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Posted: 1/4/2013 7:35 PM
RE: What does "Southern School" mean to you?
It's simple. Familiarity breeds contempt. This is great for sports conferences. It fosters rivalries which is what it's all about. This is why UNC belongs in a conference with other Southern schools. We have a long shared history, share a common language, and many of these other Southern states are our neighbors.
Affiliation with a conference that is overwhelmingly centered on the Midwest makes absolutely no sense for a Southern school like UNC.
I think it will be interesting to see how WVU folks feel about being in the Big 12 long term.
I also find it interesting that many Penn State folks still are uncomfortable with the notion of being an East Coast school in a Midwestern league. There has been some talk that the B1G's additions of Rutgers and UMD were meant as much to shore up Penn State's league affiliation as anything else by giving them a couple of East Coast partners.
If Penn State as a Northeastern school is out of place in a Midwestern based conference like the B1G, how do you think a Southern school like UNC is going to feel there?
Thanks, but no thanks.
Whether we want to admit it or not, there are regional differences in culture in this country. It is the reason that Penn State feels like an outlier in the B1G. It is the reason that many Penn State fans would have preferred to be in an East Coast based conference where they share geography, cultural, and historical ties with their neighboring states and schools.
Ignoring this fact is ignoring reality. If the ACC cannot remain a viable entity then UNC belongs in the SEC with other Southern schools.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 8:17 PM
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I believe the best conference for UNC is the ACC in its current form. Unfortunately the current form is doomed. Whichever team of us and iNCeST that ends up in the SEC will rule this state for football for the next 30 years, so I project we should go to the SEC as soon as feasible.
Y'all happy?
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Might not rule the state.
Nov. 23, 1991 Clemson 41-24 Columbia, SC
Nov. 21, 1992 s.Carolina 24-13 Clemson, SC
Nov. 20, 1993 Clemson 16-13 Columbia, SC
Nov. 19, 1994 s.Carolina 33-7 Clemson, SC
Nov. 18, 1995 Clemson 38-17 Columbia, SC
Nov. 23, 1996 s.Carolina 34-31 Clemson, SC
Nov. 22, 1997 Clemson 47-21 Columbia, SC
Nov. 21, 1998 Clemson 28-19 Clemson, SC
Nov. 20, 1999 Clemson 31-21 Columbia, SC
Nov. 18, 2000 Clemson 16-14 Clemson, SC
Nov. 17, 2001 s.Carolina 20-15 Columbia, SC
Nov. 23, 2002 Clemson 27-20 Clemson, SC
Nov. 22, 2003 Clemson 63-17 Columbia, SC
Nov. 20, 2004 Clemson 29-7 Clemson, SC
Nov. 19, 2005 Clemson 13-9 Columbia, SC
Nov. 25, 2006 s.Carolina 31-28 Clemson, SC
Nov. 24, 2007 Clemson 23-21 Columbia, SC
Nov. 29, 2008 Clemson 31-14 Clemson, SC
Nov. 28, 2009 s.Carolina 34-17 Columbia, SC
Nov. 27, 2010 s.Carolina 29-7 Clemson, SC
Nov. 26, 2011 s.Carolina 34-13 Columbia, SC
Nov. 24, 2012 s.Carolina 27-17 Clemson, SC
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Posted: 1/4/2013 8:47 PM
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With all the talk of conference realignment this is a term I keep seeing and its consistently passed of like everyone knows exactly what is meant. I've lived in NC my whole life and graduated from UNC adn frankly I find this term ambiguous at best. Is there some perceived shared history we have with Ole Miss and UF (and if so what) or is it more of a concern that the "Northern School" would view us as slack jawed yokels were we to join their conference. Something else entirely?
I understand the varrious arguemnts regarding academics, athletics and even distance of travel but the identity argument is lost on me. Does one have to have lived through the 1960's to understand this argument? I'm not saying its racist, but as a North Carolinian, I certainly identify more with the states of Ohio and Penn. than I do with Mississippi or Alabama (no offense to either of those states).
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Read some books by Dr. John Shelton Reed, formerly of the UNC sociology department. Perhaps you'll understand better.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 9:40 PM
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If you want a good example take a few trips up and down I-95 from southern VA to NOVA.
Three things that will prove most of the points in this thread...
You will have a hard time finding sweet tea north of Fredericksburg.
Don't expect a door to be held open for a lady north of Richmond.
Sir and Ma'am are out of the question.
Growing up in the South, as I did in central NC, those three things are the bare minimum.
A Southern School reflects this type of Southern Culture.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:54 PM
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I don't mean to bring this slavery issue back onto the table, but this whole "white guilt" stuff gets on my last nerve. I know this is a football board, but to think that southerners should feel guilty or shameful about our history because of slavery is ridiculous and unacceptable. For starters, slavery was accepted in parts of northern states and slavery was legal under the American flag longer than it ever was under the confederate flag. I don't see how northern states receive a free pass, when it comes to slavery but it is frowned upon when it comes to southern states. I know that slavery was wrong and it is a dark history for all of America, not just the south. I don't pronounce the war that happened during "1861-1865" as the "Civil War", the real term is the "War of Northern Aggression" because that was what it all boiled down too.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 11:04 AM
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Actually, I took Anth 40(?) at UNC - Southern Culture. It was an excellent class. My academic understanding of the South and Southern Culture are not the issue here. He question is, what does it mean to say that UNC is a Southern School as it relates to conference affiliation. So far, most posters seem to be making arguments that not only encourage SEC membership, but also would exclude ACC membership. Do most posters feel the ACC is no longer a Southern Conference and that we should leave regardless of whether or not it remains a power conference?
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With all the talk of conference realignment this is a term I keep seeing and its consistently passed of like everyone knows exactly what is meant. I've lived in NC my whole life and graduated from UNC adn frankly I find this term ambiguous at best. Is there some perceived shared history we have with Ole Miss and UF (and if so what) or is it more of a concern that the "Northern School" would view us as slack jawed yokels were we to join their conference. Something else entirely?
I understand the varrious arguemnts regarding academics, athletics and even distance of travel but the identity argument is lost on me. Does one have to have lived through the 1960's to understand this argument? I'm not saying its racist, but as a North Carolinian, I certainly identify more with the states of Ohio and Penn. than I do with Mississippi or Alabama (no offense to either of those states).
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Read some books by Dr. John Shelton Reed, formerly of the UNC sociology department. Perhaps you'll understand better.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 11:22 AM
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I don't mean to bring this slavery issue back onto the table, but this whole "white guilt" stuff gets on my last nerve. I know this is a football board, but to think that southerners should feel guilty or shameful about our history because of slavery is ridiculous and unacceptable. For starters, slavery was accepted in parts of northern states and slavery was legal under the American flag longer than it ever was under the confederate flag. I don't see how northern states receive a free pass, when it comes to slavery but it is frowned upon when it comes to southern states. I know that slavery was wrong and it is a dark history for all of America, not just the south. I don't pronounce the war that happened during "1861-1865" as the "Civil War", the real term is the "War of Northern Aggression" because that was what it all boiled down too.
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Very VERY well said!! Thank you!!
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Posted: 1/5/2013 11:34 AM
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You are very welcome, Dan77! I am very passionate about my southern heritage and I will defend it till the day I die!
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Posted: 1/5/2013 11:52 AM
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DamnYankees!
Only thing worse is a person born in the South who would says that he has more in common with DamnYankees than people from the South. I know that I have more in common and would rather spend time with people (Black or White)from any where in the south than anywhere in the North. as the great Southerner Louis Grizard said if you do not like the South, "Delta is ready when you are".
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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:19 PM
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I do. BC, Pitt, 'Cuse, Dook, Miami. None of these are "Southern" schools. FSU is somewhat "Southern", but not like UNC, UVA, iNCeST, Clemson and GT.
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Do most posters feel the ACC is no longer a Southern Conference and that we should leave regardless of whether or not it remains a power conference?
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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:20 PM
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There was a good article on Samuel F. Phillips in the recent Alumni Review I think everyone would benefit from reading. While NC is in the South, North Carolina is in many ways culturally and socially unique among Southern States culturally. For example, see our bbq!
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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:33 PM
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^and I think that gets to the heart of the matter. So many seem to want to go to one conference because they say we aren't like the schools in the other conference. The Southern School claim is at least an affermative reason depending on its meaning. But are we a Southern School in any meaningful way as it pertains to sports adn conference? How many sports do we play that other schools in the SEC do not play?
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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:45 PM
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The Southern School claim is at least an affermative reason depending on its meaning. But are we a Southern School in any meaningful way as it pertains to sports adn conference? How many sports do we play that other schools in the SEC do not play?
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A BIG reason for going to the SEC that hasn't been talked about much here is MONEY. Kenan would be FULL for every conference game. The SEC travels that well. I doubt very seriously Minn., Purdue, Indiana, Mich State, Wisconsin or any of the other BIG schools except maybe for Ohio St and maybe Michigan would ever fill Kenan.
These same schools from the SEC would fill the Bosh every weekend series, helping make Baseball self dependant. Basketball is going to make theirs either way.
The only sports that come to mind that the SEC might not play is Lacross and Field Hockey.
UNC IS a Southern School and if we do leave the ACC, the SEC is where we belong!
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Posted: 1/5/2013 1:34 PM
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$$$ is a compelling argument. But I'm not sure the UNC Kentucky game would have quite the same sell out power of the basketball match up, nor am I convinced the Vandy game would be a guarnteed 60k in Keenan. The reality is that both conferences have schools that would travel to Chapel Hill and both conferences have schools whose fan bases would not.
Which conference better serves the crown jewel of our athletics department - womens soccer?
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Posted: 1/5/2013 2:06 PM
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ummmm.......Red-Eye gravy, nectar of Southern Heaven.
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Simply put, it means we like Grits, especially with Red-Eye Gravy!!!!!
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Posted: 1/5/2013 3:16 PM
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There is no monolithic South. NC is unique in comparison to VA, SC, TN, and GA - our immediate neighbors. Each Southern state is unique though. LA differs from KY or TN. VA differs from LA.
However, we are more alike than we are different. The Southern states tend to be more like each other than they are like states in other regions.
NC, while unique, certainly is much more like GA than Michigan. It is certainly much more like its neighbors VA, TN, GA, and SC than any northern or Midwestern state. And that's the point here.
Like someone else on this thread posted, most native North Carolinians would not feel entirely out of place in Georgia and would not think that a native Tennessean or a native Virginian "talks funny".
You generally would not be able to say the same things about New York, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, etc.
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There was a good article on Samuel F. Phillips in the recent Alumni Review I think everyone would benefit from reading. While NC is in the South, North Carolina is in many ways culturally and socially unique among Southern States culturally. For example, see our bbq!
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Posted: 1/5/2013 3:29 PM
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Now we're getting somewhere
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Any school where the majority of students use the word "y'all" to address a group of two or more...
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this response struck a resonant chord with me as well...
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Posted: 1/5/2013 6:19 PM
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I 100 percent agree with you. I've live I North Carolina my entire life and have met people from midwest towns that would agree.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 11:02 PM
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Any school south of Virginia and east of Texas.
Notable exceptions would be Kentucky and Virginia itself.
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I dare you to visit East Texas or Houston & tell me you're not still in the south
the south ends on the west end somewhere between College Station & Austin
being a "southern school" to me means you indentify culturally & politically with the south
if you can't really "get" that then it means you're not likely really southern, by persona
I see North Carolina as a southern school still, a SEC school, both UNC & NCState actually but the SEC will probably only want one. UNC will be the first choice & I hope UNC obliges & chooses to become part of the SEC.
would be a fabulous fit imo
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Good post, rock.
Agree 100 percent about Houston and east Texas. I love Houston, and, would live there if I ever left NC.
Just from those I've met from the area, I'd put Dallas-Fort Worth in there, too. Truth be known, I do not know that I've ever met a native Texan who didn't have a Southern accent...lol.
If it ever came to pass, my fellow Heels fans owe it to themselves to go to a game at Kyle Field. I've been fortunate enough to go, and, Aggie fans were the most hospitible non-ACC fans I've ever met.
PS...Texas fans in Austin were cool, too. Just giving equal time. ;)
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Posted: 1/6/2013 11:14 AM
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UNC belongs in the SEC! The main reason is money like Dan said. Another reason is The Grove, I want to visit Ole Miss as much as possible. That place is overrun with hotness!!
Also, North Carolina has nothing in common with the north! How anyone that is born and raised in NC can identify more with a yankee is beyond me. The wife and I use to run down to Myrtle Beach several times a year for a quick weekend getaway but not anymore, the yankees have ruined Myrtle!
/RIP Harley Rally Myrtle Beach
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Posted: 1/6/2013 11:15 AM
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All this.
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Technically, the South lies below the Mason-Dixon line, but it is defined more by its dialects, culture, history, cuisine, music, authors, and climate. UNC is a southern school in that its southern tradition is honored and celebrated, and its identity with other southern states is a part of its heritage.
UNC belongs in the SEC much more than in the B1G or the new ACC. To even consider being a part of the B1G is a travesty and an insult to our heritage. The thought is enough to make Silent Sam lock and load.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 11:45 AM
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I'd say a southern school is located in the old confederacy AND draws most of its students from the surrounding region. Dook, for example, is located in the south, but is a northern school, since it is a safety school for northern preppy Ivy League rejects. Since most of the schools in the ACC have traditionally fallen within the criteria I mentioned, I'd consider it a "southern" conference, but that's changing with the expansion.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 10:21 AM
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All this.
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Technically, the South lies below the Mason-Dixon line, but it is defined more by its dialects, culture, history, cuisine, music, authors, and climate. UNC is a southern school in that its southern tradition is honored and celebrated, and its identity with other southern states is a part of its heritage.
UNC belongs in the SEC much more than in the B1G or the new ACC. To even consider being a part of the B1G is a travesty and an insult to our heritage. The thought is enough to make Silent Sam lock and load.
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As if Silent Sam locking and loading is a bad thing...
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