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Posted: 11/23/2012 10:45 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
I agree, which is why I said good, not great article. Despite that faux paus, the writer makes several good points about what dirves expansion. --------------------------------------------- --- NCtaxguy wrote: Somebody tell the article writer, Mike Slive and ESPN that we ARE NOT tied to Dook, please! Quick! Now! Over and over again! If Dook is the stumbling block that keeps us from going to the SEC I will literally puke. Go to hell Dook!!!!!! --------------------------------------------- --- Heel1963 wrote: Good article on the topic. outkickthecoverage.com/the-sec...-16-members.php--------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 11/23/2012 10:46 AM
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I vote no for any scenario where State goes to the SEC. A big N-O!
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"No" preceded by a reference to eternal torment.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 10:49 AM
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And should not matter to the decision makes either. No one rates the academic credibility of an institution based on the conference they are a member of. Has being in the SEC hurt Vandy; for that matter, has being in he ACC helped moou? The connection between conference affiliation and academics is nonexistent. Decision makes need to understand that or stop being decision makers
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--- MinkHeel wrote:
Just to clarify one of my earlier points, when I mentioned academic culture, I meant that it is what matters to the decisionmakers -- the chancellors, presidents, etc. -- who are academics. Academic culture/prestige is obviously not particularly important to most fans.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 10:57 AM
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You should read up on the CIC, it matters quite a bit. CIC--------------------------------------------- --- Heel1963 wrote: And should not matter to the decision makes either. No one rates the academic credibility of an institution based on the conference they are a member of. Has being in the SEC hurt Vandy; for that matter, has being in he ACC helped moou? The connection between conference affiliation and academics is nonexistent. Decision makes need to understand that or stop being decision makers --------------------------------------------- --- MinkHeel wrote: Just to clarify one of my earlier points, when I mentioned academic culture, I meant that it is what matters to the decisionmakers -- the chancellors, presidents, etc. -- who are academics. Academic culture/prestige is obviously not particularly important to most fans. --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:06 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- ohsyou wrote: You should read up on the CIC, it matters quite a bit. CIC--------------------------------------------- --- Heel1963 wrote: And should not matter to the decision makes either. No one rates the academic credibility of an institution based on the conference they are a member of. Has being in the SEC hurt Vandy; for that matter, has being in he ACC helped moou? The connection between conference affiliation and academics is nonexistent. Decision makes need to understand that or stop being decision makers --------------------------------------------- --- MinkHeel wrote: Just to clarify one of my earlier points, when I mentioned academic culture, I meant that it is what matters to the decisionmakers -- the chancellors, presidents, etc. -- who are academics. Academic culture/prestige is obviously not particularly important to most fans. --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- And that may steer the bus, for some people. Or not. Yes, the CIC is a huge deal in terms of research dollars, I understand that. Does it guarantee that Carolina, Michigan's equal and superior to any other school in the B1G, would instantly rake in multi-millions of dollars more than we currently do? I'm not so sure. |
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:15 AM
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...UVA and UNC hesitant to hook up with them.
"This one won't respond to penicillin" said an anonymous doctor at the CDC.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:26 AM
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I do not see where CIC actually provides more research money. There are enhanced opportunities for cooperation but that is different than increased funding.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:30 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
yankees,yankees,yankees. I want not part of your big10
Go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:40 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
+1
I really hate when our fans start pulling this BS. It makes our fanbase look ignorant and xenophobic.
And, ahem, there are quite a few "Yankee" Tar Heel fans that post on IC. So be careful when you're trying to offend the "outsiders" that you don't offend your own, too.
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Jesus Christ, it has nothing to do with people being "yankees."
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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:
I know it has been eye opening how pathetically arrogant you piece of **** yankees are.
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--- DraymondGreen wrote:
Lol @ suggesting the Big Ten isn't the premier conference in every aspect. While the speculation is fun, you "fans" really have no idea what's going on, do you?
There are only two possible outcomes here: nc either stays in their current mid-major conference or they join the Big Ten. There is not a third possible outcome. Sorry if that diappoints some of you "fans."
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--- kirksdad66 wrote:
Most UNC fans do not want anything to do with the B1G. Painfully slow basketball, and football teams that would be ripe for a PAC12 / SEC slaughter.
We have more in common with Georgia than we do Minnesota. I would rather kiss a moving belt sander than sit and watch us Minnesota or Michigan State every year.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:50 AM
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Weather is still SUBSTANTIALLY worse than the southeastern part of the country to say the least. The people are different, the culture is different and the fans would have to travel further for games. The SEC east(which is where we almost certainly end up) would be made up of up schools like UNC, UVA, FL, GA, and Vandy. All strong Academic institutions, not to mention the we would have great turnouts at home games to any of the SEC schools. Adding the NC/VA markets to the SEC footprint has also been predicted to push SEC money well above what the B1G is projecting once the SEC network gets off the ground in 2014. I say thanks but no thanks to the B1G and the rustbelt.
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I don't like the weather related argument. September through November is pretty decent weather throughout the country. The weather channel's history of November in Ann Arbor is 48 high, 33 low. In fact, I think a case can be made that those 12 noon games at Kenan early on in September are the worst football climate.
I don't want to go anywhere but ACC country but still would prefer Ann Arbor to Starkville for a football game atmosphere.
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Last edited 11/23/2012 11:51 AM by Tarheel77nGa
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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:22 PM
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Really, so the Ivy League carries no weight? It's famous for it's athletics? (and yeah it was started as an athletic conference)
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--- Heel1963 wrote:
And should not matter to the decision makes either. No one rates the academic credibility of an institution based on the conference they are a member of. Has being in the SEC hurt Vandy; for that matter, has being in he ACC helped moou? The connection between conference affiliation and academics is nonexistent. Decision makes need to understand that or stop being decision makers
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--- MinkHeel wrote:
Just to clarify one of my earlier points, when I mentioned academic culture, I meant that it is what matters to the decisionmakers -- the chancellors, presidents, etc. -- who are academics. Academic culture/prestige is obviously not particularly important to most fans.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:29 PM
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Last I checked, Notre Dame is in the midwest and the ACC was just fine socializing with those Yankees. I think you need to start understanding that regional conferences are becoming a thing of the past, the Big Ten (and even the ACC with ND) is branching out. You should change with the times of be left behind.
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--- 10heels10 wrote:
yankees,yankees,yankees. I want not part of your big10
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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:32 PM
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My post was in response to the "No one rates the academic credibility of an institution based on the conference they are a member of." comment. As far as $$ is concerned, that's where the BTN comes in to play.
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I do not see where CIC actually provides more research money. There are enhanced opportunities for cooperation but that is different than increased funding.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:34 PM
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Just so you understand, a lot of the "yankee" backlash is coming because many of your fellow fans have came to this, and other UNC sites, site and talked down to UNC fans. They have told us we have no choice, that Delany and the Big-10 will tell us what to do and we will like it. They have generally displayed overweening arrogance and disdain for us.
The "northerners" that have not acted in such a manner, haven't met with that selfsame backlash.
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Last I checked, Notre Dame is in the midwest and the ACC was just fine socializing with those Yankees. I think you need start start understanding that regional conferences are becoming a thing of the past, the Big Ten (and even the ACC with ND) is branching out. You should change with the times of be left behind.
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--- 10heels10 wrote:
yankees,yankees,yankees. I want not part of your big10
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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:34 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
On the Ann Arbor vs. Starkville comment:
It really offends the intelligence when fans bolster their argument using as evidence a direct comparison between potential pairings of their school and the least interesting potential rivalry (Mississippi State) in the conference they don't want to join and the most interesting potential rivalry (Michigan) of the conference they do want to join.
It's just to easy to counter.
Most interesting football rivalries (assuming same division) with UNC and UVa in the SEC: South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia and Virginia (all states that border North Carolina, by the way). Plus we play play Florida, Kentucky and Vandy every year and Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Texas A&M every few years. (Not to mention Kentucky twice a year in hoops.) Other games against Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Mizzou.
Most interesting rivalries (assuming same division) with UNC and Uva in the B1G: Virginia, Maryland, Penn State (on four years probation) and Ohio Sate. (Only one state that borders and one traditional rivalry with the traitors in College Park.) Plus we play Ohio State, Rutgers, and Wisconsin every year and Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State and Nebraska every few years. (Not to mention Indiana twice a year in hoops.) Other games against Northwestern, Minnesota, and Iowa.
That is a balanced argument and I prefer the SEC option if, for no other reason, the rivalries in the 4 bordering states and I'd rather develop a rivalry in basketball with Kentucky than Indiana.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:48 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Apparently ESPN Radio is reporting that UVA/GT are in talks with Big Ten, and NCSU/Va Tech with the SEC.
We are going to get screwed for either (1) not being proactive, or (2) refusing to leave Duke behind.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:53 PM
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I don't blame UNC fans for wanting to go to the SEC or stay in the ACC more than the B1G, but I have to say the "Damn Yankees" objection is amusing to me as a fan of a solidly Midwestern B1G school (Illinois).
Doesn't the ACC have Boston College in it and hasn't it had it for years? You really think Chapel Hill has more in common with Boston than say Madison? I mean Boston? And you just added Syracuse and may add UConn? Talk about Yankees.
eta: and fair enough regarding your experience with arrogant B1G fans saying essentially you'll join or else.
I'm guessing those are probably Ohio State fans. :)
Last edited 11/23/2012 12:55 PM by OandBandRAO
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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:57 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.
- E.B. White
Edit: Count me among the Northerners who have graduated from UNC and hate hearing the Civil War-era rhetoric.
Last edited 11/23/2012 1:03 PM by Carolina2009
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Posted: 11/23/2012 1:02 PM
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Nothing on ESPN about this. No way SEC doesnt contact UNC first.
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Apparently ESPN Radio is reporting that UVA/GT are in talks with Big Ten, and NCSU/Va Tech with the SEC.
We are going to get screwed for either (1) not being proactive, or (2) refusing to leave Duke behind.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 1:04 PM
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On the Ann Arbor vs. Starkville comment:
It really offends the intelligence when fans bolster their argument using as evidence a direct comparison between potential pairings of their school and the least interesting potential rivalry (Mississippi State) in the conference they don't want to join and the most interesting potential rivalry (Michigan) of the conference they do want to join.
It's just to easy to counter.
Most interesting football rivalries (assuming same division) with UNC and UVa in the SEC: South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia and Virginia (all states that border North Carolina, by the way). Plus we play play Florida, Kentucky and Vandy every year and Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Texas A&M every few years. (Not to mention Kentucky twice a year in hoops.) Other games against Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Mizzou.
Most interesting rivalries (assuming same division) with UNC and Uva in the B1G: Virginia, Maryland, Penn State (on four years probation) and Ohio Sate. (Only one state that borders and one traditional rivalry with the traitors in College Park.) Plus we play Ohio State, Rutgers, and Wisconsin every year and Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State and Nebraska every few years. (Not to mention Indiana twice a year in hoops.) Other games against Northwestern, Minnesota, and Iowa.
That is a balanced argument and I prefer the SEC option if, for no other reason, the rivalries in the 4 bordering states and I'd rather develop a rivalry in basketball with Kentucky than Indiana.
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Under the current SEC scheduling rotation, y'all would play MSU 1 time every 6 years and in Starkville 1 time every 12 years if they aren't your permanent cross-division rival, which they most likely won't be. I think y'all would get Ole Miss, and Oxford is freaking amazing. By far my favorite place to go to a game other than Athens.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 1:07 PM
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Nothing on ESPN about this. No way SEC doesnt contact UNC first.
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--- Carolina2009 wrote:
Apparently ESPN Radio is reporting that UVA/GT are in talks with Big Ten, and NCSU/Va Tech with the SEC.
We are going to get screwed for either (1) not being proactive, or (2) refusing to leave Duke behind.
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I'm not saying the SEC didn't contact UNC first. But apparently UNC was trying to get the Big Ten to take Duke, too. What if UNC said no to the SEC in order to work the Big Ten, the Big Ten gets tired of the Duke request and decides to take UVA and Ga Tech instead. In the mean time, the SEC has already moved on.
It could happen. And I am scared that it is happening.
BTW, the news about the ESPN Radio report came from a tweet from an apparent UNC fan.
Last edited 11/23/2012 1:08 PM by Carolina2009
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Posted: 11/23/2012 1:10 PM
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They have and unc has said no thanks. This is a move to force unc and I hope it works.
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--- kirksdad66 wrote:
Nothing on ESPN about this. No way SEC doesnt contact UNC first.
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--- Carolina2009 wrote:
Apparently ESPN Radio is reporting that UVA/GT are in talks with Big Ten, and NCSU/Va Tech with the SEC.
We are going to get screwed for either (1) not being proactive, or (2) refusing to leave Duke behind.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 1:22 PM
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Careful with using BC as an example. I think you'll find that the vast majority of fans on this board never wanted BC in the ACC and even a few who still refuse to recognize them as part of the ACC.
Talk about a fish out of water!
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I don't blame UNC fans for wanting to go to the SEC or stay in the ACC more than the B1G, but I have to say the "Damn Yankees" objection is amusing to me as a fan of a solidly Midwestern B1G school (Illinois).
Doesn't the ACC have Boston College in it and hasn't it had it for years? You really think Chapel Hill has more in common with Boston than say Madison? I mean Boston? And you just added Syracuse and may add UConn? Talk about Yankees.
eta: and fair enough regarding your experience with arrogant B1G fans saying essentially you'll join or else.
I'm guessing those are probably Ohio State fans. :)
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Posted: 11/23/2012 1:26 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
By the way, speaking of the Big Ten, I was just on my way home a little while ago and was listening to some of the Iowa-Nebraska game on satellite radio.
Game time weather conditions? 27 degrees with a wind out of the north at 20 mph.
Is this what we want?
As I sit here at my home in northeastern North Carolina enjoying a sunny day in the mid 60s, I say NO WAY to the Big Ten.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 1:52 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
I think your AD would prefer playing in 27 degree weather on national television in front of 80K fans to playing in 70 degree weather on some obscure channel in front of 30K.
Plus, there are few towns in the country that compare to Big Ten towns. Your fans and players would be overwhelmed by the atmosphere. I've traveled to games all over the country and there is nothing that comes close to the Big Ten.
Fortunately for NC, your administrators are well aware of the Big Ten's superiority. See you in 2014!
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By the way, speaking of the Big Ten, I was just on my way home a little while ago and was listening to some of the Iowa-Nebraska game on satellite radio.
Game time weather conditions? 27 degrees with a wind out of the north at 20 mph.
Is this what we want?
As I sit here at my home in northeastern North Carolina enjoying a sunny day in the mid 60s, I say NO WAY to the Big Ten.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 1:53 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Maybe I'm sheltered as I've lived in NC my whole life, went to UNC, and then to Wake for grad school, but...
I know lots of Tennessee fans here in western NC. A handful of SC fans, a few Georgia fans, an Ole Miss guy here and a couple Bama guys there. Also know several Kentucky-basketball-only fans.
I married a girl from western PA who went to Penn State. But other than her and her family, I don't know anybody who pulls for a Big 10 team.
Part of the fun and the dread of college sports to me is going to work the next day and dealing with State/Dook/Clemson/etc. fans. To me, we lose that if we go to the Big 10. Purdue, Illinois, Rutgers, Minnesota, Northwestern, Iowa...these schools, their histories and cultures, are meaningless to me. Obviously there's something appealing about the Big House, Happy Valley, basketball with Indiana and our old friends Michigan State...but I don't know who I'd share any of that with in my day-to-day life.
The SEC wouldn't be the same as the ACC but it would be infinitely better for the sports I care about, which are the same sports 99% of sports fans care about.
Personally, I think the ACC is in a Prisoner's Dilemma. Everybody will be fine if they just sit tight, perhaps add Louisville now or even UConn (yuck--I really want to screw those guys for suing the ACC a few years back), and wait things out. Maybe with the current and upcoming TV deals there are a couple or few extra million per year in another conference, but enough to offset the value of established rivalries and a $50 million exit fee? I doubt it, I seriously do.
In poker, there's a saying that if you never go all-in, you can never lose a tournament. Well, if the members of the ACC decide to just see it through, the ACC will be fine. And if worse comes to worst, there's always the Big 12 schools to poach.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 2:00 PM
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By the way, speaking of the Big Ten, I was just on my way home a little while ago and was listening to some of the Iowa-Nebraska game on satellite radio.
Game time weather conditions? 27 degrees with a wind out of the north at 20 mph.
Is this what we want?
As I sit here at my home in northeastern North Carolina enjoying a sunny day in the mid 60s, I say NO WAY to the Big Ten.
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fwiw, yesterday it was 60 degrees throughout the midwest.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 2:02 PM
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Uh, I highly doubt we'd be playing on some obscure channel in front of 30,000 fans in the SEC...
SEC atmospheres can hold their own and then some against anything the Big Ten has to offer. Seriously? Ever heard of the Swamp? Death Valley at night? Nehlen Stadium? Bryant Denny Stadium?
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I think your AD would prefer playing in 27 degree weather on national television in front of 80K fans to playing in 70 degree weather on some obscure channel in front of 30K.
Plus, there are few towns in the country that compare to Big Ten towns. Your fans and players would be overwhelmed by the atmosphere. I've traveled to games all over the country and there is nothing that comes close to the Big Ten.
Fortunately for NC, your administrators are well aware of the Big Ten's superiority. See you in 2014!
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--- BamainCarolina wrote:
By the way, speaking of the Big Ten, I was just on my way home a little while ago and was listening to some of the Iowa-Nebraska game on satellite radio.
Game time weather conditions? 27 degrees with a wind out of the north at 20 mph.
Is this what we want?
As I sit here at my home in northeastern North Carolina enjoying a sunny day in the mid 60s, I say NO WAY to the Big Ten.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 2:06 PM
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You lost me at the 30K mark...
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Posted: 11/23/2012 2:11 PM
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I think your AD would prefer playing in 27 degree weather on national television in front of 80K fans to playing in 70 degree weather on some obscure channel in front of 30K.
Plus, there are few towns in the country that compare to Big Ten towns. Your fans and players would be overwhelmed by the atmosphere. I've traveled to games all over the country and there is nothing that comes close to the Big Ten.
Fortunately for NC, your administrators are well aware of the Big Ten's superiority. See you in 2014!
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--- BamainCarolina wrote:
By the way, speaking of the Big Ten, I was just on my way home a little while ago and was listening to some of the Iowa-Nebraska game on satellite radio.
Game time weather conditions? 27 degrees with a wind out of the north at 20 mph.
Is this what we want?
As I sit here at my home in northeastern North Carolina enjoying a sunny day in the mid 60s, I say NO WAY to the Big Ten.
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Is this dude serious? If so, the Big 10 just lost the right to claim superior intellect. What a moron!
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Posted: 11/23/2012 2:12 PM
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You guys are missing the point... The girls in the SEC are Hot.
What I just saw on tv in the big ten is well...Butchy!
No way our girls would fit in!
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I think your AD would prefer playing in 27 degree weather on national television in front of 80K fans to playing in 70 degree weather on some obscure channel in front of 30K.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 2:14 PM
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They need that "padding" up north, cold winters you know.
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You guys are missing the point... The girls in the SEC are Hot.
What I just saw on tv in the big ten is well...Butchy!
No way our girls would fit in!
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I think your AD would prefer playing in 27 degree weather on national television in front of 80K fans to playing in 70 degree weather on some obscure channel in front of 30K.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 2:20 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
B1G is boring athletics. Yes, the academics are way better, but we're talking about joining an athletic conference here. More specifically, revenue generating athletics (football and basketball). There is no hype around annual visits from Midwestern schools to Kenan stadium. Meanwhile there is something undeniably exciting about trips to and from Tennessee, Florida, and Georgia though.
The SEC is full of southern flagships, and just because we have a better academic reputation than the others does not mean we are ultimately doomed to go to bed with Michigan, Indiana, and Wisconsin. We are the flagship of North Carolina, a southern state, and that's why the SEC and UNC make a great match. Now add UVA to the equation--top academics, flagship southern university, and the Virginia and D.C. markets. Yes, UNC/UVA joining is the best outcome for the SEC, but it's also the best outcome for us. Heck, even baseball could be revenue generating in the SEC.
There are so many more factors that go into this. Our legislature and BOT are the biggest obstacles in the way, but it is the best option for us.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 2:24 PM
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Don't forget that the Sec would be adding the oldest rivalry in the South with UVA and UNC!
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B1G is boring athletics. Yes, the academics are way better, but we're talking about joining an athletic conference here. More specifically, revenue generating athletics (football and basketball). There is no hype around annual visits from Midwestern schools to Kenan stadium. Meanwhile there is something undeniably exciting about trips to and from Tennessee, Florida, and Georgia though.
The SEC is full of southern flagships, and just because we have a better academic reputation than the others does not mean we are ultimately doomed to go to bed with Michigan, Indiana, and Wisconsin. We are the flagship of North Carolina, a southern state, and that's why the SEC and UNC make a great match. Now add UVA to the equation--top academics, flagship southern university, and the Virginia and D.C. markets. Yes, UNC/UVA joining is the best outcome for the SEC, but it's also the best outcome for us. Heck, even baseball could be revenue generating in the SEC.
There are so many more factors that go into this. Our legislature and BOT are the biggest obstacles in the way, but it is the best option for us.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 2:58 PM
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--- kirksdad66 wrote:
Nothing on ESPN about this. No way SEC doesnt contact UNC first.
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--- Carolina2009 wrote:
Apparently ESPN Radio is reporting that UVA/GT are in talks with Big Ten, and NCSU/Va Tech with the SEC.
We are going to get screwed for either (1) not being proactive, or (2) refusing to leave Duke behind.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 3:03 PM
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B1G is in no way superior....to the SEC athletically.....you're already in their rearview mirror......and as drunk as your are right now......you know I'm right.....
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I think your AD would prefer playing in 27 degree weather on national television in front of 80K fans to playing in 70 degree weather on some obscure channel in front of 30K.
Plus, there are few towns in the country that compare to Big Ten towns. Your fans and players would be overwhelmed by the atmosphere. I've traveled to games all over the country and there is nothing that comes close to the Big Ten.
Fortunately for NC, your administrators are well aware of the Big Ten's superiority. See you in 2014!
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--- BamainCarolina wrote:
By the way, speaking of the Big Ten, I was just on my way home a little while ago and was listening to some of the Iowa-Nebraska game on satellite radio.
Game time weather conditions? 27 degrees with a wind out of the north at 20 mph.
Is this what we want?
As I sit here at my home in northeastern North Carolina enjoying a sunny day in the mid 60s, I say NO WAY to the Big Ten.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 3:08 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
I just showed where weather is NOT substantially worse during football season. Nobody likes 15 degrees but 95 in the shade with lots of humidity is nothing to write home about either.
Hell if only weather dictated where folks wanted to be great cities like New York, London and Paris would be the size of Atlanta.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 3:12 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Is that why everytime I turn around there's somebody from Ohio moving into the Carolinas.
The Midwest is the dullest part of America.
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You all talk about "the Midwest" the same way many talk about "the South", as if it's a singular place. Just as Alabama and North Carolina are different in important ways, Iowa is quite different from Michigan, for instance.
And by what measure have these state's been "left behind"? Here are the per capita incomes of states in the SEC and Big 10 (national rank shown).
1. Maryland (Big 10)
3. New Jersey (Big 10)
11. Minneosta (Big 10)
18. Illinois (Big 10)
21. Wisconsin (Big 10)
22. Nebraska (Big 10)
23. Pennsylvania (Big 10)
24. Iowa (Big 10)
25. TEXAS (SEC)
31. Indiana (Big 10)
33. GEORGIA (SEC)
34. Michigan (Big 10)
35. Ohio (Big 10)
36. MISSOURI (SEC)
37. FLORIDA (SEC)
42. SOUTH CAROLINA (SEC)
44. LOUISIANA (SEC)
45. TENNESSEE (SEC)
46. ALABAMA (SEC)
47. KENTUCKY (SEC)
48. ARKANSAS (SEC)
50. MISSISSIPPI (SEC)
Look, I think that there are advantages and disadvantages of both conferences, but some of you are willing to say just about anything to justify why the SEC is the better choice.
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One of the problems is perception. The Midwest is the part of America that has been left behind...our losers.
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UNC and UVA would be perfect fits to complete the Big10
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Posted: 11/23/2012 5:43 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
I think the ACC will continue with UNC as a prominent member. I could be wrong, but if I had to put money on it, that's what I'd guess.
If I am wrong, and the SEC and Big Ten were both options, I'd be torn. I say that as a person who has spent much of his life in the state of North Carolina, currently lives in SEC country, but also is a fan of a Big Ten member.
Pro SEC - If UVA and UNC were to go to the SEC, UNC would clearly have more natural rivalries in the SEC. I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise. UNC would have SC, UGA, TN, Vanderbilt, and UVA all from states that border NC.
I also think that as a state, that many North Carolinians would feel that an SEC with UNC and UVA would be a better fit.
Pro Big Ten - While I think that NC would be a better fit in the SEC from a state perspective, I think that as a university and as a community, Chapel Hill might fit better in the Big Ten. Places like Madison and Ann Arbor are pretty similar to Chapel Hill and UNC would be a great academic fit. I also get a chuckle out of some of the "yankee" characterizations. I wonder if those saying that have done much traveling through a lot of the Big Ten region, or if they have, if they are very perceptive people.
Also, while I believe the SEC with UNC and UVA would be better from a rivalry standpoint, the Big Ten might be a better overall fit from a total athletic program perspective. UNC operates a lot of sports and places a lot of importance on being well rounded, much like most Big Ten schools.
If forced to chose, I might lean ever slightly to the SEC, but if the ACC were to become so weakened that UNC had to find a new home, there's far worse options than either the SEC or Big Ten. Both are great conferences with great athletic programs. It's easy to focus on the best of one and the worst of another, but there's great fan bases, road trips, and either would provide many great games.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 6:07 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
After watching that Nebraska/Iowa game today I now yearn for the SEC even more.
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