According to ESPN, Miami should receive their notice of allegations sometime later this week. Be interesting to see if all that self flaggelating they did does any good.

The notice of allegations won't address possible punishment. It will probably be another year before anyone finds out if Miami's self-flaggelating had any affect on that.

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--- redhotchiliheel wrote:

According to ESPN, Miami should receive their notice of allegations sometime later this week. Be interesting to see if all that self flaggelating they did does any good.

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I have a feeling there will be a lot of alligators...

Self-flagellating will get you off easy with the authorities? Great--I've got it made if I ever get arrested!

Reminds me of the John Belushi skit on SNN as a bee addicted to buzzing off. That show was FUNNY back then.

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--- Heat Mizer wrote:

Self-flagellating will get you off easy with the authorities? Great--I've got it made if I ever get arrested!

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If the prostitute stories, the money, and the abortion stories hold up, they are done. Maybe not the death penalty, but it will be BAD. I would not want anything to do with this program right now. They are in serious trouble. On another note, how do y'all like Larry Fedora so far? I think it was a good hire for UNC, hopefully he gets things turned around and UNC back on top.

Coral Gables is another world.

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Reminds me of the John Belushi skit on SNN as a bee addicted to buzzing off. That show was FUNNY back then.

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Yeah, SNL was really funny back in the day. How about the 90s? Myers, Carvey, Farley, Hartman, Spade, Ferrel, O'Terri, and company. Man, those were the glory days.

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--- jdheel88 wrote:

Reminds me of the John Belushi skit on SNN as a bee addicted to buzzing off. That show was FUNNY back then.

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Yeah, SNL was really funny back in the day. How about the 90s? Myers, Carvey, Farley, Hartman, Spade, Ferrel, O'Terri, and company. Man, those were the glory days.

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Chris Rock was there in the 90s too. Eddie Murphy was a boss on SNL in the early 80s.

come on dude. I said flagellating. Not masturbating.
That's what our wuffie neighbors do. That's why they seem to be immune from persecution from the NO.
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Self-flagellating will get you off easy with the authorities? Great--I've got it made if I ever get arrested!

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And to answer your question my good friend, we are so happy with Coach Fedora, we can't feel our arms.

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If the prostitute stories, the money, and the abortion stories hold up, they are done. Maybe not the death penalty, but it will be BAD. I would not want anything to do with this program right now. They are in serious trouble. On another note, how do y'all like Larry Fedora so far? I think it was a good hire for UNC, hopefully he gets things turned around and UNC back on top.

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Unfortunately, neither can our defense :-P
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--- redhotchiliheel wrote:

And to answer your question my good friend, we are so happy with Coach Fedora, we can't feel our arms.

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--- fishnfrank wrote:

If the prostitute stories, the money, and the abortion stories hold up, they are done. Maybe not the death penalty, but it will be BAD. I would not want anything to do with this program right now. They are in serious trouble. On another note, how do y'all like Larry Fedora so far? I think it was a good hire for UNC, hopefully he gets things turned around and UNC back on top.

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That's funny, and i'm glad you like him. I know my father in law was ready to get rid of your last coach. He made him so mad.

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Unfortunately, neither can our defense :-P
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--- redhotchiliheel wrote:

And to answer your question my good friend, we are so happy with Coach Fedora, we can't feel our arms.

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--- fishnfrank wrote:

If the prostitute stories, the money, and the abortion stories hold up, they are done. Maybe not the death penalty, but it will be BAD. I would not want anything to do with this program right now. They are in serious trouble. On another note, how do y'all like Larry Fedora so far? I think it was a good hire for UNC, hopefully he gets things turned around and UNC back on top.

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It is Ironic, isn't it! The Wolpies and all the other ABC crowd was so pathetically scared of Butch Davis's recruiting prowess that thier main goal was to see him fired. Well, they got thier wish and Davis is gone, our name and reputation is somewhat tarnished, but, what they meant for bad was actually a blessing in disguise. Yes, Butch Davis is gone, but now Coach Fedora is the coach. And along with his new high powered offense, his above average recruiting and in my opinion, his superior on field coaching, what they meant to harm us, is actually the cure to what ailed us! So, thanks aggies, I mean this from the bottom of my heart!!!

^ not only that, but it led to the ouster of TOBy as collateral damage. Oh YEAH!

I do have to say that UNC caught a lot of unnessecary flack for what happened. People are going to hate no matter what when its a big name school. Had it been ECU or Kent St, they wouldn't have got near the heat. Of course a lot of the haters were NCst and FSU fans. But that's ok. UNC still came out on top with a good coach.

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It is Ironic, isn't it! The Wolpies and all the other ABC crowd was so pathetically scared of Butch Davis's recruiting prowess that thier main goal was to see him fired. Well, they got thier wish and Davis is gone, our name and reputation is somewhat tarnished, but, what they meant for bad was actually a blessing in disguise. Yes, Butch Davis is gone, but now Coach Fedora is the coach. And along with his new high powered offense, his above average recruiting and in my opinion, his superior on field coaching, what they meant to harm us, is actually the cure to what ailed us! So, thanks aggies, I mean this from the bottom of my heart!!!

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If the prostitute stories, the money, and the abortion stories hold up, they are done. Maybe not the death penalty, but it will be BAD. I would not want anything to do with this program right now. They are in serious trouble. On another note, how do y'all like Larry Fedora so far? I think it was a good hire for UNC, hopefully he gets things turned around and UNC back on top.

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It won't be bad. IMO, at most, one more bowl ban and 20-25 schollies over 3 years.

I agree ^ probably something like that, but it IS the NCAA so all bets are off.

Wow I just went and read the Yahoo Sports article, which I had never read before. This is death penalty type of stuff. It is really bad, their punishment has to be significantly harsher than ours. We never had anything that systematic and just that dirty. It is probably the worst thing I have ever heard of in college sports.

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Wow I just went and read the Yahoo Sports article, which I had never read before. This is death penalty type of stuff. It is really bad, their punishment has to be significantly harsher than ours. We never had anything that systematic and just that dirty. It is probably the worst thing I have ever heard of in college sports.

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Are you serious? I'm guessing you don't know much about the history of college football, and you also seem very willing to take everything in the Yahoo story at face value--which defies logic, given that Shapiro is a pathological liar and felon who bilked hundreds of people out of nearly a billion dollars in a Ponzi scheme.

This isn't horrible in the grand scheme of things. One booster giving players stuff once they arrived on campus.

No massive involvement from the administration of the university. No players being bought out of high school. No academic violations. No criminal allegations.

Heck, honestly this stuff is much more minor than what Miami was punished for back in the 90s. Not to mention what SMU, Baylor, Florida, Tennessee, USC, Penn State, Auburn, and several other programs have been punished for over the years.

You should read up on what Oklahoma did in the 80s. Or what Clemson did during that era.

Pretty much everything you said didn't happen is documented in this article, except for academic violations. And it doesn't seem to just be one pissed off criminal throwing around accusations. Yahoo sports did their homework and had lots of it corroborated by third parties.

Illegal Benefits for over 70 players in both cash and services.
Prostitutes for many student athletes (even providing hotel rooms and a luxury yacht for them to bring the prostitutes to).
Bounties on Chris Rix and Tim Tebow, looks like Vilma actually got his bounty start long before the Saints.
Buying Recruits, with complicity of the coach (Haith).
Agents buying players.
Trying to pick a fight with the compliance director in a luxury suite at a game for not letting you have more access to the players!

It is pretty bad.

sports.yahoo.com/investigation...benefits_081611

You have me on Penn state, what they did is worse than anything Miami is accused of.

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Pretty much everything you said didn't happen is documented in this article, except for academic violations. And it doesn't seem to just be one pissed off criminal throwing around accusations. Yahoo sports did their homework and had lots of it corroborated by third parties.

Illegal Benefits for over 70 players in both cash and services.
Prostitutes for many student athletes (even providing hotel rooms and a luxury yacht for them to bring the prostitutes to).
Bounties on Chris Rix and Tim Tebow, looks like Vilma actually got his bounty start long before the Saints.
Buying Recruits, with complicity of the coach (Haith).
Agents buying players.
Trying to pick a fight with the compliance director in a luxury suite at a game for not letting you have more access to the players!

It is pretty bad.

sports.yahoo.com/investigation...benefits_081611

You have me on Penn state, what they did is worse than anything Miami is accused of.

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Except that it's not documented at all. The Yahoo article is based solely on the word of Shapiro, a con artist serving a very hefty sentence in a federal prison for bilking people out of nearly a billion dollars.

It's really not worth my time to pick apart all the ways that it's illogical to take the Yahoo report as gospel, especially since you seem so convinced that it's all true. But if you've been following the investigation at all, you'd know that many (not all, of course) of Shapiro's claims have either been found false, or, at the very least, there has been not enough evidence to corroborate them.

The allegations against Haith regarding the recruitment of Dequan Jones? Well, Shapiro's claims don't even match up in terms of the possible dates that it could have happened. The NCAA tried to dig something up, but apparently couldn't find anything. Jones and his family denied. Haith denied. No hard evidence. UM even held Jones out of a few ball games last year while the NCAA investigated...when they didn't find anything, Jones was reinstated and played the rest of the season.

That's just one example.

But, just for the sake of argument, let's say it's all true. Shapiro bought hookers and blow for the whole team for 10 years straight. He paid for 1 basketball player to commit to Miami. He worked as a pseudo-agent to get UM players signed.

None of that compares to stuff like SMU--where everyone from the president of the university, to the board of trustees, to every coach staff, were all involved in paying players and providing players with cars, houses, money, etc.

None of that compares to Baylor, where a basketball coach covered up the murder of one of his players (committed by another of his players) to conceal the fact that he was paying the murdered kid's way.

None of that compares to the stuff that went down at Oklahoma during the 80s, where players raped a girl in a dorm, one player shot two others, another player was arrested for selling crack to an undercover FBI agent, another player robbed the head coach's home, and still other players received personal checks from the coach (Switzer), scalped game tickets, free airline tickets, and received boatloads of money from bidding wars during their recruitment.

I hope that you are right and that a thorough investigation exonerates UM. In its current weakened state, the ACC needs its traditional football powers to be operating at full capacity.

SMU and Oklahoma were pretty egregious and while I know they were bad, I admit I am not that familiar with the details of those stories and don't really want to put in the time reading up on them. I will take your word for it that they were worse than UM. I do view the UM accusations as worse than the Baylor ones on an institutional level. Of course the result, a dead player, is worse than the result of the UM problems. But at Baylor the problem was contained to one bad coach. At UM it seemed to have affected many people over many years.

I do wish UM well, I have no particular dislike for their program. But the NCAA established a very harsh track record with us and OSU recently. If the benefits our players received were enough to warrant probabation, 3 yrs of scholarship reductions, and a one year post season ban, then it stands to reason that you guys will get worse. The problem seemed more widespread, and while of a similar nature (impermissible benefits) much more egregious (the prostitute stuff really gives it some headline generating kick).

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Except that it's not documented at all. The Yahoo article is based solely on the word of Shapiro, a con artist serving a very hefty sentence in a federal prison for bilking people out of nearly a billion dollars.
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Did you miss the part of the article that said it was corroborated by 21 people including 9 former players?

No, personally I hope what Miami has done thus far placates the NCAA. A stronger Miami is good for the ACC. But man, I don't know. I take everything said in that article with a grain of salt, because I've known Yahoo! To be a little less than accurate with some of their stories. But it doesn't look good. And Miami has done a lot of self punishing. They know they did something wrong. I personally hope they get probation or something. Because this could be bad. We Tar Heel fans should know what its like to have our chains yanked by the NCAA, and I genuinely feel bad for hurricane fans. And this bad ass attitude that the NCAA seems to have recently developed with schools outside the SEC does not bode well for the canes.

if holding themselves out of two years of bowls isn't viewed favorably, then the ncaa is just asking for schools to not cooperate with them

have they limited their scholarships as well?

how much of what was reported was within a statute of limitations?

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Except that it's not documented at all. The Yahoo article is based solely on the word of Shapiro, a con artist serving a very hefty sentence in a federal prison for bilking people out of nearly a billion dollars.
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Did you miss the part of the article that said it was corroborated by 21 people including 9 former players?

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he may have also missed the self-penalization as well; no school would do that if the allegations weren't true

If they IN FACT did do what they are accused of, and it is documented, then they deserve everything they have coming to them, and I believe it won't be good. If it is not documented, then I hope that they are not unjustly punished, and they learn from it and clean the program up. I do not wish unjust punishment on any institution, no matter whether I like them or not, there are a lot of kids out there that love these colleges they go to and dream their whole childhood of going there one day, and for them to be punished for what somebody else " May have done " is not right. I think a lot of people share this same outlook and that is probably why they are doing their homework and taking their time on handing down a punishment.

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Except that it's not documented at all. The Yahoo article is based solely on the word of Shapiro, a con artist serving a very hefty sentence in a federal prison for bilking people out of nearly a billion dollars.
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Did you miss the part of the article that said it was corroborated by 21 people including 9 former players?

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Actually, I didn't miss either of those things, nor have I contended that UM is innocent. I should have worded my post differently. Obviously Shapiro gave some bennies to players. The sources in the article corroborate that. The issue is how many bennies, and how many players...which it seems that Shapiro greatly exaggerated, and which the sources do not corroborate.

A couple more instances:

--Shapiro alleged that he gave two $50k cars to an ex-UM player (Vince Wilfork, I believe). Yet to date, no records or witnesses corroborate that. The Yahoo investigation took it at face value and ran with it anyway.
--Shapiro alleged in the Yahoo article that he gave tens of thousands of dollars in gifts to multiple recent UM players--guys who were still on the team in 2011. UM suspended the players in question while the NCAA investigated, ultimately finding that the players had received less than 8k in bennies between them all, in total. So UM had them each repay the small amounts they'd received (mostly as a result of a dinner at an expensive restaurant and a few drinks at a club) and the NCAA reinstated them.

Again, I'm not saying UM is innocent. They obviously didn't do their due diligence in sniffing out this little rat and putting an end to things, as evidenced by their self-imposing 2 post-season bans and suspending the players in question.

That said, it should be clear to anyone who's been following the case that the Yahoo article was filled with a lot of half-truths and exaggerations. The hookers, coke, abortion, etc...none of those were corroborated by anyone in the Yahoo report, but the reporter ran with it because it makes good copy and gets people all riled up.

Good point. But I also wonder how the NCAA will view Miami's past history of misbehavior. I know the incidents are separated by years, but if the NCAA decides to factor in the Luke fiasco of the early nineties, it could get ugly.

Believe me, if anyone knows about half truths and exaggeration it's us. I can't help but feel at least a little sympathy for any school that has to go through an NCAA cavity search with the obvious exception being the agdogs. That place can burn to the ground tonight and it wouldn't bother me in the least.

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Believe me, if anyone knows about half truths and exaggeration it's us. I can't help but feel at least a little sympathy for any school that has to go through an NCAA cavity search with the obvious exception being the agdogs. That place can burn to the ground tonight and it wouldn't bother me in the least.

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Agdogs=NCS.

Roer that. Got it