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Posted: 1/7/2013 1:33 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
I take it that tarheelmiracle is not a Tina Turner fan. :)
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Did I misspell or something. No second handed emotion here. If you all want to be a part of a conference who views UNC collectively with ABC attached to it with such hatred, go right ahead. Splitting from those jackarses down the road that tried to bring UNC down can't come soon enough whether the Big 10 or SEC. I for one an DONE with the ACC. It isn't the ACC I remember. It is Big East, Part 2.
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To be honest, I loathe most of the schools in the ACC. The likes of Wisconsin, Michigan, PSU, Indiana, and Ohio State are starting to look better much better these days.
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"What's loathe got to do, got to do widdit?"
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Exactly. It's simply just a second-hand emotion. :)
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Posted: 1/7/2013 1:57 PM
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www.chicagotribune.com/sports/...,0,244829.story"Some sources within the Big Ten believe the conference won't stop expanding until it hits 18." First, this makes sense if the Big Ten's end game is 20 with Notre Dame. Get to 18, then wait for the Domers plus one more. Second, the Big Ten can't pick up four more (any time soon) without picking off the ACC. Would the four elite academic schools--UNC, Duke, UVA, and Georgia Tech--leave together? Why not? At that point, the Big Ten would have the best of the original ACC anyway (sorry Clemson and State). The division would be UNC/Duke/UVA/Georgia Tech/Maryland/Rutgers/Penn State/Ohio State and Indiana or one of the Michigan schools. I can see it happening.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 3:48 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Might try seeing a doctor...hallucinations are not a good thing :) --------------------------------------------- --- Carolina2009 wrote: www.chicagotribune.com/sports/...,0,244829.story"Some sources within the Big Ten believe the conference won't stop expanding until it hits 18." First, this makes sense if the Big Ten's end game is 20 with Notre Dame. Get to 18, then wait for the Domers plus one more. Second, the Big Ten can't pick up four more (any time soon) without picking off the ACC. Would the four elite academic schools--UNC, Duke, UVA, and Georgia Tech--leave together? Why not? At that point, the Big Ten would have the best of the original ACC anyway (sorry Clemson and State). The division would be UNC/Duke/UVA/Georgia Tech/Maryland/Rutgers/Penn State/Ohio State and Indiana or one of the Michigan schools. I can see it happening. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 1/7/2013 5:00 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
--------------------------------------------- --- Carolina2009 wrote: www.chicagotribune.com/sports/...,0,244829.story"Some sources within the Big Ten believe the conference won't stop expanding until it hits 18." First, this makes sense if the Big Ten's end game is 20 with Notre Dame. Get to 18, then wait for the Domers plus one more. Second, the Big Ten can't pick up four more (any time soon) without picking off the ACC. Would the four elite academic schools--UNC, Duke, UVA, and Georgia Tech--leave together? Why not? At that point, the Big Ten would have the best of the original ACC anyway (sorry Clemson and State). The division would be UNC/Duke/UVA/Georgia Tech/Maryland/Rutgers/Penn State/Ohio State and Indiana or one of the Michigan schools. I can see it happening. --------------------------------------------- I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine. |
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Posted: 1/7/2013 7:37 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- WesternStormer wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- Carolina2009 wrote: www.chicagotribune.com/sports/...,0,244829.story"Some sources within the Big Ten believe the conference won't stop expanding until it hits 18." First, this makes sense if the Big Ten's end game is 20 with Notre Dame. Get to 18, then wait for the Domers plus one more. Second, the Big Ten can't pick up four more (any time soon) without picking off the ACC. Would the four elite academic schools--UNC, Duke, UVA, and Georgia Tech--leave together? Why not? At that point, the Big Ten would have the best of the original ACC anyway (sorry Clemson and State). The division would be UNC/Duke/UVA/Georgia Tech/Maryland/Rutgers/Penn State/Ohio State and Indiana or one of the Michigan schools. I can see it happening. --------------------------------------------- I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine. --------------------------------------------- The ACC will stay in tack. |
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Posted: 1/7/2013 7:50 PM
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Would prefer Big 10 to SEC.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 8:12 PM
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I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine.
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Regardless of whether or not any ACC universities leave, the one thing I've learned is to NOT take university or conference officials at their word. Every time a major university leaves their conference (Miami, VT, TAMU, Mizzou, Maryland, WVU, TCU, etc...) they either proclaim their love for the old conference, or there is silence.
By the way, if FSU or Clemson leaves it will cause a mass exodus for the ACC.
Last edited 1/7/2013 8:13 PM by DeadeyeDirk
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Posted: 1/7/2013 8:40 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Keep shoveling
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I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine.
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Regardless of whether or not any ACC universities leave, the one thing I've learned is to NOT take university or conference officials at their word. Every time a major university leaves their conference (Miami, VT, TAMU, Mizzou, Maryland, WVU, TCU, etc...) they either proclaim their love for the old conference, or there is silence.
By the way, if FSU or Clemson leaves it will cause a mass exodus for the ACC.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 9:34 PM
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Good one.
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Keep shoveling
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I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine.
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Regardless of whether or not any ACC universities leave, the one thing I've learned is to NOT take university or conference officials at their word. Every time a major university leaves their conference (Miami, VT, TAMU, Mizzou, Maryland, WVU, TCU, etc...) they either proclaim their love for the old conference, or there is silence.
By the way, if FSU or Clemson leaves it will cause a mass exodus for the ACC.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 9:57 PM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
what the less sharp, among our visitors, do not realize is that UNC and dook actually voted against any expansion years ago, and that fact actually speaks volumes about UNC's attitude...
they have no idea what the PTB in South Building actually think about chasing the almighty $...
and UNC will never be first to leave, although I suppose that label already belongs to testudo...
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Posted: 1/7/2013 10:20 PM
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I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine.
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Regardless of whether or not any ACC universities leave, the one thing I've learned is to NOT take university or conference officials at their word. Every time a major university leaves their conference (Miami, VT, TAMU, Mizzou, Maryland, WVU, TCU, etc...) they either proclaim their love for the old conference, or there is silence.
By the way, if FSU or Clemson leaves it will cause a mass exodus for the ACC.
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Fair enough on university officials. The thing is, I choose to believe what UNC and UVA officials have said. Unless you've ever lived in NC or VA, you don't know much the ACC means in these parts.
If FSU AND Clemson leave, that changes things, for sure. If CU decides to stay put, thats another story altogether. I guess I choose to believe their FB coach when he said it'd be a mistake for them to leave the ACC, and, that they can accomplish everything they want here.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 10:22 PM
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what the less sharp, among our visitors, do not realize is that UNC and dook actually voted against any expansion years ago, and that fact actually speaks volumes about UNC's attitude...
they have no idea what the PTB in South Building actually think about chasing the almighty $...
and UNC will never be first to leave, although I suppose that label already belongs to testudo...
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I thought UNC and Duke were ok with expanding to 10 teams, by just adding Miami.
I know both were dead set against going to 12.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 10:27 PM
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Would prefer Big 10 to SEC.
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Because the only things you care about are BB and holding your nose up at everything else sports related.
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I know you are but what am I.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 11:12 AM
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Would prefer Big 10 to SEC.
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Because the only things you care about are BB and holding your nose up at everything else sports related.
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I know you are but what am I.
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NOG, my discussions with UNC fans off the board also seem to favor an SEC affiliation over a B1G union, with a viable ACC as the favorite of most.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 11:27 AM
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Would prefer Big 10 to SEC.
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Because the only things you care about are BB and holding your nose up at everything else sports related.
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I know you are but what am I.
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NOG, my discussions with UNC fans off the board also seem to favor an SEC affiliation over a B1G union, with a viable ACC as the favorite of most.
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Ok. Just not my preference. As to why that is, check with ShadowSpawne, who knows my inner motivations and speaks for me on those matters.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 11:31 AM
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Would prefer Big 10 to SEC.
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Because the only things you care about are BB and holding your nose up at everything else sports related.
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I know you are but what am I.
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NOG, my discussions with UNC fans off the board also seem to favor an SEC affiliation over a B1G union, with a viable ACC as the favorite of most.
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Ok. Just not my preference. As to why that is, check with ShadowSpawne, who knows my inner motivations and speaks for me on those matters.
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Indeed, we all have a right to our preferences. An important phrase in my previous poast was the concept of a viable ACC. If we can negotiate a roughly competitive TV package, I and many others would prefer to stay put in a legitimate ACC. But if the ACC becomes CUSA Part Dieux, strictly a minor league operation, I want out.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 11:59 AM
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what the less sharp, among our visitors, do not realize is that UNC and dook actually voted against any expansion years ago, and that fact actually speaks volumes about UNC's attitude...
they have no idea what the PTB in South Building actually think about chasing the almighty $...
and UNC will never be first to leave, although I suppose that label already belongs to testudo...
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I thought UNC and Duke were ok with expanding to 10 teams, by just adding Miami.
I know both were dead set against going to 12.
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you misspelled dook...
in any event, I do not ever expect to see the PTB chase the almighty football $ the way these misinformed visitors seem to think we will...
we will try to upgrade football as we have had to accept the fact that times have changed for the ACC, but that will never be the driving force that dictates UNC's behavior...
no facet of athletics will ever dominate in that way without massive change in UNC's administration which seems highly unlikely, and that is as it should be...
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Posted: 1/8/2013 1:42 PM
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I think he also cares about academic integrity. The SEC would be a big step down from the ACC in that regard, and the Big 10 would be a step sideways or perhaps an improvement. I think that's a valid consideration.
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Because the only things you care about are BB and holding your nose up at everything else sports related.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 1:56 PM
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I think he also cares about academic integrity. The SEC would be a big step down from the ACC in that regard, and the Big 10 would be a step sideways or perhaps an improvement. I think that's a valid consideration.
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1) I have been in discussions about these things with NOG for years, whenever they would crop up on the BB board. I don't have to "assume" what you meant, I have seen you post the same.
2) UNC's academic reputation will be sullied by being in the SEC? Really? Do you honestly believe that?
3) For the BB oriented, do you REALLY want to see UNC have to play against all those Big-10 teams who play like Va? Who think it is football on the court? The athletes we get to play in our system would be beat to death if we had to play teams like that all season. At least the SEC plays BB more like we do.
4) If we went to the Big-10, the SEC WILL take state. That will happen, then your preference will have the end result of giving the state of NC to the wuffies.
5) As mentioned above, our FB team would suffer as state rose to ascendency in state.
6) Our baseball team would die on the vine. The big-10 is a horrendous baseball league.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:47 PM
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1) I have been in discussions about these things with NOG for years, whenever they would crop up on the BB board. I don't have to "assume" what you meant, I have seen you post the same.
2) UNC's academic reputation will be sullied by being in the SEC? Really? Do you honestly believe that?
3) For the BB oriented, do you REALLY want to see UNC have to play against all those Big-10 teams who play like Va? Who think it is football on the court? The athletes we get to play in our system would be beat to death if we had to play teams like that all season. At least the SEC plays BB more like we do.
4) If we went to the Big-10, the SEC WILL take state. That will happen, then your preference will have the end result of giving the state of NC to the wuffies.
5) As mentioned above, our FB team would suffer as state rose to ascendency in state.
6) Our baseball team would die on the vine. The big-10 is a horrendous baseball league.
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ShadowSpawne, I agree whole heartedly with your assessment. Unfortunately, I think a bunch of egg-heads are going to make this descision (IF it comes to that) based primarily on academic influences.
Let's not understate the power of pride academic types feel when they get to congregate together. Athletics is a secondary concern, even when selecting an athletic conference with which to associate.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 4:15 PM
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I'm sure that many people question Vanderbilt's academics based on their affiliation with the SEC.
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I think he also cares about academic integrity. The SEC would be a big step down from the ACC in that regard, and the Big 10 would be a step sideways or perhaps an improvement. I think that's a valid consideration.
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Would prefer Big 10 to SEC.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 7:38 PM
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For all the UNC fans claiming that if UNC goes B1G and NC State goes SEC, that it would be the downfall of UNC athletics? UNC fans, have some faith in UNC. UNC can and should be very successful in the B1G.
If Cincy went to the SEC, you wouldn't hear Buckeye fans saying we are doomed.
UNC, pull yourselves together. You're much better and have may more potential than NC State. Believe in yourselves.
Last edited 1/8/2013 7:39 PM by WinchesterBUCK
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:41 PM
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For all the UNC fans claiming that if UNC goes B1G and NC State goes SEC, that it would be the downfall of UNC athletics? UNC fans, have some faith in UNC. UNC can and should be very successful in the B1G.
If Cincy went to the SEC, you wouldn't hear Buckeye fans saying we are doomed.
UNC, pull yourselves together. You're much better and have may more potential than NC State. Believe in yourselves.
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Winchester, I do believe that Carolina can be successful in either league. I agree we are better than NCSU, and, have more upside.
However, our two situations are not apples to apples.
Last edited 1/8/2013 8:42 PM by WesternStormer
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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:10 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- WinchesterBUCK wrote: For all the UNC fans claiming that if UNC goes B1G and NC State goes SEC, that it would be the downfall of UNC athletics? UNC fans, have some faith in UNC. UNC can and should be very successful in the B1G. If Cincy went to the SEC, you wouldn't hear Buckeye fans saying we are doomed. UNC, pull yourselves together. You're much better and have may more potential than NC State. Believe in yourselves. --------------------------------------------- Better look at what is happening in Texas after ONE year. Link to an interesting discussion on a Texas board about the Aggies taking over the state with their SEC affiliation: forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwthr...;o=0&fpart= A&M is already eating the Longhorns'lunch.Go to www.landthieves.com - this is an Oklahoma football board. Take a look at the discussions of how A&M into the SEC has made the better players now go to A&M to play in the SEC where they can compete against the best. The SEC firmly believes if NC State comes onboard instead of NC they will transform the Wolfpack into THE school in North Carolina....and the move certainly will. I understand you wanting the ACC to stay 'as is' but don't think for a minute if a seat at the SEC table is reserved for State that they will not pass you in the college football world. Check out the Longhorn and OU boards. |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:47 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- TennesseeVolSEC wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- WinchesterBUCK wrote: For all the UNC fans claiming that if UNC goes B1G and NC State goes SEC, that it would be the downfall of UNC athletics? UNC fans, have some faith in UNC. UNC can and should be very successful in the B1G. If Cincy went to the SEC, you wouldn't hear Buckeye fans saying we are doomed. UNC, pull yourselves together. You're much better and have may more potential than NC State. Believe in yourselves. --------------------------------------------- Better look at what is happening in Texas after ONE year. Link to an interesting discussion on a Texas board about the Aggies taking over the state with their SEC affiliation: forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwthr...;o=0&fpart= A&M is already eating the Longhorns'lunch.Go to www.landthieves.com - this is an Oklahoma football board. Take a look at the discussions of how A&M into the SEC has made the better players now go to A&M to play in the SEC where they can compete against the best. The SEC firmly believes if NC State comes onboard instead of NC they will transform the Wolfpack into THE school in North Carolina....and the move certainly will. I understand you wanting the ACC to stay 'as is' but don't think for a minute if a seat at the SEC table is reserved for State that they will not pass you in the college football world. Check out the Longhorn and OU boards. --------------------------------------------- A one year sample size? That seems about right for fans. Lets revisit this a decade from now. A&M's success has to do with an unbelievable QB and so far a capable coach. |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 10:03 PM
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Yes, they are in panic mode due to the fact both OU and Texas are not used to A&M taking the cream of the crop. It is early (A&M's first year) but if things stay the same I think we will see TAM pas TU as THE football power in Texas. Too many blue chips are going there because of the coach and the SEC. To most of the better players it does matter as to conference affiliation.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 10:12 PM
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Yes, they are in panic mode due to the fact both OU and Texas are not used to A&M taking the cream of the crop. It is early (A&M's first year) but if things stay the same I think we will see TAM pas TU as THE football power in Texas. Too many blue chips are going there because of the coach and the SEC. To most of the better players it does matter as to conference affiliation.
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Texas and Oklahoma's classes are just fine.
Texas' problems are not having a good QB.
Again, it is a one year sample size.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 10:18 PM
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Yes, they are in panic mode due to the fact both OU and Texas are not used to A&M taking the cream of the crop. It is early (A&M's first year) but if things stay the same I think we will see TAM pas TU as THE football power in Texas. Too many blue chips are going there because of the coach and the SEC. To most of the better players it does matter as to conference affiliation.
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Texas is UT, not TU. Being in the SEC doesn't give Tennessee a superior claim to UT anymore than is gives South Carolina a superior claim to USC or Carolina.
The jury's out on whether Texas A&M can be a *great* team without Johnny Football. If they don't collapse (a la Auburn after Cam Newton) after Johnny goes pro/is declared ineligible by the NCAA, then we can talk. Considering no SEC team comes close to the revenue Texas generates, let alone Texas A&M, all it will be is talk for a long time.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 10:20 PM
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Yes, they are in panic mode due to the fact both OU and Texas are not used to A&M taking the cream of the crop. It is early (A&M's first year) but if things stay the same I think we will see TAM pas TU as THE football power in Texas. Too many blue chips are going there because of the coach and the SEC. To most of the better players it does matter as to conference affiliation.
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Texas and Oklahoma's classes are just fine.
Texas' problems are not having a good QB.
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Agreed.
Texas fans are in panic mode because they have some mediocre QB named Ash while Texas A&M got the Heisman Trophy winner...someone they recruited before joining the SEC.
This needs to play out in time.
I'll say this...we'll never know for sure, but MAYBE A&M's move from the Big 12 cost them a National Title. We saw how they dismantled Oklahoma. They would've been the clear class of that league at the end of the season...and I believe could've beaten K-State.
An undefeated A&M in the old Big 12 may have been the #2 team last night...and could've whipped Notre Dame.
Instead, they played in that brutal SEC. They played LSU & Florida competitively but lost in the early parts of the conference season. By the time they hit their stride, they had 2 losses & had no shot at any title...conference, national, or otherwise.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 11:09 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- TennesseeVolSEC wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- WinchesterBUCK wrote: For all the UNC fans claiming that if UNC goes B1G and NC State goes SEC, that it would be the downfall of UNC athletics? UNC fans, have some faith in UNC. UNC can and should be very successful in the B1G. If Cincy went to the SEC, you wouldn't hear Buckeye fans saying we are doomed. UNC, pull yourselves together. You're much better and have may more potential than NC State. Believe in yourselves. --------------------------------------------- Better look at what is happening in Texas after ONE year. Link to an interesting discussion on a Texas board about the Aggies taking over the state with their SEC affiliation: forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwthr...;o=0&fpart= A&M is already eating the Longhorns'lunch.Go to www.landthieves.com - this is an Oklahoma football board. Take a look at the discussions of how A&M into the SEC has made the better players now go to A&M to play in the SEC where they can compete against the best. The SEC firmly believes if NC State comes onboard instead of NC they will transform the Wolfpack into THE school in North Carolina....and the move certainly will. I understand you wanting the ACC to stay 'as is' but don't think for a minute if a seat at the SEC table is reserved for State that they will not pass you in the college football world. Check out the Longhorn and OU boards. --------------------------------------------- My grandfather's alma mater brings truth! However, from what I have been told for 3-4 years by a UGA donor(childhood friend) who sometimes rides on the plane, ncsu is not a popular option. Vandy, UGA, ALA and FLA presidents have formed a consortium promoting a package of UVA and Carolina. The SEC presidents view expansion as a way to raise their academic profile. |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 12:12 AM
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For all the UNC fans claiming that if UNC goes B1G and NC State goes SEC, that it would be the downfall of UNC athletics? UNC fans, have some faith in UNC. UNC can and should be very successful in the B1G.
If Cincy went to the SEC, you wouldn't hear Buckeye fans saying we are doomed.
UNC, pull yourselves together. You're much better and have may more potential than NC State. Believe in yourselves.
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Winchester, I do believe that Carolina can be successful in either league. I agree we are better than NCSU, and, have more upside.
However, our two situations are not apples to apples.
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Agreed on both accounts. UNC would likely still dominate state, but it would give them a leg up initially and they are better situated to cause us trouble than Cincy is to cause OSU trouble. It is a legitimate concern IMO, but I don't think it would amount to much for them.
I suspect state would just get curbstomped in the SEC and their recruiting would not improve much at all (it couldn't possibly get worse, so maybe a slight uptick). state is, and will always be, state. The Heels would succeed in the Big and we would further distance ourselves from the Aggies. I still prefer the SEC for the potential rivalries. I could live with either.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 12:21 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Thanks for the laugh, I just hope the Big 12 can stay 'in tack' too. --------------------------------------------- --- AlreadyHome wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- WesternStormer wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- Carolina2009 wrote: www.chicagotribune.com/sports/...,0,244829.story"Some sources within the Big Ten believe the conference won't stop expanding until it hits 18." First, this makes sense if the Big Ten's end game is 20 with Notre Dame. Get to 18, then wait for the Domers plus one more. Second, the Big Ten can't pick up four more (any time soon) without picking off the ACC. Would the four elite academic schools--UNC, Duke, UVA, and Georgia Tech--leave together? Why not? At that point, the Big Ten would have the best of the original ACC anyway (sorry Clemson and State). The division would be UNC/Duke/UVA/Georgia Tech/Maryland/Rutgers/Penn State/Ohio State and Indiana or one of the Michigan schools. I can see it happening. --------------------------------------------- I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine. --------------------------------------------- The ACC will stay in tack. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 12:22 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
intact? --------------------------------------------- --- AlreadyHome wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- WesternStormer wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- Carolina2009 wrote: www.chicagotribune.com/sports/...,0,244829.story"Some sources within the Big Ten believe the conference won't stop expanding until it hits 18." First, this makes sense if the Big Ten's end game is 20 with Notre Dame. Get to 18, then wait for the Domers plus one more. Second, the Big Ten can't pick up four more (any time soon) without picking off the ACC. Would the four elite academic schools--UNC, Duke, UVA, and Georgia Tech--leave together? Why not? At that point, the Big Ten would have the best of the original ACC anyway (sorry Clemson and State). The division would be UNC/Duke/UVA/Georgia Tech/Maryland/Rutgers/Penn State/Ohio State and Indiana or one of the Michigan schools. I can see it happening. --------------------------------------------- I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine. --------------------------------------------- The ACC will stay in tack. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 6:13 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
They either speak up and proclaim their love or there is silence? What other options are there?
If there is a mass exodus, it will NOT be because of FSU or Clemson leaving.
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I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine.
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Regardless of whether or not any ACC universities leave, the one thing I've learned is to NOT take university or conference officials at their word. Every time a major university leaves their conference (Miami, VT, TAMU, Mizzou, Maryland, WVU, TCU, etc...) they either proclaim their love for the old conference, or there is silence.
By the way, if FSU or Clemson leaves it will cause a mass exodus for the ACC.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 6:23 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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They either speak up and proclaim their love or there is silence? What other options are there?
If there is a mass exodus, it will NOT be because of FSU or Clemson leaving.
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I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine.
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Regardless of whether or not any ACC universities leave, the one thing I've learned is to NOT take university or conference officials at their word. Every time a major university leaves their conference (Miami, VT, TAMU, Mizzou, Maryland, WVU, TCU, etc...) they either proclaim their love for the old conference, or there is silence.
By the way, if FSU or Clemson leaves it will cause a mass exodus for the ACC.
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You are insane if you think that wouldn't absolutely destabilize the ACC.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 9:20 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
--------------------------------------------- --- ButtCheese wrote: Thanks for the laugh, I just hope the Big 12 can stay 'in tack' too. --------------------------------------------- --- AlreadyHome wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- WesternStormer wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- Carolina2009 wrote: www.chicagotribune.com/sports/...,0,244829.story"Some sources within the Big Ten believe the conference won't stop expanding until it hits 18." First, this makes sense if the Big Ten's end game is 20 with Notre Dame. Get to 18, then wait for the Domers plus one more. Second, the Big Ten can't pick up four more (any time soon) without picking off the ACC. Would the four elite academic schools--UNC, Duke, UVA, and Georgia Tech--leave together? Why not? At that point, the Big Ten would have the best of the original ACC anyway (sorry Clemson and State). The division would be UNC/Duke/UVA/Georgia Tech/Maryland/Rutgers/Penn State/Ohio State and Indiana or one of the Michigan schools. I can see it happening. --------------------------------------------- I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine. --------------------------------------------- The ACC will stay in tack. --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- With all of the ranches, cows and horses in the Big 12 footprint, they need to stay in tack. Besides, I've always thought of them as tacky... |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:28 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
You are implying that FSU and Clemson are the only glue holding the ACC together.
Would UNC bolting to the SEC or B1G lead to a mass exodus?
Would Virginia?
Outline the teams that if they left would "destabilize" the ACC. If you are going to take the stance that a single team can do that, you could add few others on the list.
FSU and Clemson leaving will not be the trigger if that happens, something greater on the college landscape will be (ala the Big East imploding was not due to a single team leaving, but their inability to secure bowl deals and being relegated to the "have nots" in the new bcs scenario.
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They either speak up and proclaim their love or there is silence? What other options are there?
If there is a mass exodus, it will NOT be because of FSU or Clemson leaving.
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I don't. The ACC is not going anywhere. Both UNC and UVA have come out and said they are not leaving. Take them at their word. The four NC and two VA schools are a solid core. If those six, plus Tech and Miami, hold strong, this league will be fine.
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Regardless of whether or not any ACC universities leave, the one thing I've learned is to NOT take university or conference officials at their word. Every time a major university leaves their conference (Miami, VT, TAMU, Mizzou, Maryland, WVU, TCU, etc...) they either proclaim their love for the old conference, or there is silence.
By the way, if FSU or Clemson leaves it will cause a mass exodus for the ACC.
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You are insane if you think that wouldn't absolutely destabilize the ACC.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:38 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
--------------------------------------------- --- expatriateheel wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- TennesseeVolSEC wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- WinchesterBUCK wrote: For all the UNC fans claiming that if UNC goes B1G and NC State goes SEC, that it would be the downfall of UNC athletics? UNC fans, have some faith in UNC. UNC can and should be very successful in the B1G. If Cincy went to the SEC, you wouldn't hear Buckeye fans saying we are doomed. UNC, pull yourselves together. You're much better and have may more potential than NC State. Believe in yourselves. --------------------------------------------- Better look at what is happening in Texas after ONE year. Link to an interesting discussion on a Texas board about the Aggies taking over the state with their SEC affiliation: forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwthr...;o=0&fpart= A&M is already eating the Longhorns'lunch.Go to www.landthieves.com - this is an Oklahoma football board. Take a look at the discussions of how A&M into the SEC has made the better players now go to A&M to play in the SEC where they can compete against the best. The SEC firmly believes if NC State comes onboard instead of NC they will transform the Wolfpack into THE school in North Carolina....and the move certainly will. I understand you wanting the ACC to stay 'as is' but don't think for a minute if a seat at the SEC table is reserved for State that they will not pass you in the college football world. Check out the Longhorn and OU boards. --------------------------------------------- My grandfather's alma mater brings truth! However, from what I have been told for 3-4 years by a UGA donor(childhood friend) who sometimes rides on the plane, ncsu is not a popular option. Vandy, UGA, ALA and FLA presidents have formed a consortium promoting a package of UVA and Carolina. The SEC presidents view expansion as a way to raise their academic profile. --------------------------------------------- ^This. The 4 SEC schools you mention are the strongest academically in their league, and they realize what a coup UVA & UNC would be. It would instantly boost their academic credibility as a conference. The ONLY SEC fans I heard mentioning NCeSt were Miss. State fans, and they lumped the Wolpfack together with VPI as a package deal. It figures the cowbell crowd would be attracted to Moo U. Yes, one year is a small sample size, and maybe aTm just had the perfect storm, but I sense a polar shift in the Texas-Oklahoma football wars. Perhaps this is what the Mayans predicted, the Rise of Johnny Football? If you don't think the Horns and Sooners are concerned, you'd be wrong. And another old Texas rival, Arkansas, just snatched a coach who'd been to 3 straight Rose Bowls. The UT-Arky games of the late 60's were classics! Soo-ey! If I were Mack Brown, I'd be stocking up on Depends.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:42 AM
RE: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
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They either speak up and proclaim their love or there is silence? What other options are there?
If there is a mass exodus, it will NOT be because of FSU or Clemson leaving.
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Let me clarify my opinion on this. I'm not predicting that FSU and/or Clemson will leave the ACC. I'm adding those two universities to the list of UNC, UVA, VT, NCST, GT, Duke, and Miami as essential ACC members. If ANY of those schools were to exit the conference, I think it would cause at least some of the others to consider leaving. And then the situation could snowball.
Wake and BC would have little to zero effect if they left.
As far as taking officials at their word, you are right HellGrad85. There really is no other option other than proclaiming love or remaining silent. It would obviously be foolish to announce that a university is in discussions to leave conference A for conference B. But that is my ultimately point. Since no official ever admits that, even when it's really happening, it makes no sense to rely on any of their statements as evidence against possible realignment.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 12:41 PM
Re: Big10 Has Contacted UNC and UVA to Join
Are you high? The B1G is the premier basketball conference in the country.
Sounds like you have only seen Wisconsin play.
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3) For the BB oriented, do you REALLY want to see UNC have to play against all those Big-10 teams who play like Va? Who think it is football on the court? The athletes we get to play in our system would be beat to death if we had to play teams like that all season. At least the SEC plays BB more like we do.
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