Damn osu won one in 66....and they say the acc is better.....not according to the nc formula.....so i guess the b10 is the better baseball conference

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Are you high? The B1G is the premier basketball conference in the country.

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Absolutely. After all, it's only been about...well...THIRTEEN years since that prestigious league won a National Title.

In fact, this 'premier' basketball conference has won a grand total of ONE National Title since 1990.

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If you think that's bad check into the last time they won a title in baseball.

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Since the ACC's last was in 1955 I don't think I'll talk much.

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Only when she was getting biatched slapped by Ike.

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By the way, why is Duke and Georgia Tech so often mentioned here as expansion candidates? If you haven't noticed, Delaney added RUTGERS and Maryland. The two dominant schools in rich and populous states.

No offense, but Duke or Georgia Tech will most likely never be invited. They don't carry their states near enough to have the Big Ten Network on basic cable in their states.

Only UVA and UNC does.

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By the way, why is Duke and Georgia Tech so often mentioned here as expansion candidates? If you haven't noticed, Delaney added RUTGERS and Maryland. The two dominant schools in rich and populous states.

No offense, but Duke or Georgia Tech will most likely never be invited. They don't carry their states near enough to have the Big Ten Network on basic cable in their states.

Only UVA and UNC does.

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Well, you aren't getting UNC.

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Its quite funny seeing the 'academic' comments. Do you folks fill up the football stadium to watch students take math tests? LOL!!! 0

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I never see fans of one of the more prestigious schools making this point. But I agree with you in that it shouldn't matter. Of course, it DOES matter so it probably doesn't matter what I think in that regard. What I KNOW is that those who make decisions as to realignment and conference expansion (not message board posters or fans of their school's sports teams) absolutely DO care about academic prestige and that absolutely is a criteria for evaluating schools.

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--- maizerayz wrote:

By the way, why is Duke and Georgia Tech so often mentioned here as expansion candidates? If you haven't noticed, Delaney added RUTGERS and Maryland. The two dominant schools in rich and populous states.

No offense, but Duke or Georgia Tech will most likely never be invited. They don't carry their states near enough to have the Big Ten Network on basic cable in their states.

Only UVA and UNC does.

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Well, you aren't getting UNC.

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Shadow, That is a pretty bold statement. Personally I think it is a done deal. I think just the logistics and public relations have to be worked out.

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--- maizerayz wrote:

By the way, why is Duke and Georgia Tech so often mentioned here as expansion candidates? If you haven't noticed, Delaney added RUTGERS and Maryland. The two dominant schools in rich and populous states.

No offense, but Duke or Georgia Tech will most likely never be invited. They don't carry their states near enough to have the Big Ten Network on basic cable in their states.

Only UVA and UNC does.

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Well, you aren't getting UNC.

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Shadow, That is a pretty bold statement. Personally I think it is a done deal. I think just the logistics and public relations have to be worked out.

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What a wonderful thought: spring baseball along the Great Lakes and Rutgers and Maryland as our new conference rivals.

www.mrsec.com/2013/01/big-bang...erences-part-4/

"ACC

". . . .

"What we believe will happen: When you see a to-do list as lengthy as the ACC’s it’s cause for concern. Swofford is having to solve a multi-million dollar Rubik’s Cube. If he gets this turn right, it could undo a previous twist he’s already made. For that reason — and because so many of our sources believe Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia and Virginia Tech have other options — we believe the ACC will wind up as slightly nicer version of the new Big East. If it earns a spot in the new super-division it will do so by a whisker and an eyelash.

"Big Ten

"Why the league would expand: Television money and a shrinking Midwest population. In recent years Jim Delany has grabbed a mega-brand in Nebraska as well as two schools that provide access to gobs of cable households in Rutgers and Maryland. If the Big Ten could push farther into the South, nab more cable households, and needle the SEC, well, we believe it would… and it will.

"Strongest chatter at the moment: As we’ve written since last month, there’s a strong belief that Georgia Tech and Virginia are just waiting to see what Maryland has to pay as an exit fee before they follow the Terps northward. People in the business of media rights deals believe Virginia and Tech are going to move. Sources tell us some ACC coaches are worried those two will leave. And two people we’ve spoken to inside SEC athletic departments have told us they’ve heard and believe those rumors as well. But there’s also a feeling among some that Virginia and North Carolina are the real targets… or that Delany might grab UVA, Tech, UNC and Duke on his way to 18.

" . . . . Delany himself noted in 2010 that population shifts are a part of his league’s thinking. That suggests Virginia, North Carolina, Duke and Georgia Tech are realistic targets for future Big Ten growth. All are AAU institutions, which is so important to that league’s presidents. Finally, while anything’s possible, we’re not buying the chatter that Florida State is on the Big Ten’s wish list. Not one of our sources has suggested that and FSU doesn’t seem to have the academic clout Delany’s league typically desires. That’s doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but you could color us shocked if it did.

". . .

"What we believe will happen: The soon-to-be 14-school Big Ten will eventually become the first super-conference to move past the mythical 16-school barrier. Delany understands the television game as well as anyone and he’ll realize that the bigger his league’s footprint and the more content he has for his Big Ten Network and his other television partners the better. The next move might simply be for two schools, but eventually, we’re guessing the Big Ten jumps beyond 16."

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--- Carolina2009 wrote:

www.mrsec.com/2013/01/big-bang...erences-part-4/

" . . . . Delany himself noted in 2010 that population shifts are a part of his league’s thinking. That suggests Virginia, North Carolina, Duke and Georgia Tech are realistic targets for future Big Ten growth. All are AAU institutions, which is so important to that league’s presidents. Finally, while anything’s possible, we’re not buying the chatter that Florida State is on the Big Ten’s wish list. Not one of our sources has suggested that and FSU doesn’t seem to have the academic clout Delany’s league typically desires. That’s doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but you could color us shocked if it did.

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If the BIG10 takes any ACC universties, I think this is the most likely scenario. Going to 18 would leave two more spots open in case Notre Dame relented and decided to finally join the BIG10. And they could in theory take ND and either FSU, Miami, Uconn, or BC to round out their conference at 20.

The only problem with going to 18 is that it's a bad number to be stuck on when the musical chairs are done. They may not get ND and another school worth having, and then would be stuck on a number that's unweildy.

So to avoid this, they will possibly go to 16 with their top two targets, UNC, and UVA. Then if circumstances permit, they'll go to 20 with GT, Duke, ND, and whomever.

In my opinion that would push the BIG10 past the SEC for the forseeable future. And literally, the only thing that can prevent all of that is UNC going to the SEC. That could cause UVA to rethink their position and derail Delany's entire plan. But I don't expect that to happen. If the ACC loses core members, UNC will likely end up in the BIG10 with GT and UVA.

can't believe anyone is taking what "Mr. SEC" is spouting as anything other than pure, unadulterated speculation with 0 basis in any fact.

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www.mrsec.com/2013/01/big-bang...erences-part-4/

" . . . . Delany himself noted in 2010 that population shifts are a part of his league’s thinking. That suggests Virginia, North Carolina, Duke and Georgia Tech are realistic targets for future Big Ten growth. All are AAU institutions, which is so important to that league’s presidents. Finally, while anything’s possible, we’re not buying the chatter that Florida State is on the Big Ten’s wish list. Not one of our sources has suggested that and FSU doesn’t seem to have the academic clout Delany’s league typically desires. That’s doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but you could color us shocked if it did.

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If the BIG10 takes any ACC universties, I think this is the most likely scenario. Going to 18 would leave two more spots open in case Notre Dame relented and decided to finally join the BIG10. And they could in theory take ND and either FSU, Miami, Uconn, or BC to round out their conference at 20.

The only problem with going to 18 is that it's a bad number to be stuck on when the musical chairs are done. They may not get ND and another school worth having, and then would be stuck on a number that's unweildy.

So to avoid this, they will possibly go to 16 with their top two targets, UNC, and UVA. Then if circumstances permit, they'll go to 20 with GT, Duke, ND, and whomever.

In my opinion that would push the BIG10 past the SEC for the forseeable future. And literally, the only thing that can prevent all of that is UNC going to the SEC. That could cause UVA to rethink their position and derail Delany's entire plan. But I don't expect that to happen. If the ACC loses core members, UNC will likely end up in the BIG10 with GT and UVA.

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Even if the Big Ten doesn't get Notre Dame, Pitt (an AAU member) will likely still be available. Missouri wanted to go to the Big Ten before. Kansas eventually won't be hamstrung by the Big 12 grant of rights. Syracuse and BC will be available.

In short, I don't think Delany think he would be stuck at 18. He might have to settle for 19 and 20, but I don't think he would be stuck.

I am skeptical of an article stating the Pac-12 might take UNLV, and should consider Boise and Hawaii (really, Hawaii?). The Pac will stay at 12 before taking any of those and would only expand if it included current Big XII schools.

And if expansion is all about adding markets, I doubt all three of UNC, Dook (I spelled that right didn't I?) and NCSU would all be taken by the SEC, given that just two of those three should easily capture the NC market share.

I think the ACC stays together. I'd love to know more about the "monetizing" of the ACC network that is supposedly on the horizon and is the key to our closing the revenue gap on the Big Ten.

Mr. SEC is like an oracle in ancient times. Make a million predictions, of course a couple will come to pass, and claim you're clairvoyant.

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www.mrsec.com/2013/01/big-bang...erences-part-4/

"ACC

". . . .

"What we believe will happen: When you see a to-do list as lengthy as the ACC’s it’s cause for concern. Swofford is having to solve a multi-million dollar Rubik’s Cube. If he gets this turn right, it could undo a previous twist he’s already made. For that reason — and because so many of our sources believe Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia and Virginia Tech have other options — we believe the ACC will wind up as slightly nicer version of the new Big East. If it earns a spot in the new super-division it will do so by a whisker and an eyelash.

"Big Ten

"Why the league would expand: Television money and a shrinking Midwest population. In recent years Jim Delany has grabbed a mega-brand in Nebraska as well as two schools that provide access to gobs of cable households in Rutgers and Maryland. If the Big Ten could push farther into the South, nab more cable households, and needle the SEC, well, we believe it would… and it will.

"Strongest chatter at the moment: As we’ve written since last month, there’s a strong belief that Georgia Tech and Virginia are just waiting to see what Maryland has to pay as an exit fee before they follow the Terps northward. People in the business of media rights deals believe Virginia and Tech are going to move. Sources tell us some ACC coaches are worried those two will leave. And two people we’ve spoken to inside SEC athletic departments have told us they’ve heard and believe those rumors as well. But there’s also a feeling among some that Virginia and North Carolina are the real targets… or that Delany might grab UVA, Tech, UNC and Duke on his way to 18.

" . . . . Delany himself noted in 2010 that population shifts are a part of his league’s thinking. That suggests Virginia, North Carolina, Duke and Georgia Tech are realistic targets for future Big Ten growth. All are AAU institutions, which is so important to that league’s presidents. Finally, while anything’s possible, we’re not buying the chatter that Florida State is on the Big Ten’s wish list. Not one of our sources has suggested that and FSU doesn’t seem to have the academic clout Delany’s league typically desires. That’s doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but you could color us shocked if it did.

". . .

"What we believe will happen: The soon-to-be 14-school Big Ten will eventually become the first super-conference to move past the mythical 16-school barrier. Delany understands the television game as well as anyone and he’ll realize that the bigger his league’s footprint and the more content he has for his Big Ten Network and his other television partners the better. The next move might simply be for two schools, but eventually, we’re guessing the Big Ten jumps beyond 16."

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Lots of different boards, blogs, tweets, by many different Insiders claiming a move by the B1G taking some ACC schools is getting very close. The latest consensus is UVA, UNC, Duke, and GT, with FSU pleading their case and laying out a plan to improve their academics to AAU level in 5-7 years.

If those 5 teams are added, expect ND to be #20.

I would then expect 4 pods of 5 teams and each pod will rotate playing the other pods every third year, meaning home/home every 6 years with every school. Schools within a pod will play every year.

POD 1 - FSU, GT, UNC, DUKE, UVA
POD 2 - MARYLAND, PSU, RUTGERS, ND, NORTHWESTERN
POD 3 - tOSU, MICHIGAN, MSU, PURDUE, INDIANA
POD 4 - ILLINOIS, WISKY, MINN, IOWA, NEBRASKA

It is getting much louder.

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Lots of different boards, blogs, tweets, by many different Insiders claiming a move by the B1G taking some ACC schools is getting very close. The latest consensus is UVA, UNC, Duke, and GT, with FSU pleading their case and laying out a plan to improve their academics to AAU level in 5-7 years.

If those 5 teams are added, expect ND to be #20.

I would then expect 4 pods of 5 teams and each pod will rotate playing the other pods every third year, meaning home/home every 6 years with every school. Schools within a pod will play every year.

POD 1 - FSU, GT, UNC, DUKE, UVA
POD 2 - MARYLAND, PSU, RUTGERS, ND, NORTHWESTERN
POD 3 - tOSU, MICHIGAN, MSU, PURDUE, INDIANA
POD 4 - ILLINOIS, WISKY, MINN, IOWA, NEBRASKA

It is getting much louder.

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A 20-team league...LOL.

First, I don't believe any of this will happen.

Second, if it does, we might as well have one 64 team BCS conference & just get it over with. This greed is just awful for college athletics & fans/student athletes across the nation. Let's have our non-revenue sports have to make trips to freaking Minnesota & Michigan. It's an absolute travesty & a joke.

What about football...do you play 8 or 9 teams out of the other 19 in the league? Do you have a 4-team Tournament for the CONFERENCE title? How many freakin' games can you play?

This idea is absolutely asinine.

If it is indeed getting louder as you say (and I have serious doubts about that), my hope is that it gets a lot softer in the coming days/weeks/months/years.

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By the way, why is Duke and Georgia Tech so often mentioned here as expansion candidates? If you haven't noticed, Delaney added RUTGERS and Maryland. The two dominant schools in rich and populous states.

No offense, but Duke or Georgia Tech will most likely never be invited. They don't carry their states near enough to have the Big Ten Network on basic cable in their states.

Only UVA and UNC does.

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Well, you aren't getting UNC.

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Shadow, That is a pretty bold statement. Personally I think it is a done deal. I think just the logistics and public relations have to be worked out.

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Luckily, what you think won't matter.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

Lots of different boards, blogs, tweets, by many different Insiders claiming a move by the B1G taking some ACC schools is getting very close. The latest consensus is UVA, UNC, Duke, and GT, with FSU pleading their case and laying out a plan to improve their academics to AAU level in 5-7 years.

If those 5 teams are added, expect ND to be #20.

I would then expect 4 pods of 5 teams and each pod will rotate playing the other pods every third year, meaning home/home every 6 years with every school. Schools within a pod will play every year.

POD 1 - FSU, GT, UNC, DUKE, UVA
POD 2 - MARYLAND, PSU, RUTGERS, ND, NORTHWESTERN
POD 3 - tOSU, MICHIGAN, MSU, PURDUE, INDIANA
POD 4 - ILLINOIS, WISKY, MINN, IOWA, NEBRASKA

It is getting much louder.

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Not going to happen, but feel free to keep spouting your verbal diarrhea of a wet dream all over our board.

I don't care if it happens or not. I'm just letting UNC fans know what is being said outside of ACC territory.

If you don't believe or refuse to believe, that is fantastic. I have no problem with that at all, it is your right.

I'm a big fan of UNC due to my family always vacationing in NC as a kid. I would love to have UNC as an addition to the B1G.

What you are doing is passing on public board BS thay only a child would believe or take seriously.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

I don't care if it happens or not. I'm just letting UNC fans know what is being said outside of ACC territory.

If you don't believe or refuse to believe, that is fantastic. I have no problem with that at all, it is your right.

I'm a big fan of UNC due to my family always vacationing in NC as a kid. I would love to have UNC as an addition to the B1G.

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What you are doing is passing on public board BS thay only a child would believe or take seriously.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

I don't care if it happens or not. I'm just letting UNC fans know what is being said outside of ACC territory.

If you don't believe or refuse to believe, that is fantastic. I have no problem with that at all, it is your right.

I'm a big fan of UNC due to my family always vacationing in NC as a kid. I would love to have UNC as an addition to the B1G.

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You are pretty emotional about this subject. Relax.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

I don't care if it happens or not. I'm just letting UNC fans know what is being said outside of ACC territory.

If you don't believe or refuse to believe, that is fantastic. I have no problem with that at all, it is your right.

I'm a big fan of UNC due to my family always vacationing in NC as a kid. I would love to have UNC as an addition to the B1G.

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Who is saying all of this, Winchester? Big 10 officicials? Media types?

All I know is that some of the best-known sports journalists in ACC country, like David Teel, have said nothing on this topic. He has great contacts at UVA, and, we've heard nary a word from him about it.

ESPN's Brett McMurphy has not said much, either. He was the most credible media type during last summer's expansion craziness.

What...you don't believe in the "Big 20"?

LOL...

WinchesterBUCK = full + of + hot + air

Makes no friggin' sense whatsoever.

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--- UNCsince53 wrote:

What you are doing is passing on public board BS thay only a child would believe or take seriously.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

I don't care if it happens or not. I'm just letting UNC fans know what is being said outside of ACC territory.

If you don't believe or refuse to believe, that is fantastic. I have no problem with that at all, it is your right.

I'm a big fan of UNC due to my family always vacationing in NC as a kid. I would love to have UNC as an addition to the B1G.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

I don't care if it happens or not. I'm just letting UNC fans know what is being said outside of ACC territory.

If you don't believe or refuse to believe, that is fantastic. I have no problem with that at all, it is your right.

I'm a big fan of UNC due to my family always vacationing in NC as a kid. I would love to have UNC as an addition to the B1G.

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Who is saying all of this, Winchester? Big 10 officicials? Media types?

All I know is that some of the best-known sports journalists in ACC country, like David Teel, have said nothing on this topic. He has great contacts at UVA, and, we've heard nary a word from him about it.

ESPN's Brett McMurphy has not said much, either. He was the most credible media type during last summer's expansion craziness.

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Within the last couple of days, tOSU Insiders, WVU Insiders, Mr. SEC, a few blogs, and I have a client who is a BoT at tOSU.

Talks are happening between the B1G and many ACC schools. Some of the things that are being said are that:

-the Maryland exit fee will be around $20-$25 million, all parties know this
-B1G is looking to go to 20 with the right schools
-FSU is selling itself hard to the B1G and showing how it can be AAU status in 5-7 years
-ACC is trying like crazy to have schools sign a GoR but no one wants to
-B1G is willing to take a 4 block of schools, and those would include a combination BC, UVA, UNC, GT, FSU.
-ND would be school #19, with the hope of Texas or Kansas as #20
-FOX is working side by side with the B1G, and with the schools mentioned above, tier 1 would be $30 million
-NCAA has told the B1G they would allow semi-finals inside a conference (extra game when using pod set up)


There is a lot going on behind the scenes. No one knows how it will play out. But by 2017, B1G schools will be earning around $40 million in tv revenue while ACC schools will be at $17 million. That is a game changer. And this doesn't include bowl payouts.

Nothing may happen, but the power players want expansion and want it down to 4 conferences. The players are the 4 conferences and the networks.

The Big 10 could go to 16 teams...but 20 makes absolutely no sense. It's just ridiculous.

How do you schedule football games?
Will you make a lot of schools travel halfway across the country to play non-revenue sports/etc.?

There is no way it goes to 20 teams.

And, if it does, it is a great illustration of the definition of 'insanity'.

Fortunately, I think our new friend "WinchesterBUCK" is honestly full of crap with regards to this topic. I guess time will tell...

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--- RoyIsTheBest wrote:

The Big 10 could go to 16 teams...but 20 makes absolutely no sense. It's just ridiculous.

How do you schedule football games?
Will you make a lot of schools travel halfway across the country to play non-revenue sports/etc.?

There is no way it goes to 20 teams.

And, if it does, it is a great illustration of the definition of 'insanity'.

Fortunately, I think our new friend "WinchesterBUCK" is honestly full of crap with regards to this topic. I guess time will tell...

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I'm just telling you what I've read and been told.

What has been talked about with a 20 team conference is 4 pods of 5 schools. Each of the pods would rotate who they play every year. Schools would play the teams in their respective pod every year. So, schools would play every school in the other pods once every three years. And would equate to a home-&-home every six years.

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--- RoyIsTheBest wrote:

The Big 10 could go to 16 teams...but 20 makes absolutely no sense. It's just ridiculous.

How do you schedule football games?
Will you make a lot of schools travel halfway across the country to play non-revenue sports/etc.?

There is no way it goes to 20 teams.

And, if it does, it is a great illustration of the definition of 'insanity'.

Fortunately, I think our new friend "WinchesterBUCK" is honestly full of crap with regards to this topic. I guess time will tell...

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I don't think it is so ridiculous. It is essentially two conferences. The B10 goes back to its original membership (+ Nebraska, - one team). The eastern schools are a combo of ND/PSU/Rutgers/ACC (+ one of the old B10 teams).

Penn Staters will have no problem moving to the east.

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--- RoyIsTheBest wrote:

The Big 10 could go to 16 teams...but 20 makes absolutely no sense. It's just ridiculous.

How do you schedule football games?
Will you make a lot of schools travel halfway across the country to play non-revenue sports/etc.?

There is no way it goes to 20 teams.

And, if it does, it is a great illustration of the definition of 'insanity'.

Fortunately, I think our new friend "WinchesterBUCK" is honestly full of crap with regards to this topic. I guess time will tell...

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I'm just telling you what I've read and been told.

What has been talked about with a 20 team conference is 4 pods of 5 schools. Each of the pods would rotate who they play every year. Schools would play the teams in their respective pod every year. So, schools would play every school in the other pods once every three years. And would equate to a home-&-home every six years.

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So, in a given 'Conference'like this 'mess' for football, you would play a MINORITY of teams when looking at the league as a whole. Or...are we going to an NFL-like 16-game schedule?

If you are telling us what you've read & been told...all I will say is that what you've read & been told (and told us) has been a bunch of crap.

And, by the 1% chance it isn't 'crap', then I feel sick about where college athletics is heading. Rivalries, balanced schedules, tradition, and reasonable travel for student athletes would be a distant memory...and it would be a HUGE negative for college athletics as a whole -- for fans & student athletes especially.

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--- RoyIsTheBest wrote:

The Big 10 could go to 16 teams...but 20 makes absolutely no sense. It's just ridiculous.

How do you schedule football games?
Will you make a lot of schools travel halfway across the country to play non-revenue sports/etc.?

There is no way it goes to 20 teams.

And, if it does, it is a great illustration of the definition of 'insanity'.

Fortunately, I think our new friend "WinchesterBUCK" is honestly full of crap with regards to this topic. I guess time will tell...

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I'm just telling you what I've read and been told.

What has been talked about with a 20 team conference is 4 pods of 5 schools. Each of the pods would rotate who they play every year. Schools would play the teams in their respective pod every year. So, schools would play every school in the other pods once every three years. And would equate to a home-&-home every six years.

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If they do pods, I think you let the 2 western pods play each other 2 out of 3 years (same with the 2 eastern pods). It ensures that you play your closest rivals every year and play the geographically closer pod 2 out of 3 (thus preserving lesser rivalries as well).

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--- RoyIsTheBest wrote:

The Big 10 could go to 16 teams...but 20 makes absolutely no sense. It's just ridiculous.

How do you schedule football games?
Will you make a lot of schools travel halfway across the country to play non-revenue sports/etc.?

There is no way it goes to 20 teams.

And, if it does, it is a great illustration of the definition of 'insanity'.

Fortunately, I think our new friend "WinchesterBUCK" is honestly full of crap with regards to this topic. I guess time will tell...

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I don't think it is so ridiculous. It is essentially two conferences. The B10 goes back to its original membership (+ Nebraska, - one team). The eastern schools are a combo of ND/PSU/Rutgers/ACC (+ one of the old B10 teams).

Penn Staters will have no problem moving to the east.

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Not so crazy...

B1G East: [Duke, Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia] / [Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers]

B1G West: [Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin] / [Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Purdue]

You could have (1) two divisions that only play in the conference championship game, (2) four rotating pods of five teams, or (3) four divisions with conference semifinal and championship games. The latter may be the most unrealistic for scheduling reasons, but it would generate a lot of money.

I don't know what will happen (and although it interests me, I don't care about the end result because UNC will be OK in the end), but a 20-team Big Ten *could* happen.

Doesn't anyone get Sick of hypotheticals?

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Nope.

Completely crazy, stupid, impractical, illogical, and asinine.

And...did I mention crazy?

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:



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--- RoyIsTheBest wrote:

The Big 10 could go to 16 teams...but 20 makes absolutely no sense. It's just ridiculous.

How do you schedule football games?
Will you make a lot of schools travel halfway across the country to play non-revenue sports/etc.?

There is no way it goes to 20 teams.

And, if it does, it is a great illustration of the definition of 'insanity'.

Fortunately, I think our new friend "WinchesterBUCK" is honestly full of crap with regards to this topic. I guess time will tell...

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I'm just telling you what I've read and been told.

What has been talked about with a 20 team conference is 4 pods of 5 schools. Each of the pods would rotate who they play every year. Schools would play the teams in their respective pod every year. So, schools would play every school in the other pods once every three years. And would equate to a home-&-home every six years.

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So, in a given 'Conference'like this 'mess' for football, you would play a MINORITY of teams when looking at the league as a whole. Or...are we going to an NFL-like 16-game schedule?

If you are telling us what you've read & been told...all I will say is that what you've read & been told (and told us) has been a bunch of crap.

And, by the 1% chance it isn't 'crap', then I feel sick about where college athletics is heading. Rivalries, balanced schedules, tradition, and reasonable travel for student athletes would be a distant memory...and it would be a HUGE negative for college athletics as a whole -- for fans & student athletes especially.

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It is unfortunete that money is driving it all. The network partners are very powerful and it costs a lot of money to run an athletic program. Just look at the costs of salaries and facilities.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

I don't care if it happens or not. I'm just letting UNC fans know what is being said outside of ACC territory.

If you don't believe or refuse to believe, that is fantastic. I have no problem with that at all, it is your right.

I'm a big fan of UNC due to my family always vacationing in NC as a kid. I would love to have UNC as an addition to the B1G.

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Who is saying all of this, Winchester? Big 10 officicials? Media types?

All I know is that some of the best-known sports journalists in ACC country, like David Teel, have said nothing on this topic. He has great contacts at UVA, and, we've heard nary a word from him about it.

ESPN's Brett McMurphy has not said much, either. He was the most credible media type during last summer's expansion craziness.

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Within the last couple of days, tOSU Insiders, WVU Insiders, Mr. SEC, a few blogs, and I have a client who is a BoT at tOSU.

Talks are happening between the B1G and many ACC schools. Some of the things that are being said are that:

-the Maryland exit fee will be around $20-$25 million, all parties know this
-B1G is looking to go to 20 with the right schools
-FSU is selling itself hard to the B1G and showing how it can be AAU status in 5-7 years
-ACC is trying like crazy to have schools sign a GoR but no one wants to
-B1G is willing to take a 4 block of schools, and those would include a combination BC, UVA, UNC, GT, FSU.
-ND would be school #19, with the hope of Texas or Kansas as #20
-FOX is working side by side with the B1G, and with the schools mentioned above, tier 1 would be $30 million
-NCAA has told the B1G they would allow semi-finals inside a conference (extra game when using pod set up)


There is a lot going on behind the scenes. No one knows how it will play out. But by 2017, B1G schools will be earning around $40 million in tv revenue while ACC schools will be at $17 million. That is a game changer. And this doesn't include bowl payouts.

Nothing may happen, but the power players want expansion and want it down to 4 conferences. The players are the 4 conferences and the networks.

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I could maybe believe OSU insiders. Maybe. The rest, no so much.

WVU insiders have been proven over and over to be WRONG about almost everything concerning realignment. Most of their blather is butthurt over being bypassed by the ACC, while taking their arch rival, Pitt, instead. While MrSEC is not as kooky as some bloggers out there, I doubt he would know more than somebody like David Teel. I don't doubt there is talk amongst the B10 and some ACC schools, but, no Rams Club members I personally know place much stock in them. Granted, they are not the uber higher-up types.

Anything can happen in regards to realignment. We've seen that. UMD was in desperate financial straits, brought on by a reckless AD. And, NC State hired her. If she were to ruin them, too, I doubt many here would complain about that.

I do not know of any other ACC schools also in UMD's position, financially speaking.

I could very well be wrong about all of this. You could be, too.

does anyone else find it funny these B1G dorks are all coming on here telling UNC they're coming only for 'Heels basically telling them to **** off, yet they keep coming back....

B1G dorks, nobody cares about your lame ass, stale, boring conference but yourselves.

What a bunch of delusional homers.

I can verify some of Winchesters info is from our Insiders board. Rock solid source who told us Urban to tOSU months before it happened and Rutgers and Maryland to the BIG well over a year ago to name a very few. The landscape is changing in College football and some things will be hard to take. For anybody to think that any school in the ACC to not have back up plans for when this shakes out then I dont know what to say. Dont forget that The once fired and rehired president from Virginia came from Michigan and graduated from Michigan state. I also read about a month ago that the powers to be at UNC want in and want in badly but there is some work to be done with Alumni donors.

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Its quite funny seeing the 'academic' comments. Do you folks fill up the football stadium to watch students take math tests? LOL!!! 0

I've worked for two fortune 500 companies and the HR people in charge of recruiting bright, new employees have told me they don't care what college an applicant has graduated from....just so they have that degree.

On an interesting side note, one of my professors in college let everyone know he had came from THE Ohio State University. Yes, he wore that distinction right on his sleeve (figuratively). In one of his more serious discussions he said the cheating in athletics could not hold a candle to what went on to get research grant money. Said he could write a book as to the goings on involved with that.

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Wasn't it Bear Bryant who said, 'Next time you get 60,000 to come and watch a chemsitry experiment, you let me know?'

There are very bright people on every college campus. There are slackers. And, there are people who have absolutely no business whatsoever being there, either.

I've met folks from so-called elite academic institutions who had all the book learning you could ask for, but, they had all of the common sense that God gave a green apple. Not a recipe for lifelong success...LOL.

You know that as competitive as it is getting for grant and research money, that there are some backroom dealings, dirty pool, and, outright lying going on. So, your professor's comments are not all that shocking.

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Your comment insulted green apples everywhere.

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I don't care if it happens or not. I'm just letting UNC fans know what is being said outside of ACC territory.

If you don't believe or refuse to believe, that is fantastic. I have no problem with that at all, it is your right.

I'm a big fan of UNC due to my family always vacationing in NC as a kid. I would love to have UNC as an addition to the B1G.

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Yeah, I understand. I feel the same way about Ohio. Dad always took us to Ohio for vacations because HE FREAKING HATED US!

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I don't care if it happens or not. I'm just letting UNC fans know what is being said outside of ACC territory.

If you don't believe or refuse to believe, that is fantastic. I have no problem with that at all, it is your right.

I'm a big fan of UNC due to my family always vacationing in NC as a kid. I would love to have UNC as an addition to the B1G.

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Yeah, I understand. I feel the same way about Ohio. Dad always took us to Ohio for vacations because HE FREAKING HATED US!

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"Dad, I really think Jeeps are cool, but we've toured the Jeep plant in Toledo every dadgum year for the last six - and I don't want to see the Mud Hens play again, either! What do you mean we're going to Akron Tuesday to the Zips Hall of Fame? And to Kent to the Flashes' Museum Wednesday? No, I won't wear a raincoat to the Flashes' Museum! Can't we just go to Myrtle Beach like normal people?"

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I can verify some of Winchesters info is from our Insiders board. Rock solid source who told us Urban to tOSU months before it happened and Rutgers and Maryland to the BIG well over a year ago to name a very few. The landscape is changing in College football and some things will be hard to take. For anybody to think that any school in the ACC to not have back up plans for when this shakes out then I dont know what to say. Dont forget that The once fired and rehired president from Virginia came from Michigan and graduated from Michigan state. I also read about a month ago that the powers to be at UNC want in and want in badly but there is some work to be done with Alumni donors.

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Oh, I agree totally. The ACC schools with options will for sure have backup plans in place, should it all go sideways. They'd be crazy to not have contingencies.

Honestly, I was unaware of the UVA president having a B10 pedigree. He won't be able to ramrod through a move to the B10 at UVA, like UMD's president and AD did there.

I am fairly certain that many PTBs at Carolina want Big 10 membership. IMHO, it will come down to what the big money donors say and want. Truthfully, I have no clue whatsover about where they prefer. The one I personally know are pro-SEC, but, thats just a scant few. And, they're not power player types.

There are others here who have a far, far better idea of that than I do.

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does anyone else find it funny these B1G dorks are all coming on here telling UNC they're coming only for 'Heels basically telling them to **** off, yet they keep coming back....

B1G dorks, nobody cares about your lame ass, stale, boring conference but yourselves.

What a bunch of delusional homers.

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I hope our fans are still contacting the University's higher ups, and, letting them know (in a respectful manner) that they prefer the SEC.

The B10 fans who've come over, and, have been respectful, have gotten respect right back.

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does anyone else find it funny these B1G dorks are all coming on here telling UNC they're coming only for 'Heels basically telling them to **** off, yet they keep coming back....

B1G dorks, nobody cares about your lame ass, stale, boring conference but yourselves.

What a bunch of delusional homers.

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I hope our fans are still contacting the University's higher ups, and, letting them know (in a respectful manner) that they prefer the SEC.

The B10 fans who've come over, and, have been respectful, have gotten respect right back.

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Yes, those B1G fans who have come in respect are generally treated with such. I have personally refrained from using the "Y-word" as much as possible, and never with it's traditional adjective modifier.

We should contact the higher ups at UNC and express our pro-SEC feelings. IF the ACC can't make it I think it's our best option.