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Its quite funny seeing the 'academic' comments. Do you folks fill up the football stadium to watch students take math tests? LOL!!! 0

I've worked for two fortune 500 companies and the HR people in charge of recruiting bright, new employees have told me they don't care what college an applicant has graduated from....just so they have that degree.

On an interesting side note, one of my professors in college let everyone know he had came from THE Ohio State University. Yes, he wore that distinction right on his sleeve (figuratively). In one of his more serious discussions he said the cheating in athletics could not hold a candle to what went on to get research grant money. Said he could write a book as to the goings on involved with that.

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Wasn't it Bear Bryant who said, 'Next time you get 60,000 to come and watch a chemsitry experiment, you let me know?'

There are very bright people on every college campus. There are slackers. And, there are people who have absolutely no business whatsoever being there, either.

I've met folks from so-called elite academic institutions who had all the book learning you could ask for, but, they had all of the common sense that God gave a green apple. Not a recipe for lifelong success...LOL.

You know that as competitive as it is getting for grant and research money, that there are some backroom dealings, dirty pool, and, outright lying going on. So, your professor's comments are not all that shocking.

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Your comment insulted green apples everywhere.

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I should've said road apples, shouldn't I, Rev?

I, for one, wish this 'expansion' stuff was over and done with. Most of us are perfectly satisfied with where the SEC is now. If the same talk we hear was applied toward our conference then one would feel like vultures were after us...and, in fact, that is what might be happening. I know you ACC folks must feel that way and don't blame you one bit for any hostility. It has to be way past 'old', huh?

I do think Florida State will leave. Their fans are almost to the point that A&M's were. Even though the Aggie administration decided to stay as a B12 member the fanbase would not accept that. They formed a grassroots campaign to demand a secession from that conference. We saw what happened and I am beginning to see initial signs of that in Seminole country. Let 'em go somewhere else....don't want them here, either.

Hope your conference stays intact and you remain a part of it. No one wants to hear about the demise of their own organization. I can't think of anything worse for the Tar Heels than to hook up with a bunch of yankees. Thats just not in your bloodlines and you will never have that 'family' feel....never. You will always feel like an outsider if that happens. I know what I am talking about....have several relatives in Ohio. They cheer for Tennessee, on my behalf, and I root for the Buckeyes because of them. One thing amazes them. They can't get over how the SEC schools pull for each other. We do try to beat each others brains out but when it comes down to it we perceive one another as family....us against them. We want our own individual schools to excel but it is just as important for the conference to be strong, too. This is why we are proud of the SEC...we are one and the same. Its been interesting seeing the A&M fan comments after their first year. The B12 schools are for their individual school only and want all the others to lose....lots of pure hatred. About the SEC and how we pull for our conference? The Aggies said not being a member one cannot understand it. As a member you know, and feel, what it is about and you defend it. Its totally different.

My best to you and the ACC. May you be happy and prosperous.

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I, for one, wish this 'expansion' stuff was over and done with. Most of us are perfectly satisfied with where the SEC is now. If the same talk we hear was applied toward our conference then one would feel like vultures were after us...and, in fact, that is what might be happening. I know you ACC folks must feel that way and don't blame you one bit for any hostility. It has to be way past 'old', huh?

I do think Florida State will leave. Their fans are almost to the point that A&M's were. Even though the Aggie administration decided to stay as a B12 member the fanbase would not accept that. They formed a grassroots campaign to demand a secession from that conference. We saw what happened and I am beginning to see initial signs of that in Seminole country. Let 'em go somewhere else....don't want them here, either.

Hope your conference stays intact and you remain a part of it. No one wants to hear about the demise of their own organization. I can't think of anything worse for the Tar Heels than to hook up with a bunch of yankees. Thats just not in your bloodlines and you will never have that 'family' feel....never. You will always feel like an outsider if that happens. I know what I am talking about....have several relatives in Ohio. They cheer for Tennessee, on my behalf, and I root for the Buckeyes because of them. One thing amazes them. They can't get over how the SEC schools pull for each other. We do try to beat each others brains out but when it comes down to it we perceive one another as family....us against them. We want our own individual schools to excel but it is just as important for the conference to be strong, too. This is why we are proud of the SEC...we are one and the same.

My best to you and the ACC. May you be happy and prosperous.

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A large number of FSU fans got all up in arms because of an outright dishonest statement from their former BOT chairman. He ran his mouth about the ACC media contract, without knowing all of the specifics about it. Then, Jimbo Fisher threw in his .02 worth, again, without knowing anything.

Throw in some butthurt WVU trolls, add in some scared Baylor and KSU trolls, and, a campfire became a forest fire in no time flat. Funny thing is, the biggest trolls came from schools who'd be left out of any scenario of four 16-team superconferences. And, they know it.

As more positive things came to light for the league, like the Orange Bowl deal, their kind disappeared. Save for that kook DocHoliday, who hasn't the foggiest idea what is going on. Most FSU fans ignore him now.

Our best bet is for the ACC to hang together. We have a good conference. What we need is for our teams to win some of those big OOC games, and, our BCS bowls. We will get paid when that occurs.

"THE" University of the People is unique that no matter where we go or how much money we make we will still stand out as a high value college in both sports and academics. We already have in place administrators who are managing their respective departments in a way that profits the University system. The value of the University puts us in a position to not need to "run for the money" or prestige that the B1G is offering. So, that puts us in the position that if the ACC implodes we can and in my opinion will move to the SEC where our fans and donors will be more familiar and comfortable. If the PTB decide to move to the B1G they eventually will be sorry they did so. The benefit to align with slightly more academic universities(B1G), is minimal compared to the rivalry and close proximity to the SEC. They need to think this through carefully and make the right decision. SEC is the answer!

Baseball? Someone mentioned baseball in a previous post.....SEC baseball even better than SEC football.

Collegiate Baseball Preseason Poll:

#1 Arkansas
#3 Vanderbilt
#4 LSU
#7 South Carolina
#8 Kentucky
#13 Mississippi State
#24 Florida
#25 Ole Miss
#26 Texas A&M
#29 Georgia

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"THE" University of the People is unique that no matter where we go or how much money we make we will still stand out as a high value college in both sports and academics. We already have in place administrators who are managing their respective departments in a way that profits the University system. The value of the University puts us in a position to not need to "run for the money" or prestige that the B1G is offering. So, that puts us in the position that if the ACC implodes we can and in my opinion will move to the SEC where our fans and donors will be more familiar and comfortable. If the PTB decide to move to the B1G they eventually will be sorry they did so. The benefit to align with slightly more academic universities(B1G), is minimal compared to the rivalry and close proximity to the SEC. They need to think this through carefully and make the right decision. SEC is the answer!

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deandisciple, I agree with you.

But do the decision makers agree? If any universities did leave the ACC for the BIG10, like UVA and/or GT, would that make a BIG10 invite more palatable? Will the academic types that run the university put their academic pride to the side and make athletic association decisions based on athletics? Will big-time donors revolt against a BIG10 move? Will Tar Heel decision makers care if the Wolfpack goes right by UNC in recruiting and popularity by allowing NCST to take UNC's seat at the SEC's table?

IMO you need to brace yourself for membership in the BIG10.

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"THE" University of the People is unique that no matter where we go or how much money we make we will still stand out as a high value college in both sports and academics. We already have in place administrators who are managing their respective departments in a way that profits the University system. The value of the University puts us in a position to not need to "run for the money" or prestige that the B1G is offering. So, that puts us in the position that if the ACC implodes we can and in my opinion will move to the SEC where our fans and donors will be more familiar and comfortable. If the PTB decide to move to the B1G they eventually will be sorry they did so. The benefit to align with slightly more academic universities(B1G), is minimal compared to the rivalry and close proximity to the SEC. They need to think this through carefully and make the right decision. SEC is the answer!

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deandisciple, I agree with you.

But do the decision makers agree? If any universities did leave the ACC for the BIG10, like UVA and/or GT, would that make a BIG10 invite more palatable? Will the academic types that run the university put their academic pride to the side and make athletic association decisions based on athletics? Will big-time donors revolt against a BIG10 move? Will Tar Heel decision makers care if the Wolfpack goes right by UNC in recruiting and popularity by allowing NCST to take UNC's seat at the SEC's table?

IMO you need to brace yourself for membership in the BIG10.

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IMHO, the combo to be looked at is UNC-UVA. They are our oldest rivals. Neither will go anywhere without the other.

The academic types have to accept one thing...what big money donors say WILL matter. If they favor the SEC, we will go to the SEC. And, vice-versa.

There certainly are University PTBs that don't care about athletics, and, would bypass an SEC offer, which hands NCSU their dream spot. They could not care less if NCSU bypassed UNC athletically.

But, you can certainly believe that some of the money people DO care. And, an opportunity to hurt and embarass State, after all of their fanbase's BS the past 2+ years, will have an impact on their decision, in my view.

We have State by the throat, and, they know it. Nobody wants them, and, they know it. That drives them absolutely bat guano crazy.

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IMHO, the combo to be looked at is UNC-UVA. They are our oldest rivals. Neither will go anywhere without the other.


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I heard that at one time, have heard rumors to the contrary since. Who knows anymore. UVa and UNC teaming together makes the most sense to me and would make the most sense to the academics (although dook would be up there too). From a football perspective it makes the most sense to continue the oldest rivalry in the south, from a basketball perspective dook makes more sense (although the rivalry could be maintained in a non-conference schedule... I suppose that UVa could in football as well).

Ultimately, those are the only 2 I really care about. The rest of the league has pissed me off over the last few years (particularly state, VPI, wake and GT)... although still don't mind Clemson and FSU and would miss playing them. (I'm indifferent towards BC and that is just never going to be a great rivalry... like most of the BIG)

my outside opine is at the end of the day, after all the smoke clears & dust settles, that the UNC administration will not place UNC in a MidWest/NorthEast league over a Southern one....

I also think it's UNC/Duke who ends up in the SEC.

UVa/GaTech to the B1G. Big12 then grabs some leftovers, who cares....

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IMHO, the combo to be looked at is UNC-UVA. They are our oldest rivals. Neither will go anywhere without the other.


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I heard that at one time, have heard rumors to the contrary since. Who knows anymore. UVa and UNC teaming together makes the most sense to me and would make the most sense to the academics (although dook would be up there too). From a football perspective it makes the most sense to continue the oldest rivalry in the south, from a basketball perspective dook makes more sense (although the rivalry could be maintained in a non-conference schedule... I suppose that UVa could in football as well).

Ultimately, those are the only 2 I really care about. The rest of the league has pissed me off over the last few years (particularly state, VPI, wake and GT)... although still don't mind Clemson and FSU and would miss playing them. (I'm indifferent towards BC and that is just never going to be a great rivalry... like most of the BIG)

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Agree with Prof, I used to think that UNC-UVa were joined at the hip.

I think that time has passed, with UNC trying to change UVa's course or go on without them.

Screw UVA, we go on to the SEC with Dook.

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I can verify some of Winchesters info is from our Insiders board. Rock solid source who told us Urban to tOSU months before it happened and Rutgers and Maryland to the BIG well over a year ago to name a very few. The landscape is changing in College football and some things will be hard to take. For anybody to think that any school in the ACC to not have back up plans for when this shakes out then I dont know what to say. Dont forget that The once fired and rehired president from Virginia came from Michigan and graduated from Michigan state. I also read about a month ago that the powers to be at UNC want in and want in badly but there is some work to be done with Alumni donors.

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Oh, I agree totally. The ACC schools with options will for sure have backup plans in place, should it all go sideways. They'd be crazy to not have contingencies.

Honestly, I was unaware of the UVA president having a B10 pedigree. He won't be able to ramrod through a move to the B10 at UVA, like UMD's president and AD did there.

I am fairly certain that many PTBs at Carolina want Big 10 membership. IMHO, it will come down to what the big money donors say and want. Truthfully, I have no clue whatsover about where they prefer. The one I personally know are pro-SEC, but, thats just a scant few. And, they're not power player types.

There are others here who have a far, far better idea of that than I do.

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Actually its a she. Theresa Sullivan. I dont spread insider info from our board but some huge nuggets being dropped over there. Winchester will probably fill you in but I will say FSU is doing everything to convince the BIG that they are a academic sleeping giant.

I will always pull for my Tar Heels no matter what, but will never buy in to being in the B1G. I feel like most people who are Tar Heel fans will agree, including the ones with the cash to donate. The PTB'ers better be thinking about the people that have the cash to donate and buy tickets. ACC first, SEC second, B1G never.


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"THE" University of the People is unique that no matter where we go or how much money we make we will still stand out as a high value college in both sports and academics. We already have in place administrators who are managing their respective departments in a way that profits the University system. The value of the University puts us in a position to not need to "run for the money" or prestige that the B1G is offering. So, that puts us in the position that if the ACC implodes we can and in my opinion will move to the SEC where our fans and donors will be more familiar and comfortable. If the PTB decide to move to the B1G they eventually will be sorry they did so. The benefit to align with slightly more academic universities(B1G), is minimal compared to the rivalry and close proximity to the SEC. They need to think this through carefully and make the right decision. SEC is the answer!

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deandisciple, I agree with you.

But do the decision makers agree? If any universities did leave the ACC for the BIG10, like UVA and/or GT, would that make a BIG10 invite more palatable? Will the academic types that run the university put their academic pride to the side and make athletic association decisions based on athletics? Will big-time donors revolt against a BIG10 move? Will Tar Heel decision makers care if the Wolfpack goes right by UNC in recruiting and popularity by allowing NCST to take UNC's seat at the SEC's table?

IMO you need to brace yourself for membership in the BIG10.

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IMHO, the combo to be looked at is UNC-UVA. They are our oldest rivals. Neither will go anywhere without the other.


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I heard that at one time, have heard rumors to the contrary since. Who knows anymore. UVa and UNC teaming together makes the most sense to me and would make the most sense to the academics (although dook would be up there too). From a football perspective it makes the most sense to continue the oldest rivalry in the south, from a basketball perspective dook makes more sense (although the rivalry could be maintained in a non-conference schedule... I suppose that UVa could in football as well).

Ultimately, those are the only 2 I really care about. The rest of the league has pissed me off over the last few years (particularly state, VPI, wake and GT)... although still don't mind Clemson and FSU and would miss playing them. (I'm indifferent towards BC and that is just never going to be a great rivalry... like most of the BIG)

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I would not shed a solitary tear if Duke got left out of the big boy leagues. Not one. I feel about them the exact same way I do about State. Screw 'em both.

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I can verify some of Winchesters info is from our Insiders board. Rock solid source who told us Urban to tOSU months before it happened and Rutgers and Maryland to the BIG well over a year ago to name a very few. The landscape is changing in College football and some things will be hard to take. For anybody to think that any school in the ACC to not have back up plans for when this shakes out then I dont know what to say. Dont forget that The once fired and rehired president from Virginia came from Michigan and graduated from Michigan state. I also read about a month ago that the powers to be at UNC want in and want in badly but there is some work to be done with Alumni donors.

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Oh, I agree totally. The ACC schools with options will for sure have backup plans in place, should it all go sideways. They'd be crazy to not have contingencies.

Honestly, I was unaware of the UVA president having a B10 pedigree. He won't be able to ramrod through a move to the B10 at UVA, like UMD's president and AD did there.

I am fairly certain that many PTBs at Carolina want Big 10 membership. IMHO, it will come down to what the big money donors say and want. Truthfully, I have no clue whatsover about where they prefer. The one I personally know are pro-SEC, but, thats just a scant few. And, they're not power player types.

There are others here who have a far, far better idea of that than I do.

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Actually its a she. Theresa Sullivan. I dont spread insider info from our board but some huge nuggets being dropped over there. Winchester will probably fill you in but I will say FSU is doing everything to convince the BIG that they are a academic sleeping giant.

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Thats right, UVA's president is a she. Damn, I am losing it...LOL.

Winchester needs to come clean with what insider info he has, and, stop being so cryptic.

You Buckeye fans, I declare. Y'all talk funny, and, you keep secrets. Damn it. :D

UNC should not care who goes with them

Duke, UVa, VaTech, whoever, whatever....

they themselves are the cherry & with the SEC & a real commitment to football, becomes another Florida & a real pillar for the SEC (although a bit in reverse, it'd be hard to ever break the basketball lean without multiple NC's).

I personally, from the outside, don't view UNC with Duke or UVa, I view them as a great institution, strong brand & almost shake my head that the SEC move hasn't happened yet it's such a no brainer. I can't believe it'd take this long.

I wouldn't care about Duke, UVa or whoever else one bit, in the SEC you'll get Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia & Florida....

Kentucky/Tennessee/SouthCarolina/Georgia/Florida or Duke/NCState/WakeForest/Virginia

tough call...

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I can verify some of Winchesters info is from our Insiders board. Rock solid source who told us Urban to tOSU months before it happened and Rutgers and Maryland to the BIG well over a year ago to name a very few. The landscape is changing in College football and some things will be hard to take. For anybody to think that any school in the ACC to not have back up plans for when this shakes out then I dont know what to say. Dont forget that The once fired and rehired president from Virginia came from Michigan and graduated from Michigan state. I also read about a month ago that the powers to be at UNC want in and want in badly but there is some work to be done with Alumni donors.

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Oh, I agree totally. The ACC schools with options will for sure have backup plans in place, should it all go sideways. They'd be crazy to not have contingencies.

Honestly, I was unaware of the UVA president having a B10 pedigree. He won't be able to ramrod through a move to the B10 at UVA, like UMD's president and AD did there.

I am fairly certain that many PTBs at Carolina want Big 10 membership. IMHO, it will come down to what the big money donors say and want. Truthfully, I have no clue whatsover about where they prefer. The one I personally know are pro-SEC, but, thats just a scant few. And, they're not power player types.

There are others here who have a far, far better idea of that than I do.

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Actually its a she. Theresa Sullivan. I dont spread insider info from our board but some huge nuggets being dropped over there. Winchester will probably fill you in but I will say FSU is doing everything to convince the BIG that they are a academic sleeping giant.

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Thats right, UVA's president is a she. Damn, I am losing it...LOL.

Winchester needs to come clean with what insider info he has, and, stop being so cryptic.

You Buckeye fans, I declare. Y'all talk funny, and, you keep secrets. Damn it. :D

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Been in NC for 13 years. lol. My wife is a native Carolina girl. Love my Buckeyes though.

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If the B1G is being picky about inviting FSU due to academics, there is no chance in hell ok st is getting in unless T Boone Pickens offers Delany done kind of massive bribe.

I wouldn't negate the UVA/UNC connection just yet. For one, I have an extremely difficult time of seeing the PTB at Duke willingly going to the SEC. Think about that for a second. Duke culturally is about the most northern-oriented school in the entire South. Much of their alumni base is in the Northeast and their faculty and administration fancy themselves as semi-Ivy League.

Honestly, I cannot see a school like Duke wanting to put forth the resources needed to be competitive in the SEC. They have barely been competitive in the ACC.

A move to the SEC moves Duke away from its Northeastern cultural base in a big way.

There is no way that Duke University will commit to becoming competitive in football in the SEC. No way, no how.

UVA is the only partner for UNC that makes sense from UNC's perspective. They are the sole partner that may make a move to the SEC palatable for the PTB at UNC. Likewise, UNC is UVA's sole partner that would make an SEC move palatable for them. UVA has the money, the facilities, and I believe the will to be competitive at football. UVA and UNC together to the SEC upgrades the SEC's academic profile while adding two large Southern states and good, but not great, football programs that have POTENTIAL.

Of all of the ACC schools south of Maryland, Duke is the worst cultural fit for the SEC in too many ways to count.

I can see the SEC perhaps coveting Duke for their brand name and their academics. But I cannot see Duke willingly moving to the SEC.

If any ACC schools are going to the B1G, I can see GT and Duke going there.

Answer me this question - who on this board can honestly say that they believe that Duke University has the will to make the commitment to big time football necessary to simply be competitive in the SEC?

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You hope that because you don't think Duke would go with UNC to the SEC, meaning UNC is less likely to go. But why wouldn't UVa go to the Big Ten? UVa more and more associates with DC. A move to the SEC would be a move away, while a move to the Big Ten is a move toward it.

I don't think UVa--or UNC for that matter--are as (deep) Southern as many people on this board would like to believe.

No, I actually don't believe that Duke will go to the SEC with UNC or anybody else.

I honestly don't know what UNC's administration will do here. I really don't. But I think that UNC would be much more likely to go to the SEC in tandem with UVA than with any other school.

It is anecdotal to be sure, but in perusing UNC's boards and even UVA's boards, it does not appear that the fanbases of either school are excited about the B1G. Most seem to have expressed a preference for the SEC if the choice is between the two. Does that mean anything? I don't know.

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You hope that because you don't think Duke would go with UNC to the SEC, meaning UNC is less likely to go. But why wouldn't UVa go to the Big Ten? UVa more and more associates with DC. A move to the SEC would be a move away, while a move to the Big Ten is a move toward it.

I don't think UVa--or UNC for that matter--are as (deep) Southern as many people on this board would like to believe.

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No, I actually don't believe that Duke will go to the SEC with UNC or anybody else.

I honestly don't know what UNC's administration will do here. I really don't. But I think that UNC would be much more likely to go to the SEC in tandem with UVA than with any other school.

It is anecdotal to be sure, but in perusing UNC's boards and even UVA's boards, it does not appear that the fanbases of either school are excited about the B1G. Most seem to have expressed a preference for the SEC if the choice is between the two. Does that mean anything? I don't know.

Both schools are probably less Southern than they used to be. So what? They are both still more Southern than any school in the B1G.

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I think all eyes are on UVa right now. If UVa goes to the Big Ten with another Southern school like Ga Tech, that puts UNC in the position of having to make a tough decision--especially if both the SEC and Big Ten are willing to take a UNC-Duke package. The Big Ten would have 5 schools below the Mason-Dixon line (and possibly 6 if FSU is added as #19 like the Ohio State fans are saying).

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I wouldn't negate the UVA/UNC connection just yet. For one, I have an extremely difficult time of seeing the PTB at Duke willingly going to the SEC. Think about that for a second. Duke culturally is about the most northern-oriented school in the entire South. Much of their alumni base is in the Northeast and their faculty and administration fancy themselves as semi-Ivy League.

Honestly, I cannot see a school like Duke wanting to put forth the resources needed to be competitive in the SEC. They have barely been competitive in the ACC.

A move to the SEC moves Duke away from its Northeastern cultural base in a big way.

There is no way that Duke University will commit to becoming competitive in football in the SEC. No way, no how.

UVA is the only partner for UNC that makes sense from UNC's perspective. They are the sole partner that may make a move to the SEC palatable for the PTB at UNC. Likewise, UNC is UVA's sole partner that would make an SEC move palatable for them. UVA has the money, the facilities, and I believe the will to be competitive at football. UVA and UNC together to the SEC upgrades the SEC's academic profile while adding two large Southern states and good, but not great, football programs that have POTENTIAL.

Of all of the ACC schools south of Maryland, Duke is the worst cultural fit for the SEC in too many ways to count.

I can see the SEC perhaps coveting Duke for their brand name and their academics. But I cannot see Duke willingly moving to the SEC.

If any ACC schools are going to the B1G, I can see GT and Duke going there.

Answer me this question - who on this board can honestly say that they believe that Duke University has the will to make the commitment to big time football necessary to simply be competitive in the SEC?

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I wouldn't negate the UVA/UNC connection just yet. For one, I have an extremely difficult time of seeing the PTB at Duke willingly going to the SEC. Think about that for a second. Duke culturally is about the most northern-oriented school in the entire South. Much of their alumni base is in the Northeast and their faculty and administration fancy themselves as semi-Ivy League.

Honestly, I cannot see a school like Duke wanting to put forth the resources needed to be competitive in the SEC. They have barely been competitive in the ACC.

A move to the SEC moves Duke away from its Northeastern cultural base in a big way.

There is no way that Duke University will commit to becoming competitive in football in the SEC. No way, no how.

UVA is the only partner for UNC that makes sense from UNC's perspective. They are the sole partner that may make a move to the SEC palatable for the PTB at UNC. Likewise, UNC is UVA's sole partner that would make an SEC move palatable for them. UVA has the money, the facilities, and I believe the will to be competitive at football. UVA and UNC together to the SEC upgrades the SEC's academic profile while adding two large Southern states and good, but not great, football programs that have POTENTIAL.

Of all of the ACC schools south of Maryland, Duke is the worst cultural fit for the SEC in too many ways to count.

I can see the SEC perhaps coveting Duke for their brand name and their academics. But I cannot see Duke willingly moving to the SEC.

If any ACC schools are going to the B1G, I can see GT and Duke going there.

Answer me this question - who on this board can honestly say that they believe that Duke University has the will to make the commitment to big time football necessary to simply be competitive in the SEC?

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--- phatassjungle wrote:

I can verify some of Winchesters info is from our Insiders board. Rock solid source who told us Urban to tOSU months before it happened and Rutgers and Maryland to the BIG well over a year ago to name a very few. The landscape is changing in College football and some things will be hard to take. For anybody to think that any school in the ACC to not have back up plans for when this shakes out then I dont know what to say. Dont forget that The once fired and rehired president from Virginia came from Michigan and graduated from Michigan state. I also read about a month ago that the powers to be at UNC want in and want in badly but there is some work to be done with Alumni donors.

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Oh, I agree totally. The ACC schools with options will for sure have backup plans in place, should it all go sideways. They'd be crazy to not have contingencies.

Honestly, I was unaware of the UVA president having a B10 pedigree. He won't be able to ramrod through a move to the B10 at UVA, like UMD's president and AD did there.

I am fairly certain that many PTBs at Carolina want Big 10 membership. IMHO, it will come down to what the big money donors say and want. Truthfully, I have no clue whatsover about where they prefer. The one I personally know are pro-SEC, but, thats just a scant few. And, they're not power player types.

There are others here who have a far, far better idea of that than I do.

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Actually its a she. Theresa Sullivan. I dont spread insider info from our board but some huge nuggets being dropped over there. Winchester will probably fill you in but I will say FSU is doing everything to convince the BIG that they are a academic sleeping giant.

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Thats right, UVA's president is a she. Damn, I am losing it...LOL.

Winchester needs to come clean with what insider info he has, and, stop being so cryptic.

You Buckeye fans, I declare. Y'all talk funny, and, you keep secrets. Damn it. :D

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Been in NC for 13 years. lol. My wife is a native Carolina girl. Love my Buckeyes though.

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I hope you know I was just picking. No offense intended. :)

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--- Champ0024 wrote:

The Big10 is looking at Texas Ok Ok state and Kansas.

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If the B1G is being picky about inviting FSU due to academics, there is no chance in hell ok st is getting in unless T Boone Pickens offers Delany done kind of massive bribe.

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Oklahoma State is not even in the same universe as Florida State, academically speaking. Without looking it up, I'd wager FSU is ranked at least 30 spots ahead of them, if not more.

If Nebraska is Big 10 material, then any team in the ACC is, too.

UNC to the SEC, Duke to big 10, and State to big 12 would be a bonanza for college football fans in the Triangle.

Every year we'd get to see Texas, Florida, and Michigan come here. That would be my hope.

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--- msjaskon wrote:

UNC to the SEC, Duke to big 10, and State to big 12 would be a bonanza for college football fans in the Triangle.

Every year we'd get to see Texas, Florida, and Michigan come here. That would be my hope.

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--- Carolina2009 wrote:

I honestly think that UNC, Duke, and UVa want to stick together (tradition, geography, academics, non-revenue sports). Right now, it sounds like only the ACC and the Big Ten are offering that.

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I have not read that anywhere on the internet, or, heard any such thing in the state or national media.

Why some folks think UNC's future is tied to remaining with Duke, I don't know. UNC has WAY more in common with UVA, and, they make a better pick to partner with.

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--- msjaskon wrote:

UNC to the SEC, Duke to big 10, and State to big 12 would be a bonanza for college football fans in the Triangle.

Every year we'd get to see Texas, Florida, and Michigan come here. That would be my hope.

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--- BamainCarolina wrote:

No, I actually don't believe that Duke will go to the SEC with UNC or anybody else.

I honestly don't know what UNC's administration will do here. I really don't. But I think that UNC would be much more likely to go to the SEC in tandem with UVA than with any other school.

It is anecdotal to be sure, but in perusing UNC's boards and even UVA's boards, it does not appear that the fanbases of either school are excited about the B1G. Most seem to have expressed a preference for the SEC if the choice is between the two. Does that mean anything? I don't know.

Both schools are probably less Southern than they used to be. So what? They are both still more Southern than any school in the B1G.


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I believe that if it ever comes to realignment, UNC-UVA will stick together.

But, it won't come to that. The ACC is not going anywhere.

& it's this mentality that confuses me

not saying it's your's personally but who cares who comes with UNC

UNC should be looking at the SEC & licking their chops, & vice versa

if they're using linking themselves to Duke or UVa at all then they're short selling themselves & the base

if the SEC asks, "who would you like & why", then yes, by all means but who UNC would come with should have no bearing. UNC should say to the SEC, "bring in whoever else you think but we want you, bottom line".

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I honestly think that UNC, Duke, and UVa want to stick together (tradition, geography, academics, non-revenue sports). Right now, it sounds like only the ACC and the Big Ten are offering that.



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--- BamainCarolina wrote:

If any ACC schools are going to the B1G, I can see GT and Duke going there.

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You hope that because you don't think Duke would go with UNC to the SEC, meaning UNC is less likely to go. But why wouldn't UVa go to the Big Ten? UVa more and more associates with DC. A move to the SEC would be a move away, while a move to the Big Ten is a move toward it.

I don't think UVa--or UNC for that matter--are as (deep) Southern as many people on this board would like to believe.

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--- Carolina2009 wrote:

I honestly think that UNC, Duke, and UVa want to stick together (tradition, geography, academics, non-revenue sports). Right now, it sounds like only the ACC and the Big Ten are offering that.


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--- BamainCarolina wrote:

If any ACC schools are going to the B1G, I can see GT and Duke going there.

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You hope that because you don't think Duke would go with UNC to the SEC, meaning UNC is less likely to go. But why wouldn't UVa go to the Big Ten? UVa more and more associates with DC. A move to the SEC would be a move away, while a move to the Big Ten is a move toward it.

I don't think UVa--or UNC for that matter--are as (deep) Southern as many people on this board would like to believe.

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& it's this mentality that confuses me

not saying it's your's personally but who cares who comes with UNC

UNC should be looking at the SEC & licking their chops, & vice versa

if they're using linking themselves to Duke or UVa at all then they're short selling themselves & the base

if the SEC asks, "who would you like & why", then yes, by all means but who UNC would come with should have no bearing. UNC should say to the SEC, "bring in whoever else you think but we want you, bottom line".

UNC in the SEC joins South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee etc etc...

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The SEC should care who comes with UNC. Who else can the league get that brings what UVA can? One team: Texas. And, they'd be blocked from joining by A&M.

If the ACC goes away (and I do not think that it is), I'd just as soon not be in a league with the rest of the NC-based schools anymore. UNC should leave them behind to fend for themselves. They all need us way more than we need them.

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--- rock06 wrote:

& it's this mentality that confuses me

not saying it's your's personally but who cares who comes with UNC

UNC should be looking at the SEC & licking their chops, & vice versa

if they're using linking themselves to Duke or UVa at all then they're short selling themselves & the base

if the SEC asks, "who would you like & why", then yes, by all means but who UNC would come with should have no bearing. UNC should say to the SEC, "bring in whoever else you think but we want you, bottom line".

UNC in the SEC joins South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee etc etc...

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rock06, I absolutely guarantee you that the SEC would JUMP at the opportunity to add UNC and UVA, but the key is UNC. If UNC is not part of the equation, the SEC will take VT and NCST.

UNC is the crown jewel of the ACC. The SEC desperately wants into the Virginia and North Carolina markets. Additionally the SEC wants to improve it's academic profile and the UVA/UNC combo would do that better than any other combo.

The problem IMO is that both universities want the BIG10. The BIG10 is a close academic match for the ACC, whereas the SEC is clearly lagging in that category despite recent improvements.

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--- phatassjungle wrote:

I can verify some of Winchesters info is from our Insiders board. Rock solid source who told us Urban to tOSU months before it happened and Rutgers and Maryland to the BIG well over a year ago to name a very few. The landscape is changing in College football and some things will be hard to take. For anybody to think that any school in the ACC to not have back up plans for when this shakes out then I dont know what to say. Dont forget that The once fired and rehired president from Virginia came from Michigan and graduated from Michigan state. I also read about a month ago that the powers to be at UNC want in and want in badly but there is some work to be done with Alumni donors.

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Oh, I agree totally. The ACC schools with options will for sure have backup plans in place, should it all go sideways. They'd be crazy to not have contingencies.

Honestly, I was unaware of the UVA president having a B10 pedigree. He won't be able to ramrod through a move to the B10 at UVA, like UMD's president and AD did there.

I am fairly certain that many PTBs at Carolina want Big 10 membership. IMHO, it will come down to what the big money donors say and want. Truthfully, I have no clue whatsover about where they prefer. The one I personally know are pro-SEC, but, thats just a scant few. And, they're not power player types.

There are others here who have a far, far better idea of that than I do.

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Actually its a she. Theresa Sullivan. I dont spread insider info from our board but some huge nuggets being dropped over there. Winchester will probably fill you in but I will say FSU is doing everything to convince the BIG that they are a academic sleeping giant.

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Thats right, UVA's president is a she. Damn, I am losing it...LOL.

Winchester needs to come clean with what insider info he has, and, stop being so cryptic.

You Buckeye fans, I declare. Y'all talk funny, and, you keep secrets. Damn it. :D

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Been in NC for 13 years. lol. My wife is a native Carolina girl. Love my Buckeyes though.

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90% of tOSU Insider stuff that was posted today I have been stating on this board for weeks. Nothing really new.

Our Insider has finally come around to saying FSU is in play.

He also said UNC, UVA, GT to the B1G with VT & NC State to the SEC. Which is nothing new to report. He never stated why though. My contact at tOSU told me that both state legislatures, NC & VA, will not allow schools to split unless they find a viable home. B1G will not take VT or NC State. SEC wants in both states but will not take all 4 schools. So basically, the two conferences have comprised in how they both will gain entrance into these two new states.

With all the info floating around right now, I would say the 6 expansion candidates are UVA, UNC, GT, FSU, ND, and BC. I would still say Texas will be approached for the #20 spot again, but will probably say 'no'. Duke still has a fighting chance.

Oh, tOSU Insider did mention ND has come to realize a conference is in its future and its probably the B1G.

Next several weeks will be interesting.

I agree with everything everyone says about who the SEC wants

What I'm saying is if I'm a Heel I'm saying, "just give me the SEC"

Any Heel who cares about Duke, UVa, the ACC, you're better than that

But this coming from someone at A&M who was saying, "screw Baylor, Texas, TxTech & the Big12" just a year & a half ago....

At the same time I'm not factoring in anyone who's put their heart into the ACC the way I have with the SEC now, I never had my heart in the Big12 so it was easy.

I'd take UNC/UVa, UNC/Duke or UNC/VaTech in a heartbeat, as long as UNC is in there

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

90% of tOSU Insider stuff that was posted today I have been stating on this board for weeks. Nothing really new.

Our Insider has finally come around to saying FSU is in play.

He also said UNC, UVA, GT to the B1G with VT & NC State to the SEC. Which is nothing new to report. He never stated why though. My contact at tOSU told me that both state legislatures, NC & VA, will not allow schools to split unless they find a viable home. B1G will not take VT or NC State. SEC wants in both states but will not take all 4 schools. So basically, the two conferences have comprised in how they both will gain entrance into these two new states.

With all the info floating around right now, I would say the 6 expansion candidates are UVA, UNC, GT, FSU, ND, and BC. I would still say Texas will be approached for the #20 spot again, but will probably say 'no'. Duke still has a fighting chance.

Oh, tOSU Insider did mention ND has come to realize a conference is in its future and its probably the B1G.

Next several weeks will be interesting.

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I can't imagine the Big Ten taking BC unless it was necessary to convince Notre Dame. The conference would also have to waive the contiguous state bylaw.

If Duke didn't go to the Big Ten, though, would the SEC pass over State for Duke? Wouldn't that be something...

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--- rock06 wrote:

& it's this mentality that confuses me

not saying it's your's personally but who cares who comes with UNC

UNC should be looking at the SEC & licking their chops, & vice versa

if they're using linking themselves to Duke or UVa at all then they're short selling themselves & the base

if the SEC asks, "who would you like & why", then yes, by all means but who UNC would come with should have no bearing. UNC should say to the SEC, "bring in whoever else you think but we want you, bottom line".

UNC in the SEC joins South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee etc etc...

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rock06, I absolutely guarantee you that the SEC would JUMP at the opportunity to add UNC and UVA, but the key is UNC. If UNC is not part of the equation, the SEC will take VT and NCST.

UNC is the crown jewel of the ACC. The SEC desperately wants into the Virginia and North Carolina markets. Additionally the SEC wants to improve it's academic profile and the UVA/UNC combo would do that better than any other combo.

The problem IMO is that both universities want the BIG10. The BIG10 is a close academic match for the ACC, whereas the SEC is clearly lagging in that category despite recent improvements.

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Respectfully, Dirk, I have not read anything that definitively backs up your assertion that UNC-UVA WANT the B10.

Do you happen to have a link showing what you say is true?