Wisconsin--Madison have developed “tattoo electronics” -- wireless electronics so flexible and thin they can be applied to the skin and forgotten. The high-performance epidermal electronic system mounts directly onto the skin with the ease, flexibility and comfort of a temporary tattoo. U.S. News & World Report focuses their article on the potential applications of the tattoos. University of Illinois', Dr. Rogers notes that "These devices are essentially invisible to the person who's wearing them so they can be very easily used for monitoring sleep without disrupting sleep patterns or to monitor premature babies, all kinds of scenarios where adhesive tape and wires are just not suitable."]

I REALIZE academic research, and recruiting the best professors and students for that research isn't important to YOU. But to a University President raking in close to $800 MILLION PER YEAR in research dollars (University of North Carolina), football and basketball are small potatoes.

Recruiting the best students and professors is FAR more important to a University President and his faculty than recruiting the best football and basketball players.

Plus, the SEC television numbers right now are all smoke. The SEC's still having trouble renegotiating their 1st tier television rights from the Missouri/A&M additions, let alone trying to decide which business model is best for their upcoming SEC Network. Slive isn't in any financial position to expand yet, but he is being forced to by the Big 10.

Virginia sees the academic and financial drawbacks to the SEC. So does Georgia Tech. Your President still has a chance to see that too. Whether he does or not depends on whether he caves into his fan base.

God, you are full of crap on every single point you made.

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--- BuffaloLion wrote:

rock. With all due respect, this is where the fan base at North Carolina is at a total and exponential polar opposite from your administration and faculty.

Do you have any idea whatsoever of how much research funding The University of North Carolina received in fiscal year 2012? OVER 767 MILLION dollars!! That would only rank them 6th in the CIC/Big Ten behind Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio State, and Penn State.

Do you REALLY think that joining the best football Conference is the Administration's highest priority for the betterment of the University??? Heck no. But they have a delusional fan base that thinks their University is a semi-professional sports club. That fan base has put football above academics with a letter writing campaign threatning to withhold funding and donations. The Administration might be FORCED by their fan base to put their University at an academic and research disadvantage by NOT having the opportunity to join a Conference that has their own Academic and Research Consortium, the CIC.

You have to start looking at this from the perspective of the brainiacs that actually make the decisions. Not from the perspective of some fan in the seats.

MOST Presidents and faculty are trying to recruit the best PROFESSORS AND STUDENTS, NOT football players. If I'm trying to recruit the best brain surgeon in the United States, or best students that want to study in that area, would I rather show them my National Championship football trophy, or my collabrative trumatic brain injury research project my University is engaged in through the CIC, and the additional assets and resources I have at my fingertips that other Universities don't. For example:

[The Traumatic Brain Injury Research Collaboration is a collaborative research effort emerging from the Big Ten Athletic Conference, whose mission is to better understand the causes and effects of sport-related concussion and head injuries. Dennis L. Molfese, a professor at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, directs the effort that brings together CIC researchers to work collaboratively on this common problem, giving them access to a larger collection of laboratories, coaches, athletic trainers, scientists, and team physicians.]

Or if I want to recruit the best dermatologist in the United States, or the best dermatology students in the United States, do I show them my National Championship basketball trophy? Or do I show them the research effort that I am cooperating with through the CIC in tattoo electronics for medical purposes? For example:

[Researchers from the CIC Universities of Northwestern University, the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and the University of Wisconsin--Madison have developed “tattoo electronics” -- wireless electronics so flexible and thin they can be applied to the skin and forgotten. The high-performance epidermal electronic system mounts directly onto the skin with the ease, flexibility and comfort of a temporary tattoo. U.S. News & World Report focuses their article on the potential applications of the tattoos. University of Illinois', Dr. Rogers notes that "These devices are essentially invisible to the person who's wearing them so they can be very easily used for monitoring sleep without disrupting sleep patterns or to monitor premature babies, all kinds of scenarios where adhesive tape and wires are just not suitable."]

I REALIZE academic research, and recruiting the best professors and students for that research isn't important to YOU. But to a University President raking in close to $800 MILLION PER YEAR in research dollars (University of North Carolina), football and basketball are small potatoes.

Recruiting the best students and professors is FAR more important to a University President and his faculty than recruiting the best football and basketball players.

Plus, the SEC television numbers right now are all smoke. The SEC's still having trouble renegotiating their 1st tier television rights from the Missouri/A&M additions, let alone trying to decide which business model is best for their upcoming SEC Network. Slive isn't in any financial position to expand yet, but he is being forced to by the Big 10.

Virginia sees the academic and financial drawbacks to the SEC. So does Georgia Tech. Your President still has a chance to see that too. Whether he does or not depends on whether he caves into his fan base.


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& my question is after all of these moves have been made when have you heard "academics" as the driving force?

Point is "academics" are an Internet myth, sure if they're there then great but these things are athletic moves & will be motivated by other factors. "Academics" will be told to shut up & go sit in the corner while the men work.

My prediction comes down to fit & my prediction is UNC & UVa will be split with UVa going to the B1G & UNC going to the SEC. GaTech will join UVa & who joins UNC is a toss up between VaTech & Duke imo

If UNC did come with VaTech, or without Duke or UVa, no worries. Kentucky in basketball & South Carolina in football would provide for MORE than sufficient conference replacement rivalries, total upgrades imo


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--- BuffaloLion wrote:

Virginia is going to the Big 10.

North Carolina is being pulled in two separate directions. Its fans want the SEC, whereas the administration, the faculty, and the accountants want the Big 10.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

GT is trying to get out, Clemson and FSU are leaving, but they don't really want to go to their new home in the Big-12, and they are not going to the SEC.

The school with the most options, UNC, is keeping the cards ( and contacts ) close to the vest, same with the #2 school with options, UVa.

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You're right. I don't. Please explain.

How has an influx of close to $800 MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR in research funding "degraded the undergraduate experience at UNC"? Are you saying the University would have been better off without that massive influx of $800 million dollars in research funding?

Now you have me curious. : ^ )

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--- TylerBloodyTyler wrote:

Buff, you simply have no idea how the undergraduate experience at UNC has been degraded the past decade or so by an admin worshipping at the idol of Research.

The next chancellor will have to be strong and relentless advocate for undergraduate education to start to recover what has been lost.

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You are more than welcome to explain? : ^ )

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

God, you are full of crap on every single point you made.

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1) We have faculty who want the Big-10. This you have correct.

2) Rumor has it that most of the administration, shockingly, has little interest in the Big-10.

3) Accountants are saying the SEC has/will have more money.

4) Fans and Athletic Department/Coaches want the SEC. Roy Williams was on the radio saying he preferred the SEC. If you think that doesn't matter, big time, you are insane.

5) The men with the money would not be happy with the big-10. If they aren't happy, very large checks don't get written.

6) Research dollars were already broken down on this site. Points made on that thread: UNC would have been 3rd, not 6th, in the Big-10. The universities you listed count research money by every university in their university system, not just the named university. UNC only lists its own research money. So that skews the numbers.

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--- BuffaloLion wrote:


You are more than welcome to explain? : ^ )

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

God, you are full of crap on every single point you made.

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The more and more B1G nerds come on here and poast about how great their league is and how awesome the CIC would be for Carolina…

…the more and more I want nothing to do with that group of people.

Seriously. Some of you are worse than the mouth-breathers on Pack Pride.

UNC will do what is best for UNC, and right now that's the ACC. It would have to take something almost monumental for that to change, and you can believe that if the ACC does start to crumble UNC will be the power broker holding all the cards, not Delany or Slive.

the invite from the B1G thread got locked so y'all came over here to talk about GT and their new AD...

right?

I love football and have always dreamed of seeing a Tar Heel team win a MNC, so much so that I have saved a pre-season mag from '97 which explained why we would win it all that year...

yup, I bought it hook, line, and sinker...

and that is still the best college D I have ever seen, with 18 of 22 earning a paycheck at least one year in the NFL...

if you were second string at UNC on defense odds are you were good enough to play in the league, as all of the starters made it...

that magazine has an ugly, mostly orange, cover that I have not looked at in years, but I'm never gonna' toss it...

yet I would rather back off big time sports completely than see UNC prostitute itself chasing a buck...

and if that old mag is as close as we ever get, so be it...

don't want the B1G, don't want the SEC...

I'm praying Swofford and Co. have the strength to see their vision come to fruition, and we get to the promised land from the ACC...

in the meantime the trolls can post what they want about conference expansion...

the sort of individual who believes some troll on a message board is privy to "inside" information on the future of the ACC is the guy Ponzi Schemers dream about at night...









Oh, the GT AD is a friend of Bubba's and apparently has his head solidly on his shoulders...

together with our other partners I think they have a chance to pull it off and take the ACC where we all want it to go...

the hard part may be getting Lil' Debbie to sit in the corner and keep quiet...

My 6 answers in brackets, Actually, it DOES look like we agree on some things:

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1)We have faculty who want the Big-10. This you have correct.

[Correct]

2)Rumor has it that most of the administration, shockingly, has little interest in the Big-10.


[Maybe because of that letter writing/email campaign you have going on?]



3)Accountants are saying the SEC has/will have more money.


[What accountants? The SEC still hasn’t been able to renegotiate their 1st tier rights with CBS since they’ve added Missouri and Texas A&M, and there’s absolutely no incentive for CBS to do so?

The SEC came out within the last week and said that they were going to go with a 100% ownership model for their new SEC Network, which means, unlike the Big Ten that is backed by News Corp, the SEC will have to go at it alone. They still haven’t been able to buy back all their 3rd tier rights yet that are scattered all over the place. If ESPN has no ownership rights in the new SEC Network, that Network, will in essence, become a competitor to ESPN just like the Pac 12 Network is to FOX and ESPN. The Pac 12 Network still hasn’t even been able to sign a contract with DTV yet.

I haven’t even gotten to the amount of money ESPN would have to throw into their SEC’s 2nd tier rights package to bring it up to what the Big 10’s opening bid is projected to be in 2017 based on the Maryland figures (FOX expected to open up bidding at between $25 to $30 million per team). Those figures if I posted them would just blow your mind.

Slive has a contract calendar problem that he has no way of getting around, and your accountants are probably well aware of that. He’s pretty much helpless except for renegotiations and look ins until 2024.]



4) Fans and Athletic Department/Coaches want the SEC. Roy Williams was on the radio saying he preferred the SEC. If you think that doesn't matter, big time, you are insane.


[I agree. The jocks are running the show down there.]


5.) The men with the money would not be happy with the big-10. If they aren't happy, very large checks don't get written.
Again.


[Again. Agreed. That’s why your Administration is (outwardly) showing less interest in the Big Ten/CIC than other academically oriented Universities.]



6)Research dollars were already broken down on this site. Points made on that thread: UNC would have been 3rd, not 6th, in the Big-10. The universities you listed count research money by every university in their university system, not just the named university. UNC only lists its own research money. So that skews the numbers.


[Don’t know about your link, but below is the link to the most recent 2011 figures of the top 30 Research Universities as published by the National Science Foundation, everything being equal. As far as North Carolina compared to the Big 10/CIC:

1.) Michigan - 1,279 billion
2.) Wisconsin – 1.112 billion
3.) Minnesota – 847 million
4.) Ohio State – 832 million
5.) Penn State – 795 million
6.) North Carolina – 767 million

Here’s the link: www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf13305/

See. We agree on more than we thought we did, don’t we. : ^ ) ]

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--- BuffaloLion wrote:


You are more than welcome to explain? : ^ )

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

God, you are full of crap on every single point you made.

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MHVer from the wVU bioard, right? I saw where you quit" again...some things don't change do they?

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--- BuffaloLion wrote:

Virginia is going to the Big 10.

North Carolina is being pulled in two separate directions. Its fans want the SEC, whereas the administration, the faculty, and the accountants want the Big 10.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

GT is trying to get out, Clemson and FSU are leaving, but they don't really want to go to their new home in the Big-12, and they are not going to the SEC.

The school with the most options, UNC, is keeping the cards ( and contacts ) close to the vest, same with the #2 school with options, UVa.

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Its sort of difficult to hide one's writing or posting style, isn't it? LOL

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--- UNCsince53 wrote:

MHVer from the wVU bioard, right? I saw where you quit" again...some things don't change do they?

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--- BuffaloLion wrote:

Virginia is going to the Big 10.

North Carolina is being pulled in two separate directions. Its fans want the SEC, whereas the administration, the faculty, and the accountants want the Big 10.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

GT is trying to get out, Clemson and FSU are leaving, but they don't really want to go to their new home in the Big-12, and they are not going to the SEC.

The school with the most options, UNC, is keeping the cards ( and contacts ) close to the vest, same with the #2 school with options, UVa.

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Its good to see you guys aren't falling for propaganda from visitors such as me and the B1G crowd. I read posts here from time to time and have said very little. In fact, I wish things would stay as they are but we hear of 'rumblings' all the time. To be honest, if things stay 'as is' the SEC will become even more powerful, imo. I just want everyone to get along and it does get old trying to one up the Jones'.

I don't remember which phase we are in but UT is spending over 200 million dollars upgrading Neyland Stadium, the locker and weight room, athletic recreation area, etc. Heck, they have shrunk Neyland to grab more money with the addition of more suites. More money to be made with a few more of the ritzy boxes at the expense of fewer seats.

My best to UNC and the ACC. It seems as if your conference is in the crosshairs of others. Maybe things can go your way.

Funny how a conference can claim they have the 14 best football teams in America but when it comes to expansion they are afraid of what Clemson and FSU would do to their conference. Lets face it, has a whole the ACC football teams are weak, but FSU and Cu would have been one of your top 5 or 6 teams this year. You guys have become one of the bottom tier teams in the SEC and you come to ACC sites to talk trash.

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Its good to see you guys aren't falling for propaganda from visitors such as me and the B1G crowd. I read posts here from time to time and have said very little. In fact, I wish things would stay as they are but we hear of 'rumblings' all the time. To be honest, if things stay 'as is' the SEC will become even more powerful, imo. I just want everyone to get along and it does get old trying to one up the Jones'.

I don't remember which phase we are in but UT is spending over 200 million dollars upgrading Neyland Stadium, the locker and weight room, athletic recreation area, etc. Heck, they have shrunk Neyland to grab more money with the addition of more suites. More money to be made with a few more of the ritzy boxes at the expense of fewer seats.

My best to UNC and the ACC. It seems as if your conference is in the crosshairs of others. Maybe things can go your way.

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BL, you said "the jocks are running the show down there". Now you are just being disrespectful to us. You have NO idea what you are talking about. Our athletic/athletic problems were isolated to 2 people in one department and it has been proven that those problems were not athletic driven.

I will put UNC's academic integrity up against ANY B1G program save NW. You need to just run along now.

When someone comes in bragging about the CIC like it makes a damn bit of difference to any faculty or administrator or brings one extra $ in research money, rest assured they haven't the foggiest F&@ clue what they are talking about, as anyone that actually spent any time in academic research will tell you.

Despite that, the ACCIAC has essentially the same programs set up as the CIC, and its members, on average, are higher ranked academic institutions. The ACCIAC is also the only academic consortium that actually distributes research money, in the form of undergrad research fellowships, as token of an amount as that is.

UNC is the ACC. We will decide what happens and not you.

Ha! Whats funny is wishing someone the best is viewed as talking trash??? Better read my post again. You don't like well wishes?

Yes, we are now one of the bottom feeders but at least we are in the SEC. How much you spending to try and better the football team? You think we are afraid of competition? I think Bobby Bowden was afraid of competition and look what shape FSU is in now.

Clemson and FSU are good teams but you can keep them. Would like to have them competition wise but they will bring no viewers to the footprint. FSU had their chance but that ship has sailed away.

The SEC also has an academic consortium (the SECAC). Here is a link to some articles that talk about it: www.secdigitalnetwork.com/AcademicConsortium

It is still in its infancy, especially in comparison with the CIC. But in time, it could be very beneficial for the SEC schools just like I'm sure the ACCIAC is/will be for the ACC schools. And if the ACC does end up imploding, adding schools like UNC and Duke would be a huge benefit for the SECAC.

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When someone comes in bragging about the CIC like it makes a damn bit of difference to any faculty or administrator or brings one extra $ in research money, rest assured they haven't the foggiest F&@ clue what they are talking about, as anyone that actually spent any time in academic research will tell you.

Despite that, the ACCIAC has essentially the same programs set up as the CIC, and its members, on average, are higher ranked academic institutions. The ACCIAC is also the only academic consortium that actually distributes research money, in the form of undergrad research fellowships, as token of an amount as that is.

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Greene is a tiger, he is just butthurt that clemson has zero chance to ever be in the SEC. They have two options, stay in the ACC and pray, or go to the Big-12.

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--- TennesseeVolSEC wrote:

Ha! Whats funny is wishing someone the best is viewed as talking trash??? Better read my post again. You don't like well wishes?

Yes, we are now one of the bottom feeders but at least we are in the SEC. How much you spending to try and better the football team? You think we are afraid of competition? I think Bobby Bowden was afraid of competition and look what shape FSU is in now.

Clemson and FSU are good teams but you can keep them. Would like to have them competition wise but they will bring no viewers to the footprint. FSU had their chance but that ship has sailed away.

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If you're looking at this issue, solely from the football perspective, quality of female talent at away venues, and ease of travelling (driveability), its hard to want anything but the SEC. I get all that from some UNCs football fans perspective.

But if UNC wants to associate with like-minded academic, mostly non-cheating institutions, than the B1G is a much better fit, and changes can be minimized:

- You would still play GT and Md in conference and could play Duke and State OOC
- You could play Rutgers, PSU and a number of B1G schools for your in conference games
- Things could be organized so that you have two driveable and two not so driveable road games; this would be a change from your current situation where nearly every road game is driveable. If y'all were to join the SEC, you would probably have a few SEC games which were non driveable anyways.

Ga Tech is not going to sell many more tickets if they jump ship. SEC only wants UNC or UVA (or maybe vaTech).

Bottom line is we have to get better in footall. That will solve all our worries. Recriit better, coach better, and schedule more SEC, Big 10 opponents. The latter is most important, IMO.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

GT is trying to get out, Clemson and FSU are leaving, but they don't really want to go to their new home in the Big-12, and they are not going to the SEC.

The school with the most options, UNC, is keeping the cards ( and contacts ) close to the vest, same with the #2 school with options, UVa.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

1) We have faculty who want the Big-10. This you have correct.

2) Rumor has it that most of the administration, shockingly, has little interest in the Big-10.

3) Accountants are saying the SEC has/will have more money.

4) Fans and Athletic Department/Coaches want the SEC. Roy Williams was on the radio saying he preferred the SEC. If you think that doesn't matter, big time, you are insane.

5) The men with the money would not be happy with the big-10. If they aren't happy, very large checks don't get written.

6) Research dollars were already broken down on this site. Points made on that thread: UNC would have been 3rd, not 6th, in the Big-10. The universities you listed count research money by every university in their university system, not just the named university. UNC only lists its own research money. So that skews the numbers.

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You are more than welcome to explain? : ^ )

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

God, you are full of crap on every single point you made.

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Thank you Shadow. We all want the ACC to succeed but if it doesn't we have no moral duty to save a rustbelt conference which offers little new opportunities to Carolina in academics/research and would destroy athletics. The rustbelt conference has bet their future on a technology which will be obsolete within 5 years. They bet the ranch on money derived from extortion for a very inferior product and new technology will kill it. Idiots. We aren't buying it.

Yes those road trips to places like Iowa, Minnesota, Chicago, New Jersey, College Park and Illinois will blow away road trips to Gainsville Fl., Knoxville Tn., Athens Ga, Oxford Miss, and Alabama.

Nice try.

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--- Rutgersal wrote:

If you're looking at this issue, solely from the football perspective, quality of female talent at away venues, and ease of travelling (driveability), its hard to want anything but the SEC. I get all that from some UNCs football fans perspective.

But if UNC wants to associate with like-minded academic, mostly non-cheating institutions, than the B1G is a much better fit, and changes can be minimized:

- You would still play GT and Md in conference and could play Duke and State OOC
- You could play Rutgers, PSU and a number of B1G schools for your in conference games
- Things could be organized so that you have two driveable and two not so driveable road games; this would be a change from your current situation where nearly every road game is driveable. If y'all were to join the SEC, you would probably have a few SEC games which were non driveable anyways.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

1) We have faculty who want the Big-10. This you have correct.

2) Rumor has it that most of the administration, shockingly, has little interest in the Big-10.

3) Accountants are saying the SEC has/will have more money.

4) Fans and Athletic Department/Coaches want the SEC. Roy Williams was on the radio saying he preferred the SEC. If you think that doesn't matter, big time, you are insane.

5) The men with the money would not be happy with the big-10. If they aren't happy, very large checks don't get written.

6) Research dollars were already broken down on this site. Points made on that thread: UNC would have been 3rd, not 6th, in the Big-10. The universities you listed count research money by every university in their university system, not just the named university. UNC only lists its own research money. So that skews the numbers.

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--- BuffaloLion wrote:


You are more than welcome to explain? : ^ )

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

God, you are full of crap on every single point you made.

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Thank you Shadow. We all want the ACC to succeed but if it doesn't we have no moral duty to save a rustbelt conference which offers little new opportunities to Carolina in academics/research and would destroy athletics. The rustbelt conference has bet their future on a technology which will be obsolete within 5 years. They bet the ranch on money derived from extortion for a very inferior product and new technology will kill it. Idiots. We aren't buying it.

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Excellent point. The Big 10 is chasing cable subscriptions and the SEC is actually trying to improve their league. In the end my money is on the SEC in terms of generating long term value for its members.

Your comment about a soon to be obsolete technology with regard to monopolistic cable companies is spot on. Internet TV is just in its infancy and will eventually replace TV as we know it. And all of it will be a la carte instead of the tier setups cable companies have now.

For instance two years ago I just wanted to add ESPN-U but had to buy the Time Warner Cable tier that included the Big 10 network; the Pac-12 network; and Fox Sports to get that one station. That setup will not exist on Internet TV. The Big 10 is betting the ranch and making the revenue projections based on the fact that setup is going to be around forever.

I for one think the ACC is not going anywhere. But if the worst does happen; UNC is going to the SEC.