They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

Oregon D is fast.

They are fast but you see what happens when they met a physical running team.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

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Has any of their defensive guys ever went high in the draft? I've never really followed Oregon.

Haloti Ngata was a first rounder, but that was 7 or 8 years ago probably. Not sure when they started the 4-2-5.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

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Has any of their defensive guys ever went high in the draft? I've never really followed Oregon.

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Not to be a butt, but why is that relevant? I understand the "guys won't want to play for you if they can't get to the league" argument, but the primary job of a CFB coach is to win CFB games, secondary to that is prepping players for the NFL. It seems to be working for them (top 10 in TO's forced?). We've sent a whole starting defense to the league in the last 10 years but what has it gotten us? Not nearly as much as Oregon has gotten over the same time frame, I'll tell you that.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

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Has any of their defensive guys ever went high in the draft? I've never really followed Oregon.

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If I were a stud D-lineman or linebacker, I would rather go to a school that can better prepare me for the next level. The 4-2-5 does not and therefore you don't see many front 6 guys from this defense in the NFL.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

Not to be a butt, but why is that relevant? I understand the "guys won't want to play for you if they can't get to the league" argument, but the primary job of a CFB coach is to win CFB games, secondary to that is prepping players for the NFL. It seems to be working for them (top 10 in TO's forced?). We've sent a whole starting defense to the league in the last 10 years but what has it gotten us? Not nearly as much as Oregon has gotten over the same time frame, I'll tell you that.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

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Has any of their defensive guys ever went high in the draft? I've never really followed Oregon.

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Didn't the matthews brothers go there? Clay and Casey?

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

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Has any of their defensive guys ever went high in the draft? I've never really followed Oregon.

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Didn't the matthews brothers go there? Clay and Casey?

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

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Has any of their defensive guys ever went high in the draft? I've never really followed Oregon.

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dont know about casey...but clay went to usc..played for carroll....but on the subject of oregon's 4-2-5....i like it....i love the speed....but i would like our coaches to continue to bring in the 280-300 pound guys for the 3 positions on the front outside the ram....we have a history of big fast guys...so we know it can be done....but as far as oregons lb's....they can move and dont shy away from contact....if hughes gets his head straight, he's that kinda player

If we (UNC) are winning 10 games every year and in the hunt for the BCS championship every year like Oregon is, why would you care if we are sending any defensive players at all to the NFL?

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If I were a stud D-lineman or linebacker, I would rather go to a school that can better prepare me for the next level. The 4-2-5 does not and therefore you don't see many front 6 guys from this defense in the NFL.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

Not to be a butt, but why is that relevant? I understand the "guys won't want to play for you if they can't get to the league" argument, but the primary job of a CFB coach is to win CFB games, secondary to that is prepping players for the NFL. It seems to be working for them (top 10 in TO's forced?). We've sent a whole starting defense to the league in the last 10 years but what has it gotten us? Not nearly as much as Oregon has gotten over the same time frame, I'll tell you that.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

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Has any of their defensive guys ever went high in the draft? I've never really followed Oregon.

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That is exactly my point. I watch NFL games because it's on. I CARE if UNC wins so if we recruit a bunch of fast non NFL caliber back 7 guys that help us win 10-14 games a year that's great.
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If we (UNC) are winning 10 games every year and in the hunt for the BCS championship every year like Oregon is, why would you care if we are sending any defensive players at all to the NFL?

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--- supergnat85 wrote:

If I were a stud D-lineman or linebacker, I would rather go to a school that can better prepare me for the next level. The 4-2-5 does not and therefore you don't see many front 6 guys from this defense in the NFL.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

Not to be a butt, but why is that relevant? I understand the "guys won't want to play for you if they can't get to the league" argument, but the primary job of a CFB coach is to win CFB games, secondary to that is prepping players for the NFL. It seems to be working for them (top 10 in TO's forced?). We've sent a whole starting defense to the league in the last 10 years but what has it gotten us? Not nearly as much as Oregon has gotten over the same time frame, I'll tell you that.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

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Has any of their defensive guys ever went high in the draft? I've never really followed Oregon.

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I was agreeing with you Taxguy, it sounded like supergnat still thinks it's more important to send guys to the NFL. I quit caring about NFL outcomes once the Browns moved to Baltimore.

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That is exactly my point. I watch NFL games because it's on. I CARE if UNC wins so if we recruit a bunch of fast non NFL caliber back 7 guys that help us win 10-14 games a year that's great.
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--- OldLeaguer wrote:

If we (UNC) are winning 10 games every year and in the hunt for the BCS championship every year like Oregon is, why would you care if we are sending any defensive players at all to the NFL?

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--- supergnat85 wrote:

If I were a stud D-lineman or linebacker, I would rather go to a school that can better prepare me for the next level. The 4-2-5 does not and therefore you don't see many front 6 guys from this defense in the NFL.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

Not to be a butt, but why is that relevant? I understand the "guys won't want to play for you if they can't get to the league" argument, but the primary job of a CFB coach is to win CFB games, secondary to that is prepping players for the NFL. It seems to be working for them (top 10 in TO's forced?). We've sent a whole starting defense to the league in the last 10 years but what has it gotten us? Not nearly as much as Oregon has gotten over the same time frame, I'll tell you that.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

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Has any of their defensive guys ever went high in the draft? I've never really followed Oregon.

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Personally, I don't care if they go to the NFL as I am a college sports fan. My point is that the the 4 & 5 star recruits do care. My brother-in-law is a (retired) hall of fame high school coach out of northern Virginia (and former state athletic director). When it came down to his kids being recruited, preparing for the next level was a major topic of interest.

Don't matter to me...but it matters to them.

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I was agreeing with you Taxguy, it sounded like supergnat still thinks it's more important to send guys to the NFL. I quit caring about NFL outcomes once the Browns moved to Baltimore.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:


That is exactly my point. I watch NFL games because it's on. I CARE if UNC wins so if we recruit a bunch of fast non NFL caliber back 7 guys that help us win 10-14 games a year that's great.
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--- OldLeaguer wrote:

If we (UNC) are winning 10 games every year and in the hunt for the BCS championship every year like Oregon is, why would you care if we are sending any defensive players at all to the NFL?

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--- supergnat85 wrote:

If I were a stud D-lineman or linebacker, I would rather go to a school that can better prepare me for the next level. The 4-2-5 does not and therefore you don't see many front 6 guys from this defense in the NFL.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

Not to be a butt, but why is that relevant? I understand the "guys won't want to play for you if they can't get to the league" argument, but the primary job of a CFB coach is to win CFB games, secondary to that is prepping players for the NFL. It seems to be working for them (top 10 in TO's forced?). We've sent a whole starting defense to the league in the last 10 years but what has it gotten us? Not nearly as much as Oregon has gotten over the same time frame, I'll tell you that.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

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Has any of their defensive guys ever went high in the draft? I've never really followed Oregon.

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Casey went to Oregon. But he's far from being as good as his brother .
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Didn't the matthews brothers go there? Clay and Casey?

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--- AlreadyHome wrote:



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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

They are very multiple. Hard to figure out pre snap what they are doing. Hope we can recruit to this possibility.

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Has any of their defensive guys ever went high in the draft? I've never really followed Oregon.

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dont know about casey...but clay went to usc..played for carroll....but on the subject of oregon's 4-2-5....i like it....i love the speed....but i would like our coaches to continue to bring in the 280-300 pound guys for the 3 positions on the front outside the ram....we have a history of big fast guys...so we know it can be done....but as far as oregons lb's....they can move and dont shy away from contact....if hughes gets his head straight, he's that kinda player

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Let's get back on topic....

I was gonna start a thread about how impressed I was by O's approach to defense -- crowd the LoS and NO high safety. I mean, they might've had one a couple times but the high-low safety thing was certainly NOT in effect.

They also aggressively attacked the edges -- the old youth league deal of stacking two DEs/OLBs side by side and basically have one "block" for the other. Makes sense if teams are gonna assume they can option the C/D gaps.

They got a little two predictable in standing up the NT and having him crash the strong A gap -- maybe they twisted that at some point, but all I saw was the same deal over and over.

Oregon is not a 4-2-5 base team. Last night they played almost exclusively in a one gapping 3-3-5 alignment, often reduced into a bear front (with the tackles aligned on the outside shoulders of the offensive guards). They consistently play with a +1 in the box and bring a lot of zone and man pressures.

Nick Alioti does a great job every year (one of the most underrated coordinators in the country), but much like the Manning-era Colts, they're built to play with a lead. When they can't, and the opponent is able to methodically run the ball and use their size advantage, they can be vulnerable. That's why they've never defended Stanford well in the Harbaugh/Shaw era. They've won many of those games, but they've given up yards and points.

"Preparing" for the NFL and "getting" to the NFL are two different things. IMO, exposure and success are half the battle in "getting" to the league. UNC didn't run the typical pro-style offense, yet Gio is listed as the top RB and got plenty of exposure.

I don't think it matters what style we play. If we are successful and a 4-5* athlete is on a team with a strong brand like Carolina...He will be an attractive draft prospect. The money comes from draft status and draft status is often tied to performance at the college level.

Finally, using UNC's failed record vs. number of NFL placements to debate whether elite recruits will like our system is hardly fair. UNC's failure wasn't because the D totally failed. For the most part, UNC's failure was usually a result of failure on offense (pre-fedora). If UNC can start winning 10+ games, I seriously doubt we will have trouble attracting 4-5* recruits.

The portion of college players that go pro is about 2%.

They havent had many defensive players drafted recently, but their DE, Dion Jordan, will probably be a first round or maybe early second round pick this year. He is a very highly rated prospect. But, Oregon has shown that they can put together good defenses without having high NFL draft picks.

Mentioning the NFL in reference to how your defense plays is insane.

Look at all the NFL CBs from tiny, tiny schools, for example. It is a very specialized, freakish skill set required. The NFL will find them. That is THEIR job.

A college DC's job is to put the best COLLEGE defense on the field they possibly can.

I have not yet become a fan of this defense. I hope I will, but I have doubts.

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I have not yet become a fan of this defense. I hope I will, but I have doubts.

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Well yeah, that's what I meant, but I was trying to be diplomatic.