The TAMU example is interesting. First, its a very solid school, not on par with UNC but well above average in the SEC. Second, they've done pretty well for themselves already in football. This may make the transition easier from both an academic adminstrator's and a football fan's standpoint. UVA might have a harder time buying it, however.


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Explains a lot. I think having UNC in the SEC would be huge. There's really no reason that UNC football couldn't thrive in the SEC. Look at Arkansas and South Carolina. They were doormats when they first came in, but they've improved leaps and bounds.

While I think that academics aren't driving the bus here, I do think that adding Texas A&M and Missouri, in addition to everything else they bring to the SEC, was done in order to help make the eventual SEC pitch to UNC/UVA more attractive academically. I think Slive understood that 14 wasn't the last stop. Adding two AAU schools to get to 14 was in part Slive lining his checkers up to go to 16.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

Reb, as I said above, Crass is NOT a UNC fan. He is a state fan, and state fans KNOW they are screwed, blued, and tattooed if UNC goes to the SEC.

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--- NaturalStateReb wrote:

So, why not follow this argument to its logical extent and petition the Ivy League for admission?

It's charming that you think academics is driving this bus. Academics are in the back seat with basketball just following the hood ornament. They're just window dressing to help cover the financial decision making that's really going on here.

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It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC.

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What a load of horsehockey... so far most alumni are in favor of UNC going to the SEC.

Just another example of a piece of offal wolpfacker trying to stir up something. I bet you are scared ******** that UNC wakes up and takes the SEC's offer.

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No, it's not. I realize this is a sports forum, but at the end of the day, the value of the UNC degree is what is most important for students and alumni. The SEC is by far a weaker academic conference, whereas a joint move with UVA to the Big Ten would most likely result in academic value-added.

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College athletics is a big money business now....no one who has posted here can argue otherwise. Going to the conference that has the best college athletics is is the best interest if money is driving this. That conference is the S.E.C.

The B1G will never catch up to the S.E.C. in football or perhaps now basketball. I would give Urban Meyer four years to build his program and he would still get his tail kicked by the best S.E.C. program in that given year.
Unless ND joins full for all sports the ACC will be picked apart by this time next year, maybe even sooner.

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--- NaturalStateReb wrote:

Explains a lot. I think having UNC in the SEC would be huge. There's really no reason that UNC football couldn't thrive in the SEC. Look at Arkansas and South Carolina. They were doormats when they first came in, but they've improved leaps and bounds.

While I think that academics aren't driving the bus here, I do think that adding Texas A&M and Missouri, in addition to everything else they bring to the SEC, was done in order to help make the eventual SEC pitch to UNC/UVA more attractive academically. I think Slive understood that 14 wasn't the last stop. Adding two AAU schools to get to 14 was in part Slive lining his checkers up to go to 16.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

Reb, as I said above, Crass is NOT a UNC fan. He is a state fan, and state fans KNOW they are screwed, blued, and tattooed if UNC goes to the SEC.

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--- NaturalStateReb wrote:

So, why not follow this argument to its logical extent and petition the Ivy League for admission?

It's charming that you think academics is driving this bus. Academics are in the back seat with basketball just following the hood ornament. They're just window dressing to help cover the financial decision making that's really going on here.

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--- crassdt wrote:

It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC.

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What a load of horsehockey... so far most alumni are in favor of UNC going to the SEC.

Just another example of a piece of offal wolpfacker trying to stir up something. I bet you are scared ******** that UNC wakes up and takes the SEC's offer.

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No, it's not. I realize this is a sports forum, but at the end of the day, the value of the UNC degree is what is most important for students and alumni. The SEC is by far a weaker academic conference, whereas a joint move with UVA to the Big Ten would most likely result in academic value-added.

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Interesting, after readin "le butterknife", it seems the hoos are like the heels, both prefer the SEC over the Big-10 by a wide margin.

Jim Delany may have outsmarted himself and pushed UNC and UVa into the SEC.

Problem is...the people speaking for us will prefer the Big 10. We'll just have thousands upon thousands of upset fans.






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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

Interesting, after readin "le butterknife", it seems the hoos are like the heels, both prefer the SEC over the Big-10 by a wide margin.

Jim Delany may have outsmarted himself and pushed UNC and UVa into the SEC.

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If we are being contacted, my hope is that Bubba is doing the talking on our behalf. Otherwise, this is what I fear will happen - the SEC will tire of waiting to gain a foothold in NC and VA. They will invite State and Va Tech, who will instantly accept.

The Big Ten will invite UVA and UNC to join. UVA will accept. Wary of being left off Swofford's Christmas card list, our "leadership" will stick with the ACC. This will lead to Rams Club emails with enticing taglines such as "Dont miss UNC battle conference foes UConn and Southern Miss at BKS! Get your tickets now . . . please?"

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Problem is...the people speaking for us will prefer the Big 10. We'll just have thousands upon thousands of upset fans.






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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

Interesting, after readin "le butterknife", it seems the hoos are like the heels, both prefer the SEC over the Big-10 by a wide margin.

Jim Delany may have outsmarted himself and pushed UNC and UVa into the SEC.

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Read "thousands upon thousands of empty seats."

South Carolina was a doormat. Arkansas was second only to Texas in the Southwest Conference.
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--- NaturalStateReb wrote:

Explains a lot. I think having UNC in the SEC would be huge. There's really no reason that UNC football couldn't thrive in the SEC. Look at Arkansas and South Carolina. They were doormats when they first came in, but they've improved leaps and bounds.

While I think that academics aren't driving the bus here, I do think that adding Texas A&M and Missouri, in addition to everything else they bring to the SEC, was done in order to help make the eventual SEC pitch to UNC/UVA more attractive academically. I think Slive understood that 14 wasn't the last stop. Adding two AAU schools to get to 14 was in part Slive lining his checkers up to go to 16.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

Reb, as I said above, Crass is NOT a UNC fan. He is a state fan, and state fans KNOW they are screwed, blued, and tattooed if UNC goes to the SEC.

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--- NaturalStateReb wrote:

So, why not follow this argument to its logical extent and petition the Ivy League for admission?

It's charming that you think academics is driving this bus. Academics are in the back seat with basketball just following the hood ornament. They're just window dressing to help cover the financial decision making that's really going on here.

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--- crassdt wrote:

It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC.

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What a load of horsehockey... so far most alumni are in favor of UNC going to the SEC.

Just another example of a piece of offal wolpfacker trying to stir up something. I bet you are scared ******** that UNC wakes up and takes the SEC's offer.

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No, it's not. I realize this is a sports forum, but at the end of the day, the value of the UNC degree is what is most important for students and alumni. The SEC is by far a weaker academic conference, whereas a joint move with UVA to the Big Ten would most likely result in academic value-added.

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Not when they entered the SEC. The season before I watched them lose to Rice in Little Rock. They only won 3 games the first year and lost to The Citadel.

The first few years of SEC football were unkind to Arkansas.

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--- NaturalStateReb wrote:

Explains a lot. I think having UNC in the SEC would be huge. There's really no reason that UNC football couldn't thrive in the SEC. Look at Arkansas and South Carolina. They were doormats when they first came in, but they've improved leaps and bounds.

While I think that academics aren't driving the bus here, I do think that adding Texas A&M and Missouri, in addition to everything else they bring to the SEC, was done in order to help make the eventual SEC pitch to UNC/UVA more attractive academically. I think Slive understood that 14 wasn't the last stop. Adding two AAU schools to get to 14 was in part Slive lining his checkers up to go to 16.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

Reb, as I said above, Crass is NOT a UNC fan. He is a state fan, and state fans KNOW they are screwed, blued, and tattooed if UNC goes to the SEC.

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--- NaturalStateReb wrote:

So, why not follow this argument to its logical extent and petition the Ivy League for admission?

It's charming that you think academics is driving this bus. Academics are in the back seat with basketball just following the hood ornament. They're just window dressing to help cover the financial decision making that's really going on here.

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--- crassdt wrote:

It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC.

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What a load of horsehockey... so far most alumni are in favor of UNC going to the SEC.

Just another example of a piece of offal wolpfacker trying to stir up something. I bet you are scared ******** that UNC wakes up and takes the SEC's offer.

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No, it's not. I realize this is a sports forum, but at the end of the day, the value of the UNC degree is what is most important for students and alumni. The SEC is by far a weaker academic conference, whereas a joint move with UVA to the Big Ten would most likely result in academic value-added.

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This AAU thing is overrated. While there are fine schools in the AAU, there are some which aren't exactly standouts...Kansas? Mizzou? Conversely, there are other wonderful universities that are not AAU members - Syracuse, Notre Dame.

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--- MinkHeel wrote:

A lot of it is about academic culture NOT social culture. The SEC has a total of FOUR schools that are members of the American Association of Universities (which consists of 62 public and private research universities in the United States and Canada and which is an invitation-only group based on the high quality of programs of academic research and scholarship and undergraduate, graduate, and professional education in a number of fields, as well as general recognition that a university is outstanding by reason of the excellence of its research and education programs) -- the four SEC schools are Vandy, Florida, Texas A&M and Mizzou. EVERY member of the Big Ten (except Nebraska) is a member of the AAU (including UMd and Rutgers). In the ACC, UNC, Duke, GT, UVa, UMd and Pitt are all members of the AAU. So a UNC/UVa combo, or UNC/Duke/UVa/GT package would be well received in the BIG TEN.

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AAU has historically valued research prowess a great deal. Notre Dame and Syracuse are excellent undergraduate institutions, but they haven't been as prolific on the research side. In the current climate where biomedical research is a cash cow on many campuses, the lack of a medical school hurts both institutions.

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This AAU thing is overrated. While there are fine schools in the AAU, there are some which aren't exactly standouts...Kansas? Mizzou? Conversely, there are other wonderful universities that are not AAU members - Syracuse, Notre Dame.

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--- MinkHeel wrote:

A lot of it is about academic culture NOT social culture. The SEC has a total of FOUR schools that are members of the American Association of Universities (which consists of 62 public and private research universities in the United States and Canada and which is an invitation-only group based on the high quality of programs of academic research and scholarship and undergraduate, graduate, and professional education in a number of fields, as well as general recognition that a university is outstanding by reason of the excellence of its research and education programs) -- the four SEC schools are Vandy, Florida, Texas A&M and Mizzou. EVERY member of the Big Ten (except Nebraska) is a member of the AAU (including UMd and Rutgers). In the ACC, UNC, Duke, GT, UVa, UMd and Pitt are all members of the AAU. So a UNC/UVa combo, or UNC/Duke/UVa/GT package would be well received in the BIG TEN.

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i imagine carolina will form a committee to recommend the best road to take and by the time they make a decision the roads will all be closed.....

lot of speculation
the waiting has begun

Would the Board of Governors allow UNC to jump to a new league without some assurances for NCSU? Seems to me the Wolpfackers' future would be the albatross around UNC's options much more than the Dook rivalry.

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--- heelsaddict wrote:

Would the Board of Governors allow UNC to jump to a new league without some assurances for NCSU? Seems to me the Wolpfackers' future would be the albatross around UNC's options much more than the Dook rivalry.

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It will be an "Either or" scenario.

Florida and Georgia are no slouches academically. UNC and Virginia could have worse partners (1/2 the Big 12, all of the new BE).

If you EVER want to be competitive in football and have a chance for a national championship, the SEC is the only way to go.

That could wake up "the sleeping giant" at long last. Few players leaving the State for Tennessee, South Carolina and certainly no more to Clemson.

If we go to the Big Ten, State gets the SEC spot and they will out-recruit us.

The B1G is a mediocre football conference and just got worse with Rutgers and Maryland. Outside of Ohio State and Michigan, it has no chance at a National Championship.

If we get the SEC spot, we will recruit as well as anyone in the SEC East in time and have a real shot at being in the NC mix. The best players are in the southeast, Texas and California. Last I checked, there are NO B1G teams in any of those states.

And the game day experience with Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida in every other year and the occasional visit from Bama and LSU would be phenomenal.

Removed

(Not one team there I'd be excited to play EVER.)

The Big10 would be at least even in BB and possibly a step up from the ACC....the SEC is horrible

The Big10 is usually better than the Big12 in FB but behind the SEC.....but last 3 years behind both

I'm surprised so many UNC fans would prefer an academically weak conference like the SEC over the top academic Big10

It's pretty simple actually. Academics aside, what do people from NC have in common with people from the midwest? Who will travel to Nebraska or Indiana in November for a game? There are good academic schools in the SEC East which is where UNC almost certainly would land. And as far as basketball goes, B1G basketball is BORING. No matter where we land we are gonna play Duke in basketball and NCSU in football every year anyways. Give me Florida, Vandy, UGA, UVA anyday over the B1G.
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The Big10 would be at least even in BB and possibly a step up from the ACC....the SEC is horrible

The Big10 is usually better than the Big12 in FB but behind the SEC.....but last 3 years behind both

I'm surprised so many UNC fans would prefer an academically weak conference like the SEC over the top academic Big10

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I am warming up to the idea of joining the SEC, as long as we go with UVA. I have no interest in playing Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, or Texas A&M, but that's no different than several Big Ten schools.

But as a young alumnus and Northerner, I cringe every time I see a comment about the "War of Northern Aggression" or the like.

Think about non-revenue sports as well, take baseball for example..been to Omaha 5 of the last 7 years..you will cripple the program recruiting wise if you go to the big 10..on the other hand go to the SEC, and they will be in the best baseball conference in the country, playing the best of the best and can recruit the whole country because kids want to play in the best conference..i know this is more about football and basketball, but there are other programs to think about too in the athletics department

Attention visiting aggie fans. Crumbs is all that will be left for you. Reality will not be kind once realized. That's all you get for now.

And seriously, if one person says anything about the lack of lacrosse in the SEC, you'll hear me screaming from North Raleigh.

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And seriously, if one person says anything about the lack of lacrosse in the SEC, you'll hear me screaming from North Raleigh.

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LOL, tell me all about those Big10 NCAA bball titles you guys have been racking up. SEC has THREE since MSU won in 2000. Prior to that you have to go to Michigan in 1989!!

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LOL, tell me all about those Big10 NCAA bball titles you guys have been racking up. SEC has THREE since MSU won in 2000. Prior to that you have to go to Michigan in 1989!!

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--- sluggur1 wrote:

This AAU thing is overrated. While there are fine schools in the AAU, there are some which aren't exactly standouts...Kansas? Mizzou? Conversely, there are other wonderful universities that are not AAU members - Syracuse, Notre Dame.

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--- MinkHeel wrote:

A lot of it is about academic culture NOT social culture. The SEC has a total of FOUR schools that are members of the American Association of Universities (which consists of 62 public and private research universities in the United States and Canada and which is an invitation-only group based on the high quality of programs of academic research and scholarship and undergraduate, graduate, and professional education in a number of fields, as well as general recognition that a university is outstanding by reason of the excellence of its research and education programs) -- the four SEC schools are Vandy, Florida, Texas A&M and Mizzou. EVERY member of the Big Ten (except Nebraska) is a member of the AAU (including UMd and Rutgers). In the ACC, UNC, Duke, GT, UVa, UMd and Pitt are all members of the AAU. So a UNC/UVa combo, or UNC/Duke/UVa/GT package would be well received in the BIG TEN.

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UGA isn't in the AAU either (rumor is it won't be long before we are though), despite being ranked higher than many schools in the AAU.

But that still hasn't stopped UGA from doing some pretty important research such as:
1. Developing a possible cure for cancer ( onlineathens.com/local-news/20...ti-cancer-agent ).
2. Creating a way to quickly heal broken bones ( onlineathens.com/local-news/20...nes-mend-faster ).

The Big 10 is a joke and watch us end up there due to academic snobbery. The SEC will then pick vt and ncst and the best we can hope for are tickets from ncst relatives to see them play the Bama's and Fla's of the world. Can't wait. While we play Northwestern and Minnesota. Yippeee!

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The Big 10 is a joke and watch us end up there due to academic snobbery. The SEC will then pick vt and ncst and the best we can hope for are tickets from ncst relatives to see them play the Bama's and Fla's of the world. Can't wait. While we play Northwestern and Minnesota. Yippeee!

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Or, we will be in the SEC and state will be begging a conference to take them, just like they beg coaches. :D

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The Big 10 is a joke and watch us end up there due to academic snobbery. The SEC will then pick vt and ncst and the best we can hope for are tickets from ncst relatives to see them play the Bama's and Fla's of the world. Can't wait. While we play Northwestern and Minnesota. Yippeee!

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Or, we will be in the SEC and state will be begging a conference to take them, just like they beg coaches. :D

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That ACC list looks horrible. If that happens that should just merge with CUSA.

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--- Carolina2009 wrote:

A lot of chatter on Twitter about UNC and UVa being in talks with the Big Ten, including from an Indiana radio show.

The future of college football (time to get used to the idea):

Big 12:
Baylor, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Pitt, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia

Big Ten:
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Carolina, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Virginia, Wisconsin

Pac-12:
Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Cal, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Oregon, Oregon State, San Diego State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Utah, Washington, Washington State

SEC:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, NC State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech

ACC (leftovers)
Boston College, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Duke, ECU, South Florida, Syracuse, Temple, UConn, Wake Forest

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--- ghostheel wrote:

The Big 10 is a joke and watch us end up there due to academic snobbery. The SEC will then pick vt and ncst and the best we can hope for are tickets from ncst relatives to see them play the Bama's and Fla's of the world. Can't wait. While we play Northwestern and Minnesota. Yippeee!

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And 4 of the top 10 teams all time in Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska and Penn State, all with amazing traditions and the biggest stadiums in the nation.

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--- Tarheel77nGa wrote:

Doesn't the B1G contract control all third tier rights, whereas UNC can do their own thing with their third tier rights? I would imagine that would have to be settled before UNC would consider going to the B1G. I want to say I read somewhere that UNC makes $11 million a year off their third tier stuff alone.

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Nope Ohio state has or had the biggest deal a few years ago

espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_...dia-rights-deal

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Doesn't the B1G contract control all third tier rights, whereas UNC can do their own thing with their third tier rights? I would imagine that would have to be settled before UNC would consider going to the B1G. I want to say I read somewhere that UNC makes $11 million a year off their third tier stuff alone.

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Nope Ohio state has or had the biggest deal a few years ago

espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_...dia-rights-deal

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On top of that deal (10 year, $128 million), here's the Big Ten per team payout given to Maryland...

2014 - $32 million (ACC $19 million)
2015 - $33 million
2016 - $34.5 million
2017 - $43 million (ACC $24 million)
2018 - $44 million
2019 - $45 million

So, in 5 years, Ohio State will be pulling in over $50 million per year in media payouts. The average payout over the life of the SEC's deal is just over $20 million + their 3rd tier deals. In Florida's case, it's about $30 million per year and when the SEC Network launches, it will replace their 3rd tier rights (CBS 1st tier, ESPN 2nd tier, SEC Network 3rd tier). Effectively for schools like Florida who have huge 3rd tier deals in place already, the SEC Network will be a net wash to marginally more than what they already have.


And BTW, that payout is BEFORE adding the NYC market, New Jersey, North Carolina and Virginia in the event that you guys come to the Big Ten. Also, unlike the SEC's deal, the Big Ten's isn't locked in. It grows with the growth of their own network.

FSU has reached an agreement with the Big 12 and Clemson is not far behind.

the hold up on the annoucement is that they are trying to see how the buyout goes with Maryland.

But they are now gone.

The ACC is dead.


Man I hope we don't do something stupid like go to the big mid west and hand State to the SEC on a silver platter.


SEC! SEC! SEC!

While this doesn't surprise me. I find it astonishing that anyone would want to bolt because Maryland of all teams bolted. It's going to weird when we all sit down and look at this and say what was the undoing of the ACC..

Not FSU, UVA, Clemson UNC or any other good school leaving.. BUT MARYLAND.. Man let that digest.. Freaking Maryland is going to be the team that started it all.. That's wild. To me Maryland is barely above par with NcState. And a slight shoulder above the lowliest programs of B.C. Dook and Wake.

I equate this to being like Vandy running somewhere else and the SEC falling apart.

IF, and this is a big if, the ACC for all intents and purposes caves in and we either stay with the ship or go to the B1G, handing iNCeST an opportunity to go to the SEC we will rue the day. No matter how bad snorting whiny TOBy is, kids will line up to play SEC football and any recruiting advantage we currently have, which is huge right now, will be gone. For the love of God PLEASE don't let Thorp be the decision maker on this!!

It's not so much which school as it is that ANy school could get out. Everyone thought the $50MM buyout fee was basically a collar around any school leaving. But, MD has proven that either the fee is not what it was purported to be or that other conferences are willing to pay through the nose to get ACC teams. This basically tells the "football" schools and the other conferences that ACC teams are on the market.
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While this doesn't surprise me. I find it astonishing that anyone would want to bolt because Maryland of all teams bolted. It's going to weird when we all sit down and look at this and say what was the undoing of the ACC..

Not FSU, UVA, Clemson UNC or any other good school leaving.. BUT MARYLAND.. Man let that digest.. Freaking Maryland is going to be the team that started it all.. That's wild. To me Maryland is barely above par with NcState. And a slight shoulder above the lowliest programs of B.C. Dook and Wake.

I equate this to being like Vandy running somewhere else and the SEC falling apart.

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IF, and this is a big if, the ACC for all intents and purposes caves in and we either stay with the ship or go to the B1G, handing iNCeST an opportunity to go to the SEC we will rue the day. No matter how bad snorting whiny TOBy is, kids will line up to play SEC football and any recruiting advantage we currently have, which is huge right now, will be gone. For the love of God PLEASE don't let Thorp be the decision maker on this!!

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You assume that the SEC would want ncst.

I'm not so sure...

If state gets sec, they will be able to upgrade from toby....

Hockey, bro.

UMd is a CHARTER member of the ACC, and an AAU school. Forget about programs -- this is about institutions and alumni bases. UMd is gonna to be a decent, big school for a long, long time and keep churning out BTN subscribers.

Besides, you (and many others) got this UMd is such dreck stuff EXACTLY BACKWARDS.

It is BECAUSE UMd was in such dire straights financially and competitively that schools like Clem-F$U look at its move and go, "Whoa, if bolting can fix THAT mess, think of what it will do for us!"

And get this -- there was NO pushback from anyone at UMd. It was a done deal in hours. That also creates a land rush mentality among other schools.

In fact, I would not be surprised to see Clem-F$U and VPI all head to the Big 12 within days. (VPI is more dicey do to concerns in Richmond that it'd be "abandoning" a UVa that got it into the ACC.)

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While this doesn't surprise me. I find it astonishing that anyone would want to bolt because Maryland of all teams bolted. It's going to weird when we all sit down and look at this and say what was the undoing of the ACC..

Not FSU, UVA, Clemson UNC or any other good school leaving.. BUT MARYLAND.. Man let that digest.. Freaking Maryland is going to be the team that started it all.. That's wild. To me Maryland is barely above par with NcState. And a slight shoulder above the lowliest programs of B.C. Dook and Wake.

I equate this to being like Vandy running somewhere else and the SEC falling apart.

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Utter BS......there is no deal.....they may eventually make this move but there is no deal.