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Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong and
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Posted: 1/13/2013 8:08 PM
Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong and
did he actually do anything wrong?
IIRC, he was accused of being directing players towards Wichard. Was he successful in doing that?
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Posted: 1/13/2013 8:27 PM
RE: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong an
He had strong ties with Wichard (who has since died), but if I remember correctly, Wichard only got a few clients from the Blake pipeline.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 8:44 PM
RE: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong an
just when i thought i was out, they pull me back IN.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 8:57 PM
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Based off of things I've heard from people in the business, Blake was as dirty as they come. I believe he broke far more rules than he was accused of. I know many disagree but that's my opinion based on the circumstantial evidence
Last edited 1/15/2013 4:27 PM by dtownheel17
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:04 PM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
^ Bull****!!!!!
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:05 PM
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and you know this how?
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:06 PM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
IIRC, he didn't steer any UNC players to Wichard.
^IF you are going to say he was dirty then tell why? Don't act like the N&O.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:07 PM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
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^ Bull****!!!!!
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:10 PM
RE: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong an
How many Saban players has Jimmy Sexton raked in since Nick's been at Bama?
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:46 PM
RE: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong an
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Blake was as dirty as they come. He broke far more rules than he was accused of
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After 25+ years of coaching not one NCAA violation has been found against him but your punk wolpfack butt has the audacity to post a complete lie. Why is the aggie not banned?
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:54 PM
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Blake was as dirty as they come. He broke far more rules than he was accused of
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Post some proof, or you're proven to be a liar.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 10:37 PM
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Ban the OP. Look at post history and get this ****** out of here.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 11:17 PM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
For all the negative things you hear about Blake from so many people, I have yet to find where there was EVER any proof that he broke any rules. The only player ever associated with him that signed with Wichard is Kentwan Balmer and he only played for Blake for one year. Rex Ryan has already stated that he contacted Wichard about Balmer after noticing him when scouting another player. Everyone made such a big deal about all the phone calls between Blake and Wichard. Everyone assumed they MUST be involved in something illegal until it became known they were best friends and Wichard had terminal cancer. Although the calls seemed to make sense under those circumstances, people still state as "fact" that he was dirty. But again, NOBODY has ever presented any proof of anything.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 5:34 AM
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For all the negative things you hear about Blake from so many people, I have yet to find where there was EVER any proof that he broke any rules. The only player ever associated with him that signed with Wichard is Kentwan Balmer and he only played for Blake for one year. Rex Ryan has already stated that he contacted Wichard about Balmer after noticing him when scouting another player. Everyone made such a big deal about all the phone calls between Blake and Wichard. Everyone assumed they MUST be involved in something illegal until it became known they were best friends and Wichard had terminal cancer. Although the calls seemed to make sense under those circumstances, people still state as "fact" that he was dirty. But again, NOBODY has ever presented any proof of anything.
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Thank you 88Heel, that is exactly what I was looking for.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 7:15 AM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
And we are discussing this topic now, Why?
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Posted: 1/14/2013 8:00 AM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
Blake's big crime was not using good judgement. He got loans from Wichard and knew it looked bad so he tried to cover it up. Also lied about not working for Wichard. Bad judgment? Yes. Did it give UNC any competitive advantage? Absolutely not.
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For all the negative things you hear about Blake from so many people, I have yet to find where there was EVER any proof that he broke any rules. The only player ever associated with him that signed with Wichard is Kentwan Balmer and he only played for Blake for one year. Rex Ryan has already stated that he contacted Wichard about Balmer after noticing him when scouting another player. Everyone made such a big deal about all the phone calls between Blake and Wichard. Everyone assumed they MUST be involved in something illegal until it became known they were best friends and Wichard had terminal cancer. Although the calls seemed to make sense under those circumstances, people still state as "fact" that he was dirty. But again, NOBODY has ever presented any proof of anything.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 8:31 AM
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And we are discussing this topic now, Why?
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Good question. Maybe someone with a short memory. Or...
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Posted: 1/14/2013 8:47 AM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
Add his name and reputation to the pile of innocent victims of the NCAA /Wolf Pack/N&O Boo! attack.
We all should be reminded occasionally of how cowardly our response was to all of this nonsense. We (and I use this term to describe our administration) were so eager to do the “right” thing, that we shot ourselves in the foot repeatedly. Instead of defending our own until there was absolute truth about the accusations, we took the idiotic PR route and committed suicide.
Weakness kills, and we were wimps.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 9:22 AM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
So to sum up, he was accused of everything under the sun. Convicted in the courts of public opinion behind a stack of circumstantial evidence. Then he was run out on a rail as a scapegoat hopeful.
And yet no real evidence against the man has ever been found in almost three decades of coaching and no competitive advantage can be documented.
Sounds about right. Another smear.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 9:34 AM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
He accepted money from Wichard. Cam Thomas and Marvin Austin did train in Cali on Wichard's firms' dime and thats an NCAA violation. So everyone assumes that is a coincidence? Fair enough.
Wichard got to two of our players through Coach Blake. He didn't sign them but the damage was done.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 9:35 AM
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Didn't the NCAA (not the most reputable or trustworthy organization I know and agree) ban him from coaching for a period of time? Don't know the facts they used for that decision but it sounds like he could fight it.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 9:57 AM
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There's a good chance he didn't do anything that violated any rules. But he took money from an agent (for whatever reason) and then lied about it. Poor judgment isn't an offense, but it'll get you fired and bring down others with you. It's sad.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 10:03 AM
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Blake's relationship with Wichard was inappropriate but certainly not sinister IMO. It's unclear how much, if anything at all, either man really benefitted from the relationship. It doesn't really matter I suppose because it simply wasn't going to be allowed.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 10:17 AM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
As I recall Blake presented sworn affadavits from the players in question that Blake never had he tried to influence them to any agent...particularly Whichard.....Wade Smith represented Blake, and knowing his love for UNC Football and his directness as to proper behavior, I do not believe he would have represented Blake had he not seen an injustice by the NCAA and UNC....Now I do understand that Blake and Thigpen had some differences, and I can assure you I believe Thigpen was the righteous party, and I would have rather seen Blake leave than Thigpen.......And I do believe Davis should have had closer supervision of Blake.....
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Posted: 1/14/2013 10:50 AM
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And we are discussing this topic now, Why?
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Someone beating the dead horse again.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 11:14 AM
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Kandy Kane, is that you?
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Posted: 1/14/2013 11:20 AM
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Blake was as dirty as they come. He broke far more rules than he was accused of
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After 25+ years of coaching not one NCAA violation has been found against him but your punk wolpfack butt has the audacity to post a complete lie. Why is the aggie not banned?
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whoa a little wound up there. I hate state with a passion and have never once said a positive word about them. I was a big Butch fan and was on his side through it all. I couldn't be further from the anti-butch or pro-wolfpack side. I hate the N&O right along with them.
Blake has a horrible reputation in the coaching profession. This was known when he came to UNC. There is also a reason that Butch has said he was sorry that he trusted Blake. There is a reason that Blake has a show-cause penalty. Also, before we were even slightly in the news, I heard from an agent that Blake was referred to as "black santa claus" by his peers in the industry
Don't know why you would so passionately defend blake and attack me. I know there are a lot of "deny til you die" people on this board but I thought it was generally accepted that Blake was dirty. I have looked at all the circumstantial evidence and the verdict is obvious to me. If you disagree, that's fine. Doesn't really matter, this is old news and UNC football is back on the way up
Last edited 1/14/2013 11:36 AM by dtownheel17
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Posted: 1/14/2013 12:30 PM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
Had Blake made his relationship with Wichard known earlier he would have probably been told to discontinue it and that would have been it.
It looked much worse than it actually was, primarily because not everyone was aware of it.
Last edited 1/14/2013 12:32 PM by jarpe
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Posted: 1/14/2013 10:53 PM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
I'll ask again, how many Bama players have signed with Jimmmy Sexton in Nick Saban's tenure there?
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Posted: 1/15/2013 4:55 AM
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informant met while staying at the Blakeney hotel.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 5:00 AM
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Blake's relationship with Wichard was inappropriate but certainly not sinister IMO. It's unclear how much, if anything at all, either man really benefitted from the relationship. It doesn't really matter I suppose because it simply wasn't going to be allowed.
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so they weren't really friends?
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Posted: 1/15/2013 8:53 AM
Re: Remind me.....what was Coach Blake accused of doing wrong
They were very good friends.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 9:43 AM
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How many get to work out with Sexton's training staff while still having eligibility?
I agree with the direction. Same with Tebow signing with Urban's agent. Unfortunately our kids did more than just sign after they were done playing.
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I'll ask again, how many Bama players have signed with Jimmmy Sexton in Nick Saban's tenure there?
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Posted: 1/15/2013 10:28 AM
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I hate to say it, but although no solid evidence has ever been presented against John Blake, I feel better knowing he is not coaching for us. A reputation like his does more harm than good. And the fact that we were set back at least 4 years in our quest for world domination can be at least partially attributed to him.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 11:20 AM
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and you know this how?
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informant met while staying at the Blakeney hotel.
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Nice.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 11:49 AM
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Blake failed to keep a guy named Marvin Austin's mouth closed. Other than that, he didnt do anything that isn't done at nearly every successful college football program around the country. Being given money by a friend that happens to be an agent looks bad but it does not make you guilty of anything. Nothing in terms of rules violation or crimes has been proven.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 12:11 PM
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Blake failed to keep a guy named Marvin Austin's mouth closed. Other than that, he didnt do anything that isn't done at nearly every successful college football program around the country. Being given money by a friend that happens to be an agent looks bad but it does not make you guilty of anything. Nothing in terms of rules violation or crimes has been proven.
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Then why does he have a 3 year show cause penalty?
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Posted: 1/15/2013 12:17 PM
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Here's a better question......"Why was he given the penalty?" (here's a hint.. NCAA doesn't like to be publically humiliated when they swing and miss)
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Blake failed to keep a guy named Marvin Austin's mouth closed. Other than that, he didnt do anything that isn't done at nearly every successful college football program around the country. Being given money by a friend that happens to be an agent looks bad but it does not make you guilty of anything. Nothing in terms of rules violation or crimes has been proven.
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Then why does he have a 3 year show cause penalty?
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Posted: 1/15/2013 3:56 PM
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I don't think it is appropriate to say "as dirty as they come" without proof and I haven't seen you or anyone else provide that. As far as the "black santa" thing the only coach I have heard use that was the ol ball sack and I'm sure he would have his facts pure before he stated something like that (rolls eyes). The only concern I have with Blake is Butch's statement and that does bother me but I still require proof. As for the show cause penalty we know that the NCAA would never assume or jump to conclusions nor would they ever use anything other than accepted legal process to punish someone for not doing what they consider cooperating completely. You might want to try adding a little proof before making such a statement.
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--- dtownheel17 wrote:
Blake was as dirty as they come. He broke far more rules than he was accused of
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After 25+ years of coaching not one NCAA violation has been found against him but your punk wolpfack butt has the audacity to post a complete lie. Why is the aggie not banned?
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whoa a little wound up there. I hate state with a passion and have never once said a positive word about them. I was a big Butch fan and was on his side through it all. I couldn't be further from the anti-butch or pro-wolfpack side. I hate the N&O right along with them.
Blake has a horrible reputation in the coaching profession. This was known when he came to UNC. There is also a reason that Butch has said he was sorry that he trusted Blake. There is a reason that Blake has a show-cause penalty. Also, before we were even slightly in the news, I heard from an agent that Blake was referred to as "black santa claus" by his peers in the industry
Don't know why you would so passionately defend blake and attack me. I know there are a lot of "deny til you die" people on this board but I thought it was generally accepted that Blake was dirty. I have looked at all the circumstantial evidence and the verdict is obvious to me. If you disagree, that's fine. Doesn't really matter, this is old news and UNC football is back on the way up
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Posted: 1/15/2013 4:06 PM
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I wasn't aware this was a court of law where I had to meet the burden of proof. I was actually under the impression where this was a message board where people pretty much say whatever they want
It's my opinion. I've heard stories of gift-giving from an agent. Like I said, this agent used the term "black santa" before the news even broke and before "the ol ball sack".
Like I said, the circumstantial evidence (things I've heard from people in the know, his reputation, Butch's statement, the money from Wichard, the players who worked out at Wichard's gym, the show cause penalty, and his resignation) leads me to believe he was a dirty coach. It's the opinion of 99% percent of the fans out there (including OU fans).
If you want to continue to deny it, that's fine. I've looked at the evidence and made up my mind. Sorry if you don't like it
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I don't think it is appropriate to say "as dirty as they come" without proof and I haven't seen you or anyone else provide that. As far as the "black santa" thing the only coach I have heard use that was the ol ball sack and I'm sure he would have his facts pure before he stated something like that (rolls eyes). The only concern I have with Blake is Butch's statement and that does bother me but I still require proof. As for the show cause penalty we know that the NCAA would never assume or jump to conclusions nor would they ever use anything other than accepted legal process to punish someone for not doing what they consider cooperating completely. You might want to try adding a little proof before making such a statement.
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Blake was as dirty as they come. He broke far more rules than he was accused of
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After 25+ years of coaching not one NCAA violation has been found against him but your punk wolpfack butt has the audacity to post a complete lie. Why is the aggie not banned?
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whoa a little wound up there. I hate state with a passion and have never once said a positive word about them. I was a big Butch fan and was on his side through it all. I couldn't be further from the anti-butch or pro-wolfpack side. I hate the N&O right along with them.
Blake has a horrible reputation in the coaching profession. This was known when he came to UNC. There is also a reason that Butch has said he was sorry that he trusted Blake. There is a reason that Blake has a show-cause penalty. Also, before we were even slightly in the news, I heard from an agent that Blake was referred to as "black santa claus" by his peers in the industry
Don't know why you would so passionately defend blake and attack me. I know there are a lot of "deny til you die" people on this board but I thought it was generally accepted that Blake was dirty. I have looked at all the circumstantial evidence and the verdict is obvious to me. If you disagree, that's fine. Doesn't really matter, this is old news and UNC football is back on the way up
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