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The Kane reply. If anyone can make sense out of this rambling, more power to you.

Loser who can't write. Maybe the state college Technician will hire him.

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I'm not clicking it. Somebody paste it here.

Daniel Kane went all in on his attempt to bring down UNC. Now that is has failed, he is desperately trying to prove that he knows that there is more, despite having no evidence at all.

god it has to suck to be a wulfpecker. they have gotten the football pulled out from under them more than Charlie Brown, yet they keep on running full steam at that sucker ever time, with the same results = falling flat on their backsides with the wind knocked out of them.

this is so funny to watch over and over again.

Where did this guy get his yellow journalism degree? He can't write worth a .....


Former Gov. Jim Martin in a letter in today's paper objects to a couple points in our Sunday story on his report into long-running academic fraud at UNC-Chapel Hill's African studies department.
It has to do with a conclusion he delivered to the UNC Board of Trustees on Dec. 20. That finding would help absolve athletics officials and academic support staff for athletes of any wrongdoing because Martin said they had twice sounded a warning about suspect classes.
"On two occasions (in 2002 and 2006)," Martin told the trustees, "leaders of Academic Support for Student Athletes brought to the Faculty Athletic Committee their concerns about students taking nominally lecture courses that did not meet and only required one 20-page term paper, and other forms of questionable independent study."
His letter first appears to say our Sunday report hadn't shown enough homework:
"In checking this, you found three members of the committee who deny this was presented, only one of whom was present in April 2002."
Readers should know that our stories don't always include every interview that we do for our reporting. In this case, we interviewed five members of the 2002 committee who said they either did not recollect such a warning or say it never happened. They include the chairman, Dr. Stanley Mandel, and faculty members Lissa Broome, Nick Didow, Gar Hershey, and Celia Hooper. (A sixth, Jim Murphy, briefly said he had no recollection before his wife hung up the telephone.)
Martin's report said the same concerns were raised in 2006. The meeting minutes show references to independent studies being discussed in November 2006 and January 2007. We interviewed three faculty members at the November meeting -- Broome, Steve Reznick and Desmond Runyan, and then Chancellor James Moeser, who was listed as in attendance, and four who were in attendance at the January meeting, Broome, Hershey, Reznick and Barbara Wildemuth. None remembered being warned about suspect classes.
Martin interviewed none of these people. He said that Broome told him after he released his report that he had gotten it right. We talked with Broome after the report was released. She said the same thing she told me earlier, that she didn't remember a warning.
Martin's letter continues:
"While discrediting testimony on behalf of ASPSA as self-serving, you need similar skepticism about motives of the accusers."
Martin's basis for the red flag finding comes from officials with close ties to athletics: former athletic director Dick Baddour, senior associate director John Blanchard, former academic support director Robert Mercer and Jack Evans, a business professor and former longtime faculty NCAA representative. He acknowledged that those tied to athletics would have a reason to make up a story.
But he also said they were backed up by two others who do not have ties to athletics: Chancellor Holden Thorp and Laurie Maffly-Kipp, who co-authored a special faculty report on the academic fraud that was released July 26.
That report was the first mention of academic support being told not to question how classes are taught. It came after we had broken a big story on the case, that Nyang'oro had formed a no-show class four days before the start of a summer semester and it immediately filled with football players. Thorp said in that story that academic support staff helped the players enroll in a class that staff knew did not meet.
Maffly-Kipp has now acknowledged that she and her colleagues on the special committee never investigated the red flag claim. That information was provided to her by Thorp. His spokeswoman referred me to the 2002 minutes.
Which brings us back to the remaining point in Martin's letter:
"The minutes of that meeting clearly state that this subject was discussed, and there is an appended 'Report on Independent Studies.' For our part, we relied on this and four witnesses who were there and affirmed it happened, plus a later conversation with a participant who did not deny it."
We reviewed the minutes and posted them online for readers to judge for themselves. (They are also attached to this post.) We did not see a warning about lecture style classes that didn't meet, or out-of-control independent studies. There is nothing in the "Report on Independent Studies" or in the minutes that suggest any kind of problem with the African studies department.
Blanchard was an author of the 2002 independent studies report. He said he does not remember much about it other than "just reporting on independent studies." He said he twice raised concerns to the committee in 2006 about an African studies professor offering lecture-style classes as independent studies. We asked if he had any records or correspondence to back up that assertion. He said he had none.

If you read the comments under Kane's blog, he gets slapped around some more.
I read the first attachment from the 2002 meeting, and the WHOLE FIRST PAGE is a discussion of athletes and non-athletes and the level of independent study participation. The committee concluded nothing extraordinary was going on, and that they would continue to monitor it.
So, why was it even discussed if someone had not raised a question about it?
Kane's only out that I see is that the minutes do not specifically say something to the effect, "This discussion is in response to a question raised by so and so". But then it goes on at length to spell out the committee's discussion of exactly the problem that is not specifically referenced.
Mind boggling. And anger inducing. But it's really not worth it because absolutely no one outside of West Raleigh cares or even thinks there is any more to this story.

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The Kane reply. If anyone can make sense out of this rambling, more power to you.

Loser who can't write. Maybe the state college Technician will hire him.

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Coach, i agree generally with your and others' policy of not clicking on N&O articles, b/c it gives them hits.

but in this case, i think you should consider an exception to that policy to read Gov. Martin's very well-written and succint response to the crap that the N&O editorial staff and Dushbag Kane have been printing. it was written by Gov. Martin, not the N&O dummies, so giving that hits is not the same thing as giving hits to the N&O staff (in my opinion at least).

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St. John Fisher

A college so prestigious it is ranked.

"Fisher is ranked by U.S. News & World Report among the Doctoral Research Universities (DRU), which reflects the college's growth in the area of doctoral program offerings." See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John_Fisher_College

DK got owned by the former governor because DK had no evidence merely, conjecture which was wiped away in one fell swoop. Kane's response was so powerful it wasn't even printed in the paper where he works.

His most brilliant move was to provide even more solid evidence underscoring the validity and accuracy of the Martin Report.

Like I have said before, DK will be out of job before years end.
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St. John Fisher

A college so prestigious it is ranked.

"Fisher is ranked by U.S. News & World Report among the Doctoral Research Universities (DRU), which reflects the college's growth in the area of doctoral program offerings." See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John_Fisher_College

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--- UNCUSN wrote:

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The Kane reply. If anyone can make sense out of this rambling, more power to you.

Loser who can't write. Maybe the state college Technician will hire him.

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Coach, i agree generally with your and others' policy of not clicking on N&O articles, b/c it gives them hits.

but in this case, i think you should consider an exception to that policy to read Gov. Martin's very well-written and succint response to the crap that the N&O editorial staff and Dushbag Kane have been printing. it was written by Gov. Martin, not the N&O dummies, so giving that hits is not the same thing as giving hits to the N&O staff (in my opinion at least).

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Yeah, I read Martin's. Somebody posted it here.

---''History Professor Jay Smith offered to provide witnesses, but they never came forward to support his accusations. Now he complains that we did not return for a second interview, but my judgment was that he was not a useful source.''---

OUCH! That comment is going to leave a mark.

And, it could not happen to a more deserving self-righteous human being.

John, be a man and show your 'nad-less loins in public. You too, Dan Kane.

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John Dresher just got smacked in the face by a 2x4 with Jim Martins name on it. Martin called out the N&O, it's reporters and disgruntled UNC employees who are full of accusations but no evidence.

I'm just shocked John had the intestinal fortitude to actually print facts that show his incredible lack of journalistic integrity or ability in his own paper.

John, be a man and wear that black eye out in public.

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---''History Professor Jay Smith offered to provide witnesses, but they never came forward to support his accusations. Now he complains that we did not return for a second interview, but my judgment was that he was not a useful source.''---

OUCH! That comment is going to leave a mark.

And, it could not happen to a more deserving self-righteous human being.

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Just went to the history department's web site. Perhaps Northern Illinois or Michigan will call the professor home. I feel certain the Wolverines would enjoy his presence...

Look, the motivation for the N&O has always been obvious. They just don't have the nads to admit it. If they did, I would find it somewhat refreshing to hear Jon Drescher stand up and say, "we couldn't care less about what went on, we just want to sell a few papers and will do whatever it takes, ethical or not, to do it". At least that would be the truth.

The complete scam that they're trying to pass on to most of their readers is that they are concerned about integrity and honesty in college athletics, which is not only a lie of monumental proportions, it's insulting to anyone with average intellect. I suppose that's why most agdog fans suck up everything they write and why the N&O has clearly made them their target reader. It's absolutely obvious.

Drescher would sell his first born for a story that would boost the N&Os rep, so allowing some very questionable tactics by people like Kane and Curliss would be about as concerning as swatting a fly away during a summer picnic. The man sold out long ago, so appealing to his integrity and professionalism is a complete waste of time. One can't appeal to something that isn't there.

^ yep. Newspapers are dying, especially his. As is evidenced by the fact that they have instituted the online charge to create another revenue stream. DK will have to take his impressive degree and find a real job......."Would you like fries with your sandwich today?"

^ That might be more difficult for him than you might otherwise think. St8 fans would be angry that he was trying to take a job from a former wuffie, say... T A McClendon.

Thje Greensboro News and Records editorial is on what is missing in Martins report basically backing up Kane, Ridiculous. These guys are becoming pathetic, but it sure gets the dookie and wolfpeckers juices flowing. Oh for the 2nd straight day our paper does not mention or have the score of the Sugar Bowl. Fiesta Bowl is listed as too late. The quality of this paper is becoming so laughable it isn't funny any more.

I liked this reply to the N&R editorial by a Michael Sampson:

"Um, did you read the minutes yourself? They CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY denote discussions of "independent studies and student-athletes" and include both details about specific courses, the grades in those courses, and the number of student-athletes in those courses. Does nobody at the news and record actually research before writing the editorial or did you just rely on the n&o's biased retort which was wrong. Thanks for exposing your lack of journalistic integrity and laziness."

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St. John Fisher

A college so prestigious it is ranked.

"Fisher is ranked by U.S. News & World Report among the Doctoral Research Universities (DRU), which reflects the college's growth in the area of doctoral program offerings." See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John_Fisher_College

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Saint John Fisher College is ranked #151 by USNWR

It has an acceptance rate of 67%

ncst is ranked #106 with a 53% acceptance rate

EZU is ranked #199 with a 60 % acceptance rate

Check this out....
www.forbes.com/sites/darrenhei...running-deeper/

Make sure you scroll down to the comment from Gov. Martin and the last quote from Mark Twain.

Jim Martin, Former Governor of North Carolina, Responds:

Let me respond to your criticism (based solely on the Raleigh News and Observer) of my review of academic misconduct at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. I was assisted by the Baker Tilly firm in examining the computer data on every course section offered by every instructor to every student for the last 18 years. We compared results for all athletes, and non-athletes, including fraternities and other student organizations. We found evidence of a serious academic fraud and reported it two weeks ago.

My conclusion that the Academic Support Program for Student Athletes raised questions at the Faculty Athletic Committee about so many forms of “independent studies” was based on four witnesses who were there, and several others who knew about it, and on a separate report of a special subcommittee of the Faculty Executive Committee, and on the actual Minutes of the April 2002 meeting of the Faculty Athletic Committee. They were told not to worry about pedagogy, as instructors had wide latitude how to teach courses.

The Minutes report that THE major item of the April 2002 agenda was “Independent Study Registrations by Student Athletes.” There is a nearly 200-word description of that discussion and a 2-page attachment, “Report on Independent Studies.” The latter describes seven independent studies courses of different kinds, two of which were in the African and Afro American Studies Department (AFRI/AFAM). As is typical with Minutes, there is no verbatim account of who said what to whom. We relied on witnesses who were there. This issue has remained a concern of the Committee. Athletes’ Counselors have taken the view that if a course is offered by the Faculty, it is legitimate and any student may enroll if eligible. That is clearly an academic issue, and a very serious one.

Only one witness has now come forward to dispute this, as you stated. It is curious that he would deny that there was any discussion, when the Minutes show that it was discussed, and that it was a continuing concern. Perhaps you and the News and Observer should have questioned his motives the way you questioned mine.

For your information, I devoted the better part of the previous four months to dig out as much as could be documented. My report found strong evidence that the anomalous courses in AFRI/AFAM (approved lecture courses that in fact did not meet but required only one term paper) began in 1997, a few months after it got full departmental status. Other AFRI/AFAM faculty had their signatures forged on grade rolls and grade changes, but no evidence was found that implicated anyone in the scandal other than the department chairman and administrator.

No evidence was found that any other academic department had any similar abuse. No evidence was found of collusion with any coach or other official in the Athletics Department, or its booster club, whose financial records we examined in detail. You and others may find this hard to believe, but I believe that findings and conclusions should be based on evidence, not hearsay and imagination.

For your writers to use innuendo to accuse me of “borderline fraudulent statements” is rather harsh, given that they know nothing, and rely on one erroneous news story. Mark Twain said “If you don’t read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.” He was joking about that, of course, as am I.

Respectfully,

Jim Martin
Former Governor of North Carolina

Good gosh, that was a strong reply from Martin!!

Jim Martin, Former Governor of North Carolina, Responds:

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Only one witness has now come forward to dispute this, as you stated. It is curious that he would deny that there was any discussion, when the Minutes show that it was discussed, and that it was a continuing concern. Perhaps you and the News and Observer should have questioned his motives the way you questioned mine.

...

No evidence was found that any other academic department had any similar abuse. No evidence was found of collusion with any coach or other official in the Athletics Department, or its booster club, whose financial records we examined in detail. You and others may find this hard to believe, but I believe that findings and conclusions should be based on evidence, not hearsay and imagination.

...

For your writers to use innuendo to accuse me of “borderline fraudulent statements” is rather harsh, given that they know nothing, and rely on one erroneous news story. Mark Twain said “If you don’t read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.” He was joking about that, of course, as am I.

Respectfully,

Jim Martin
Former Governor of North Carolina






That's gotta hurt.

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I liked this reply to the N&R editorial by a Michael Sampson:

"Um, did you read the minutes yourself? They CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY denote discussions of "independent studies and student-athletes" and include both details about specific courses, the grades in those courses, and the number of student-athletes in those courses. Does nobody at the news and record actually research before writing the editorial or did you just rely on the n&o's biased retort which was wrong. Thanks for exposing your lack of journalistic integrity and laziness."

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Why, thank you! It is amazing how easy it is to make up a name to post a reader comment on their website. My childhood address and phone number helped, too!

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Check this out....
www.forbes.com/sites/darrenhei...running-deeper/

Make sure you scroll down to the comment from Gov. Martin and the last quote from Mark Twain.

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Heitner just pulled the Forbes article and he's getting absolutely blasted by people on twitter.

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Check this out....
www.forbes.com/sites/darrenhei...running-deeper/

Make sure you scroll down to the comment from Gov. Martin and the last quote from Mark Twain.

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Heitner just pulled the Forbes article and he's getting absolutely blasted by people on twitter.

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Heitner may be a phony, but he dosn't want to get lumped in with the slimeball liar Kane. Running from it now like a thief. The tide is now turning in our favor, thanks to the honorable former governor.

He ripped down the article now.

Ha.

"We can't seem to find the page you requested. Please visit our homepage or try the search box below."

-- Forbes online

Heitner is running from Kane and the N&O so fast he left tire tracks -- made by a 1963 Pontiac Tempest.

@gtheel @jadamlucas I pulled it myself. Didn't think the article represented the quality of work my readers should demand of me.

What did Heitner say? I tried to access the article.

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Ha.

"We can't seem to find the page you requested. Please visit our homepage or try the search box below."

-- Forbes online

Heitner is running from Kane and the N&O so fast he left tire tracks -- made by a 1963 Pontiac Tempest.

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Not sure who the brilliant UNC fan that did this is, but I greatly enjoyed seeing this on Heitner's Wikipedia page:

On January 4, 2013, Mr. Heitner was caught repeating the unfounded and debunked accusations of another media outlet without fact-checking himself in one of his Forbes online pieces. The piece was subsequently removed without retraction or apology.[25]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Heitner

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What did Heitner say? I tried to access the article.

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Check out Donald Pack's comments to Heitner's article.

Donald Pack 1 hour ago

Darren
Couple of points:
1) Gov. Martin is a 77 year old chemistry graduate from Princeton. He was a Professor at Davidson IIRC> He really has no reason at all to ruin his reputation as a politician or academic by lending himself to conclusions or statements that constitute “borderline fraudulent” anything.

2) I find it ironic that you pass off as original writing without attribution an analysis done by a reporter at the News & Observer when the purpose of the UNC investigation was academic fraud involving, in part, plagiarism.

Let me help you understand this case:
A single professor and his assistant committed some serious errors in judgment in how they ran classes (why they did this could have been as simple as getting enrollment up in a slow major). A sadsack of a coach with money problems (due to owning multiple homes in an economic downturn he could not sell) turned to the godfather of his child (who was an agent) for money. A handful of students committed plagiarism and a former tutor did work on papers which in some cases if the athletes had been regular students would have been allowed by the academic support center and in others went over the line. A number of students took improper financial benefits (4 players IIRC got cash or gifts which ranged from $3,000-$13,000 IIRC) which in some cases involved travel benefits like sleeping on a friends couch or getting picked up at the airport by that friend.

The University has been forthright with the NCAA when they discovered improprieties. They have done an internal and external investigation over and above what the NCAA investigation covered.

That is a summation of the sins of the University. They have accepted the NCAA punishment.

The Kennedy assassination will be 50 years old this year. Conspiracy theories still abound about what happened in Dealey Plaza. Hopefully, nonsense like your plagiarized article won’t take that long to go away.

I hope you’re a better lawyer than sports commentator.

Donald Pack
UNC BA 1974
ECU MBA 1981

Governor Martin's response was direct, to the point and in my opinion completely discredits the Kane blog posting. I sense that the Governor does not like to have his work product called sloppy and incompetent. Good for him! I have known Jim Martin from the time he was Chair of the Mecklenburg County Commission prior to his election as Governor. He was and is intelligent, articulate and a straight shooter. The N&O efforts to smear his work are shameless.

About the only thing I would disagree with the good governor is when he called the N & O's reporters "excellent". You get more factual reporting from the "World News". I'd buy a supermarket rag sheet before I'd by an N&O. (Or, shouldn't they call it the B & O)?

The n&o made a big mistake questioning the integrity of Jim Martin because he has immediately taken them to task for their blatant lies. It's shameless our UNC admins didn't do the same, but at least there's one man in the house.

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Not sure who the brilliant UNC fan that did this is, but I greatly enjoyed seeing this on Heitner's Wikipedia page:

On January 4, 2013, Mr. Heitner was caught repeating the unfounded and debunked accusations of another media outlet without fact-checking himself in one of his Forbes online pieces. The piece was subsequently removed without retraction or apology.[25]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Heitner

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see LuridHam, p.9 of the thread on ZZL

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The n&o made a big mistake questioning the integrity of Jim Martin because he has immediately taken them to task for their blatant lies. It's shameless our UNC admins didn't do the same, but at least there's one man in the house.

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it is refreshing to see someone actually fight back.

Dan Kane sounds like my ex wife. I thought that only she could work so hard to make so much sense out of so much nonsense.

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About the only thing I would disagree with the good governor is when he called the N & O's reporters "excellent". You get more factual reporting from the "World News". I'd buy a supermarket rag sheet before I'd by an N&O. (Or, shouldn't they call it the B & O)?

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That was my favorite part. The sarcasm was dripping from every letter of the word.

Where was this published? Would love to send the link to some Moo U friends of mine.

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Jim Martin, Former Governor of North Carolina, Responds:

Let me respond to your criticism (based solely on the Raleigh News and Observer) of my review of academic misconduct at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. I was assisted by the Baker Tilly firm in examining the computer data on every course section offered by every instructor to every student for the last 18 years. We compared results for all athletes, and non-athletes, including fraternities and other student organizations. We found evidence of a serious academic fraud and reported it two weeks ago.

My conclusion that the Academic Support Program for Student Athletes raised questions at the Faculty Athletic Committee about so many forms of “independent studies” was based on four witnesses who were there, and several others who knew about it, and on a separate report of a special subcommittee of the Faculty Executive Committee, and on the actual Minutes of the April 2002 meeting of the Faculty Athletic Committee. They were told not to worry about pedagogy, as instructors had wide latitude how to teach courses.

The Minutes report that THE major item of the April 2002 agenda was “Independent Study Registrations by Student Athletes.” There is a nearly 200-word description of that discussion and a 2-page attachment, “Report on Independent Studies.” The latter describes seven independent studies courses of different kinds, two of which were in the African and Afro American Studies Department (AFRI/AFAM). As is typical with Minutes, there is no verbatim account of who said what to whom. We relied on witnesses who were there. This issue has remained a concern of the Committee. Athletes’ Counselors have taken the view that if a course is offered by the Faculty, it is legitimate and any student may enroll if eligible. That is clearly an academic issue, and a very serious one.

Only one witness has now come forward to dispute this, as you stated. It is curious that he would deny that there was any discussion, when the Minutes show that it was discussed, and that it was a continuing concern. Perhaps you and the News and Observer should have questioned his motives the way you questioned mine.

For your information, I devoted the better part of the previous four months to dig out as much as could be documented. My report found strong evidence that the anomalous courses in AFRI/AFAM (approved lecture courses that in fact did not meet but required only one term paper) began in 1997, a few months after it got full departmental status. Other AFRI/AFAM faculty had their signatures forged on grade rolls and grade changes, but no evidence was found that implicated anyone in the scandal other than the department chairman and administrator.

No evidence was found that any other academic department had any similar abuse. No evidence was found of collusion with any coach or other official in the Athletics Department, or its booster club, whose financial records we examined in detail. You and others may find this hard to believe, but I believe that findings and conclusions should be based on evidence, not hearsay and imagination.

For your writers to use innuendo to accuse me of “borderline fraudulent statements” is rather harsh, given that they know nothing, and rely on one erroneous news story. Mark Twain said “If you don’t read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.” He was joking about that, of course, as am I.

Respectfully,

Jim Martin
Former Governor of North Carolina

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I hope to see Dan Kane in front of a judge soon defending himself in a slander suit.