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RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:31 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
As a UNC alum, who is from Durham, NC, I would be extremely disappointed in a move to any conference other than the SEC.
I'm not going to the #&*@%%^ midwest to watch UNC play anything. big 10/12/14/whatever can KMA. Name one thing moving to the big # does for us, that the SEC doesn't do better?
The only thing you can point to is $. The SEC could provide plenty of that (though certainly less as things stand right now). Guess what? I don't give a rip how much our athletic department makes as long as they are able to break even and field a competitive team! I care about things like matchups, games, and players (you know, the point of all this). All three of those are superior in the SEC, and I promise we'd more than break even.
MinkHeel earlier threw out the AAU rankings. The ACC now has 5 AAU schools (md is gone, remember?), the SEC 4. If UNC & UVA went to the SEC, the SEC would have more AAU teams (6) than the ACC currently does (5). So toss that out. Yes, the Big 10 is better academically but who the Eff cares?? SEC is "good enough" and getting better, and we won't lose our reputation just by joining.
All of this is useless prognostication, anyway, since the ACC isn't going to die. All this chatter is about having something to talk about.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:33 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
+1. Vomit is the first thing that came to my mind.
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I want to vomit at the thought of UNC to B1G and the Peckers to SEC.
Makes winners out of losers.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:34 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Actually based on a lot of reports the new SEC network coming in 2014 is expected to pay the SEC teams more than any other conference including the B12G. Just estimates right now of course but the SEC plays the best football and they know what they are doing when it comes to payouts.
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As a UNC alum, who is from Durham, NC, I would be extremely disappointed in a move to any conference other than the SEC.
I'm not going to the #&*@%%^ midwest to watch UNC play anything. big 10/12/14/whatever can KMA. Name one thing moving to the big # does for us, that the SEC doesn't do better?
The only thing you can point to is $. The SEC could provide plenty of that (though certainly less as things stand right now). Guess what? I don't give a rip how much our athletic department makes as long as they are able to break even and field a competitive team! I care about things like matchups, games, and players (you know, the point of all this). All three of those are superior in the SEC, and I promise we'd more than break even.
MinkHeel earlier threw out the AAU rankings. The ACC now has 5 AAU schools (md is gone, remember?), the SEC 4. If UNC & UVA went to the SEC, the SEC would have more AAU teams (6) than the ACC currently does (5). So toss that out. Yes, the Big 10 is better academically but who the Eff cares?? SEC is "good enough" and getting better, and we won't lose our reputation just by joining.
All of this is useless prognostication, anyway, since the ACC isn't going to die. All this chatter is about having something to talk about.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:37 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
UNC is a Southern school and has more similarities with the SEC than B1G.
Rust Belt vs Growth in the South.
Travel costs much less with SEC.
Easier ability to 'own' VA/NC recruiting with SEC (nothing better than a native Tar Heel excelling).
Much better fan support against SEC opponents (who wants a fall/winter trip to Purdue/Minnesota/Iowa/Rutgers).
I prefer the ACC remains together (ND full-time, PSU, UCONN, Louisville).
However, I hope the 'Academics' don't force the B1G on us.
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It could seriously lead to the death of Carolina football and wouldn't bode all to well for other sports either. NCST could eventually surpass us in the athletic department if we choose to go to a mid west conference that doesn't appeal to any of the states we recruit in. Pipelines in SC, Florida, Georgia, etc would become smaller and nonexistent over time. How people can't see this, is down right amazing to me.
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Not to mention, if we decided on the Big 10 and the SEC fought back by taking ncst, can you imagine the recruiting advantage for ncst?
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Posted: 11/21/2012 9:04 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
While it may be true that something off the record has occurred, I highly doubt that official contact has been made. The B1G is not going to subject themselves to a possible lawsuit. Contact would have to be initiated by the schools themselves.
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If the B1G has indeed reached out to UNC who actually makes the call to stay or go? There is no real chancellor. Does it come down to the trustees at that point?
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Posted: 11/21/2012 9:05 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
I'm sick of all this conference crap. Sick of it. Want some stability. Losing geographical rivals and ties is going to cost college athletics.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 9:32 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Spot on - ramble and all
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A lot of it is about academic culture NOT social culture. The SEC has a total of FOUR schools that are members of the American Association of Universities (which consists of 62 public and private research universities in the United States and Canada and which is an invitation-only group based on the high quality of programs of academic research and scholarship and undergraduate, graduate, and professional education in a number of fields, as well as general recognition that a university is outstanding by reason of the excellence of its research and education programs) -- the four SEC schools are Vandy, Florida, Texas A&M and Mizzou. EVERY member of the Big Ten (except Nebraska) is a member of the AAU (including UMd and Rutgers). In the ACC, UNC, Duke, GT, UVa, UMd and Pitt are all members of the AAU. So a UNC/UVa combo, or UNC/Duke/UVa/GT package would be well received in the BIG TEN.
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If its only about academic culture, then, I think you do a bit of a disservice to Carolina fans who happen to not be alumni of the University. While they may not have the intimate ties to Carolina that a grad might, the emotional attachment is there, nonetheless.
The social part of the equation matters to them. Its as much about the atmosphere in BKS or the Smith Center as it is anything else.
What they feel and think should count for something.
PS...sorry if this rambles a bit. I am trying, and, probably failing at, trying to multitask. :D
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Posted: 11/21/2012 9:45 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Its more likely IF we moved (I think we stay in ACC) that it would be Big Ten, not the SEC.
Our recent NCAA infractions make it more likely we will try to avoid the bad rep of SEC and favor the academic nature of Big Ten.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 10:26 AM
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I want to vomit at the thought of UNC to B1G and the Peckers to SEC.
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I agree 100%
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Posted: 11/21/2012 10:26 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
I'm tired of the academic argument against us moving to the SEC. How has Vanderbilt been hurt academically by being a part of that conference?
This UNC to the SEC argument is about like Democrats versus Republicans. I've spoken to some highly intelligent alumni, and nostalgia trumps logic for them. They think we are a basketball school and will never leave the ACC even if FSU, Clemson, GT, and VT depart.
Don't y'all realize what's gonna happen with NCSU athletics when they get an SEC invite and we don't?
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:17 AM
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I'm tired of the academic argument against us moving to the SEC. How has Vanderbilt been hurt academically by being a part of that conference?
This UNC to the SEC argument is about like Democrats versus Republicans. I've spoken to some highly intelligent alumni, and nostalgia trumps logic for them. They think we are a basketball school and will never leave the ACC even if FSU, Clemson, GT, and VT depart.
Don't y'all realize what's gonna happen with NCSU athletics when they get an SEC invite and we don't?
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See SCar for a close parallel. Similar academic profile to NCSU and delusional fan base. It took them 40 years as an independent/SEC team to get to an SEC title game, where they lost by 40, even though they have had 3 football coaches who won national titles elsewhere and one basketball coach who had done the same. They did take back-to-back-to-back NIT titles in men's basketball with Dave Odom.
BTW, Gamecock fans, compared to NCeSt I love y'all, and I truly do respect your outstanding Honors College, which is deservedly ranked #1 in the country. I can see why, I've made the visit. That said, I hope we spatchcock and barbecue your collective @@@@@ next fall in Cola, 'cause we alone are the real Carolina, and y'all are Baja Carolina. Baked, broiled, broasted, fried, heck, I ain't prejudiced!
But an SEC invite would help NCeSt much more than they deserve.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:33 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC (football) or staying in the ACC (basketball).
The obvious compromise for both groups is simply staying in the ACC, assuming that the ACC doesn't academically dilute itself with schools like ECU.
Last edited 11/21/2012 11:35 AM by crassdt
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:37 AM
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It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC.
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What a load of horsehockey... so far most alumni are in favor of UNC going to the SEC.
Just another example of a piece of offal wolpfacker trying to stir up something. I bet you are scared ******** that UNC wakes up and takes the SEC's offer.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:38 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
what graduates and students are you speaking of/for? many whom i have talked to, who know anything about athletics would prefer to go to the SEC if a move were to made...
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It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC (football) or staying in the ACC (basketball).
The obvious compromise for both groups is simply staying in the ACC, assuming that the ACC doesn't academically dilute itself with schools like ECU.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:41 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
"It" is a barnyard animal molesting wuffie, trying to stir up something on our board. That was the only reason behind "its" post.
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what graduates and students are you speaking of/for? many whom i have talked to, who know anything about athletics would prefer to go to the SEC if a move were to made...
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--- crassdt wrote:
It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC (football) or staying in the ACC (basketball).
The obvious compromise for both groups is simply staying in the ACC, assuming that the ACC doesn't academically dilute itself with schools like ECU.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:47 AM
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We ain't skeered of you blue boys, Rev.
Bring all you got.... :) Including a few adult beverages for our tailgate.
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I'm tired of the academic argument against us moving to the SEC. How has Vanderbilt been hurt academically by being a part of that conference?
This UNC to the SEC argument is about like Democrats versus Republicans. I've spoken to some highly intelligent alumni, and nostalgia trumps logic for them. They think we are a basketball school and will never leave the ACC even if FSU, Clemson, GT, and VT depart.
Don't y'all realize what's gonna happen with NCSU athletics when they get an SEC invite and we don't?
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See SCar for a close parallel. Similar academic profile to NCSU and delusional fan base. It took them 40 years as an independent/SEC team to get to an SEC title game, where they lost by 40, even though they have had 3 football coaches who won national titles elsewhere and one basketball coach who had done the same. They did take back-to-back-to-back NIT titles in men's basketball with Dave Odom.
BTW, Gamecock fans, compared to NCeSt I love y'all, and I truly do respect your outstanding Honors College, which is deservedly ranked #1 in the country. I can see why, I've made the visit. That said, I hope we spatchcock and barbecue your collective @@@@@ next fall in Cola, 'cause we alone are the real Carolina, and y'all are Baja Carolina. Baked, broiled, broasted, fried, heck, I ain't prejudiced!
But an SEC invite would help NCeSt much more than they deserve.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:49 AM
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So you know, I rooted for you against state. ;-)
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We ain't skeered of you blue boys, Rev.
Bring all you got.... :) Including a few adult beverages for our tailgate.
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--- bigwerm wrote:
I'm tired of the academic argument against us moving to the SEC. How has Vanderbilt been hurt academically by being a part of that conference?
This UNC to the SEC argument is about like Democrats versus Republicans. I've spoken to some highly intelligent alumni, and nostalgia trumps logic for them. They think we are a basketball school and will never leave the ACC even if FSU, Clemson, GT, and VT depart.
Don't y'all realize what's gonna happen with NCSU athletics when they get an SEC invite and we don't?
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See SCar for a close parallel. Similar academic profile to NCSU and delusional fan base. It took them 40 years as an independent/SEC team to get to an SEC title game, where they lost by 40, even though they have had 3 football coaches who won national titles elsewhere and one basketball coach who had done the same. They did take back-to-back-to-back NIT titles in men's basketball with Dave Odom.
BTW, Gamecock fans, compared to NCeSt I love y'all, and I truly do respect your outstanding Honors College, which is deservedly ranked #1 in the country. I can see why, I've made the visit. That said, I hope we spatchcock and barbecue your collective @@@@@ next fall in Cola, 'cause we alone are the real Carolina, and y'all are Baja Carolina. Baked, broiled, broasted, fried, heck, I ain't prejudiced!
But an SEC invite would help NCeSt much more than they deserve.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:59 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Great post, I asked earlier this week what happens if unc gets an invite to the big ten? Well it appears it may be happening. The way I see it unc will be in the big ten and ncst in the sec simply for the fact ncst won't ever get an invite from the big ten.
Ask yourselves what happens if unc turns down the big ten? Then the big brings in GTech and most likely uva (They won't invite NCST). That leaves unc to the sec and ncst out in the cold. That simply will not happen as much as we all might like.
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It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC (football) or staying in the ACC (basketball).
The obvious compromise for both groups is simply staying in the ACC, assuming that the ACC doesn't academically dilute itself with schools like ECU.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:03 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Isn't it cute? One wuffie troll/alias comes along to pat the other wuffie troll/alias on the back. Group hug time must be soon.
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Great post, I asked earlier this week what happens if unc gets an invite to the big ten? Well it appears it may be happening. The way I see it unc will be in the big ten and ncst in the sec simply for the fact ncst won't ever get an invite from the big ten.
Ask yourselves what happens if unc turns down the big ten? Then the big brings in GTech and most likely uva (They won't invite NCST). That leaves unc to the sec and ncst out in the cold. That simply will not happen as much as we all might like.
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--- crassdt wrote:
It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC (football) or staying in the ACC (basketball).
The obvious compromise for both groups is simply staying in the ACC, assuming that the ACC doesn't academically dilute itself with schools like ECU.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:15 PM
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I beheel02, graduate (2002) and former student of UNC, am in favor of the SEC far and away above the Big Ten.
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--- crassdt wrote:
It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC (football) or staying in the ACC (basketball).
The obvious compromise for both groups is simply staying in the ACC, assuming that the ACC doesn't academically dilute itself with schools like ECU.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:24 PM
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It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC (football) or staying in the ACC (basketball).
The obvious compromise for both groups is simply staying in the ACC, assuming that the ACC doesn't academically dilute itself with schools like ECU.
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"crass" is aptly named. My family's 75 years and 3 generations worth of UNC legacy alumni vote 100% for the SEC. But you go right ahead with your Walmart theory.
BTW, our test scores look more like Vandy, Duke(sic), Wake, and Northwestern than Mississippi State, but some things are more important than the SAT.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:25 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
I'll admit I'm not a unc guy but ncst? Classic! Just trying to add something to the conversation. unc and ncst need to make some calls and get their ducks in a row.
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Isn't it cute? One wuffie troll/alias comes along to pat the other wuffie troll/alias on the back. Group hug time must be soon.
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--- MrChitlin wrote:
Great post, I asked earlier this week what happens if unc gets an invite to the big ten? Well it appears it may be happening. The way I see it unc will be in the big ten and ncst in the sec simply for the fact ncst won't ever get an invite from the big ten.
Ask yourselves what happens if unc turns down the big ten? Then the big brings in GTech and most likely uva (They won't invite NCST). That leaves unc to the sec and ncst out in the cold. That simply will not happen as much as we all might like.
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--- crassdt wrote:
It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC (football) or staying in the ACC (basketball).
The obvious compromise for both groups is simply staying in the ACC, assuming that the ACC doesn't academically dilute itself with schools like ECU.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:27 PM
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We ain't skeered of you blue boys, Rev.
Bring all you got.... :) Including a few adult beverages for our tailgate.
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--- bigwerm wrote:
I'm tired of the academic argument against us moving to the SEC. How has Vanderbilt been hurt academically by being a part of that conference?
This UNC to the SEC argument is about like Democrats versus Republicans. I've spoken to some highly intelligent alumni, and nostalgia trumps logic for them. They think we are a basketball school and will never leave the ACC even if FSU, Clemson, GT, and VT depart.
Don't y'all realize what's gonna happen with NCSU athletics when they get an SEC invite and we don't?
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See SCar for a close parallel. Similar academic profile to NCSU and delusional fan base. It took them 40 years as an independent/SEC team to get to an SEC title game, where they lost by 40, even though they have had 3 football coaches who won national titles elsewhere and one basketball coach who had done the same. They did take back-to-back-to-back NIT titles in men's basketball with Dave Odom.
BTW, Gamecock fans, compared to NCeSt I love y'all, and I truly do respect your outstanding Honors College, which is deservedly ranked #1 in the country. I can see why, I've made the visit. That said, I hope we spatchcock and barbecue your collective @@@@@ next fall in Cola, 'cause we alone are the real Carolina, and y'all are Baja Carolina. Baked, broiled, broasted, fried, heck, I ain't prejudiced!
But an SEC invite would help NCeSt much more than they deserve.
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Communion wine. Them "high church" Protestants don't use unleaded...
Now we know why they call 'em high church.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:43 PM
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--- crassdt wrote:
It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC.
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What a load of horsehockey... so far most alumni are in favor of UNC going to the SEC.
Just another example of a piece of offal wolpfacker trying to stir up something. I bet you are scared ******** that UNC wakes up and takes the SEC's offer.
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No, it's not. I realize this is a sports forum, but at the end of the day, the value of the UNC degree is what is most important for students and alumni. The SEC is by far a weaker academic conference, whereas a joint move with UVA to the Big Ten would most likely result in academic value-added.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:46 PM
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UNC & UVa to the SEC and the SEC has more AAU schools than the ACC does NOW.
The "tarnish your diploma" argument is a foolish red herring, to quote an old country adage, that dog won't hunt.
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It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC.
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What a load of horsehockey... so far most alumni are in favor of UNC going to the SEC.
Just another example of a piece of offal wolpfacker trying to stir up something. I bet you are scared ******** that UNC wakes up and takes the SEC's offer.
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No, it's not. I realize this is a sports forum, but at the end of the day, the value of the UNC degree is what is most important for students and alumni. The SEC is by far a weaker academic conference, whereas a joint move with UVA to the Big Ten would most likely result in academic value-added.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:47 PM
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Yep. I feel so sorry for all of the Vanderbilt grads out there. What a waste of $ attending that SEC school.........
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:49 PM
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Yep. I feel so sorry for all of the Vanderbilt grads out there. What a waste of $ attending that SEC school.........
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Well, the SEC does have some bad academic schools, some as bad as state. ;-)
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:57 PM
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Keep in mind that this is a sports forum so there is obviously going to be a bias towards the stronger sports conference. UNC's stated goal is to be the best public university in the nation. That simply won't happen if they were to join the SEC.
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It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC (football) or staying in the ACC (basketball).
The obvious compromise for both groups is simply staying in the ACC, assuming that the ACC doesn't academically dilute itself with schools like ECU.
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"crass" is aptly named. My family's 75 years and 3 generations worth of UNC legacy alumni vote 100% for the SEC. But you go right ahead with your Walmart theory.
BTW, our test scores look more like Vandy, Duke(sic), Wake, and Northwestern than Mississippi State, but some things are more important than the SAT.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:57 PM
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This whole conference shuffling is not good for tradition. Sometimes change is not good.
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You prefer the B1G. Others of us prefer the SEC.
Personally, being in a Southern conference, with other Southern schools, is the optimum. We as a state have more in common with the likes of FL, GA, AL, and, TX, than we do MI, OH, PA, or, IL. I don't want to go anywhere where people look at us like we're crazy for saying 'y'all.'
But, its a moot point, because the ACC isn't going anywhere.
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General state politics have less to do with this than university culture. With more and more UNC alumni going to DC and NY, the footprint is extending North, not South.
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Its nothing to do with state politics. Its everything to do with people. We have a common heritage and culture with fans of SEC schools. We do not share that with fans of B1G schools.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:11 PM
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Til death do us part.
I'm a huge ACC fan but this fact is disconcerting to even me.
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Won't happen. I'm convinced that UNC will stick with the ACC until the bitter end.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:13 PM
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Good or bad, change is inevitable. Evolve or die.
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This whole conference shuffling is not good for tradition. Sometimes change is not good.
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You prefer the B1G. Others of us prefer the SEC.
Personally, being in a Southern conference, with other Southern schools, is the optimum. We as a state have more in common with the likes of FL, GA, AL, and, TX, than we do MI, OH, PA, or, IL. I don't want to go anywhere where people look at us like we're crazy for saying 'y'all.'
But, its a moot point, because the ACC isn't going anywhere.
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General state politics have less to do with this than university culture. With more and more UNC alumni going to DC and NY, the footprint is extending North, not South.
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Its nothing to do with state politics. Its everything to do with people. We have a common heritage and culture with fans of SEC schools. We do not share that with fans of B1G schools.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:14 PM
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Keep in mind that this is a sports forum so there is obviously going to be a bias towards the stronger sports conference. UNC's stated goal is to be the best public university in the nation. That simply won't happen if they were to join the SEC.
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I'm failing to see how joining an athletic conference that will give you more $$ could bring a university down....
but i also failed to see how my degree was 'worth less' because of a scandal involving 15 football players....
i need some ABC kool aid over here!!!!!!
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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:18 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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Keep in mind that this is a sports forum so there is obviously going to be a bias towards the stronger sports conference. UNC's stated goal is to be the best public university in the nation. That simply won't happen if they were to join the SEC.
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I'm failing to see how joining an athletic conference that will give you more $$ could bring a university down....
but i also failed to see how my degree was 'worth less' because of a scandal involving 15 football players....
i need some ABC kool aid over here!!!!!!
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1) he is a state fan ( And so hates UNC )
2) state fans are terrified of UNC going to the SEC, that dooms them and they KNOW it.
3) he is a state fan ( since when have they given a damn about University rankings? )
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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:25 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
We can't just choose to say we are going and make a change. With all of our negative press recently, it would likely redouble if we were to try to move to the SEC. Not as much with the B1G, but there would be lots of outcry about athletics being in charge not academics.
I don't know about Virginia, but any change for UNC is going to have to be approved by the Board of Trustees and the Board of Governors for the UNC system. Probably also the Legislature which funds the school.
I just can't see moving ever being approved. Not without lengthy and acrimonius debate. By the time anything is determined the window for change is likely to close and both conferences go in other directions.
I am afraid we will not do ANYTHING and ride this burning wreck to the ground. Does the Ivy League have any openings?
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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:32 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Ahh, to hell with it all, we should just join (and dominate) the WAC!
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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:35 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
No one but the N&O, the wolpfacker mouthpiece, would say a friggin negative word if we went to the SEC. We would be the talk of sports center if we went SEC.
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We can't just choose to say we are going and make a change. With all of our negative press recently, it would likely redouble if we were to try to move to the SEC. Not as much with the B1G, but there would be lots of outcry about athletics being in charge not academics.
I don't know about Virginia, but any change for UNC is going to have to be approved by the Board of Trustees and the Board of Governors for the UNC system. Probably also the Legislature which funds the school.
I just can't see moving ever being approved. Not without lengthy and acrimonius debate. By the time anything is determined the window for change is likely to close and both conferences go in other directions.
I am afraid we will not do ANYTHING and ride this burning wreck to the ground. Does the Ivy League have any openings?
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Posted: 11/21/2012 2:02 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
So, why not follow this argument to its logical extent and petition the Ivy League for admission?
It's charming that you think academics is driving this bus. Academics are in the back seat with basketball just following the hood ornament. They're just window dressing to help cover the financial decision making that's really going on here.
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It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC.
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What a load of horsehockey... so far most alumni are in favor of UNC going to the SEC.
Just another example of a piece of offal wolpfacker trying to stir up something. I bet you are scared ******** that UNC wakes up and takes the SEC's offer.
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No, it's not. I realize this is a sports forum, but at the end of the day, the value of the UNC degree is what is most important for students and alumni. The SEC is by far a weaker academic conference, whereas a joint move with UVA to the Big Ten would most likely result in academic value-added.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 2:06 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Reb, as I said above, Crass is NOT a UNC fan. He is a state fan, and state fans KNOW they are screwed, blued, and tattooed if UNC goes to the SEC.
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So, why not follow this argument to its logical extent and petition the Ivy League for admission?
It's charming that you think academics is driving this bus. Academics are in the back seat with basketball just following the hood ornament. They're just window dressing to help cover the financial decision making that's really going on here.
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It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC.
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What a load of horsehockey... so far most alumni are in favor of UNC going to the SEC.
Just another example of a piece of offal wolpfacker trying to stir up something. I bet you are scared ******** that UNC wakes up and takes the SEC's offer.
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No, it's not. I realize this is a sports forum, but at the end of the day, the value of the UNC degree is what is most important for students and alumni. The SEC is by far a weaker academic conference, whereas a joint move with UVA to the Big Ten would most likely result in academic value-added.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 2:16 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Explains a lot. I think having UNC in the SEC would be huge. There's really no reason that UNC football couldn't thrive in the SEC. Look at Arkansas and South Carolina. They were doormats when they first came in, but they've improved leaps and bounds.
While I think that academics aren't driving the bus here, I do think that adding Texas A&M and Missouri, in addition to everything else they bring to the SEC, was done in order to help make the eventual SEC pitch to UNC/UVA more attractive academically. I think Slive understood that 14 wasn't the last stop. Adding two AAU schools to get to 14 was in part Slive lining his checkers up to go to 16.
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Reb, as I said above, Crass is NOT a UNC fan. He is a state fan, and state fans KNOW they are screwed, blued, and tattooed if UNC goes to the SEC.
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--- NaturalStateReb wrote:
So, why not follow this argument to its logical extent and petition the Ivy League for admission?
It's charming that you think academics is driving this bus. Academics are in the back seat with basketball just following the hood ornament. They're just window dressing to help cover the financial decision making that's really going on here.
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--- crassdt wrote:
It's interesting to see the schism here. UNC students and graduates should heavily favor either staying in the ACC or going to the Big Ten, whereas the so-called "Walmart fans" should heavily favor going to the SEC.
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What a load of horsehockey... so far most alumni are in favor of UNC going to the SEC.
Just another example of a piece of offal wolpfacker trying to stir up something. I bet you are scared ******** that UNC wakes up and takes the SEC's offer.
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No, it's not. I realize this is a sports forum, but at the end of the day, the value of the UNC degree is what is most important for students and alumni. The SEC is by far a weaker academic conference, whereas a joint move with UVA to the Big Ten would most likely result in academic value-added.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 2:21 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
+10000
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Won't happen. I'm convinced that UNC will stick with the ACC until the bitter end.
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