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Posted: 1/9/2013 12:42 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
If Carolina leaves the ACC for either the Big 10 or SEC, it will be admitting that football has priority over academics and over the other sports on campus. A defection WOULD hurt the university's academic reputation because the university would be admitting that academics are a secondary priority in the university's mission.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:08 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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If Carolina leaves the ACC for either the Big 10 or SEC, it will be admitting that football has priority over academics and over the other sports on campus. A defection WOULD hurt the university's academic reputation because the university would be admitting that academics are a secondary priority in the university's mission.
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The Big Ten is arguably a better academic conference than the ACC. We look better in the U.S. News rankings because their formula inflates the standing of small private schools like Wake and BC. In reality, schools like Wisconsin and Illinois are much more powerful academic institutions than either Wake or BC.
A conference with Northwestern, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, and 2-4 of UNC, UVa, Duke, and Georgia Tech would be the best FBS academic conference by far.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:13 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
It is also the premier basketball conference for when you need to take a nap.
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Are you high? The B1G is the premier basketball conference in the country.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:21 PM
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It is also the premier basketball conference for when you need to take a nap.
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--- carolinohio wrote:
Are you high? The B1G is the premier basketball conference in the country.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:38 PM
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Are you high? The B1G is the premier basketball conference in the country.
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Absolutely. After all, it's only been about...well...THIRTEEN years since that prestigious league won a National Title.
In fact, this 'premier' basketball conference has won a grand total of ONE National Title since 1990.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 4:08 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
The B1G was great at basketball in the 80's and 90's, and then it went down after the year 2000. It is back in full force now. It has won the ACC/B1G challenge 3 of 4 years with this year being a tie.
The B1G is not a slow conference in basketball. Wisky and Northwestern yes, all others love to run. Heck, tOSU doesn't really even have a big guy.
The depth of the B1G is pretty amazing the last several years. They have not been able to win the dance, but have had several teams in the elite 8 and final 4 and championship game. It's tuff to win the entire thing.
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Are you high? The B1G is the premier basketball conference in the country.
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Absolutely. After all, it's only been about...well...THIRTEEN years since that prestigious league won a National Title.
In fact, this 'premier' basketball conference has won a grand total of ONE National Title since 1990.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 4:14 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
It's not 'tuff' to win more than 1 championship in 22 seasons.
But...it apparently is for the Big 10 Conference.
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The B1G was great at basketball in the 80's and 90's, and then it went down after the year 2000. It is back in full force now. It has won the ACC/B1G challenge 3 of 4 years with this year being a tie.
The B1G is not a slow conference in basketball. Wisky and Northwestern yes, all others love to run. Heck, tOSU doesn't really even have a big guy.
The depth of the B1G is pretty amazing the last several years. They have not been able to win the dance, but have had several teams in the elite 8 and final 4 and championship game. It's tuff to win the entire thing.
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Are you high? The B1G is the premier basketball conference in the country.
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Absolutely. After all, it's only been about...well...THIRTEEN years since that prestigious league won a National Title.
In fact, this 'premier' basketball conference has won a grand total of ONE National Title since 1990.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 4:37 PM
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If Carolina leaves the ACC for either the Big 10 or SEC, it will be admitting that football has priority over academics and over the other sports on campus. A defection WOULD hurt the university's academic reputation because the university would be admitting that academics are a secondary priority in the university's mission.
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That is complete and utter horse crap.
Texas, Vanderbilt, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, and Washington all play in leagues where the majority of their members are not academically respected institutions. Football DOES NOT take priority over academics at those outstanding institutions. Nor, would it do so here, if Carolina ever left the ACC for either the SEC, or, Big 10.
Their academic reputations are completely intact. To say UNC's would suffer is one of the most outright insane things to ever be bandied about on this board.
I declare, some of you need to step away from the computer before typing nonsense like Dave did..
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Posted: 1/9/2013 5:15 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
You are full of it, but we know from your history that you are actually an OSU fan, not a Heel fan.
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Are you high? The B1G is the premier basketball conference in the country.
Sounds like you have only seen Wisconsin play.
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3) For the BB oriented, do you REALLY want to see UNC have to play against all those Big-10 teams who play like Va? Who think it is football on the court? The athletes we get to play in our system would be beat to death if we had to play teams like that all season. At least the SEC plays BB more like we do.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 9:09 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Just because a prestigious school plays in a football league that is NOT academically prestigious, it doesn't mean there is NO correlation or effect. Who knows? Perhaps Vanderbilt would be viewed like Stanford or dook and Georgia and Florida may be viewed like UNC and UVa if they had been in different leagues.
Who knows? I'm not saying that there IS an effect...after all how would you prove it without a control. Saying that a good school playing in a league that is not known for being strong in academics is in no way evidence that there isn't an effect.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 9:14 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
...hearing the number is $25 million. B1G will front the money and it will be paid back from future revenue. ACC office knows that the $52 million will not hold and has been begging other members to sign a GoR. Once the number is finalized, privately or publically, UVA & UNC get B1G invites. This will then steer NC State and VT to the SEC.
Many have been correct in their assumptions that VT & UVA and UNC & Nc State can not be torn apart unless each has a legit home. The B1G will not take NC State or VT, they will only take the other two. With that being said, SEC would have to take all 4 and they have zero interest in doing that. It would be a money loser. The SEC just wants/needs the markets for their national football brands. The quality football is not as important as the markets in this round of expansion.
Don't hate the messenger. I am not bashing anyone or any school or any conference.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 9:33 PM
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...hearing the number is $25 million. B1G will front the money and it will be paid back from future revenue. ACC office knows that the $52 million will not hold and has been begging other members to sign a GoR. Once the number is finalized, privately or publically, UVA & UNC get B1G invites. This will then steer NC State and VT to the SEC.
Many have been correct in their assumptions that VT & UVA and UNC & Nc State can not be torn apart unless each has a legit home. The B1G will not take NC State or VT, they will only take the other two. With that being said, SEC would have to take all 4 and they have zero interest in doing that. It would be a money loser. The SEC just wants/needs the markets for their national football brands. The quality football is not as important as the markets in this round of expansion.
Don't hate the messenger. I am not bashing anyone or any school or any conference.
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I am still not sold that the ACC is going to lose anymore teams. Least of all, UNC and UVA.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:55 PM
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...hearing the number is $25 million. B1G will front the money and it will be paid back from future revenue. ACC office knows that the $52 million will not hold and has been begging other members to sign a GoR. Once the number is finalized, privately or publically, UVA & UNC get B1G invites. This will then steer NC State and VT to the SEC.
Many have been correct in their assumptions that VT & UVA and UNC & Nc State can not be torn apart unless each has a legit home. The B1G will not take NC State or VT, they will only take the other two. With that being said, SEC would have to take all 4 and they have zero interest in doing that. It would be a money loser. The SEC just wants/needs the markets for their national football brands. The quality football is not as important as the markets in this round of expansion.
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LOL, "steer NC State and VT to the SEC"? That's a hot one. You haven't been paying attention over the last several years if you think "the quality of football is not as important" to the SEC. The conference commish has been emphatic about not diluting its fb brand like the Big 10 just did. To do that it would take schools that offer something else of major value like UNC/Dook bball. Moo U has nothing the SEC can use.
Oh, and as long as the ACC exists the University of North Carolina will be a part of it. Period.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:13 AM
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If Carolina leaves the ACC for either the Big 10 or SEC, it will be admitting that football has priority over academics and over the other sports on campus. A defection WOULD hurt the university's academic reputation because the university would be admitting that academics are a secondary priority in the university's mission.
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Stanford has been devastated by association with ASU, OSU, WASH ST and Utah. God forbid that what has happened to Stanford's academic reputation happen to Carolina's. We could end up being forced to rise above Vanderbilt. NCDave, I have no way of knowing if you are an aggie and protected by the AWDA or if you are a basketball fister. Regardless, your post is absolutely void of truth and an aggies wet dream.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:14 AM
Re: Big10 or SEC? What will it be?
My post had nothing to do with the academic reputation of the ACC vs. the members of any other conference. It had to do with abandoning schools that Carolina has had relationships with for much longer than the ACC has been around to start new relationships with schools that they rarely play against. It has to do with sending athletes in non-revenue sports across two time zones and forcing them to miss more class time. It's about putting football over loyalty and tradition.
It's bad enough that they've given up playing schools like Wake Forest and Clemson each year for games against Boston College, Syracuse, or Pitt. But giving them up entirely is too big a change.
There has been very little discussion in this thread about Carolina staying in the ACC. It's mostly about whether the Big 10 or SEC would be the best place to go. So I'm clearly in the minority here.
It may be OK for Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, West Virginia, and others, but if Carolina leaves the ACC, it's as if they're surrendering to the football program. They've already been hurt by academic scandal involving bogus courses to keep football players eligible. Leaving the ACC will confirm football is at the forefront of the University's mission.
I know it's all about money and TV markets. It's a reality of the times, and a change might be inevitable. But I won't be happy about it.
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If Carolina leaves the ACC for either the Big 10 or SEC, it will be admitting that football has priority over academics and over the other sports on campus. A defection WOULD hurt the university's academic reputation because the university would be admitting that academics are a secondary priority in the university's mission.
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That is complete and utter horse crap.
Texas, Vanderbilt, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, and Washington all play in leagues where the majority of their members are not academically respected institutions. Football DOES NOT take priority over academics at those outstanding institutions. Nor, would it do so here, if Carolina ever left the ACC for either the SEC, or, Big 10.
Their academic reputations are completely intact. To say UNC's would suffer is one of the most outright insane things to ever be bandied about on this board.
I declare, some of you need to step away from the computer before typing nonsense like Dave did..
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:29 AM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Those classes weren't just for football players
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Posted: 1/10/2013 1:17 AM
Re: Big10 or SEC? What will it be?
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if Carolina leaves the ACC, it's as if they're surrendering to the football program. They've already been hurt by academic scandal involving bogus courses to keep football players eligible.
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Troll.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 1:19 AM
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if Carolina leaves the ACC, it's as if they're surrendering to the football program. They've already been hurt by academic scandal involving bogus courses to keep football players eligible.
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^ Bingo
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Posted: 1/10/2013 7:27 AM
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...hearing the number is $25 million. B1G will front the money and it will be paid back from future revenue. ACC office knows that the $52 million will not hold and has been begging other members to sign a GoR. Once the number is finalized, privately or publically, UVA & UNC get B1G invites. This will then steer NC State and VT to the SEC.
Many have been correct in their assumptions that VT & UVA and UNC & Nc State can not be torn apart unless each has a legit home. The B1G will not take NC State or VT, they will only take the other two. With that being said, SEC would have to take all 4 and they have zero interest in doing that. It would be a money loser. The SEC just wants/needs the markets for their national football brands. The quality football is not as important as the markets in this round of expansion.
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LOL, "steer NC State and VT to the SEC"? That's a hot one. You haven't been paying attention over the last several years if you think "the quality of football is not as important" to the SEC. The conference commish has been emphatic about not diluting its fb brand like the Big 10 just did. To do that it would take schools that offer something else of major value like UNC/Dook bball. Moo U has nothing the SEC can use.
Oh, and as long as the ACC exists the University of North Carolina will be a part of it. Period.
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So you're saying Mizzou is good at football and that SEC expansion was not just about markets? Gotcha. I'm being told differently.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 7:29 AM
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I'm being told differently.
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About a lot of things.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:00 AM
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if Carolina leaves the ACC, it's as if they're surrendering to the football program. They've already been hurt by academic scandal involving bogus courses to keep football players eligible.
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Exactly. I smell wolf.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:20 AM
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Yes and no. If the ACC continues to exist as it is currently formulated, then yes of course UNC would never leave. If a few key members leave (UVA, FSU, or GT), then UNC won't feel obligated to remain in the conference.
I agree it's incredibly unlikely the Tar Heels would leave first, but it's equally unlikely they'll stick around if those others leave.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:09 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Expansion is and always has been about more than one thing like market or football or academics, but it would be incorrect to say that all three are equal for each league. Obviously, the ACC and the Big Ten would both like to enhance football as much as possible while increasing market and maintaining the academic prestige that it has. Both, however, seem to have made departures from their norm by adding Nebraska and Louisville in the past few years. My guess is that the SEC likely values football improvements less and would like to focus on the other criteria more like strengthening their academic status and expanding markets into the border states wit the largest populations. Seems like if football was the only driver, they would have added FSU, VT, Oklahoma or WVU instead of Missouri. And if basketball was all that the ACC cared about, I don't know why Syracuse wouldn't have been added ahead of BC and Miami. It's all three criteria though and anyone saying that it is only about one of the three is being overly simplistic about the whole thing.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:17 AM
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Expansion is and always has been about more than one thing like market or football or academics, but it would be incorrect to say that all three are equal for each league. Obviously, the ACC and the Big Ten would both like to enhance football as much as possible while increasing market and maintaining the academic prestige that it has. Both, however, seem to have made departures from their norm by adding Nebraska and Louisville in the past few years. My guess is that the SEC likely values football improvements less and would like to focus on the other criteria more like strengthening their academic status and expanding markets into the border states wit the largest populations. Seems like if football was the only driver, they would have added FSU, VT, Oklahoma or WVU instead of Missouri. And if basketball was all that the ACC cared about, I don't know why Syracuse wouldn't have been added ahead of BC and Miami. It's all three criteria though and anyone saying that it is only about one of the three is being overly simplistic about the whole thing.
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Good points, Cornbread. It's not just one factor, it's a little more complex, and it varies not only from one conference to another, but varies also based upon the timing. The ACC would not likely have jumped at Louisville so quickly without the Maryland defection. No offense intended to Louisville...
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:39 AM
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Expansion is and always has been about more than one thing like market or football or academics, but it would be incorrect to say that all three are equal for each league. Obviously, the ACC and the Big Ten would both like to enhance football as much as possible while increasing market and maintaining the academic prestige that it has. Both, however, seem to have made departures from their norm by adding Nebraska and Louisville in the past few years. My guess is that the SEC likely values football improvements less and would like to focus on the other criteria more like strengthening their academic status and expanding markets into the border states wit the largest populations. Seems like if football was the only driver, they would have added FSU, VT, Oklahoma or WVU instead of Missouri. And if basketball was all that the ACC cared about, I don't know why Syracuse wouldn't have been added ahead of BC and Miami. It's all three criteria though and anyone saying that it is only about one of the three is being overly simplistic about the whole thing.
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Good points, Cornbread. It's not just one factor, it's a little more complex, and it varies not only from one conference to another, but varies also based upon the timing. The ACC would not likely have jumped at Louisville so quickly without the Maryland defection. No offense intended to Louisville...
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You're right. It's not just one factor. It's two.... money and survival.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:46 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
With regards to academic integrity and joining the SEC, it all depends on who UNC would partner up with in joining the conference and what the University and Athletics decide to do with the financial boon. For instance, an SEC with UNC, Duke, VPI, and UVA would be very comparable or better academically to an expanded ACC.
Additionally, with the SEC ready to launch a new SEC network as soon as 2014, UK Athletics has committed to paying for the construction of a new 263,000 square foot Academic Science Building. That is how athletics and academics can work together with new TV products.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 11:21 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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Expansion is and always has been about more than one thing like market or football or academics, but it would be incorrect to say that all three are equal for each league. Obviously, the ACC and the Big Ten would both like to enhance football as much as possible while increasing market and maintaining the academic prestige that it has. Both, however, seem to have made departures from their norm by adding Nebraska and Louisville in the past few years. My guess is that the SEC likely values football improvements less and would like to focus on the other criteria more like strengthening their academic status and expanding markets into the border states wit the largest populations. Seems like if football was the only driver, they would have added FSU, VT, Oklahoma or WVU instead of Missouri. And if basketball was all that the ACC cared about, I don't know why Syracuse wouldn't have been added ahead of BC and Miami. It's all three criteria though and anyone saying that it is only about one of the three is being overly simplistic about the whole thing.
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Good points, Cornbread. It's not just one factor, it's a little more complex, and it varies not only from one conference to another, but varies also based upon the timing. The ACC would not likely have jumped at Louisville so quickly without the Maryland defection. No offense intended to Louisville...
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You're right. It's not just one factor. It's two.... money and survival.
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Fear Factor?
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:03 PM
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Absolutely. After all, it's only been about...well...THIRTEEN years since that prestigious league won a National Title.
In fact, this 'premier' basketball conference has won a grand total of ONE National Title since 1990.
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If you think that's bad check into the last time they won a title in baseball.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:27 PM
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Absolutely. After all, it's only been about...well...THIRTEEN years since that prestigious league won a National Title.
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If you think that's bad check into the last time they won a title in baseball.
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Since the ACC's last was in 1955 I don't think I'll talk much.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:31 PM
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Yeah but they are the premier conference in the country.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 4:40 PM
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Expansion is and always has been about more than one thing like market or football or academics, but it would be incorrect to say that all three are equal for each league. Obviously, the ACC and the Big Ten would both like to enhance football as much as possible while increasing market and maintaining the academic prestige that it has. Both, however, seem to have made departures from their norm by adding Nebraska and Louisville in the past few years. My guess is that the SEC likely values football improvements less and would like to focus on the other criteria more like strengthening their academic status and expanding markets into the border states wit the largest populations. Seems like if football was the only driver, they would have added FSU, VT, Oklahoma or WVU instead of Missouri. And if basketball was all that the ACC cared about, I don't know why Syracuse wouldn't have been added ahead of BC and Miami. It's all three criteria though and anyone saying that it is only about one of the three is being overly simplistic about the whole thing.
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^Bingo. Adding Texas A&M and Mizzou was about more than football. The SEC presidents want to raise the academic reputation of the league, and A&M and Mizzou help do that. I think Slive & Co. also added AAU members with the knowledge that the SEC would be looking east if realignment happened again and they wanted to make the SEC more attractive to target schools, i.e, UNC, UVA, and a couple of others.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 5:43 PM
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Expansion is and always has been about more than one thing like market or football or academics, but it would be incorrect to say that all three are equal for each league. Obviously, the ACC and the Big Ten would both like to enhance football as much as possible while increasing market and maintaining the academic prestige that it has. Both, however, seem to have made departures from their norm by adding Nebraska and Louisville in the past few years. My guess is that the SEC likely values football improvements less and would like to focus on the other criteria more like strengthening their academic status and expanding markets into the border states wit the largest populations. Seems like if football was the only driver, they would have added FSU, VT, Oklahoma or WVU instead of Missouri. And if basketball was all that the ACC cared about, I don't know why Syracuse wouldn't have been added ahead of BC and Miami. It's all three criteria though and anyone saying that it is only about one of the three is being overly simplistic about the whole thing.
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^Bingo. Adding Texas A&M and Mizzou was about more than football. The SEC presidents want to raise the academic reputation of the league, and A&M and Mizzou help do that. I think Slive & Co. also added AAU members with the knowledge that the SEC would be looking east if realignment happened again and they wanted to make the SEC more attractive to target schools, i.e, UNC, UVA, and a couple of others.
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Texas A&M certainly gives the SEC a much better academic image. Just me, but, I have NEVER heard Missouri mentioned as one of the better academic institutions nationally.
A&M, Vanderbilt, Florida, and, Georgia are a good solid group. UNC and UVA would help the SEC's academic image tremendously.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 5:46 PM
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I was actually skimming this thread to see when shadow would out the wuffie... looks like he got beat to the punch. Shadow, you're slipping.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 6:20 PM
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I was actually skimming this thread to see when shadow would out the wuffie... looks like he got beat to the punch. Shadow, you're slipping.
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I'm sorry guys, I have been giving them too much rope lately. :/
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Posted: 1/10/2013 6:46 PM
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I was actually skimming this thread to see when shadow would out the wuffie... looks like he got beat to the punch. Shadow, you're slipping.
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I'm sorry guys, I have been giving them too much rope lately. :/
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You're just getting soft is all. :D
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:53 PM
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Does anyone know when Maryland's Answer is due in the ACC lawsuit? There's some chatter of a potential settlement.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:54 PM
Re: Big10 or SEC? What will it be?
Its quite funny seeing the 'academic' comments. Do you folks fill up the football stadium to watch students take math tests? LOL!!! 0
I've worked for two fortune 500 companies and the HR people in charge of recruiting bright, new employees have told me they don't care what college an applicant has graduated from....just so they have that degree.
On an interesting side note, one of my professors in college let everyone know he had came from THE Ohio State University. Yes, he wore that distinction right on his sleeve (figuratively). In one of his more serious discussions he said the cheating in athletics could not hold a candle to what went on to get research grant money. Said he could write a book as to the goings on involved with that.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:55 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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Does anyone know when Maryland's Answer is due in the ACC lawsuit? There's some chatter of a potential settlement.
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IF there is a "settlement", then you can watch other schools talk to pick u p.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:21 PM
Re: Big10 or SEC? What will it be?
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Its quite funny seeing the 'academic' comments. Do you folks fill up the football stadium to watch students take math tests? LOL!!! 0
I've worked for two fortune 500 companies and the HR people in charge of recruiting bright, new employees have told me they don't care what college an applicant has graduated from....just so they have that degree.
On an interesting side note, one of my professors in college let everyone know he had came from THE Ohio State University. Yes, he wore that distinction right on his sleeve (figuratively). In one of his more serious discussions he said the cheating in athletics could not hold a candle to what went on to get research grant money. Said he could write a book as to the goings on involved with that.
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Wasn't it Bear Bryant who said, 'Next time you get 60,000 to come and watch a chemsitry experiment, you let me know?'
There are very bright people on every college campus. There are slackers. And, there are people who have absolutely no business whatsoever being there, either.
I've met folks from so-called elite academic institutions who had all the book learning you could ask for, but, they had all of the common sense that God gave a green apple. Not a recipe for lifelong success...LOL.
You know that as competitive as it is getting for grant and research money, that there are some backroom dealings, dirty pool, and, outright lying going on. So, your professor's comments are not all that shocking.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:25 PM
Re: Big10 or SEC? What will it be?
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--- TennesseeVolSEC wrote:
Its quite funny seeing the 'academic' comments. Do you folks fill up the football stadium to watch students take math tests? LOL!!! 0
I've worked for two fortune 500 companies and the HR people in charge of recruiting bright, new employees have told me they don't care what college an applicant has graduated from....just so they have that degree.
On an interesting side note, one of my professors in college let everyone know he had came from THE Ohio State University. Yes, he wore that distinction right on his sleeve (figuratively). In one of his more serious discussions he said the cheating in athletics could not hold a candle to what went on to get research grant money. Said he could write a book as to the goings on involved with that.
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So, your professor's comments are not all that shocking.
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I don't know... I find it kind of shocking that he is that proud of OSU.
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