Do any of you believe that during Fedora's current contract that we could raise the proceeds, and add about 30 Luxury Boxes and approximately 1,500 Club and Loge Seats, as well as a new Press Box to the South Side of BKS and sell out a 65,000 seat Kenan Stadium on a consistent basis?

So in 6 years, do I believe this could happen?

It would be close, but yes I think by the 6th year you could see it. But there's almost no chance it would happen before that.

The reason I asked this question is yesterday I re-watched the end of the "Punt Return" game with NCSux. I thought that if a new structure were built on the South Side like had been planned, it could hold the sound in even more, and make Kenan that much tougher a place for opponents to play, especially if it were end-to-end!!!!!

First we need to make the rest of the structure look like the BZ. Right now it sticks out like a sore thumb. The brick facade needs to be carried around the entire stadium's interior walls so it looks cohesive. I can say that a BZ like structure on the West end would be better for TV cuz it would be in the shade for almost the entire game regardless of time of day or year, so people would actually sit in their seats.

I thought there was talk of lowering the field. Anyone know if they scratched that?

Enclosure and louder sounds to benefit UNC is always a plus.

also with the talk of the tar pit. will kenan see a paint job.

We need to start winning 10+ games and stop losing to stop losing to the likes of Wake/Dook before such discussions are even justified. Good first year for Fedora, but he no longer gets the first year get outta jail free card. If this had been any other coach in years 3 or 4 and we didn't play FSU or CU and lost to Wake/Dook to go 8-4, plenty of criticism would be rampant. I like what I'm seeing with Fedora, but we need some results this season. Our schedule is once again favorable.

I've heard 2020 is a timetable a lot of boosters and people in the athletic department have for starting Phase III, if funds are raised (roughly $100 million).

I believe if the field was lowered, it could only be lowered 1-2 feet because of an underground water source. With the several million that could cost, the people in charge don't see a need for the "unnecessary cost".

I see 8 maybe 9 wins on the schedule next year. The natives will start getting restless with 8 wins. Fedora needs to find a way to beat GT, if not 8 wins will be tough to surpass IMO.

We may have lost to dook and Wake this year but I think most should be comfortable with our record against dook since I can remember...and programs like Florida State and Clemson (who are considered the best football programs in the league) routinely lose to Wake Forest particularly in the Grobe era. In my opinion it is 100% based on demand regardless of what causes it. South Carolina sucked out loud for years but still averaged over 80K. In other words x number of wins per season or getting to a point where we only lose to good programs is not what would predicate significant investments into the stadium. 62900 is a good size and the BZ is plenty of luxury seating for the time being.

We were favored in 11 games last season. We will likely be favored in at least 9 games this year, and if not for away games against VaT and GaT, we might would be favored in all games except SC.

8 wins last season was only acceptable because it was year 1. With schedule we had, 9 wins would normally be the minimum bar. 8 wins this year = disappointing.

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I see 8 maybe 9 wins on the schedule next year. The natives will start getting restless with 8 wins. Fedora needs to find a way to beat GT, if not 8 wins will be tough to surpass IMO.

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also with the talk of the tar pit. will kenan see a paint job.

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Black seats?? Stain the concrete black?

What y'all think?

Would make it even hotter for all those noon kickoffs we have every year which mean even more people wouldn't be in there seats because now there seat is to hot. HAHA.

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also with the talk of the tar pit. will kenan see a paint job.

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Black seats?? Stain the concrete black?

What y'all think?

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Id like a recliner and a waitress on roller skates to bring beers.

What year would that be?

Since you picked those two teams they beat Wake by a combined score of 94-13 this year. And Duke was 104-27 total score against the two teams. Hardly validates loosing to either team this year. We can debate all day but those two looses this year were bad. The point is this isn't the past this is a year and a team that should have never lost 4 games. I will continue to say it but horrible defense all year has to make a major leap before playing SC next year. We all know "the old ball coach" will drop a 100 if he can. And he has ample talent coming back to do it. I agree with others this year was a pass for this staff. But if next year we look back at a defense that never made an improvement from game one thru 12! That will be telling as well.

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We may have lost to dook and Wake this year but I think most should be comfortable with our record against dook since I can remember...and programs like Florida State and Clemson (who are considered the best football programs in the league) routinely lose to Wake Forest particularly in the Grobe era. In my opinion it is 100% based on demand regardless of what causes it. South Carolina sucked out loud for years but still averaged over 80K. In other words x number of wins per season or getting to a point where we only lose to good programs is not what would predicate significant investments into the stadium. 62900 is a good size and the BZ is plenty of luxury seating for the time being.

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Wake game was a "bad loss" this year, absolutely. But not dook. dook was pretty good this year, yeah we could have won the game, but losing to dook was no disgrace. I'm giving the boys a pass this year on that game.

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Since you picked those two teams they beat Wake by a combined score of 94-13 this year. And Duke was 104-27 total score against the two teams. Hardly validates loosing to either team this year. We can debate all day but those two looses this year were bad. The point is this isn't the past this is a year and a team that should have never lost 4 games. I will continue to say it but horrible defense all year has to make a major leap before playing SC next year. We all know "the old ball coach" will drop a 100 if he can. And he has ample talent coming back to do it. I agree with others this year was a pass for this staff. But if next year we look back at a defense that never made an improvement from game one thru 12! That will be telling as well.

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We may have lost to dook and Wake this year but I think most should be comfortable with our record against dook since I can remember...and programs like Florida State and Clemson (who are considered the best football programs in the league) routinely lose to Wake Forest particularly in the Grobe era. In my opinion it is 100% based on demand regardless of what causes it. South Carolina sucked out loud for years but still averaged over 80K. In other words x number of wins per season or getting to a point where we only lose to good programs is not what would predicate significant investments into the stadium. 62900 is a good size and the BZ is plenty of luxury seating for the time being.

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We can't fill up what we got. Why the heck would they expand. I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the rams club. We need a bb arena. We need a new baseball field(before renovations). We need better parking. We need more classrooms and dorms.

Why not tear down all athletic facilities on campus and build what the university needs and go out to the airport and build an athletic complex with parking. Gets cars off campus which UNC wants. It allows more students. Which UNC needs. And you can build multiuser facilities which helps on cost.

We need a new baseball field?

You're delusional if you think we need a new Baseball Field, Boshamer was just renovated completely about 3 years ago.

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We can't fill up what we got. Why the heck would they expand. I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the rams club. We need a bb arena. We need a new baseball field(before renovations). We need better parking. We need more classrooms and dorms.

Why not tear down all athletic facilities on campus and build what the university needs and go out to the airport and build an athletic complex with parking. Gets cars off campus which UNC wants. It allows more students. Which UNC needs. And you can build multiuser facilities which helps on cost.

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Noting that the dook or Wake losses were good or bad really has nothing to do with what anyone is talking about and are at best secondary to the point that I was making, but since you commented, I will say that dook was 5-2 at home and 1-4 on the road and Wake was 4-3 at home (with a loss to dook) and 1-4 on the road. I am not justifying the losses, but just suggesting that folks should look at Wake and dook's complete season instead of just looking at one game that each played and saying, "yeah, we should have beaten them and that was a terrible display, etc." We should have won in Winston, but let's not pretend that the game at Wake was the easiest W on the schedule. Yeah, Clemson and FSU both wore out dook and Wake this year. Not sure what that has to do with whether UNC should expand their stadium. Is anyone arguing that UNC was as good as either this season?!?

I only mentioned Clemson and FSU because they have much bigger stadia than UNC and stadium expansion is what the thread is about. If the standard for whether we expand or not to a stadium the size of DV or Doak Campbell, it isn't logical to me that beating Wake Forest is what we should be going by considering neither FSU nor Clemson have beaten them with much regularity.

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Since you picked those two teams they beat Wake by a combined score of 94-13 this year. And Duke was 104-27 total score against the two teams. Hardly validates loosing to either team this year. We can debate all day but those two looses this year were bad. The point is this isn't the past this is a year and a team that should have never lost 4 games. I will continue to say it but horrible defense all year has to make a major leap before playing SC next year. We all know "the old ball coach" will drop a 100 if he can. And he has ample talent coming back to do it. I agree with others this year was a pass for this staff. But if next year we look back at a defense that never made an improvement from game one thru 12! That will be telling as well.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

We may have lost to dook and Wake this year but I think most should be comfortable with our record against dook since I can remember...and programs like Florida State and Clemson (who are considered the best football programs in the league) routinely lose to Wake Forest particularly in the Grobe era. In my opinion it is 100% based on demand regardless of what causes it. South Carolina sucked out loud for years but still averaged over 80K. In other words x number of wins per season or getting to a point where we only lose to good programs is not what would predicate significant investments into the stadium. 62900 is a good size and the BZ is plenty of luxury seating for the time being.

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We can't fill up what we got. Why the heck would they expand. I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the rams club. We need a bb arena. We need a new baseball field(before renovations). We need better parking. We need more classrooms and dorms.

Why not tear down all athletic facilities on campus and build what the university needs and go out to the airport and build an athletic complex with parking. Gets cars off campus which UNC wants. It allows more students. Which UNC needs. And you can build multiuser facilities which helps on cost.

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Completely unrealistic pie in the sky. Any idea what it would cost to build all new facilities? If you said half a billion dollars you're not close.

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We can't fill up what we got. Why the heck would they expand. I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the rams club. We need a bb arena. We need a new baseball field(before renovations). We need better parking. We need more classrooms and dorms.

Why not tear down all athletic facilities on campus and build what the university needs and go out to the airport and build an athletic complex with parking. Gets cars off campus which UNC wants. It allows more students. Which UNC needs. And you can build multiuser facilities which helps on cost.

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Completely unrealistic pie in the sky. Any idea what it would cost to build all new facilities? If you said half a billion dollars you're not close.

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If we hadn't just invested $70MM into the Blue Zone, I would think it would be a lot more realistic than you give it credit for being. And honestly, that IS the future because these building don't last forever and space near campus is just too precious. Honestly, if we can go about 15-20 years without spending a lot on renovating either Kenan or the Dean Dome (and the economy can improve where folks don't continue to ***** about spending money erroneously), I think there is a possibility that when they build the next basketball arena (and that is closer to happening than a lot may think), that they will build it out near the airport and leave the possibility of adding on a football complex. The Dean Dome is already outdated and will not last another 20 years IMO. Kenan has had so many recent updates that it probably is good for a while longer, but my guess is that the new bball complex will be built in an area where building a football complex nearby would be possible as well.

Why in the He&& would they build a Football Complex by the Airport, when between 22 and 50 million were spent to add a floor to the KFC in 2009-2010, and another 70 million were spent to have an Academic Support Building for ALL SPORTS at the most beautiful Football Stadium in America?

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We can't fill up what we got. Why the heck would they expand. I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the rams club. We need a bb arena. We need a new baseball field(before renovations). We need better parking. We need more classrooms and dorms.

Why not tear down all athletic facilities on campus and build what the university needs and go out to the airport and build an athletic complex with parking. Gets cars off campus which UNC wants. It allows more students. Which UNC needs. And you can build multiuser facilities which helps on cost.

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Completely unrealistic pie in the sky. Any idea what it would cost to build all new facilities? If you said half a billion dollars you're not close.

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If we hadn't just invested $70MM into the Blue Zone, I would think it would be a lot more realistic than you give it credit for being. And honestly, that IS the future because these building don't last forever and space near campus is just too precious. Honestly, if we can go about 15-20 years without spending a lot on renovating either Kenan or the Dean Dome (and the economy can improve where folks don't continue to ***** about spending money erroneously), I think there is a possibility that when they build the next basketball arena (and that is closer to happening than a lot may think), that they will build it out near the airport and leave the possibility of adding on a football complex. The Dean Dome is already outdated and will not last another 20 years IMO. Kenan has had so many recent updates that it probably is good for a while longer, but my guess is that the new bball complex will be built in an area where building a football complex nearby would be possible as well.

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Sarcastic post ?

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--- 126kk wrote:

We can't fill up what we got. Why the heck would they expand. I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the rams club. We need a bb arena. We need a new baseball field(before renovations). We need better parking. We need more classrooms and dorms.

Why not tear down all athletic facilities on campus and build what the university needs and go out to the airport and build an athletic complex with parking. Gets cars off campus which UNC wants. It allows more students. Which UNC needs. And you can build multiuser facilities which helps on cost.

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1) Access
2) Parking/traffic
3) KFC and the Academic Support Building will not be up to date at some point in the future (ref: my post).
4) Over the course of 20-30 years, $100MM is really not a whole lot. The athletic budget for one year is around $70MM.

How long do YOU think the Dean Dome will last and when it comes time to build a new one where do YOU think they will build it? The university is running out of room honestly.

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Why in the He&& would they build a Football Complex by the Airport, when between 22 and 50 million were spent to add a floor to the KFC in 2009-2010, and another 70 million were spent to have an Academic Support Building for ALL SPORTS at the most beautiful Football Stadium in America?

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We can't fill up what we got. Why the heck would they expand. I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the rams club. We need a bb arena. We need a new baseball field(before renovations). We need better parking. We need more classrooms and dorms.

Why not tear down all athletic facilities on campus and build what the university needs and go out to the airport and build an athletic complex with parking. Gets cars off campus which UNC wants. It allows more students. Which UNC needs. And you can build multiuser facilities which helps on cost.

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Completely unrealistic pie in the sky. Any idea what it would cost to build all new facilities? If you said half a billion dollars you're not close.

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If we hadn't just invested $70MM into the Blue Zone, I would think it would be a lot more realistic than you give it credit for being. And honestly, that IS the future because these building don't last forever and space near campus is just too precious. Honestly, if we can go about 15-20 years without spending a lot on renovating either Kenan or the Dean Dome (and the economy can improve where folks don't continue to ***** about spending money erroneously), I think there is a possibility that when they build the next basketball arena (and that is closer to happening than a lot may think), that they will build it out near the airport and leave the possibility of adding on a football complex. The Dean Dome is already outdated and will not last another 20 years IMO. Kenan has had so many recent updates that it probably is good for a while longer, but my guess is that the new bball complex will be built in an area where building a football complex nearby would be possible as well.

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The Dean Dome realistically needs to be replaced or renovated no later than 2025. As for building a Football Complex away from Campus this never needs to be done!!!!!!

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1) Access
2) Parking/traffic
3) KFC and the Academic Support Building will not be up to date at some point in the future (ref: my post).
4) Over the course of 20-30 years, $100MM is really not a whole lot. The athletic budget for one year is around $70MM.

How long do YOU think the Dean Dome will last and when it comes time to build a new one where do YOU think they will build it? The university is running out of room honestly.

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Why in the He&& would they build a Football Complex by the Airport, when between 22 and 50 million were spent to add a floor to the KFC in 2009-2010, and another 70 million were spent to have an Academic Support Building for ALL SPORTS at the most beautiful Football Stadium in America?

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--- 126kk wrote:

We can't fill up what we got. Why the heck would they expand. I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the rams club. We need a bb arena. We need a new baseball field(before renovations). We need better parking. We need more classrooms and dorms.

Why not tear down all athletic facilities on campus and build what the university needs and go out to the airport and build an athletic complex with parking. Gets cars off campus which UNC wants. It allows more students. Which UNC needs. And you can build multiuser facilities which helps on cost.

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Completely unrealistic pie in the sky. Any idea what it would cost to build all new facilities? If you said half a billion dollars you're not close.

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If we hadn't just invested $70MM into the Blue Zone, I would think it would be a lot more realistic than you give it credit for being. And honestly, that IS the future because these building don't last forever and space near campus is just too precious. Honestly, if we can go about 15-20 years without spending a lot on renovating either Kenan or the Dean Dome (and the economy can improve where folks don't continue to ***** about spending money erroneously), I think there is a possibility that when they build the next basketball arena (and that is closer to happening than a lot may think), that they will build it out near the airport and leave the possibility of adding on a football complex. The Dean Dome is already outdated and will not last another 20 years IMO. Kenan has had so many recent updates that it probably is good for a while longer, but my guess is that the new bball complex will be built in an area where building a football complex nearby would be possible as well.

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