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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:54 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Will someone please explain to this ignorant Southerner what the CIC ,the ACC or grants. Have to do with what sports conference u r Inc
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--- 1998Heel wrote:
It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:13 PM
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I went to high school outside of Boston. I had friends who went to school in Chicago. As much as we might joke about the Civil War I will say there are still real cultural differences across the country. There is such a think as a Yankee, and there is such a thing as a southerner. No matter how much has changed in Virginia and North Carolina over the past twenty years they remain part of the south. I'm proud of that culture, I'm proud of being a southerner, and I have little interest in being shackled to a Mid-western conference which doesn't understand us.
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only difference is northerners say there isn't a hell! us southerners say to hell there ain't!
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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:17 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
If you're correct------We'll be left way behind in the world of college football relevance and revenue.
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--- Jason113 wrote:
Won't happen. I'm convinced that UNC will stick with the ACC until the bitter end.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:24 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Will someone please translate this ignorant northerner's attempt at a sentence? Actually I know what he is saying ...but d@mn...
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
Will someone please explain to this ignorant Southerner what the CIC ,the ACC or grants. Have to do with what sports conference u r Inc
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--- 1998Heel wrote:
It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:07 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
"As a child, the most disapointing thing i found out growing up was that adults were no different than us"- T.S. Williams
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Posted: 11/25/2012 11:49 PM
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
Will someone please explain to this ignorant Southerner what the CIC ,the ACC or grants. Have to do with what sports conference u r Inc
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--- 1998Heel wrote:
It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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I'll help.
All Big Ten schools are a part of the AAU and CIC. Nebraska is our black sheep in that sense because they just recently lost their AAU designation.
In short, the AAU and the CIC revolve around academic standards for your university and big-time research. The Big Ten schools work together to secure research grants and share information.
Last year, the CIC received a 12.5 percent share in the $8 BILLION available in federal grants for university research. There are 13 schools in the Big Ten (in the CIC, we keep our old ties with the university of Chicago, an old big ten member, thus 13 schools).
Do the math. 12.5 percent times $8 billion. That's one billion dollars in research money awarded to CIC institutions.
If evenly split (which depends on who gets what grants approved), that is almost $77 million per year for school research, keeping your academics very, very happy. In fact, they will be ecstatic. Which might be why they would push for this change.
Combine that with Big Ten Network revenues that look to be over $40 million per year in the near future, both your athletic and academic department look to make a WINDFALL.
I understand the cultural issue I have been reading on here. But all parts of your university would make a MINT with this move, while showing they "care as much about academics as they do big time sports".
Hope that helps.
Last edited 11/25/2012 11:54 PM by IhatepondscUM
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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:15 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
It does but nothing would preclude us from working with you or anyone else to procure the same grants just as we could right now if we both opted to.
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
Will someone please explain to this ignorant Southerner what the CIC ,the ACC or grants. Have to do with what sports conference u r Inc
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--- 1998Heel wrote:
It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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I'll help.
All Big Ten schools are a part of the AAU and CIC. Nebraska is our black sheep in that sense because they just recently lost their AAU designation.
In short, the AAU and the CIC revolve around academic standards for your university and big-time research. The Big Ten schools work together to secure research grants and share information.
Last year, the CIC received a 12.5 percent share in the $8 BILLION available in federal grants for university research. There are 13 schools in the Big Ten (in the CIC, we keep our old ties with the university of Chicago, an old big ten member, thus 13 schools).
Do the math. 12.5 percent times $8 billion. That's one billion dollars in research money awarded to CIC institutions.
If evenly split (which depends on who gets what grants approved), that is almost $77 million per year for school research, keeping your academics very, very happy. In fact, they will be ecstatic. Which might be why they would push for this change.
Combine that with Big Ten Network revenues that look to be over $40 million per year in the near future, both your athletic and academic department look to make a WINDFALL.
I understand the cultural issue I have been reading on here. But all parts of your university would make a MINT with this move, while showing they "care as much about academics as they do big time sports".
Hope that helps.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:17 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
It was sent from my phone and I don't see so good anymore.
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--- TboneTarheel wrote:
Will someone please translate this ignorant northerner's attempt at a sentence? Actually I know what he is saying ...but d@mn...
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
Will someone please explain to this ignorant Southerner what the CIC ,the ACC or grants. Have to do with what sports conference u r Inc
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--- 1998Heel wrote:
It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 1:17 AM
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The GOR essentially cements a teams 1st and 2nd tier media rights to the conference instead of the individual school. It is the ultimate move to stop moving. Teams that have a long term GOR are pretty much worthless to a new conference till their old GOR expires. This keeps teams in place.
The CIC is a research consortium that is exclusively in the B10 that shares knowledge, grant designs and research concepts and finding initiatives. Essentially it is like a sports conference, but for academics with all groups working together for the most part.
In simple terms GOR locks teams in place so they can't leave and the CIC is like academic porn. Both are important and will influence the eventual outcomes in this realignment saga.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 5:35 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Not trying to defend Draymond but this entire thread is about crapping on the B1G and you're upset with him because he defends his conference? Clearly he could have been more articulate and he shouldn't have brought in the part about demographics but you should look at some of the statements from your fellow Tarheels.If you go on any B1G board they speaking glowingly of UNC, even the people who believe that the B1G shouldn't add them. But maybe you have a point that it's a cultural difference and if most Heels fan are like some in this thread they wouldn't fit in the B1G.
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--- F00tbaII wrote:
You're doing a great job representing your conference. I'm sure your posts will have everyone hear begging to join your conference.
In all seriousness, do you honestly think talking down to people here is a good recruiting pitch for the Big 10? I wonder if this attitude could be a sort of superiority complex due to our 2 schools recent history between each other...
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--- DraymondGreen wrote:
Associating with a bunch of junior colleges is synergenic?
NC and Virginia are no longer deep south states after the massive influx of a college-educated workforce. NC has more in common with Pennsylvania and Ohio than the states bordering you to the south and west. I have a feeling demographics would agree with me.
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--- jsf5259 wrote:
Notre Dame is not a full member, thus the whole synergizing thing you refer to is not complete..I would say we have much more "synergy" with schools in the SEC now than we do with most of the ACC schools now whom were not charter members
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Did you feel the synergy with Notre Dame or was that just gas?
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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:
Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 5:43 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
No one is excited to play Indiana just like no one gets excited to play Vandy, Kentucky, Mississippi or Mississippi state. Would people really be amped to see the train wreck show that is Arkansas, Tennessee, Missouri or Auburn in the SEC. There are about 3 teams in the SEC east you'd be excited for the same as the B1G east. I bet if you played Michigan, OSU or Penn State your stadium would be sold out.
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
It was sent from my phone and I don't see so good anymore.
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--- TboneTarheel wrote:
Will someone please translate this ignorant northerner's attempt at a sentence? Actually I know what he is saying ...but d@mn...
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
Will someone please explain to this ignorant Southerner what the CIC ,the ACC or grants. Have to do with what sports conference u r Inc
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--- 1998Heel wrote:
It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 6:34 AM
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I'll help.
All Big Ten schools are a part of the AAU and CIC. Nebraska is our black sheep in that sense because they just recently lost their AAU designation.
In short, the AAU and the CIC revolve around academic standards for your university and big-time research. The Big Ten schools work together to secure research grants and share information.
Last year, the CIC received a 12.5 percent share in the $8 BILLION available in federal grants for university research. There are 13 schools in the Big Ten (in the CIC, we keep our old ties with the university of Chicago, an old big ten member, thus 13 schools).
Do the math. 12.5 percent times $8 billion. That's one billion dollars in research money awarded to CIC institutions.
If evenly split (which depends on who gets what grants approved), that is almost $77 million per year for school research, keeping your academics very, very happy. In fact, they will be ecstatic. Which might be why they would push for this change.
Combine that with Big Ten Network revenues that look to be over $40 million per year in the near future, both your athletic and academic department look to make a WINDFALL.
I understand the cultural issue I have been reading on here. But all parts of your university would make a MINT with this move, while showing they "care as much about academics as they do big time sports".
Hope that helps.
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Is that 12.5% awarded directly to the CIC or is it just the sum of the grants awarded to the individual universities?
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Posted: 11/26/2012 6:46 AM
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I'll help.
All Big Ten schools are a part of the AAU and CIC. Nebraska is our black sheep in that sense because they just recently lost their AAU designation.
In short, the AAU and the CIC revolve around academic standards for your university and big-time research. The Big Ten schools work together to secure research grants and share information.
Last year, the CIC received a 12.5 percent share in the $8 BILLION available in federal grants for university research. There are 13 schools in the Big Ten (in the CIC, we keep our old ties with the university of Chicago, an old big ten member, thus 13 schools).
Do the math. 12.5 percent times $8 billion. That's one billion dollars in research money awarded to CIC institutions.
If evenly split (which depends on who gets what grants approved), that is almost $77 million per year for school research, keeping your academics very, very happy. In fact, they will be ecstatic. Which might be why they would push for this change.
Combine that with Big Ten Network revenues that look to be over $40 million per year in the near future, both your athletic and academic department look to make a WINDFALL.
I understand the cultural issue I have been reading on here. But all parts of your university would make a MINT with this move, while showing they "care as much about academics as they do big time sports".
Hope that helps.
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Is that 12.5% awarded directly to the CIC or is it just the sum of the grants awarded to the individual universities?
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hmmm, i see what you are asking there.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 7:26 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Late on this Flyingfish, but you are wrong about this as far as I am concerned. I would be excited about a trip to The Grove, Between the Hedges, The Swamp, UT, Lexington, Charlottesville and God Forbid even Columbia, as well as Tiger Stadium and 'Bama sometimes. I have little interest in trips to Happy Valley or even to the Big House, much less East Lansing, Minnesota, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Wisconsin, Purdue, Champagne, Northwestern, or Iowa. That leaves OSU and Nebraska (which we would likely play every 3/4 years). My interest in having those teams come in is commiserate with my desire to travel to their place. Any questions?
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--- FlyingFish13 wrote:
No one is excited to play Indiana just like no one gets excited to play Vandy, Kentucky, Mississippi or Mississippi state. Would people really be amped to see the train wreck show that is Arkansas, Tennessee, Missouri or Auburn in the SEC. There are about 3 teams in the SEC east you'd be excited for the same as the B1G east. I bet if you played Michigan, OSU or Penn State your stadium would be sold out.
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
It was sent from my phone and I don't see so good anymore.
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--- TboneTarheel wrote:
Will someone please translate this ignorant northerner's attempt at a sentence? Actually I know what he is saying ...but d@mn...
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
Will someone please explain to this ignorant Southerner what the CIC ,the ACC or grants. Have to do with what sports conference u r Inc
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--- 1998Heel wrote:
It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 8:01 AM
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Late on this Flyingfish, but you are wrong about this as far as I am concerned. I would be excited about a trip to The Grove, Between the Hedges, The Swamp, UT, Lexington, Charlottesville and God Forbid even Columbia, as well as Tiger Stadium and 'Bama sometimes. I have little interest in trips to Happy Valley or even to the Big House, much less East Lansing, Minnesota, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Wisconsin, Purdue, Champagne, Northwestern, or Iowa. That leaves OSU and Nebraska (which we would likely play every 3/4 years). My interest in having those teams come in is commiserate with my desire to travel to their place. Any questions?
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--- FlyingFish13 wrote:
No one is excited to play Indiana just like no one gets excited to play Vandy, Kentucky, Mississippi or Mississippi state. Would people really be amped to see the train wreck show that is Arkansas, Tennessee, Missouri or Auburn in the SEC. There are about 3 teams in the SEC east you'd be excited for the same as the B1G east. I bet if you played Michigan, OSU or Penn State your stadium would be sold out.
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
It was sent from my phone and I don't see so good anymore.
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--- TboneTarheel wrote:
Will someone please translate this ignorant northerner's attempt at a sentence? Actually I know what he is saying ...but d@mn...
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
Will someone please explain to this ignorant Southerner what the CIC ,the ACC or grants. Have to do with what sports conference u r Inc
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--- 1998Heel wrote:
It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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I'm a B1G hater but admittedly, a trip to Madison, Wisconsin would be nice. I hear it's gorgeous in the fall.
Don't get me wrong, the SEC is the preferable option but Lincoln, Columbus, Happy Valley, Madison, and Ann Arbor offer up some pretty nice gameday experiences.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 8:19 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Great post. Big Ten is definitely a better academic and research fit for UNC and UVA, and I am sure the Big Ten would love adding them to the fold. Leaving the ACC, its history and traditional rivalries would be difficult and sad. It would represent the ultimate hypocrisy that is NCAA football and basketball today--its a multibillion dollar business grafted onto academia. I care nothing about the cultural differences, however, and I suspect the "football crowd" is not representative of the general population at UNC in that sense. It is a more conservative, tradition-bound subsection of the University. But it likes to win, and winning in the Big Ten will be easier in football than winning in the SEC. It would adjust in time. If we switch, I would prefer the Big Ten.
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
Will someone please explain to this ignorant Southerner what the CIC ,the ACC or grants. Have to do with what sports conference u r Inc
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--- 1998Heel wrote:
It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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I'll help.
All Big Ten schools are a part of the AAU and CIC. Nebraska is our black sheep in that sense because they just recently lost their AAU designation.
In short, the AAU and the CIC revolve around academic standards for your university and big-time research. The Big Ten schools work together to secure research grants and share information.
Last year, the CIC received a 12.5 percent share in the $8 BILLION available in federal grants for university research. There are 13 schools in the Big Ten (in the CIC, we keep our old ties with the university of Chicago, an old big ten member, thus 13 schools).
Do the math. 12.5 percent times $8 billion. That's one billion dollars in research money awarded to CIC institutions.
If evenly split (which depends on who gets what grants approved), that is almost $77 million per year for school research, keeping your academics very, very happy. In fact, they will be ecstatic. Which might be why they would push for this change.
Combine that with Big Ten Network revenues that look to be over $40 million per year in the near future, both your athletic and academic department look to make a WINDFALL.
I understand the cultural issue I have been reading on here. But all parts of your university would make a MINT with this move, while showing they "care as much about academics as they do big time sports".
Hope that helps.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 8:51 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Ok to the Heels fans that talk about culture. What is it, deep fried food? the confederacy? What is this "southern" culture. Hell (we northerners believe in that too!) I cant get a mint julep in TN (I live in Memphis)people have never heard of it...seriously???????
I'm sure the academica part of the university sees itself closer to pick a B10 institution than say.....LSU or Auburn or UT, or South Carolina, ect ect.....The only universities in the SEC worth a crap are Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M
Last edited 11/26/2012 8:53 AM by buckeye4573
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Posted: 11/26/2012 8:57 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
There is no college bowl in the Big Ten or the SEC or the ACC. Academics and Atletics are not tied at the hip any more than Duke and UNC are tied at the hip. The SEC would be similar to being in the current ACC academically as far as folks from here are concerned, especially if UVa comes along. Take away Duke and BC (oh if only) and I would see no appreciable difference at all.
And oh by the way, why is it you never hear about all the folks from around here that migrate to the North and then try to make things up there more like they are here? You know like integrated, laid back, friendly, etc.???
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Ok to the Heels fans that talk about culture. What is it, deep fried food? the confederacy? What is this "southern" culture. Hell (we northerners believe in that too!) I cant get a mint julep in Tn, people have never heard of it...seriously???????
I'm sure the academica part of the university sees itself closer to pick a B10 institution than say.....LSU or Auburn or UT, or South Carolina, ect ect.....The only universities in the SEC worth a crap are Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M
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Posted: 11/26/2012 9:00 AM
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The more I am around Yankees, the more I wonder how we lost the war :)
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--- Carolina2009 wrote:
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.
- E.B. White
Edit: Count me among the Northerners who have graduated from UNC and hate hearing the Civil War-era rhetoric.
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BTW, I.B. White, too. Although I have often been invited to speak on Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s Birthday, and in a Black Church History class at dook div (a required course at dook) the professor informed me that I was black. In actuality I'm a German-Swiss-Scots/Irish-English American blue eyed Carolinian, and fiercely proud of it all. Deal with it. And I still use the y-word when necessary, sometimes preceded by the d-word.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 9:06 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
is someone on here touting this CIC organization again ?
the CIC is an organization that promotes certain (ie, a few) cooperative efforts between the Big 10 universities related to research and libraries and maybe a few other things ....
the CIC web site will tout umpty-ump billions of dollars of research at the Big 10 member universities .... and some people on here have mistakenly taken this to mean that the CIC organization itself plays a significant role in obtaining all this research funding .... and therefore membership in the Big 10 sports conference is constructively connected to the research aspect of Big 10 universities ....
that couldn't be further from the truth ......
the reality is that the CIC is a very tiny organization that plays a very, very limited role in the overall research funding for these universities .... in the grand scheme of things CIC is an inconsequential aspect of the research picture for these universities ....
I think it is pretty clear that virtually all of this is driven by TV $$$$$ ... the academics angle is simply p.r. pablum for the alumni (suckers?) out there who still want to pretend that big-time college sports are still about college .....
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Will someone please explain to this ignorant Southerner what the CIC ,the ACC or grants. Have to do with what sports conference u r Inc
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Posted: 11/26/2012 9:11 AM
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--- FlyingFish13 wrote:
Not trying to defend Draymond but this entire thread is about crapping on the B1G and you're upset with him because he defends his conference? Clearly he could have been more articulate and he shouldn't have brought in the part about demographics but you should look at some of the statements from your fellow Tarheels.If you go on any B1G board they speaking glowingly of UNC, even the people who believe that the B1G shouldn't add them. But maybe you have a point that it's a cultural difference and if most Heels fan are like some in this thread they wouldn't fit in the B1G.
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--- F00tbaII wrote:
You're doing a great job representing your conference. I'm sure your posts will have everyone hear begging to join your conference.
In all seriousness, do you honestly think talking down to people here is a good recruiting pitch for the Big 10? I wonder if this attitude could be a sort of superiority complex due to our 2 schools recent history between each other...
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--- DraymondGreen wrote:
Associating with a bunch of junior colleges is synergenic?
NC and Virginia are no longer deep south states after the massive influx of a college-educated workforce. NC has more in common with Pennsylvania and Ohio than the states bordering you to the south and west. I have a feeling demographics would agree with me.
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--- jsf5259 wrote:
Notre Dame is not a full member, thus the whole synergizing thing you refer to is not complete..I would say we have much more "synergy" with schools in the SEC now than we do with most of the ACC schools now whom were not charter members
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Did you feel the synergy with Notre Dame or was that just gas?
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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:
Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Draymond never just tried to "defend his conference." If he had started out with that tone he would have been received with respect. He came on here blasting us, the South, the ACC and the SEC. That perspective will never get far with Southerners or anybody else.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 9:13 AM
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--- GforHeels wrote:
There is no college bowl in the Big Ten or the SEC or the ACC. Academics and Atletics are not tied at the hip any more than Duke and UNC are tied at the hip. The SEC would be similar to being in the current ACC academically as far as folks from here are concerned, especially if UVa comes along. Take away Duke and BC (oh if only) and I would see no appreciable difference at all.
And oh by the way, why is it you never hear about all the folks from around here that migrate to the North and then try to make things up there more like they are here? You know like integrated, laid back, friendly, etc.???
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--- buckeye4573 wrote:
Ok to the Heels fans that talk about culture. What is it, deep fried food? the confederacy? What is this "southern" culture. Hell (we northerners believe in that too!) I cant get a mint julep in Tn, people have never heard of it...seriously???????
I'm sure the academica part of the university sees itself closer to pick a B10 institution than say.....LSU or Auburn or UT, or South Carolina, ect ect.....The only universities in the SEC worth a crap are Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M
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Because I've lived in Ohio and TN, and dont see a whole lot of difference. Now Rutgers with the JErsey area will be interesting, the Midwest is more like the south than the northeast. Western PA is very very different from eastern PA, but my point is I live in an SEC state and they dont even know what a Mint Julep is....I mean that's one of the biggest staples of traditional southern culture is it not? So remember you have to split yankeedom into the midwest and the northeast, there is a huge gap in culture there, but for the south, I've never really seen it much difference. The main difference is unions, that's one reason I love the south, cant stand unions.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 9:17 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Rumor has it that the Klingon Conf won't take us without dook.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 9:17 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
"left behind" as in no longer growing; not a place where the young and ambitious want to live or move to. Population growth is a far better indicator of that than a bunch of old folks hanging in there with decent incomes. And most of them want to retire and get ou
............................. 1960 Pop. 2003* Pop
Michigan......................8 million.....10 million
Ohio..........................10 ".........11 "
Iowa..........................3..............3
Illinois......................10.............13
Pa............................11.............12
Ttls: 45MM vs 54MM (+20%)
NC............................5 million.......8
Va............................4 "............7
Fl............................5 "............17
Ga............................4.."........... .9
SC............................2 "............4
Ttls: 20MM vs 45MM (+125%)
* 2012 stats would only make this more extreme. Figures rounded to nearest 1/2 million.
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--- TekJansensAlphaSquad7 wrote:
You all talk about "the Midwest" the same way many talk about "the South", as if it's a singular place. Just as Alabama and North Carolina are different in important ways, Iowa is quite different from Michigan, for instance.
And by what measure have these state's been "left behind"? Here are the per capita incomes of states in the SEC and Big 10 (national rank shown).
1. Maryland (Big 10)
3. New Jersey (Big 10)
11. Minneosta (Big 10)
18. Illinois (Big 10)
21. Wisconsin (Big 10)
22. Nebraska (Big 10)
23. Pennsylvania (Big 10)
24. Iowa (Big 10)
25. TEXAS (SEC)
31. Indiana (Big 10)
33. GEORGIA (SEC)
34. Michigan (Big 10)
35. Ohio (Big 10)
36. MISSOURI (SEC)
37. FLORIDA (SEC)
42. SOUTH CAROLINA (SEC)
44. LOUISIANA (SEC)
45. TENNESSEE (SEC)
46. ALABAMA (SEC)
47. KENTUCKY (SEC)
48. ARKANSAS (SEC)
50. MISSISSIPPI (SEC)
Look, I think that there are advantages and disadvantages of both conferences, but some of you are willing to say just about anything to justify why the SEC is the better choice.
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One of the problems is perception. The Midwest is the part of America that has been left behind...our losers.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:01 AM
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"left behind" as in no longer growing; not a place where the young and ambitious want to live or move to. Population growth is a far better indicator of that than a bunch of old folks hanging in there with decent incomes. And most of them want to retire and get ou
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Michigan......................8 million.....10 million
Ohio..........................10 ".........11 "
Iowa..........................3..............3
Illinois......................10.............13
Pa............................11.............12
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NC............................5 million.......8
Va............................4 "............7
Fl............................5 "............17
Ga............................4.."........... .9
SC............................2 "............4
Ttls: 20MM vs 45MM (+125%)
* 2012 stats would only make this more extreme. Figures rounded to nearest 1/2 million.
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Developing states tend to have faster growth rates than developed states. With fewer technological advances to complement labor, a larger workforce is needed.
*rimshot*
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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:12 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
UNC raked in a cool $545 MM in federal research grants for 2012 (71% of the total of $767MM which is actually DOWN from 2010 where we raked in over $800MM). research.unc.edu/about/facts-r...nding/index.htmWe obviously don't need to be in the CIC to raise funds as we are the #8-10 university in the country in terms of federal investment (somewhere in that range, thanks mostly to funding for UNC Hospitals). I doubt joining the Big Ten will make that number go up )a whole lot. I agree with jmarkad that this is more about athletics than the academics angle and touting the CIC as a valid reason or something to consider is disingenuous. I think UNC has more in common with ACC schools than any other, but has more in common with the schools in the SEC East (especially one with UVa) than the Big Ten. UNC UVa Vanderbilt Georgia Florida the other three That's a pretty decent academic conference, one that the UNC academics could rally behind.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:12 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
No Flying Fish, its because Draymon was being a *******.......if you'd bother to read his complete postings you would have seen that. I guess its just too easy to sign up for a screen name and not bother to read any posts before posting....If that exemplifies B1G academia, than of course thanks but no thanks.
Maybe your just Draymon with a different screen name
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--- FlyingFish13 wrote:
Not trying to defend Draymond but this entire thread is about crapping on the B1G and you're upset with him because he defends his conference? Clearly he could have been more articulate and he shouldn't have brought in the part about demographics but you should look at some of the statements from your fellow Tarheels.If you go on any B1G board they speaking glowingly of UNC, even the people who believe that the B1G shouldn't add them. But maybe you have a point that it's a cultural difference and if most Heels fan are like some in this thread they wouldn't fit in the B1G.
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--- F00tbaII wrote:
You're doing a great job representing your conference. I'm sure your posts will have everyone hear begging to join your conference.
In all seriousness, do you honestly think talking down to people here is a good recruiting pitch for the Big 10? I wonder if this attitude could be a sort of superiority complex due to our 2 schools recent history between each other...
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--- DraymondGreen wrote:
Associating with a bunch of junior colleges is synergenic?
NC and Virginia are no longer deep south states after the massive influx of a college-educated workforce. NC has more in common with Pennsylvania and Ohio than the states bordering you to the south and west. I have a feeling demographics would agree with me.
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--- jsf5259 wrote:
Notre Dame is not a full member, thus the whole synergizing thing you refer to is not complete..I would say we have much more "synergy" with schools in the SEC now than we do with most of the ACC schools now whom were not charter members
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Did you feel the synergy with Notre Dame or was that just gas?
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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:
Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:14 AM
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No Flying Fish, its because Draymon was being a *******.......if you'd bother to read his complete postings you would have seen that. I guess its just too easy to sign up for a screen name and not bother to read any posts before posting....If that exemplifies B1G academia, than of course thanks but no thanks.
Maybe your just Draymon with a different screen name
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--- FlyingFish13 wrote:
Not trying to defend Draymond but this entire thread is about crapping on the B1G and you're upset with him because he defends his conference? Clearly he could have been more articulate and he shouldn't have brought in the part about demographics but you should look at some of the statements from your fellow Tarheels.If you go on any B1G board they speaking glowingly of UNC, even the people who believe that the B1G shouldn't add them. But maybe you have a point that it's a cultural difference and if most Heels fan are like some in this thread they wouldn't fit in the B1G.
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--- F00tbaII wrote:
You're doing a great job representing your conference. I'm sure your posts will have everyone hear begging to join your conference.
In all seriousness, do you honestly think talking down to people here is a good recruiting pitch for the Big 10? I wonder if this attitude could be a sort of superiority complex due to our 2 schools recent history between each other...
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--- DraymondGreen wrote:
Associating with a bunch of junior colleges is synergenic?
NC and Virginia are no longer deep south states after the massive influx of a college-educated workforce. NC has more in common with Pennsylvania and Ohio than the states bordering you to the south and west. I have a feeling demographics would agree with me.
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--- jsf5259 wrote:
Notre Dame is not a full member, thus the whole synergizing thing you refer to is not complete..I would say we have much more "synergy" with schools in the SEC now than we do with most of the ACC schools now whom were not charter members
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Did you feel the synergy with Notre Dame or was that just gas?
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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:
Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Exactly, kirk. We have no problem with reasonable discourse, it's jerks we can't stand.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:16 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
I'm at the point where as long as we move with UVA, I'll be happy. Both the BigTen and the SEC are stronger athletics conferences, and having UVA would ensure we have at least one peer/rival.
(This assumes that the ACC cannot sustain itself and that no other conference would take Duke football).
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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:31 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
I'm not at that point at all..and frankly do not trust UVA.
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I'm at the point where as long as we move with UVA, I'll be happy. Both the BigTen and the SEC are stronger athletics conferences, and having UVA would ensure we have at least one peer/rival.
(This assumes that the ACC cannot sustain itself and that no other conference would take Duke football).
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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:46 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
From the (WVU) Eers Authority:
The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV
The ACC is aware that UVA and GT have submitted applications to the Big 10.
Also, not sure what to make of this tweet from a USBWA member:
Greg Swaim Show @GSwaim
Calls, e-mails out to contacts...just waiting on responses from #UVA, #GT, #VT, #UNC, #B1G, #SEC, #BIG12. We know what #ACC's saying ;)
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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:06 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
why are we so buddy-buddy with UVA?
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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:29 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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why are we so buddy-buddy with UVA?
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"The South's Oldest Rivalry"
Both are top five public institutions, have long Southern traditions, have similar educational missions.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:33 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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--- Carolina2009 wrote:
From the (WVU) Eers Authority:
The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV
The ACC is aware that UVA and GT have submitted applications to the Big 10.
Also, not sure what to make of this tweet from a USBWA member:
Greg Swaim Show @GSwaim
Calls, e-mails out to contacts...just waiting on responses from #UVA, #GT, #VT, #UNC, #B1G, #SEC, #BIG12. We know what #ACC's saying ;)
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Quotes from two of the most unreliable sources out there.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:45 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Net those incomes against state and local taxes and see what comes out.
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--- TekJansensAlphaSquad7 wrote:
And by what measure have these state's been "left behind"? Here are the per capita incomes of states in the SEC and Big 10 (national rank shown).
1. Maryland (Big 10)
3. New Jersey (Big 10)
11. Minneosta (Big 10)
18. Illinois (Big 10)
21. Wisconsin (Big 10)
22. Nebraska (Big 10)
23. Pennsylvania (Big 10)
24. Iowa (Big 10)
25. TEXAS (SEC)
31. Indiana (Big 10)
33. GEORGIA (SEC)
34. Michigan (Big 10)
35. Ohio (Big 10)
36. MISSOURI (SEC)
37. FLORIDA (SEC)
42. SOUTH CAROLINA (SEC)
44. LOUISIANA (SEC)
45. TENNESSEE (SEC)
46. ALABAMA (SEC)
47. KENTUCKY (SEC)
48. ARKANSAS (SEC)
50. MISSISSIPPI (SEC)
Look, I think that there are advantages and disadvantages of both conferences, but some of you are willing to say just about anything to justify why the SEC is the better choice.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:14 PM
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I'll help.
All Big Ten schools are a part of the AAU and CIC. Nebraska is our black sheep in that sense because they just recently lost their AAU designation.
In short, the AAU and the CIC revolve around academic standards for your university and big-time research. The Big Ten schools work together to secure research grants and share information.
Last year, the CIC received a 12.5 percent share in the $8 BILLION available in federal grants for university research. There are 13 schools in the Big Ten (in the CIC, we keep our old ties with the university of Chicago, an old big ten member, thus 13 schools).
Do the math. 12.5 percent times $8 billion. That's one billion dollars in research money awarded to CIC institutions.
If evenly split (which depends on who gets what grants approved), that is almost $77 million per year for school research, keeping your academics very, very happy. In fact, they will be ecstatic. Which might be why they would push for this change.
Combine that with Big Ten Network revenues that look to be over $40 million per year in the near future, both your athletic and academic department look to make a WINDFALL.
I understand the cultural issue I have been reading on here. But all parts of your university would make a MINT with this move, while showing they "care as much about academics as they do big time sports".
Hope that helps.
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Is that 12.5% awarded directly to the CIC or is it just the sum of the grants awarded to the individual universities?
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The CIC is better understood as a pooling of efforts to obtain more research dollars. The schools in the CIC can bid on separate components of a project, but submit only one bid. This is seen as advantageous because one school may have the top program (or best for a particular type of research) and another school in the cic may have the best for another area required for a particular project.
UNC has still brought in more money than all but a couple Big 10 schools (and those schools are much bigger) over the last couple years. Additionally, there is no reason UNC can't do the same thing with dook, UVa or Georgia or Vandy. It is probably a good thing, but its value is overstated IMO.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:21 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Don't forget to add that money obviously can't buy happiness.
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Net those incomes against state and local taxes and see what comes out.
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--- TekJansensAlphaSquad7 wrote:
And by what measure have these state's been "left behind"? Here are the per capita incomes of states in the SEC and Big 10 (national rank shown).
1. Maryland (Big 10)
3. New Jersey (Big 10)
11. Minneosta (Big 10)
18. Illinois (Big 10)
21. Wisconsin (Big 10)
22. Nebraska (Big 10)
23. Pennsylvania (Big 10)
24. Iowa (Big 10)
25. TEXAS (SEC)
31. Indiana (Big 10)
33. GEORGIA (SEC)
34. Michigan (Big 10)
35. Ohio (Big 10)
36. MISSOURI (SEC)
37. FLORIDA (SEC)
42. SOUTH CAROLINA (SEC)
44. LOUISIANA (SEC)
45. TENNESSEE (SEC)
46. ALABAMA (SEC)
47. KENTUCKY (SEC)
48. ARKANSAS (SEC)
50. MISSISSIPPI (SEC)
Look, I think that there are advantages and disadvantages of both conferences, but some of you are willing to say just about anything to justify why the SEC is the better choice.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:21 PM
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--- GforHeels wrote:
Late on this Flyingfish, but you are wrong about this as far as I am concerned. I would be excited about a trip to The Grove, Between the Hedges, The Swamp, UT, Lexington, Charlottesville and God Forbid even Columbia, as well as Tiger Stadium and 'Bama sometimes. I have little interest in trips to Happy Valley or even to the Big House, much less East Lansing, Minnesota, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Wisconsin, Purdue, Champagne, Northwestern, or Iowa. That leaves OSU and Nebraska (which we would likely play every 3/4 years). My interest in having those teams come in is commiserate with my desire to travel to their place. Any questions?
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--- FlyingFish13 wrote:
No one is excited to play Indiana just like no one gets excited to play Vandy, Kentucky, Mississippi or Mississippi state. Would people really be amped to see the train wreck show that is Arkansas, Tennessee, Missouri or Auburn in the SEC. There are about 3 teams in the SEC east you'd be excited for the same as the B1G east. I bet if you played Michigan, OSU or Penn State your stadium would be sold out.
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
It was sent from my phone and I don't see so good anymore.
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--- TboneTarheel wrote:
Will someone please translate this ignorant northerner's attempt at a sentence? Actually I know what he is saying ...but d@mn...
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--- GunslingerHeel wrote:
Will someone please explain to this ignorant Southerner what the CIC ,the ACC or grants. Have to do with what sports conference u r Inc
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--- 1998Heel wrote:
It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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I'm a B1G hater but admittedly, a trip to Madison, Wisconsin would be nice. I hear it's gorgeous in the fall.
Don't get me wrong, the SEC is the preferable option but Lincoln, Columbus, Happy Valley, Madison, and Ann Arbor offer up some pretty nice gameday experiences.
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I love Lincoln and Columbus - counties in NC. And Madison, the town is OK, they make legal moonshine up there, so that can't be bad.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 3:09 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
this is just complete bull^&%$ .....
no way the CIC swept 12.5% of all the research $$$$ going into these universities ..... a billion $$$$ ? .... to what end ? ..... what did they do with the money ? ...... all these research projects have budgets - what is the justification for a 1/8th slice going to this outfit ?
the CIC budget / revenue = $1 billion ??? .... the budget for the entire UNC - CH ... lock, stock and barrel is something like $2.5 billion ..... and this outfit with about 10 employees has a $1 billion budget ??? ..... come on .....
look the CIC web site ... there are only like 10 people who work there .... their whole budget and staff would be a rounding error of a rounding error at Univ. of Michigan ....
the CIC plays some role in a very, very tiny slice of the research projects that go through these universities .... and they do a few other joint technology and library type things .....
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I'll help.
All Big Ten schools are a part of the AAU and CIC. Nebraska is our black sheep in that sense because they just recently lost their AAU designation.
In short, the AAU and the CIC revolve around academic standards for your university and big-time research. The Big Ten schools work together to secure research grants and share information.
Last year, the CIC received a 12.5 percent share in the $8 BILLION available in federal grants for university research. There are 13 schools in the Big Ten (in the CIC, we keep our old ties with the university of Chicago, an old big ten member, thus 13 schools).
Do the math. 12.5 percent times $8 billion. That's one billion dollars in research money awarded to CIC institutions.
If evenly split (which depends on who gets what grants approved), that is almost $77 million per year for school research, keeping your academics very, very happy. In fact, they will be ecstatic. Which might be why they would push for this change.
Combine that with Big Ten Network revenues that look to be over $40 million per year in the near future, both your athletic and academic department look to make a WINDFALL.
I understand the cultural issue I have been reading on here. But all parts of your university would make a MINT with this move, while showing they "care as much about academics as they do big time sports".
Hope that helps.
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Is that 12.5% awarded directly to the CIC or is it just the sum of the grants awarded to the individual universities?
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The CIC is better understood as a pooling of efforts to obtain more research dollars. The schools in the CIC can bid on separate components of a project, but submit only one bid. This is seen as advantageous because one school may have the top program (or best for a particular type of research) and another school in the cic may have the best for another area required for a particular project.
UNC has still brought in more money than all but a couple Big 10 schools (and those schools are much bigger) over the last couple years. Additionally, there is no reason UNC can't do the same thing with dook, UVa or Georgia or Vandy. It is probably a good thing, but its value is overstated IMO.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 3:34 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Let's just say there are a lot of angles to this whole thing and I sure hope someone with some sense is doing an incredible job of sorting it all out prior to any moves.
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