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Posted: 1/4/2013 10:55 AM
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To the OP, if you have to ask, you ain't southern!
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Posted: 1/4/2013 10:57 AM
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FTR, since several people are questioning just how much of a North Carolinian I am, I grew up in Thomasville after being born at High Point Regional Hospital. On my mother's side my ancestors fought for NC in the civil war on the side of the CSA adn Sherman burned our ancestral home. My dad's side is from North Wilksboro at least back into the 1800s.
Frankly, if being a Southern School is all about having a shared history of slavery and Jim Crow, I'd just as soon distance myself and the university from that. I can certainly appreciate a good bourbon (or even a really terrible bourbon depending on the quality of the company) and sundresses are delightful of course but good traditions have a way of filtering over, so I suspect that UNC and UVa to the B1G would result more in the spread of those customs rather than their deaths.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 10:59 AM
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Now we're getting somewhere
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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:23 AM
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Now you've let it slip. You have "white guilt" and want to run from a very small portion of the history of your State and nation in order to make yourself feel better. Got it.
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--- uncAW wrote:
Frankly, if being a Southern School is all about having a shared history of slavery and Jim Crow, I'd just as soon distance myself and the university from that.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:26 AM
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Just curious where do you live? And do you get out and about in North Carolina? Oh and did anyone mention beautiful women in sun dresses?
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i think i mentioned beautiful women and sun dresses lastnight....and makers mark!
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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:43 AM
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"White guilt" or not, slavery and Jim Crow defined the South from the mid 1600's to the late 1960's, so a "very small portion of history" it is not.
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Now you've let it slip. You have "white guilt" and want to run from a very small portion of the history of your State and nation in order to make yourself feel better. Got it.
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--- uncAW wrote:
Frankly, if being a Southern School is all about having a shared history of slavery and Jim Crow, I'd just as soon distance myself and the university from that.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:45 AM
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You were correct, Big 10 fans can be ignorant arrogant pricks.
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makers mark....sun dresses.....beautiful women.....football saturdays.....bbq....sun dresses....beautiful women
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go to another board beotch!
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I think he was adding to your poast, not calling you out. I could be mistaken though. Explain your poast Butt.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 12:05 PM
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I'm afraid I don't have a problem with white guilt. I do have a problem with people who try to co-opt my states history to make it all about slavery and opression. Whether its southerners glorifying it or northerners condemning it - the monolithic viewpoint is not acceptable to me. So if that's all you think there is to being a Southern School then yes, that answers my question. Most don't seem to agree with you though, taxguy. Maybe the issues are yours and not mine.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 12:41 PM
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Frankly, if being a Southern School is all about having a shared history of slavery and Jim Crow, I'd just as soon distance myself and the university from that.
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Being a progressive Southerner does not mean you can distance yourself from your history. There are parts of everyone's history that do not elicit a sense of pride. The fact is that the Southern culture owes very much to the contributions of African Americans, even through the oppression and persecution, and should be embraced as part of the Southern heritage.
And speaking of Southern heritage, to many the Confederate flag, especially to those from outside of the South, is a symbol of slavery. That flag is a symbol of the Southern heritage and way of life. Unfortunately, we cannot pick and choose the perceived meanings of a symbol, and I think we Southerners should be sensitive to the negative connotations of that symbol.
Edit: I did not mean to appear to lecture uncAW. My post was meant to be in the context of the thread.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 12:48 PM
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To this very day I don't understand the whole "white guilt" concept that most people have (mainly most "progressives"). I wasn't alive then. Would I fly Dixie, you bet your bottom dollar! Would I condemn a certain race for just being, absolutely NOT!
I love being from the South. I like getting compliments from people saying how polite I am when I do travel up north. I enjoyed being raised by hard working carpenters and farmers. The South is where I was born and where I'll die. I don't have white guilt over something that happened in the past and no one else should either. It's part of our history... learn about it. Learn about our wonderful state and our southern heritage. Don't run from it just to make someone feel all touchy feely so they won't call you a racist for being born a southerner.
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"White guilt" or not, slavery and Jim Crow defined the South from the mid 1600's to the late 1960's, so a "very small portion of history" it is not.
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Now you've let it slip. You have "white guilt" and want to run from a very small portion of the history of your State and nation in order to make yourself feel better. Got it.
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Frankly, if being a Southern School is all about having a shared history of slavery and Jim Crow, I'd just as soon distance myself and the university from that.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 12:54 PM
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Maybe NCtaxguy can teach a class at UNC about slavery/Jim Crow being a"very small" part of our state and nation's history. Suggested lecture titles-
"The Civil War: Meh. Not so much."
"Slavery in America: 200 years isn't all that long when you think about it"
"Jim Crow: Is that a kind of bourbon? Make mine a double"
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Now you've let it slip. You have "white guilt" and want to run from a very small portion of the history of your State and nation in order to make yourself feel better. Got it.
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Frankly, if being a Southern School is all about having a shared history of slavery and Jim Crow, I'd just as soon distance myself and the university from that.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:22 PM
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Nominated.
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Maybe NCtaxguy can teach a class at UNC about slavery/Jim Crow being a"very small" part of our state and nation's history. Suggested lecture titles-
"The Civil War: Meh. Not so much."
"Slavery in America: 200 years isn't all that long when you think about it"
"Jim Crow: Is that a kind of bourbon? Make mine a double"
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--- NCtaxguy wrote:
Now you've let it slip. You have "white guilt" and want to run from a very small portion of the history of your State and nation in order to make yourself feel better. Got it.
Next thread please.
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--- uncAW wrote:
Frankly, if being a Southern School is all about having a shared history of slavery and Jim Crow, I'd just as soon distance myself and the university from that.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:23 PM
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:38 PM
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Not in the part of of WNC where I grew up, which is Jackson County(Sylva, Cullowhee, etc.). Maybe there were some German families in the Hendersonville area or Rutherfordton, but in southwest North Carolina, it's Scotch-Irish all the way, baby!!! And a little bit of Cherokee Indian thrown in on my Mom's side. ;)
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I am from the same region, and the German blood in that area is pretty thick. Though, for some reason, many people call it "Dutch" instead of German. But the emigre blood is German, not Dutch. Been to Scotland and Germany to see the areas my ancestors were from.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:55 PM
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Not in the part of of WNC where I grew up, which is Jackson County(Sylva, Cullowhee, etc.). Maybe there were some German families in the Hendersonville area or Rutherfordton, but in southwest North Carolina, it's Scotch-Irish all the way, baby!!! And a little bit of Cherokee Indian thrown in on my Mom's side. ;)
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I am from the same region, and the German blood in that area is pretty thick. Though, for some reason, many people call it "Dutch" instead of German. But the emigre blood is German, not Dutch. Been to Scotland and Germany to see the areas my ancestors were from.
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Shadow, i think it is a regional dialect, referring to the fact that Germany is called Deutschland by actual Germans. I.e., the reference to "Dutch" is supposed to be "Deutsch", but over time it became "Dutch" because that is easier to pronounce, or because it just became the local way of referring to the old Deutchse heritage.
from wiki: "The English word Germany derives from the Latin Germania, which came into use after Julius Caesar adopted it for the peoples east of the Rhine. The German term Deutschland (originally diutisciu land, "the German lands") is derived from deutsch, descended from Old High German diutisc "popular" (i.e. belonging to the diot or diota "people").
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:16 PM
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Listen to the lyrics below. If you still don't get it there's no help for you. m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=4tXQDD...v%3D4tXQDDRUvII |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:22 PM
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Not in the part of of WNC where I grew up, which is Jackson County(Sylva, Cullowhee, etc.). Maybe there were some German families in the Hendersonville area or Rutherfordton, but in southwest North Carolina, it's Scotch-Irish all the way, baby!!! And a little bit of Cherokee Indian thrown in on my Mom's side. ;)
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I am from the same region, and the German blood in that area is pretty thick. Though, for some reason, many people call it "Dutch" instead of German. But the emigre blood is German, not Dutch. Been to Scotland and Germany to see the areas my ancestors were from.
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Shadow, i think it is a regional dialect, referring to the fact that Germany is called Deutschland by actual Germans. I.e., the reference to "Dutch" is supposed to be "Deutsch", but over time it became "Dutch" because that is easier to pronounce, or because it just became the local way of referring to the old Deutchse heritage.
from wiki: "The English word Germany derives from the Latin Germania, which came into use after Julius Caesar adopted it for the peoples east of the Rhine. The German term Deutschland (originally diutisciu land, "the German lands") is derived from deutsch, descended from Old High German diutisc "popular" (i.e. belonging to the diot or diota "people").
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I refer to Durham as something similar to Deutschland.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:23 PM
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Tons of German/Dutch heritage in the Piedmont. All the Moravians who came down from Penn and Ohio (that's not a pitch for the Big 10, Shadow, don't worry!). There are lots of Clodfelters and Bodenheimers among the Smiths and Jones there.
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Not in the part of of WNC where I grew up, which is Jackson County(Sylva, Cullowhee, etc.). Maybe there were some German families in the Hendersonville area or Rutherfordton, but in southwest North Carolina, it's Scotch-Irish all the way, baby!!! And a little bit of Cherokee Indian thrown in on my Mom's side. ;)
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I am from the same region, and the German blood in that area is pretty thick. Though, for some reason, many people call it "Dutch" instead of German. But the emigre blood is German, not Dutch. Been to Scotland and Germany to see the areas my ancestors were from.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:26 PM
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Please do me a favor and go away [uncaw]
southern born and southern bred
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:26 PM
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It's only as big a part as you and others want to make it. No one alive has ever been a slave in the context we are referring to in the state of NC or any Southern state.
Did we have laws in this country that precluded specific races from participating in certain activities? Yes. Are there people alive who experienced the repercussions of those laws? Yes. Did I participate in that in any way? No (born in 1979).
No, actually, 200 years isn't actually all that long in the grand scheme of things.
Was slavery atrocious? Absolutely! I am more likely to recognize the contributions our state made to the eradication of slavery and Jim Crow laws then I am to relive the horrors of them. But, I'm not going to profit in any way by living in the past. Those that will usually do.
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Maybe NCtaxguy can teach a class at UNC about slavery/Jim Crow being a"very small" part of our state and nation's history. Suggested lecture titles-
"The Civil War: Meh. Not so much."
"Slavery in America: 200 years isn't all that long when you think about it"
"Jim Crow: Is that a kind of bourbon? Make mine a double"
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Now you've let it slip. You have "white guilt" and want to run from a very small portion of the history of your State and nation in order to make yourself feel better. Got it.
Next thread please.
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--- uncAW wrote:
Frankly, if being a Southern School is all about having a shared history of slavery and Jim Crow, I'd just as soon distance myself and the university from that.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:29 PM
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I nor anyone else in this thread brought up slavery and Jim Crow laws until you introduced it into the conversation. Who, exactly, has the "issue" again?
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I'm afraid I don't have a problem with white guilt. I do have a problem with people who try to co-opt my states history to make it all about slavery and opression. Whether its southerners glorifying it or northerners condemning it - the monolithic viewpoint is not acceptable to me. So if that's all you think there is to being a Southern School then yes, that answers my question. Most don't seem to agree with you though, taxguy. Maybe the issues are yours and not mine.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:32 PM
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You don't want me teaching any class on an anthropological subject. Now, if you want to better understand how every Federal elected official in this country robbed you and your family if trillions more dollars late Tuesday night I'd be more than happy to start a lecture series for you.
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Maybe NCtaxguy can teach a class at UNC about slavery/Jim Crow being a"very small" part of our state and nation's history. Suggested lecture titles-
"The Civil War: Meh. Not so much."
"Slavery in America: 200 years isn't all that long when you think about it"
"Jim Crow: Is that a kind of bourbon? Make mine a double"
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--- NCtaxguy wrote:
Now you've let it slip. You have "white guilt" and want to run from a very small portion of the history of your State and nation in order to make yourself feel better. Got it.
Next thread please.
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--- uncAW wrote:
Frankly, if being a Southern School is all about having a shared history of slavery and Jim Crow, I'd just as soon distance myself and the university from that.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:45 PM
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I will not defend Slavery or Jim Crow, do you defend the replacement of first the black, and now white father by food stamps and the welfare check. It has produced the slavery of government dependence. America was recovering from he first two until replaced by the third.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:45 PM
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Let's not get too political, guys. nasaHEEL and the PTB have been patient so far. Let's not get it locked up!
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You don't want me teaching any class on an anthropological subject. Now, if you want to better understand how every Federal elected official in this country robbed you and your family if trillions more dollars late Tuesday night I'd be more than happy to start a lecture series for you.
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Maybe NCtaxguy can teach a class at UNC about slavery/Jim Crow being a"very small" part of our state and nation's history. Suggested lecture titles-
"The Civil War: Meh. Not so much."
"Slavery in America: 200 years isn't all that long when you think about it"
"Jim Crow: Is that a kind of bourbon? Make mine a double"
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--- NCtaxguy wrote:
Now you've let it slip. You have "white guilt" and want to run from a very small portion of the history of your State and nation in order to make yourself feel better. Got it.
Next thread please.
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--- uncAW wrote:
Frankly, if being a Southern School is all about having a shared history of slavery and Jim Crow, I'd just as soon distance myself and the university from that.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:54 PM
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That's not political, that's a fact. We added $4 trillion in new debt Tuesday night and both parties voted for it.
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Let's not get too political, guys. nasaHEEL and the PTB have been patient so far. Let's not get it locked up!
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--- NCtaxguy wrote:
You don't want me teaching any class on an anthropological subject. Now, if you want to better understand how every Federal elected official in this country robbed you and your family if trillions more dollars late Tuesday night I'd be more than happy to start a lecture series for you.
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--- dadgumgame wrote:
Maybe NCtaxguy can teach a class at UNC about slavery/Jim Crow being a"very small" part of our state and nation's history. Suggested lecture titles-
"The Civil War: Meh. Not so much."
"Slavery in America: 200 years isn't all that long when you think about it"
"Jim Crow: Is that a kind of bourbon? Make mine a double"
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--- NCtaxguy wrote:
Now you've let it slip. You have "white guilt" and want to run from a very small portion of the history of your State and nation in order to make yourself feel better. Got it.
Next thread please.
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--- uncAW wrote:
Frankly, if being a Southern School is all about having a shared history of slavery and Jim Crow, I'd just as soon distance myself and the university from that.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 3:48 PM
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^So you were for raising taxes on the middle class. Good for you.
Time to lock this baby up, mods.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:03 PM
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I presume that said $4 trillion has nothing to do with UNC's conference affiliation or what goes in to making UNC a Southern School. And to your question of who brough up the points of slavery and Jim Crow, I did, after bamaincarolina mentioned that being a Southern School meant you had been a member of the Confederacy during the civil war and uncblueheel mentioned that no one from bama or miss had tried to kill his ancestors. I don't think it requires "white guilt" to make the leap from those statements to mine. Nor am I accusing the people who made those statements of bring racists or anything of the sort.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:45 PM
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From where in my statement did you get that?
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^So you were for raising taxes on the middle class. Good for you.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:47 PM
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Neither if those comments reference slavery or Jim Crow laws you made that jump all by yourself.
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I presume that said $4 trillion has nothing to do with UNC's conference affiliation or what goes in to making UNC a Southern School. And to your question of who brough up the points of slavery and Jim Crow, I did, after bamaincarolina mentioned that being a Southern School meant you had been a member of the Confederacy during the civil war and uncblueheel mentioned that no one from bama or miss had tried to kill his ancestors. I don't think it requires "white guilt" to make the leap from those statements to mine. Nor am I accusing the people who made those statements of bring racists or anything of the sort.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 5:10 PM
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You do understand the causal nexus leading up to the civil war and how most states ended up on one side or the other, right? Maybe you should add another class to your CV.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 5:17 PM
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The Civil War was predicated upon the infringement of the central, Federal government into the sovereignty of the individual states. The US is a republic and each state is supposed to be its own sovereign with a central government for the SOLE purposes of mutual military protection and regulation of interstate commerce. The issue of slavery was ancillary to the succession of the Confedarate states.
I'm sure I coulld learn more on this subject but I believe I have a good understanding of the basics.
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You do understand the causal nexus leading up to the civil war and how most states ended up on one side or the other, right? Maybe you should add another class to your CV.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 5:28 PM
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And the violation of states' sovereignty the federal government was committing was its attempt to limit the western expansion of slavery into new territories. You understand that states rights, in this case are tantamount to slavery. Its all semantics and to try to deny that the CSA formed in order to protect the institution of slavery is as revisionist as it is a disservice to the history of NC.
That being said, if the reason you want to be in a conference with other Southern Schools is that you can commiserate with history revisionists, that's your right. I just don't find the reasoning terribly compelling.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 5:31 PM
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can we please move beyond slavery and politics and get this thread back on track?....makers mark.....bbq...beautiful women...sun dresses...fall afternoons in kenan....beautiful women.....sun dresses.......chapel hill....makers mark....beautiful women...
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Posted: 1/4/2013 5:37 PM
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A brilliant idea! As for the reason of fall afternoons in Kenan, I'm pretty sure we get 1/2 our games at home regardless of conference affiliation.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 5:56 PM
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Ka- boom. Well done.
Let's do get back to football--unless NCTax guy doesn't want to join in with a bunch of "obviously low level, paid by the hour pee ons that have never signed an employment contract" types in discussing our conference affiliation.
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And the violation of states' sovereignty the federal government was committing was its attempt to limit the western expansion of slavery into new territories. You understand that states rights, in this case are tantamount to slavery. Its all semantics and to try to deny that the CSA formed in order to protect the institution of slavery is as revisionist as it is a disservice to the history of NC.
That being said, if the reason you want to be in a conference with other Southern Schools is that you can commiserate with history revisionists, that's your right. I just don't find the reasoning terribly compelling.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 6:03 PM
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Ka- boom. Well done.
Let's do get back to football--unless NCTax guy doesn't want to join in with a bunch of "obviously low level, paid by the hour pee ons that have never signed an employment contract" types in discussing our conference affiliation.
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And the violation of states' sovereignty the federal government was committing was its attempt to limit the western expansion of slavery into new territories. You understand that states rights, in this case are tantamount to slavery. Its all semantics and to try to deny that the CSA formed in order to protect the institution of slavery is as revisionist as it is a disservice to the history of NC.
That being said, if the reason you want to be in a conference with other Southern Schools is that you can commiserate with history revisionists, that's your right. I just don't find the reasoning terribly compelling.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 6:17 PM
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I believe the best conference for UNC is the ACC in its current form. Unfortunately the current form is doomed. Whichever team of us and iNCeST that ends up in the SEC will rule this state for football for the next 30 years, so I project we should go to the SEC as soon as feasible.
Y'all happy?
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Posted: 1/4/2013 6:33 PM
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Okay, so for you, it has nothing to do with being a Southern School. I'm not convinced I agree with the other point either though. USCe went to the SEC in '71 and I would say that Clemson def ruled the state's football until very recently. USCe mostly just went to the SEC and sucked for several decades. I imagine the aggies would have an even more difficult time climbing the hill to relevancy than did USCe.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 7:02 PM
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South Carolina did not join the SEC in 1971. That's the year the school left the ACC.
It was an independent from then until 1983, when it joined the Metro Conference. In 1991, it entered the SEC.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 7:21 PM
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Sorry, mental lapse on my part, the fact remains they basically sucked for a long time before Spurrier decided to come and save them.
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