This is not a court of law and people say all kinds of stupid stuff on message boards. If that's your bar, cool. Your statement, "Blake was as dirty as they come. He broke far more rules than he was accused of" is not stated as an opinion. You've convinced yourself based on what you've seen and heard but that doesn't make it factual and true. I proper statement of opinion would have begun with "I think" or "I believe" or "Based on what I've heard and seen, it's my opinion that"

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I wasn't aware this was a court of law where I had to meet the burden of proof. I was actually under the impression where this was a message board where people pretty much say whatever they want

It's my opinion. I've heard stories of gift-giving from an agent. Like I said, this agent used the term "black santa" before the news even broke and before "the ol ball sack".

Like I said, the circumstantial evidence (things I've heard from people in the know, his reputation, Butch's statement, the money from Wichard, the players who worked out at Wichard's gym, the show cause penalty, and his resignation) leads me to believe he was a dirty coach. It's the opinion of 99% percent of the fans out there (including OU fans).

If you want to continue to deny it, that's fine. I've looked at the evidence and made up my mind. Sorry if you don't like it

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I don't think it is appropriate to say "as dirty as they come" without proof and I haven't seen you or anyone else provide that. As far as the "black santa" thing the only coach I have heard use that was the ol ball sack and I'm sure he would have his facts pure before he stated something like that (rolls eyes). The only concern I have with Blake is Butch's statement and that does bother me but I still require proof. As for the show cause penalty we know that the NCAA would never assume or jump to conclusions nor would they ever use anything other than accepted legal process to punish someone for not doing what they consider cooperating completely. You might want to try adding a little proof before making such a statement.

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Blake was as dirty as they come. He broke far more rules than he was accused of

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After 25+ years of coaching not one NCAA violation has been found against him but your punk wolpfack butt has the audacity to post a complete lie. Why is the aggie not banned?

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whoa a little wound up there. I hate state with a passion and have never once said a positive word about them. I was a big Butch fan and was on his side through it all. I couldn't be further from the anti-butch or pro-wolfpack side. I hate the N&O right along with them.

Blake has a horrible reputation in the coaching profession. This was known when he came to UNC. There is also a reason that Butch has said he was sorry that he trusted Blake. There is a reason that Blake has a show-cause penalty. Also, before we were even slightly in the news, I heard from an agent that Blake was referred to as "black santa claus" by his peers in the industry

Don't know why you would so passionately defend blake and attack me. I know there are a lot of "deny til you die" people on this board but I thought it was generally accepted that Blake was dirty. I have looked at all the circumstantial evidence and the verdict is obvious to me. If you disagree, that's fine. Doesn't really matter, this is old news and UNC football is back on the way up

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Virtually nothing on this board is factual and true. but fine, I'll edit it

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--- CharlotteTarHeel wrote:

This is not a court of law and people say all kinds of stupid stuff on message boards. If that's your bar, cool. Your statement, "Blake was as dirty as they come. He broke far more rules than he was accused of" is not stated as an opinion. You've convinced yourself based on what you've seen and heard but that doesn't make it factual and true. I proper statement of opinion would have begun with "I think" or "I believe" or "Based on what I've heard and seen, it's my opinion that"

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--- dtownheel17 wrote:

I wasn't aware this was a court of law where I had to meet the burden of proof. I was actually under the impression where this was a message board where people pretty much say whatever they want

It's my opinion. I've heard stories of gift-giving from an agent. Like I said, this agent used the term "black santa" before the news even broke and before "the ol ball sack".

Like I said, the circumstantial evidence (things I've heard from people in the know, his reputation, Butch's statement, the money from Wichard, the players who worked out at Wichard's gym, the show cause penalty, and his resignation) leads me to believe he was a dirty coach. It's the opinion of 99% percent of the fans out there (including OU fans).

If you want to continue to deny it, that's fine. I've looked at the evidence and made up my mind. Sorry if you don't like it

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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:

I don't think it is appropriate to say "as dirty as they come" without proof and I haven't seen you or anyone else provide that. As far as the "black santa" thing the only coach I have heard use that was the ol ball sack and I'm sure he would have his facts pure before he stated something like that (rolls eyes). The only concern I have with Blake is Butch's statement and that does bother me but I still require proof. As for the show cause penalty we know that the NCAA would never assume or jump to conclusions nor would they ever use anything other than accepted legal process to punish someone for not doing what they consider cooperating completely. You might want to try adding a little proof before making such a statement.

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--- dtownheel17 wrote:

Blake was as dirty as they come. He broke far more rules than he was accused of

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After 25+ years of coaching not one NCAA violation has been found against him but your punk wolpfack butt has the audacity to post a complete lie. Why is the aggie not banned?

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whoa a little wound up there. I hate state with a passion and have never once said a positive word about them. I was a big Butch fan and was on his side through it all. I couldn't be further from the anti-butch or pro-wolfpack side. I hate the N&O right along with them.

Blake has a horrible reputation in the coaching profession. This was known when he came to UNC. There is also a reason that Butch has said he was sorry that he trusted Blake. There is a reason that Blake has a show-cause penalty. Also, before we were even slightly in the news, I heard from an agent that Blake was referred to as "black santa claus" by his peers in the industry

Don't know why you would so passionately defend blake and attack me. I know there are a lot of "deny til you die" people on this board but I thought it was generally accepted that Blake was dirty. I have looked at all the circumstantial evidence and the verdict is obvious to me. If you disagree, that's fine. Doesn't really matter, this is old news and UNC football is back on the way up

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--- dtownheel17 wrote:

I wasn't aware this was a court of law where I had to meet the burden of proof. I was actually under the impression where this was a message board where people pretty much say whatever they want

It's my opinion. I've heard stories of gift-giving from an agent. Like I said, this agent used the term "black santa" before the news even broke and before "the ol ball sack".

Like I said, the circumstantial evidence (things I've heard from people in the know, his reputation, Butch's statement, the money from Wichard, the players who worked out at Wichard's gym, the show cause penalty, and his resignation) leads me to believe he was a dirty coach. It's the opinion of 99% percent of the fans out there (including OU fans).

If you want to continue to deny it, that's fine. I've looked at the evidence and made up my mind. Sorry if you don't like it

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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:

I don't think it is appropriate to say "as dirty as they come" without proof and I haven't seen you or anyone else provide that. As far as the "black santa" thing the only coach I have heard use that was the ol ball sack and I'm sure he would have his facts pure before he stated something like that (rolls eyes). The only concern I have with Blake is Butch's statement and that does bother me but I still require proof. As for the show cause penalty we know that the NCAA would never assume or jump to conclusions nor would they ever use anything other than accepted legal process to punish someone for not doing what they consider cooperating completely. You might want to try adding a little proof before making such a statement.

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--- dtownheel17 wrote:

Blake was as dirty as they come. He broke far more rules than he was accused of

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After 25+ years of coaching not one NCAA violation has been found against him but your punk wolpfack butt has the audacity to post a complete lie. Why is the aggie not banned?

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whoa a little wound up there. I hate state with a passion and have never once said a positive word about them. I was a big Butch fan and was on his side through it all. I couldn't be further from the anti-butch or pro-wolfpack side. I hate the N&O right along with them.

Blake has a horrible reputation in the coaching profession. This was known when he came to UNC. There is also a reason that Butch has said he was sorry that he trusted Blake. There is a reason that Blake has a show-cause penalty. Also, before we were even slightly in the news, I heard from an agent that Blake was referred to as "black santa claus" by his peers in the industry

Don't know why you would so passionately defend blake and attack me. I know there are a lot of "deny til you die" people on this board but I thought it was generally accepted that Blake was dirty. I have looked at all the circumstantial evidence and the verdict is obvious to me. If you disagree, that's fine. Doesn't really matter, this is old news and UNC football is back on the way up

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this is the most laughable garbage of all...

there are 2 posibilities; either you have specific evidence of wrong-doing by JB, which means you have facts, or you have the clumsy, lying, innuendo of the ABCer, which is nothing but nebulous garbage, and clearly isn't fooling anyone here...

OTOH, this is the first I have heard of JB getting a 3 year show-cause order...

does anyone know if that can be found anywhere on the NCAA web-site?

I googled and found this article below, much of which is unsubstantiated garbage; the author wasn't intelligent enough to see that what he wrote about Blake might have applied to much of what he wrote about BD and UNC...

sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012...ions/index.html