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Posted: 11/22/2012 5:26 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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A lot of chatter on Twitter about UNC and UVa being in talks with the Big Ten, including from an Indiana radio show.
The future of college football (time to get used to the idea):
Big 12:
Baylor, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Pitt, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia
Big Ten:
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Carolina, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Virginia, Wisconsin
Pac-12:
Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Cal, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Oregon, Oregon State, San Diego State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Utah, Washington, Washington State
SEC:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, NC State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
ACC (leftovers)
Boston College, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Duke, ECU, South Florida, Syracuse, Temple, UConn, Wake Forest
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I'd take this. Screw State and Duke.
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You'd take a scenario where State ends up in the SEC, and we end up in a mid-western conference? Frightening.
Last edited 11/22/2012 5:26 PM by F00tbaII
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Posted: 11/22/2012 5:35 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Oh, just looked, all of his posts are on the BB board as well. Another UNC "fan" that doesn't care if every sport, from football and baseball on, die off...That doesn't care if we turn the state of North Carolina into "States state, for real"... as long as BB is semi protected.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 5:43 PM
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A lot of chatter on Twitter about UNC and UVa being in talks with the Big Ten, including from an Indiana radio show.
The future of college football (time to get used to the idea):
Big 12:
Baylor, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Pitt, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia
Big Ten:
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Carolina, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Virginia, Wisconsin
Pac-12:
Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Cal, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Oregon, Oregon State, San Diego State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Utah, Washington, Washington State
SEC:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, NC State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
ACC (leftovers)
Boston College, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Duke, ECU, South Florida, Syracuse, Temple, UConn, Wake Forest
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I'd take this. Screw State and Duke.
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You'd take a scenario where State ends up in the SEC, and we end up in a mid-western conference? Frightening.
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That would be uglier than a dook cheerleader without makeup.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 5:53 PM
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Just to clarify one of my earlier points, when I mentioned academic culture, I meant that it is what matters to the decisionmakers -- the chancellors, presidents, etc. -- who are academics. Academic culture/prestige is obviously not particularly important to most fans.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 5:56 PM
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A lot of chatter on Twitter about UNC and UVa being in talks with the Big Ten, including from an Indiana radio show.
The future of college football (time to get used to the idea):
Big 12:
Baylor, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Pitt, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia
Big Ten:
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Carolina, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Virginia, Wisconsin
Pac-12:
Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Cal, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Oregon, Oregon State, San Diego State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Utah, Washington, Washington State
SEC:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, NC State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
ACC (leftovers)
Boston College, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Duke, ECU, South Florida, Syracuse, Temple, UConn, Wake Forest
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I'd take this. Screw State and Duke.
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You'd take a scenario where State ends up in the SEC, and we end up in a mid-western conference? Frightening.
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State is going to be a non factor wherever they go.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 6:17 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
To clarify, I'm talking about the scenarios presented, assuming the ACC is dying.
If State were to go to the Big XII (or better yet, CUSA), I'd be fine with the SEC.
My present position is just that the Big Ten represents an attractive alternative to a dying ACC, from a football, basketball, and academic perspective. Baseball would suffer probably.
In a nutshell, I want to see us cut the cord from NC State. We have kept them on the map far too long. Screw 'em.
There is also some selfishness on my part, as I relocated to the Midwest a few years ago and am stuck here for the foreseeable future. :)
Last edited 11/22/2012 6:18 PM by HubcapsLesh
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Posted: 11/22/2012 6:29 PM
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To clarify, I'm talking about the scenarios presented, assuming the ACC is dying.
If State were to go to the Big XII (or better yet, CUSA), I'd be fine with the SEC.
My present position is just that the Big Ten represents an attractive alternative to a dying ACC, from a football, basketball, and academic perspective. Baseball would suffer probably.
In a nutshell, I want to see us cut the cord from NC State. We have kept them on the map far too long. Screw 'em.
There is also some selfishness on my part, as I relocated to the Midwest a few years ago and am stuck here for the foreseeable future. :)
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That is a fair enough post.
I will just admit I am terrified we are going to push state into the SEC, that would be slow suicide for UNC.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 6:58 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Whatever the decision, I hope throup is not making the decision or we will end up back in the Southern Conference!
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:02 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Illinois fan here.
Just to note that most fans and alums of Big Ten schools would rather not expand either.
The thing that made college sports so much more interesting than professional sports was the built in rivalries that we all had with our neighboring states. We competed against them in multiple sports year in and year out for decades.
And as much as we hated them on the field, we seemed to have a kinship with them off the field or when we battled schools outside the conference.
So I understand all that.
If we as fans can't stop this search for dollars, I'm not sure who can.
There are benefits to being on tv in various markets. Big ten universities all are huge schools with extremely large alumni base spread across the country. Routers and Penn state are the top two draws in NYC market but that doesn't mean there aren't thousands of alums from other b10 schools living there. That's what the sell is to get this TV dollars. That's something the SEC can't deliver.
And you have to ask yourself where all the growth is coming from in southern states. It's from Northerners moving south and they are graduates of northern schools. Heck, your own politics have changed in the last 30 years to reflect this. I mean how is it that Obama won in 2008 and came close in 2012 in NC? Certainly VA has become more blue recently.
As far as academics, I noticed that one fan said the SEC had 4 members of the AAU and it's interesting to note that 2 of them are in their first year in the SEC and one of them desperately wanted to join the big ten. All members of the big ten are members of the AAU except for Nebraska which recently lost their membership.
But it's not the AAU that brings hundreds of millions of research dollars to each school, it's the CIC, a big the academic side where everything on the academic side are joined between the universities to gain advantages in getting academic dollars.
It's the CIC that always wins over the administration and faculty of universities when they are making decisions on conference affiliations. If it was left up to the faculty and administration at notre dame they would be members of the big ten but their alumni base is very strong and they prefer football independence.
Now, I prefer the ACC staying intact. I prefer the Big Ten not expanding either. Heck, I hate Indiana, Purdue and Ohio State and from what I can tele they will be in a different division if expansion continues. I don't like that at all.
But if expansion goes through, I'd love to have UNC as a member, not so much Duke thou.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:19 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Removed. Warning.
Last edited 11/22/2012 11:08 PM by nasaHEEL
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:22 PM
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I think our ticket sales for SEC football, trumps B1G easily. Talk about heated rivalries (if UNC and Virginia join). USC,Tenn,Georgia,Virginia. In the B1G: Maryland,Virginia
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:30 PM
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Most UNC fans do not want anything to do with the B1G. Painfully slow basketball, and football teams that would be ripe for a PAC12 / SEC slaughter.
We have more in common with Georgia than we do Minnesota. I would rather kiss a moving belt sander than sit and watch us Minnesota or Michigan State every year.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:49 PM
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Lol @ suggesting the Big Ten isn't the premier conference in every aspect. While the speculation is fun, you "fans" really have no idea what's going on, do you?
There are only two possible outcomes here: nc either stays in their current mid-major conference or they join the Big Ten. There is not a third possible outcome. Sorry if that diappoints some of you "fans."
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Most UNC fans do not want anything to do with the B1G. Painfully slow basketball, and football teams that would be ripe for a PAC12 / SEC slaughter.
We have more in common with Georgia than we do Minnesota. I would rather kiss a moving belt sander than sit and watch us Minnesota or Michigan State every year.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:57 PM
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I know it has been eye opening how pathetically arrogant you piece of **** yankees are.
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Lol @ suggesting the Big Ten isn't the premier conference in every aspect. While the speculation is fun, you "fans" really have no idea what's going on, do you?
There are only two possible outcomes here: nc either stays in their current mid-major conference or they join the Big Ten. There is not a third possible outcome. Sorry if that diappoints some of you "fans."
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--- kirksdad66 wrote:
Most UNC fans do not want anything to do with the B1G. Painfully slow basketball, and football teams that would be ripe for a PAC12 / SEC slaughter.
We have more in common with Georgia than we do Minnesota. I would rather kiss a moving belt sander than sit and watch us Minnesota or Michigan State every year.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:58 PM
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Lol @ suggesting the Big Ten isn't the premier conference in every aspect. While the speculation is fun, you "fans" really have no idea what's going on, do you?
There are only two possible outcomes here: nc either stays in their current mid-major conference or they join the Big Ten. There is not a third possible outcome. Sorry if that diappoints some of you "fans."
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Nominated for the dumbest post of the day.......
I hope this doesn't "diappoint" you either.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:58 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Since I live in NJ, it would be nice to see UNC come here regularly, but aside from that nothing about moving to the B1G appeals to me. Not sure I get why the B1G is more $$$. Who's to say we can't remain a viable academic institution in the SEC; especially with UVA joining us there. IMO it's foolish to argue that none of the SEC schools have academic credibility.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 8:11 PM
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Since I live in NJ, it would be nice to see UNC come here regularly, but aside from that nothing about moving to the B1G appeals to me. Not sure I get why the B1G is more $$$. Who's to say we can't remain a viable academic institution in the SEC; especially with UVA joining us there. IMO it's foolish to argue that none of the SEC schools have academic credibility.
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Big ten has more dollars because it has more alumni and more fans, plus they have a lotnof big TV markets covered.
Every big ten university has more than 30,000 undergraduate students except NU.
The three biggest draws in college football are also the three schools with the biggest stadiums, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State. All big ten schools.
Now SEC football is great and the recruiting areas are fertile but for the same reason that Texas would never join the SEC, so should North Carolina. It's about academics.
I bet you didn't know that Texas approached the Big Ten in the 90s after the Southwest Conference broke up. Boy I bet the bitten would want that one back but they thought ND was a sure thing to be the 12th member.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 8:21 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- Heel1963 wrote: Good article on the topic. outkickthecoverage.com/the-sec...-16-members.php--------------------------------------------- This scenario is what concerns me the most. I could live with going to the Big 10 or the SEC but being left behind because we are tied to dook would be the worst outcome. |
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Posted: 11/22/2012 8:27 PM
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Since I live in NJ, it would be nice to see UNC come here regularly, but aside from that nothing about moving to the B1G appeals to me. Not sure I get why the B1G is more $$$. Who's to say we can't remain a viable academic institution in the SEC; especially with UVA joining us there. IMO it's foolish to argue that none of the SEC schools have academic credibility.
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Big ten has more dollars because it has more alumni and more fans, plus they have a lotnof big TV markets covered.
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Since you are an educated northerner, you do know that everyone projects the SEC to make more money than the Big-10, just as soon as the SEC network launches in 2014, right? I mean, I know a southerner couldn't know something a northerner didn't know...
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Posted: 11/22/2012 8:42 PM
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I'm just shocked he even figured out how to sign up for this board.
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I know it has been eye opening how pathetically arrogant you piece of **** yankees are.
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--- DraymondGreen wrote:
Lol @ suggesting the Big Ten isn't the premier conference in every aspect. While the speculation is fun, you "fans" really have no idea what's going on, do you?
There are only two possible outcomes here: nc either stays in their current mid-major conference or they join the Big Ten. There is not a third possible outcome. Sorry if that diappoints some of you "fans."
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Most UNC fans do not want anything to do with the B1G. Painfully slow basketball, and football teams that would be ripe for a PAC12 / SEC slaughter.
We have more in common with Georgia than we do Minnesota. I would rather kiss a moving belt sander than sit and watch us Minnesota or Michigan State every year.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 8:45 PM
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Jesus Christ, it has nothing to do with people being "yankees."
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I know it has been eye opening how pathetically arrogant you piece of **** yankees are.
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--- DraymondGreen wrote:
Lol @ suggesting the Big Ten isn't the premier conference in every aspect. While the speculation is fun, you "fans" really have no idea what's going on, do you?
There are only two possible outcomes here: nc either stays in their current mid-major conference or they join the Big Ten. There is not a third possible outcome. Sorry if that diappoints some of you "fans."
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--- kirksdad66 wrote:
Most UNC fans do not want anything to do with the B1G. Painfully slow basketball, and football teams that would be ripe for a PAC12 / SEC slaughter.
We have more in common with Georgia than we do Minnesota. I would rather kiss a moving belt sander than sit and watch us Minnesota or Michigan State every year.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 8:48 PM
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I would agree but he/she just happens to act like one and a ******* of one at that
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Jesus Christ, it has nothing to do with people being "yankees."
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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:
I know it has been eye opening how pathetically arrogant you piece of **** yankees are.
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--- DraymondGreen wrote:
Lol @ suggesting the Big Ten isn't the premier conference in every aspect. While the speculation is fun, you "fans" really have no idea what's going on, do you?
There are only two possible outcomes here: nc either stays in their current mid-major conference or they join the Big Ten. There is not a third possible outcome. Sorry if that diappoints some of you "fans."
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--- kirksdad66 wrote:
Most UNC fans do not want anything to do with the B1G. Painfully slow basketball, and football teams that would be ripe for a PAC12 / SEC slaughter.
We have more in common with Georgia than we do Minnesota. I would rather kiss a moving belt sander than sit and watch us Minnesota or Michigan State every year.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 9:00 PM
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Do you really want us in your league, Sparty? Roy owns Izzo. What is it? 7-0 or something like that. Trust me, no one here wants to be in your boring league. You're wasting your breath. Go back to your board and talk about being Michigan's beeotch for the last 100 years.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 9:35 PM
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Just to clarify one of my earlier points, when I mentioned academic culture, I meant that it is what matters to the decisionmakers -- the chancellors, presidents, etc. -- who are academics. Academic culture/prestige is obviously not particularly important to most fans.
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Vanderbilt is not hurt one bit by being in the SEC. Neither is Texas A&M. Texas is not hurt by being in the Big 12. The California schools are not hurt being in the Pac-12. Their academic reputations are solid and intact.
UNC's academic culture is set by the University itself. Its prestige has come about through the very hard work of UNC people. It is not tied to being a member of the ACC. Nor, would it tied to being a member of the B1G. That is a complete and total fallacy.
UNC got to where it is because of UNC.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 9:35 PM
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Carolina2009 is a BB fan. I would NOT take that. That has ncest in the SEC.
Read this and let it sink in, IF WE FRIGGIN SEND STATE TO THE SEC... then UNC will be "little brother" inside of 10-20 years. They WILL pass us if they are in the SEC and we are not. Period, argue all you friggin want about being with "better" schools in the Big-10, it won't matter. THAT is states wet friggin dream.
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I am a UNC fan. I am not a basketball-only fan. I care about how the conference move will affect everything, from football to academics to women's field hockey. You, sir, are a football-only fan.
Plus, that was a guess at what will happen, not a statement of what I want to happen. As I said in another thread on the *football* board, I am warming up to the idea of joining the SEC. The only thing I really care about is moving with UVA. I don't want to end up with State, Va Tech, or Ga Tech.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 10:06 PM
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Since I live in NJ, it would be nice to see UNC come here regularly, but aside from that nothing about moving to the B1G appeals to me. Not sure I get why the B1G is more $$$. Who's to say we can't remain a viable academic institution in the SEC; especially with UVA joining us there. IMO it's foolish to argue that none of the SEC schools have academic credibility.
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Big ten has more dollars because it has more alumni and more fans, plus they have a lotnof big TV markets covered.
Every big ten university has more than 30,000 undergraduate students except NU.
The three biggest draws in college football are also the three schools with the biggest stadiums, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State. All big ten schools.
Now SEC football is great and the recruiting areas are fertile but for the same reason that Texas would never join the SEC, so should North Carolina. It's about academics.
I bet you didn't know that Texas approached the Big Ten in the 90s after the Southwest Conference broke up. Boy I bet the bitten would want that one back but they thought ND was a sure thing to be the 12th member.
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There is so much wrong with this post it's just laughable.
1. Congratulations on your "large" enrollment. Doesn't mean jack. I can go anywhere in the country and find graduates of SEC schools.
2. If you think those 3 schools are the 3 biggest draws in college football, you are beyond help. There's a reason that every Saturday night there are 4 nationally televised SEC games on to maybe 1 from the Big 10. The biggest draw in college football is the SEC.
3. Texas didn't join the SEC because they wouldn't have been able to keep the Longhorn Network if they did. It was about money. All conference expansion is about money, and anyone that says anything different is full of crap.
4. And while you're on the academic superiority kick, why don't you explain why a conference with 14 teams is called the Big 10? Given those counting skills y'all should add Georgia Tech. Their athletes can't even count to 4 (See: Ball, Reggie).
It was a valiant effort on your part, but you fail. Try again during the next round of expansion. Besides, I'm surprised you want UNC in the Big 10 after the butt-whoopin' they put on Illinois in the national title game a few years back.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 11:18 PM
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Looking at B1G athletics I see that:
Last BCS championship was in 2002 and they are 1-2 in BCS title games (Same record as the ACC)
Last NCAA bb championship was in 2000- Since that year the ACC has won 5 titles
Last College Baseball World Series Champion was in 1966
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Posted: 11/22/2012 11:37 PM
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I vote no for any scenario where State goes to the SEC. A big N-O!
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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:02 AM
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I'll try again since I got a "Warning" on my previous message...
I hope the ACC stays together but if we have to move I hope it's to the B1G or $EC. I don't want to but I don't want to be left clinging to a dead in the water ACC either. Actually, we are one of the few schools that's gonna land in the so-called 4 super conferences for sure.
Let's look at the B1G and $EC, shall we?
Academically and athletically we are a better fit in the B1G. We are an AAU university, flagship u for our state, and one of the top public universities alongside Mich & Wisc. We compete in 26 sports including the "field" sports like field hockey and lax. A majority of the B1G have those teams. The $EC, not so much. Florida has women's lax, only Scar and UK play men's soccer, nobody has wrestling. Vandy competes in 6, count 'em, 6 men's sports. Tenn 9. The whole $EC is like that.
Culturally, we are a southern state and fit more with the $EC in that respect. I got the "warning" for elaborating that we are more similar to Louisiana and Mississippi than we are to Illinois or Michigan. Nate Silver knows why.
So we need to decide what's in the best interest of the University. Hey, non-ACC sanctioned women's gymnastics is probably salivating at the chance to be in the $EC with powerhouses UGa and Bama, 6-time NCAA Champion Field hockey, not so much...
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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:34 AM
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1 SEC team has wrestling. Missouri is competing in the MAC this year.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 3:12 AM
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This. Texas is in a conference with less than stellar schools. Is its academic reputation suffering? The academic stuff is just weak. This is an athletic conference, not an academic conference.
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Just to clarify one of my earlier points, when I mentioned academic culture, I meant that it is what matters to the decisionmakers -- the chancellors, presidents, etc. -- who are academics. Academic culture/prestige is obviously not particularly important to most fans.
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Vanderbilt is not hurt one bit by being in the SEC. Neither is Texas A&M. Texas is not hurt by being in the Big 12. The California schools are not hurt being in the Pac-12. Their academic reputations are solid and intact.
UNC's academic culture is set by the University itself. Its prestige has come about through the very hard work of UNC people. It is not tied to being a member of the ACC. Nor, would it tied to being a member of the B1G. That is a complete and total fallacy.
UNC got to where it is because of UNC.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 6:35 AM
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Shadow-
I'm one of those "Northerners" and I didn't know that launch of the SEC network will have them making more $$$ than the B1G.
Sure would like to see a link to that projection.
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Since I live in NJ, it would be nice to see UNC come here regularly, but aside from that nothing about moving to the B1G appeals to me. Not sure I get why the B1G is more $$$. Who's to say we can't remain a viable academic institution in the SEC; especially with UVA joining us there. IMO it's foolish to argue that none of the SEC schools have academic credibility.
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Big ten has more dollars because it has more alumni and more fans, plus they have a lotnof big TV markets covered.
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Since you are an educated northerner, you do know that everyone projects the SEC to make more money than the Big-10, just as soon as the SEC network launches in 2014, right? I mean, I know a southerner couldn't know something a northerner didn't know...
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Posted: 11/23/2012 6:39 AM
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If it is about money and football is the main money maker then it is the SEC hands down. If UNC and UVA go to the big 10 and nc state and vatech go to the SEC, the argument will be settled over time. The outcome will not be favorable to UNC -UVA - big 10.
state and vatrch would rule recruiting and victories in football over their main rivals from the big.
Ask yourself this when is the last time you got excited about a big 10 matchup in football? Then ask the same question about the SEC.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 6:41 AM
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I don't like the weather related argument. September through November is pretty decent weather throughout the country. The weather channel's history of November in Ann Arbor is 48 high, 33 low. In fact, I think a case can be made that those 12 noon games at Kenan early on in September are the worst football climate.
I don't want to go anywhere but ACC country but still would prefer Ann Arbor to Starkville for a football game atmosphere.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:26 AM
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It's 2012. Please quit with the "yankee" insults. Really pathetic.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:42 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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--- secondcityheel wrote:
It's 2012. Please quit with the "yankee" insults. Really pathetic.
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So, when they come to our boards and talk down to us like we are a slow 12 year old, what would you have us do? When they come on our boards and just flat out tell us what we will do, and that we have no choice, what would you have us do? What should we do when the act just like the stereotypical "yankee"?
Most of the other adjectives we could use to describe them would get us banned. :P
BTW, some of my best friends are from up north, but they don't act like yankees. As in, they don't act pushy like only they matter, they don't look down their nose at southerners, they don't have an aura of undeserved arrogance swirling around them.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:43 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Lets go big ten if we have to leave
THEN WE CAN START A HOCKEY PROGRAM!!!!
College Hockey is fun
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:44 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
This is a post I copied from the baseball board. I would preface by saying that I would prefer us to be an independent before going to the Big Ten.
+1
I hope Swoffie has something in his pocket to keep Clemson/FSU in the league. If they leave, we are in a one option situation, SEC, if we want to keep things anywhere near to where they are. We are in great shape in baseball, going in the right direction in football and look to be upside in basketball for the next few years. We COULD be in for an early 80s type ride over the next few years. However, all of this would come crashing down in short order if the ACC is weakened by the loss of Clemson/FSU.
Our choice would be the rust belt Big Ten or B1G or whatever, the SEC or staying in the Clemson/FSUseless ACC. The ACC in the 70s was big time, but big time athletics has left Duke and Wake behind. The Big Four is No More. It is the Big One, with the other three competing in some sports sometimes.
I would prefer we proactively seek a move to the SEC, as that would be as good/better in the three sports than where we will be if the ACC stays intact, but I know that will never happen as long as the basketball folks see us joined at the hip with Duke. I just hope if the ACC does split, we can get in the SEC. I have absolutely no interest in road trips to Northwestern, East Lansing, Minnesota or Indiana for football or baseball. Of course if the level of competition in baseball in the B1G is any indication, I may not have so much interest in going to the Bosh before too long if that were to happen.....I don't see how we could recruit worth a flip in that case.
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--- InMit wrote:
I'll be all but finished with UNC athletics if we move to the Freakin' Big 10. Surely, surely we won't do that will we? Well, we're so superior academically, I guess we would.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:49 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
+10000000
North Carolina is a Southern School in a Southern State, and we want to play in a Southern League. I fail to understand why many folks that move to an area because it is apparently better than where they were before seem to have a knack for feeling an immediate need to change things to what they had before they left the other place. Give us a break.
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--- secondcityheel wrote:
It's 2012. Please quit with the "yankee" insults. Really pathetic.
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So, when they come to our boards and talk down to us like we are a slow 12 year old, what would you have us do? When they come on our boards and just flat out tell us what we will do, and that we have no choice, what would you have us do? What should we do when the act just like the stereotypical "yankee"?
Most of the other adjectives we could use to describe them would get us banned. :P
BTW, some of my best friends are from up north, but they don't act like yankees. As in, they don't act pushy like only they matter, they don't look down their nose at southerners, they don't have an aura of undeserved arrogance swirling around them.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 9:30 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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--- GforHeels wrote:
+10000000
North Carolina is a Southern School in a Southern State, and we want to play in a Southern League. I fail to understand why many folks that move to an area because it is apparently better than where they were before seem to have a knack for feeling an immediate need to change things to what they had before they left the other place. Give us a break.
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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:
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--- secondcityheel wrote:
It's 2012. Please quit with the "yankee" insults. Really pathetic.
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So, when they come to our boards and talk down to us like we are a slow 12 year old, what would you have us do? When they come on our boards and just flat out tell us what we will do, and that we have no choice, what would you have us do? What should we do when the act just like the stereotypical "yankee"?
Most of the other adjectives we could use to describe them would get us banned. :P
BTW, some of my best friends are from up north, but they don't act like yankees. As in, they don't act pushy like only they matter, they don't look down their nose at southerners, they don't have an aura of undeserved arrogance swirling around them.
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Thank you, Gfor! As a trained regional sociologist who graduated from the school that invented regional sociology (THIS ONE!) there is a reason for those bumper stickers that say things like "We don't give a **** how y'all did it up North!" We've been polite, inclusive and loving enough to offer both sweet and unsweet tea; y'all be considerate enough to realize I-95 runs both North and South.
I understand lots of Tar Heel alumni and supporters are Northerners, and we've welcomed and appreciated you in the past, and we still do. Bless you. But please don't join in with your condescending neighbors and tell us how you are our Messiah and that we need you for our salvation. Somebody already did that, and He doesn't need your help.
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