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Posted: 11/23/2012 6:18 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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--- Carolina2009 wrote:
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.
- E.B. White
Edit: Count me among the Northerners who have graduated from UNC and hate hearing the Civil War-era rhetoric.
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Yep, the Civil War is over no need to bring it up. Doesn't change the simple fact that we here generally feel we have a different culture, and do not feel we have much in common with our Midwest brethren.
I believe the consensus here in North Carolina, is that if forced to go to a conference, we'd rather go the number one athletic conference, the SEC, not the second or third place conference, the B1G. Pretty sure Oregon or Stanford would stomp the best team B1G team right now.
Financially, absolutely none of you have made the case that B1g would be better for UNC tha the SEC.
Last edited 11/23/2012 7:15 PM by kirksdad66
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Posted: 11/23/2012 6:49 PM
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I went to high school outside of Boston. I had friends who went to school in Chicago. As much as we might joke about the Civil War I will say there are still real cultural differences across the country. There is such a think as a Yankee, and there is such a thing as a southerner. No matter how much has changed in Virginia and North Carolina over the past twenty years they remain part of the south. I'm proud of that culture, I'm proud of being a southerner, and I have little interest in being shackled to a Mid-western conference which doesn't understand us.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 6:57 PM
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Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 7:59 PM
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Did you feel the synergy with Notre Dame or was that just gas?
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Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:06 PM
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Notre Dame is not a full member, thus the whole synergizing thing you refer to is not complete..I would say we have much more "synergy" with schools in the SEC now than we do with most of the ACC schools now whom were not charter members
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Did you feel the synergy with Notre Dame or was that just gas?
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Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:14 PM
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It's a shame that you even have to consider joining another conference, all because of a partial member that has no synergy with you ACC folks.
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Notre Dame is not a full member, thus the whole synergizing thing you refer to is not complete..I would say we have much more "synergy" with schools in the SEC now than we do with most of the ACC schools now whom were not charter members
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Did you feel the synergy with Notre Dame or was that just gas?
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Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:16 PM
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Associating with a bunch of junior colleges is synergenic?
NC and Virginia are no longer deep south states after the massive influx of a college-educated workforce. NC has more in common with Pennsylvania and Ohio than the states bordering you to the south and west. I have a feeling demographics would agree with me.
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Notre Dame is not a full member, thus the whole synergizing thing you refer to is not complete..I would say we have much more "synergy" with schools in the SEC now than we do with most of the ACC schools now whom were not charter members
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Did you feel the synergy with Notre Dame or was that just gas?
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Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:26 PM
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Go back to your own boards, your elitist attitudes and comments aren't welcome here..so because there is a college-educated workforce here, north carolina can not be part of the south any longer? if you read your statement it basically makes it sound like the rest of the south is full of uneducated people..we have nothing in common with ohio or pennsylvania when it refers to per capita income or workforce..both those states are union/industrial states..also, this "influx" you refer to makes it sound like those college-educated people came here from somewherelse..i would argue that a good deal of our workforce in this state has come from in-house as well..in case you people haven't noticed up there, The University of North Carolina is the oldest public university in the country! Therefore, education is nothing new to this state....
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Associating with a bunch of junior colleges is synergenic?
NC and Virginia are no longer deep south states after the massive influx of a college-educated workforce. NC has more in common with Pennsylvania and Ohio than the states bordering you to the south and west. I have a feeling demographics would agree with me.
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Notre Dame is not a full member, thus the whole synergizing thing you refer to is not complete..I would say we have much more "synergy" with schools in the SEC now than we do with most of the ACC schools now whom were not charter members
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Did you feel the synergy with Notre Dame or was that just gas?
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Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:32 PM
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The more that is posted here the more convinced I am that we need the ACC to remain viable.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 9:04 PM
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If we're to aspire to have "more in common with Pennsylvania" in order to be more supposedly cultured, I clearly missed the cultural merits of covering up serial molestation.
I'm perfectly fine staying Southern, and for the Northern contingent feel superior...as long as they stay as far North as possible.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 9:13 PM
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The more that is posted here the more convinced I am that we need the ACC to remain viable.
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The ACC is not going anywhere and neither is UNC so you can rest easy.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 9:29 PM
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The more that is posted here the more convinced I am that we need the ACC to remain viable.
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The ACC is not going anywhere and neither is UNC so you can rest easy.
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That convinces me, more than anything, that the ACC is dead.
Disclaimer, soulbrother only gives a damn about bb. So everything is filtered through that lens for him.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 9:30 PM
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You're doing a great job representing your conference. I'm sure your posts will have everyone hear begging to join your conference.
In all seriousness, do you honestly think talking down to people here is a good recruiting pitch for the Big 10? I wonder if this attitude could be a sort of superiority complex due to our 2 schools recent history between each other...
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Associating with a bunch of junior colleges is synergenic?
NC and Virginia are no longer deep south states after the massive influx of a college-educated workforce. NC has more in common with Pennsylvania and Ohio than the states bordering you to the south and west. I have a feeling demographics would agree with me.
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Notre Dame is not a full member, thus the whole synergizing thing you refer to is not complete..I would say we have much more "synergy" with schools in the SEC now than we do with most of the ACC schools now whom were not charter members
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Did you feel the synergy with Notre Dame or was that just gas?
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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:
Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 10:02 PM
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It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 10:10 PM
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+100, while I will not speak for all, I would say what you have stated is the consensus among many of us native north carolinian tar heel fans
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It's been stated UNC would fit better in the Big10 for academics. I don't really agree. It's been written the CIC brings in big research money... UNC seems to be doing ok with that right now.
I grew up in North Carolina, and have lived here since birth. I dreamed of going to UNC and playing basketball, but I wasn't very good. I then settled for graduating from UNC. Lucky for me, it happened. Since then I've supported UNC athletics and academics. I've given money and gone to plenty of games. I love football. I want UNC to be good in football.
If UNC is forced to swith conferences, and joins the Big10... I'd have to consider kind of giving up. I'd reconsider my academic donations because I don't think the reasons they'd give for Big10 membership really benefit the people of North Carolina. As for athletics... I just wouldn't be excited to go see Indiana football, etc.. It would just be a tough choice.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 10:12 PM
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The more that is posted here the more convinced I am that we need the ACC to remain viable.
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The ACC is not going anywhere and neither is UNC so you can rest easy.
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The ACC may not be going anywhere but I don't want to be a part of it if it becomes a mid major that is repeatedly poached by the power conferences.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 10:15 PM
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EVERYONE, REMAIN CALM! ALL IS WELL!
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:15 PM
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the ACC loses one of its weakest members (although their problems are self inflicted, thus theoretically correctable), and now the sky is falling?
I can only hope UNC says no to any and all suitors...
it's as simple as improving the product on the field...
and there are some who are clearly nervous that the conference will do just that, so they hope to strike now...
we are going to have to be patient for this to end the way we want...
that, and maybe we might want to stop the bickering within the ACC family...
Walt Kelly's Pogo had it right...
"We have met the enemy and it is us."
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:18 PM
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The more I am around Yankees, the more I wonder how we lost the war :)
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--- Carolina2009 wrote:
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.
- E.B. White
Edit: Count me among the Northerners who have graduated from UNC and hate hearing the Civil War-era rhetoric.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:32 PM
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The best thing going for the ACC to remain viable is the fundamental tension between two propositions:
(1) For 4 super conferences to exist the PAC 12 has to get to 16 members.
(2) The PAC 12 cannot credibly get to 16 members as long as the Big 12 remains viable.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:46 PM
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BYU, Nevada, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Colorado State, Boise State, and Hawaii are all viable western options.
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The best thing going for the ACC to remain viable is the fundamental tension between two propositions:
(1) For 4 super conferences to exist the PAC 12 has to get to 16 members.
(2) The PAC 12 cannot credibly get to 16 members as long as the Big 12 remains viable.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:04 AM
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After watching that Nebraska/Iowa game today I now yearn for the SEC even more.
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NCeSt fans urine for the SEC, or the CUSA, or the Big 12, or...
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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:20 AM
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Associating with a bunch of junior colleges is synergenic?
NC and Virginia are no longer deep south states after the massive influx of a college-educated workforce. NC has more in common with Pennsylvania and Ohio than the states bordering you to the south and west. I have a feeling demographics would agree with me.
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--- jsf5259 wrote:
Notre Dame is not a full member, thus the whole synergizing thing you refer to is not complete..I would say we have much more "synergy" with schools in the SEC now than we do with most of the ACC schools now whom were not charter members
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Did you feel the synergy with Notre Dame or was that just gas?
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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:
Good Lord, is this thread actually going there. Plain and simple, UNC to SEC would be about one thing: SYNERGY. I see little synergy with schools from the midwest.
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Draymond, the old stereotypes just won't fly. Before the Civil War, in 1860, the 7 cotton states of the Deep South (we're not one of them) had a higher percentage of college educated residents than Massachusetts at the time, for example. People outside the South have always wrongly assumed we were ignorant. One of my best friends in high school in the mid 70's moved down from Michigan, Brother Rice High School to be exact. Great guy, we're still friends, in spite of the fact that he went to NC State. When he first came down he wondered if we'd ever even heard of Elton John down here. BTW, he wouldn't go back to the Detroit area for any amount of money.
To be fair, most B1G schools are huge with huge stadiums. They're mostly decent academically, though MSU is nothing special at all. BTW, I have taught alongside several female profs from those schools, who are not only competent but surprisingly attractive. ;-)
We're accustomed to being belittled by the national media, it is our lot in life, so please continue. But don't expect us to appreciate it.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:29 AM
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My choice,by far would be the SEC for so many reasons,not least of which is geography, but I wonder, and you guys know more than I do about this, and that is, Can we as a university, recruit with the other teams in the SEC were we to move in that direction, with the new admissions requirements for athletes, which I think is a recruiting block, for football especially.Am I going to get slammed for asking this?Any comments?
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:35 AM
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The best thing going for the ACC to remain viable is the fundamental tension between two propositions:
(1) For 4 super conferences to exist the PAC 12 has to get to 16 members.
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BYU, maybe. But, the Pac-12, especially Cal and Stanford, were very much against adding Baylor when they were mentioned as being among the teams to be added from the Big 12.
The rest are not viable options at all. The Pac-12 already control the media markets in those states, anyway.
Their only play to get to 16 to poach from the Big 12. No other move helps them at all, IMHO.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:40 AM
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Northerners that come to visit are called yankees. Northerners that come to visit and decide to stay are called damn yankees.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:41 AM
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No, they are not. They add nothing whatsoever to the Pac-12 media package (with the POSSIBLE exception of BYU because their fans are spread throughout the west) and none except BYU have any academic credibility.
The Pac-12 will stay at 12 unless the Big XII dissolves and that is not going to happen for at least 13 years since they have a grant of rights.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:55 AM
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No, they are not. They add nothing whatsoever to the Pac-12 media package (with the POSSIBLE exception of BYU because their fans are spread throughout the west) and none except BYU have any academic credibility.
The Pac-12 will stay at 12 unless the Big XII dissolves and that is not going to happen for at least 13 years since they have a grant of rights.
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JMHO, but, I bet there is an 'out' clause in that Big 12 GOR. Texas will certainly not leave themselves without any options if a better situation arose (aka move to the Pac-12). Or, if ESPN pulls the plug on the LHN.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 12:07 PM
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I contacted Jennifer Anniston for a date. No word yet.
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I sent a tweet out to Kate Upton. Still waiting to hear back.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 3:28 PM
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No, they are not. They add nothing whatsoever to the Pac-12 media package (with the POSSIBLE exception of BYU because their fans are spread throughout the west) and none except BYU have any academic credibility.
The Pac-12 will stay at 12 unless the Big XII dissolves and that is not going to happen for at least 13 years since they have a grant of rights.
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JMHO, but, I bet there is an 'out' clause in that Big 12 GOR. Texas will certainly not leave themselves without any options if a better situation arose (aka move to the Pac-12). Or, if ESPN pulls the plug on the LHN.
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Based on their conference, BYU as a partner for Utah, with a look at AFA as a potential partner for CO, with UNLV and New Mexico/Boise as potentially 15/16.
That is assuming the PAC cannot lure UT/OU.
I tend to agree that the GOR is probably not as air tight as people would like to believe. I also agree that the PAC will quickly realize, if they haven't already, that they are likely to be left behind if they don't make a big play for Texas/etc.
The B12 schools know this. They also know that the gameplan for the ACC is to survive long enough for Texas to get antsy and leave.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 5:00 PM
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I live in Cincinnati and grew up here. On recent trips to Alabama and Memphis, I found that I was not considered a Yankee, even though Southerners apparently don't consider the state to my south (Kentucky) to be southern.
No, I wasn't northern nor southern. Not one of them, but ok enough they supposed.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 6:31 PM
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Kate Upton is a *ichigan fan. Maybe she'd get back to you if you guys would join the Big 10.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 6:39 PM
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Meh, We have Brooklyn Decker......we don't have to call anybody....
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Kate Upton is a *ichigan fan. Maybe she'd get back to you if you guys would join the Big 10.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 6:41 PM
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www.zaaap.net/wp-content/uploa...2_ZaaaPblog.gif--------------------------------------------- --- lightblueblood wrote: Northerners that come to visit are called yankees. Northerners that come to visit and decide to stay are called damn yankees. ---------------------------------------------
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Posted: 11/25/2012 6:47 PM
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Truthfully we already compete with SEC teams for players in the state of NC as it is. Playing an SEC schedule(while it would undoubtedly be more difficult that an ACC schedule) would actually help us in recruiting. Star players want to be on TV playing on the biggest stage every week. The SEC provides that better than anyone (even you B1G). UNC almost recruits itself anyways. Being able to sell top notch recruits on the ability to play in the top conference in football would only serve to help in recruiting. Add to that the extra revenue from TV contracts and selling out home games with FL, GA, Tenn, SC, Ala, AU, etc. you will have extra money to continue upgrading facilities. Kids want to see the school is committed to the program and committed to them. Facilities make that statement loud and clear. So, ya SEC all day baybay!
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My choice,by far would be the SEC for so many reasons,not least of which is geography, but I wonder, and you guys know more than I do about this, and that is, Can we as a university, recruit with the other teams in the SEC were we to move in that direction, with the new admissions requirements for athletes, which I think is a recruiting block, for football especially.Am I going to get slammed for asking this?Any comments?
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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:03 PM
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Meh, We have Brooklyn Decker......we don't have to call anybody....
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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:47 PM
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Football fans know BBQ is something you eat, not something you do.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:31 PM
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SO if 3-5 schools leave, will each have to pay the 50mil exit fee or will that be tossed out?
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:35 PM
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true word
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:36 PM
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I contacted Jennifer Anniston for a date. No word yet.
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I sent a tweet out to Kate Upton. Still waiting to hear back.
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Kate Upton is a *ichigan fan. Maybe she'd get back to you if you guys would join the Big 10.
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Meh, We have Brooklyn Decker......we don't have to call anybody....
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nuf sed!!!
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