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--- BuckyNut wrote:

No matter what anyone has to say you won't believe that the almighty SEC is not as good as perceived.

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Why would my opinion of the SEC be swayed at all by what someone says when I have on field results to form an opinion?!? Particularly someone who calls himself Buckynut and is obviously pro-tOSU and pro-B1G and has a clear agenda that is contrary to what reason and logic would tell us. I am not a B1G or an SEC guy but it is pretty obvious who the better football conference is if you look at it objectively. Furthermore, it is NOT close and anything you say to the contrary will (thankfully) not prevent me the ability to make that comparison accurately whenever I feel the urge to do so.

God forbid you join the Big 10 and have to deal with the OSU and Mich and MSU and IL fans. I lived there for 5 years, it sucked old balls.





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--- BuckyNut wrote:

No matter what anyone has to say you won't believe that the almighty SEC is not as good as perceived.

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Why would my opinion of the SEC be swayed at all by what someone says when I have on field results to form an opinion?!? Particularly someone who calls himself Buckynut and is obviously pro-tOSU and pro-B1G and has a clear agenda that is contrary to what reason and logic would tell us. I am not a B1G or an SEC guy but it is pretty obvious who the better football conference is if you look at it objectively. Furthermore, it is NOT close and anything you say to the contrary will (thankfully) not prevent me the ability to make that comparison accurately whenever I feel the urge to do so.

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I seriously doubt that Ohio State, Michigan, and Michigan State would EVER be in the same "pod". In the unimaginable event that such should happen, Georgia Tech would deserve every bit of that. Hello.

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--- Heel2K wrote:

If we went to the B1G, hypothetically with UVA and Duke, and perhaps GTech:

B1G West: MN, Neb, Iowa, Wisc, Illinois, NW, Purdue, IN (ND, Pitt?)
B1G East: UNC, UVA, MD, PSU, Rutgers, OSU, UM, MSU (GTech, Duke)

(Or switch Pitt and MSU if that all worked out)

And if we went to the SEC, hypothetically also with UVA, and perhaps Duke:

SEC East: UVA, UNC, USCar, UF, UGA, Tenn, Kentucky, Vandy (Duke?)
SEC West: LSU, TAMU, Mizzou, Arky, Miss, MSST, Auburn, Bama (KU?)

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If UVa and Ga Tech bolt for the Big Ten, as is the current rumor floating around, I would expect UNC and Duke to go to the SEC. If so, I would think you're not far off:

SEC East: [North Carolina, Duke, South Carolina, Tennessee], [Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Kentucky]
SEC West: [Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State], [LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri]

B1G East: [Virginia, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers], [Georgia Tech, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State]
B1G West: [Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern], [Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska]

[Potential pod formats in brackets]

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The Big Ten would want to ensure that Michigan and Ohio State play every year, so I went with the simplest solution. But they could rearrange the two central pods and have a set out-of-pod rivalry game.

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--- frades wrote:

I seriously doubt that Ohio State, Michigan, and Michigan State would EVER be in the same "pod". In the unimaginable event that such should happen, Georgia Tech would deserve every bit of that. Hello.

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--- Carolina2009 wrote:


If UVa and Ga Tech bolt for the Big Ten, as is the current rumor floating around, I would expect UNC and Duke to go to the SEC. If so, I would think you're not far off:

SEC East: [North Carolina, Duke, South Carolina, Tennessee], [Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Kentucky]
SEC West: [Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State], [LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri]

B1G East: [Virginia, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers], [Georgia Tech, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State]
B1G West: [Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern], [Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska]

[Potential pod formats in brackets]

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I understand where you are coming from, but I just don't see a scenario where we split up with UVA. We are basically sister schools. UNC has had more athletic success recently, but UVA and UNC have been competing regularly since the 1870s.

If we only get to keep one of UVA, Duke, and NCSU, I'd bet we keep UVA.

That being said, I don't think it's insane to think the SEC would consider UNC, UVA, AND Duke. UMD/KU are the best options for that last spot to get to 18.

For the sake of argument:

SEC East: [UVA, UNC, UK, USCe], [UF, UGA, Tenn, Vandy]
SEC West: [LSU, TAMU, Ark, Mizzou], [Miss, MSST, Aub, Bama]


If the SEC wants to go beyond 16, Duke, Maryland, Kansas, UTexas, OU, are all real possibilities.



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--- Heel2K wrote:

If we went to the B1G, hypothetically with UVA and Duke, and perhaps GTech:

B1G West: MN, Neb, Iowa, Wisc, Illinois, NW, Purdue, IN (ND, Pitt?)
B1G East: UNC, UVA, MD, PSU, Rutgers, OSU, UM, MSU (GTech, Duke)

(Or switch Pitt and MSU if that all worked out)

And if we went to the SEC, hypothetically also with UVA, and perhaps Duke:

SEC East: UVA, UNC, USCar, UF, UGA, Tenn, Kentucky, Vandy (Duke?)
SEC West: LSU, TAMU, Mizzou, Arky, Miss, MSST, Auburn, Bama (KU?)

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If UVa and Ga Tech bolt for the Big Ten, as is the current rumor floating around, I would expect UNC and Duke to go to the SEC. If so, I would think you're not far off:

SEC East: [North Carolina, Duke, South Carolina, Tennessee], [Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Kentucky]
SEC West: [Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State], [LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri]

B1G East: [Virginia, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers], [Georgia Tech, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State]
B1G West: [Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern], [Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska]

[Potential pod formats in brackets]

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Heel2k I like your thinking. However, if this happens and the SEC goes beyond 16, I do think that FSU and maybe Clemson have a shot. In fact some rumors say the SEC might offer FSU, just to make the ACC fall apart so that they can get into NC and Va markets. FSU would go in a flash.

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--- Heel2K wrote:

I understand where you are coming from, but I just don't see a scenario where we split up with UVA. We are basically sister schools. UNC has had more athletic success recently, but UVA and UNC have been competing regularly since the 1870s.

If we only get to keep one of UVA, Duke, and NCSU, I'd bet we keep UVA.

That being said, I don't think it's insane to think the SEC would consider UNC, UVA, AND Duke. UMD/KU are the best options for that last spot to get to 18.

For the sake of argument:

SEC East: [UVA, UNC, UK, USCe], [UF, UGA, Tenn, Vandy]
SEC West: [LSU, TAMU, Ark, Mizzou], [Miss, MSST, Aub, Bama]


If the SEC wants to go beyond 16, Duke, Maryland, Kansas, UTexas, OU, are all real possibilities.



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--- Heel2K wrote:

If we went to the B1G, hypothetically with UVA and Duke, and perhaps GTech:

B1G West: MN, Neb, Iowa, Wisc, Illinois, NW, Purdue, IN (ND, Pitt?)
B1G East: UNC, UVA, MD, PSU, Rutgers, OSU, UM, MSU (GTech, Duke)

(Or switch Pitt and MSU if that all worked out)

And if we went to the SEC, hypothetically also with UVA, and perhaps Duke:

SEC East: UVA, UNC, USCar, UF, UGA, Tenn, Kentucky, Vandy (Duke?)
SEC West: LSU, TAMU, Mizzou, Arky, Miss, MSST, Auburn, Bama (KU?)

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If UVa and Ga Tech bolt for the Big Ten, as is the current rumor floating around, I would expect UNC and Duke to go to the SEC. If so, I would think you're not far off:

SEC East: [North Carolina, Duke, South Carolina, Tennessee], [Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Kentucky]
SEC West: [Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State], [LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri]

B1G East: [Virginia, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers], [Georgia Tech, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State]
B1G West: [Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern], [Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska]

[Potential pod formats in brackets]

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I appreciate it.

I think of the two/state exceptions, FSU is one of the few that could eventually happen, mostly because Florida is huge and has a crazy amount of viewers that favor FSU. The brand name is big and so is the state's population.
Clemson, unfortunately, is in a much smaller state. They do command viewers, but probably not enough to really be considered. GTech is even worse off.

It would be interesting if the SEC additions were FSU, UNC, UVA, Dook. Very interesting.

Even so, I think it is unlikely that the SEC will allow a second team in existing footprint states. Duke is just such a unique item. They are part of the greatest rivalry in sports (which they'd be adding), their brand is one of the most profitable, already have extreme hatred of UK, and have a fan base primarily located outside the SEC footprint without forcing SEC teams to travel far from home.

Add to that the fact that taking all three of UVA, UNC, and Dook keeps the B1G out of the South? You might have enough incentive there.

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--- frades wrote:

Heel2k I like your thinking. However, if this happens and the SEC goes beyond 16, I do think that FSU and maybe Clemson have a shot. In fact some rumors say the SEC might offer FSU, just to make the ACC fall apart so that they can get into NC and Va markets. FSU would go in a flash.

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--- Heel2K wrote:

I understand where you are coming from, but I just don't see a scenario where we split up with UVA. We are basically sister schools. UNC has had more athletic success recently, but UVA and UNC have been competing regularly since the 1870s.

If we only get to keep one of UVA, Duke, and NCSU, I'd bet we keep UVA.

That being said, I don't think it's insane to think the SEC would consider UNC, UVA, AND Duke. UMD/KU are the best options for that last spot to get to 18.

For the sake of argument:

SEC East: [UVA, UNC, UK, USCe], [UF, UGA, Tenn, Vandy]
SEC West: [LSU, TAMU, Ark, Mizzou], [Miss, MSST, Aub, Bama]


If the SEC wants to go beyond 16, Duke, Maryland, Kansas, UTexas, OU, are all real possibilities.



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--- Carolina2009 wrote:



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--- Heel2K wrote:

If we went to the B1G, hypothetically with UVA and Duke, and perhaps GTech:

B1G West: MN, Neb, Iowa, Wisc, Illinois, NW, Purdue, IN (ND, Pitt?)
B1G East: UNC, UVA, MD, PSU, Rutgers, OSU, UM, MSU (GTech, Duke)

(Or switch Pitt and MSU if that all worked out)

And if we went to the SEC, hypothetically also with UVA, and perhaps Duke:

SEC East: UVA, UNC, USCar, UF, UGA, Tenn, Kentucky, Vandy (Duke?)
SEC West: LSU, TAMU, Mizzou, Arky, Miss, MSST, Auburn, Bama (KU?)

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If UVa and Ga Tech bolt for the Big Ten, as is the current rumor floating around, I would expect UNC and Duke to go to the SEC. If so, I would think you're not far off:

SEC East: [North Carolina, Duke, South Carolina, Tennessee], [Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Kentucky]
SEC West: [Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State], [LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri]

B1G East: [Virginia, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers], [Georgia Tech, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State]
B1G West: [Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern], [Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska]

[Potential pod formats in brackets]

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As an Ole Miss grad, I think it's important to note a few things about rankings and the quality of an SEC education. First, even at places like Ole Miss and State, we really do take real classes in real buildings with indoor plumbing. We don't even take notes with Big Chief tablets and oversize pencils. It's all quite modern.

Second, Southern universities have traditionally been on a different trajectory than Northern universities. Many top Northern (and California) schools are capstone institutions, with tight entrance requirements and a large system of smaller institutions with looser entrance requirements. Top Southern universities have long been seen as places where a broad segment of the state's students should at least have a chance to succeed, hence lower entrance requirements. University systems and capstone institutions are a relatively new (last 30-40 years) development in most Southern states.

Lastly, academic rankings have a certain echo-chamber effect. Some schools have lots of alumni and decades old academic reputations that build on themselves. It's harder to lose your spot in these rankings than to claim one.

For the most part, a great education is available at any state university if you're willing to get it. But this preening act on your part of SEC schools having no academic value doesn't do you or the B1G any favors. You have great schools. We do too. SEC institutions have without a doubt raised the standard of living in their respective states through education, giving proof that the SEC schools are accomplishing their missions: to educate their students and make their states better places to live.

Football happens in the SEC 12 days a year. Education happens in the SEC every day.

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--- buckeye4573 wrote:


Im pretentious, by pointing out facts and truth? The sec is a joke for academics and dont care about their players as their oversigning policies are disgusting. If you offer a guy a scholly...let him finish with it..unless he cant make it academically or has legal issues.


Oh and who is your team....Id love to know

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--- NaturalStateReb wrote:

As an Ole Miss grad, I think it's important to note a few things about rankings and the quality of an SEC education. First, even at places like Ole Miss and State, we really do take real classes in real buildings with indoor plumbing. We don't even take notes with Big Chief tablets and oversize pencils. It's all quite modern.

Second, Southern universities have traditionally been on a different trajectory than Northern universities. Many top Northern (and California) schools are capstone institutions, with tight entrance requirements and a large system of smaller institutions with looser entrance requirements. Top Southern universities have long been seen as places where a broad segment of the state's students should at least have a chance to succeed, hence lower entrance requirements. University systems and capstone institutions are a relatively new (last 30-40 years) development in most Southern states.

Lastly, academic rankings have a certain echo-chamber effect. Some schools have lots of alumni and decades old academic reputations that build on themselves. It's harder to lose your spot in these rankings than to claim one.

For the most part, a great education is available at any state university if you're willing to get it. But this preening act on your part of SEC schools having no academic value doesn't do you or the B1G any favors. You have great schools. We do too. SEC institutions have without a doubt raised the standard of living in their respective states through education, giving proof that the SEC schools are accomplishing their missions: to educate their students and make their states better places to live.

Football happens in the SEC 12 days a year. Education happens in the SEC every day.

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--- buckeye4573 wrote:


Im pretentious, by pointing out facts and truth? The sec is a joke for academics and dont care about their players as their oversigning policies are disgusting. If you offer a guy a scholly...let him finish with it..unless he cant make it academically or has legal issues.


Oh and who is your team....Id love to know

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the claim that you can get a good education anywhere if you are willing to work is as true today as it ever was...

like my father before me, and his before him, we've gone to UNC for generations...

but when my son chose his school (after most in our family had moved west), and he decided to stay out here I didn't worry...

he will get out of his education what he puts into it...

and he will be successful in life as long as he's willing to work...

in some ways life actually is fair...

I won't try to deny a marginal academic superiority to the average Big 10 school, but the individual's effort is far more important in determining what they get out of it and employers are starting to recognize it.





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--- NaturalStateReb wrote:

As an Ole Miss grad, I think it's important to note a few things about rankings and the quality of an SEC education. First, even at places like Ole Miss and State, we really do take real classes in real buildings with indoor plumbing. We don't even take notes with Big Chief tablets and oversize pencils. It's all quite modern.

Second, Southern universities have traditionally been on a different trajectory than Northern universities. Many top Northern (and California) schools are capstone institutions, with tight entrance requirements and a large system of smaller institutions with looser entrance requirements. Top Southern universities have long been seen as places where a broad segment of the state's students should at least have a chance to succeed, hence lower entrance requirements. University systems and capstone institutions are a relatively new (last 30-40 years) development in most Southern states.

Lastly, academic rankings have a certain echo-chamber effect. Some schools have lots of alumni and decades old academic reputations that build on themselves. It's harder to lose your spot in these rankings than to claim one.

For the most part, a great education is available at any state university if you're willing to get it. But this preening act on your part of SEC schools having no academic value doesn't do you or the B1G any favors. You have great schools. We do too. SEC institutions have without a doubt raised the standard of living in their respective states through education, giving proof that the SEC schools are accomplishing their missions: to educate their students and make their states better places to live.

Football happens in the SEC 12 days a year. Education happens in the SEC every day.

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--- buckeye4573 wrote:


Im pretentious, by pointing out facts and truth? The sec is a joke for academics and dont care about their players as their oversigning policies are disgusting. If you offer a guy a scholly...let him finish with it..unless he cant make it academically or has legal issues.


Oh and who is your team....Id love to know

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the claim that you can get a good education anywhere if you are willing to work is as true today as it ever was...

like my father before me, and his before him, we've gone to UNC for generations...

but when my son chose his school (after most in our family had moved west), and he decided to stay out here I didn't worry...

he will get out of his education what he puts into it...

and he will be successful in life as long as he's willing to work...

in some ways life actually is fair...

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Removed. Please stop referencing these trolls. Thanks.

really wish the conversation around here would move away from denigrating those from other geographic areas and those from other conferences. UNC and its fans should be honored that (it appears) each of the Big 10 and SEC would like us to join their conference. the silly yankee hating that goes on around here is embarassing.

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--- HaroldButts wrote:

really wish the conversation around here would move away from denigrating those from other geographic areas and those from other conferences. UNC and its fans should be honored that (it appears) each of the Big 10 and SEC would like us to join their conference. the silly yankee hating that goes on around here is embarassing.

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Furthermore, as a native yankee I'm offended that anyone would lump us in with Big 10 trash.

Seriously though, before we even listen to what the Big has to say they need to change that leaders/legends thing. I'll certainly not be a part of any league with divisions named thusly. In fact, we should cancel all future contests with Big institutions until they undo that traveshamockery. I really can't get past that actually... I don't want to have anything to do with that league and the name of their divisions is the reason (and it's cold and flat out there in the hinterlands... but I can get over that).

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--- HaroldButts wrote:

UNC and its fans should be honored that (it appears) each of the Big 10 and SEC would like us to join their conference. the silly yankee hating that goes on around here is embarassing.

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Agree wholeheartedly. If you're going to discuss cultural differences, leave the 'yankee' crap out of it. Everybody here is capable of reasoned, rational discussion. Even in disagreement.

Even if you are pro-SEC (as I am), should it come down to that (and it won't), at least show our Big 10 visitors simple common courtesy. Its the right thing to do.

The ones who've ventured over here, for the most part, have been quite civil, and, very complimentary of the University. Most have stated that they'd be pleased to have Carolina in the conference. We should be gracious about it. For goodness sakes, we could be State, who nobody wants.

Typing that still makes me laugh. :D

If there are any outright trolls, let nasa and Co deal with them.

you need to speak with someone who knows the best friend of her cousin's neighbor.

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--- nasaHEEL wrote:

I contacted Jennifer Anniston for a date. No word yet.

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IC, where is the Southern hospitality?

BTW, the latest rumor is the first: UNC and UVA to the Big Ten.

I do think that the Big Ten would like to become the Big 2xTen. I suspect Delany is eyeing the ACC's four elite institutions (UNC, UVA, Duke, and Georgia Tech) plus Notre Dame and one more (Kansas?). Who knows how many he'll get.

I think UNC fans should be prepared to land in the BIG10. I cannot see the UNC's leadership settling for the SEC when UVA and/or GT are in line for BIG10 invites.

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--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:

The more and more I read this message board.... The less and less I want UNC in the Big Ten.

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Keep reading then...and recruit your friends to do the same thing.

As if anyone cares what your opinion is as to whether Ohio State "wants" us in the Big Ten. And folks call UNC fans pretentious...

We don't want to be in the Big Ten so if you don't want us, I think I speak for every UNC fan when I say we're okay with that.

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Word. I had some collards today at a BBQ joint in SC, and they were mighty fine! I agree with you, C&C!

Forget about UNC going the route of the Big 10! The move to bring Louisville into the ACC was the end of the academic-first mindset off the ACC member institutions! The thought process has shifted to long-term survival mode, maximum top dollar distribution of funds to the university, athletic department cost improvements (i.e. lower travel costs in SEC vs. Big 10), and greater fan base support in regards attending home and away games in the SEC for football obviously and being the big fish in the small SEC basketball pond!

It's SEC all-the-way!

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--- UNC85Heels wrote:

Forget about UNC going the route of the Big 10! The move to bring Maryland into the ACC was the end of the academic-first mindset off the ACC member institutions! The thought process has shifted to long-term survival mode, maximum top dollar distribution of funds to the university, athletic department cost improvements (i.e. lower travel costs in SEC vs. Big 10), and greater fan base support in regards attending home and away games in the SEC for football obviously and being the big fish in the small SEC basketball pond!

It's SEC all-the-way!

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"The move to bring Maryland into the ACC" is a confusing statement. They were 1953 charter members! There was no "move" by ACC members to add Maryland later, they were there from Day 1.

Oops......edited to read "the move to bring Louisville into the ACC........"

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--- UNC85Heels wrote:

Forget about UNC going the route of the Big 10! The move to bring Maryland into the ACC was the end of the academic-first mindset off the ACC member institutions! The thought process has shifted to long-term survival mode, maximum top dollar distribution of funds to the university, athletic department cost improvements (i.e. lower travel costs in SEC vs. Big 10), and greater fan base support in regards attending home and away games in the SEC for football obviously and being the big fish in the small SEC basketball pond!

It's SEC all-the-way!

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"The move to bring Maryland into the ACC" is a confusing statement. They were 1953 charter members! There was no "move" by ACC members to add Maryland later, they were there from Day 1.

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Texas is being courted by the BIG. Dennis Dobbs is reporting it. Don't be surprised to see OK is the Package or SEC

Texas has zero chance of going anywhere. The Big Ten may be courting them, but they're not going. They don't even want more teams in the Big 12, why would they go to a conference with 15-20? They like NOT having a championship game. They get to play regional rivals right now, and they are already the highest revenue-generating team in the country, by far. They have no incentive to go.



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--- Champ0024 wrote:

Texas is being courted by the BIG. Dennis Dobbs is reporting it. Don't be surprised to see OK is the Package or SEC

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Do you mean Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports? If so, link please.

Plus, the B1G would never stand for Texas to retain sole rights to The Longhorn Network.

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--- Champ0024 wrote:

Texas is being courted by the BIG. Dennis Dobbs is reporting it. Don't be surprised to see OK is the Package or SEC

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Oklahoma won't get the B10 invite. Neither will Texas Tech, or, Baylor. They would not take two schools from the same state. And, they would give up the contiguous (sp?) state requirement to land UT, the absolute biggest fish out there.

OU will have a tough time, because they and Okie State are a package deal.

I suspect that is a ploy by the BIG10 to keep ACC teams from being interested in the BIG12 due to the perceived instability.

The BIG12 wants to establish an "eastern" footprint that would include some current ACC universities. The problem with this idea is the BIG10 and SEC are preferred over the BIG12. So, they really can't take in any ACC schools unless both the BIG10 and SEC turn down those ACC schools first.

If for some reason universities do start leaving the ACC, I think the BIG12 will end up with Miami, Clemson, and Louisville. They might get FSU, but only if both SEC and BIG10 pass on the Seminoles.

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--- Champ0024 wrote:

Texas is being courted by the BIG. Dennis Dobbs is reporting it. Don't be surprised to see OK is the Package or SEC

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--- supergnat85 wrote:

Plus, the B1G would never stand for Texas to retain sole rights to The Longhorn Network.

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ESPN could buy it out, and, that'd solve that problem.

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--- Champ0024 wrote:

Texas is being courted by the BIG. Dennis Dobbs is reporting it. Don't be surprised to see OK is the Package or SEC

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I suspect that is a ploy by the BIG10 to keep ACC teams from being interested in the BIG12 due to the perceived instability.

The BIG12 wants to establish an "eastern" footprint that would include some current ACC universities. The problem with this idea is the BIG10 and SEC are preferred over the BIG12. So, they really can't take in any ACC schools unless both the BIG10 and SEC turn down those ACC schools first.

If for some reason universities do start leaving the ACC, I think the BIG12 will end up with Miami, Clemson, and Louisville. They might get FSU, but only if both SEC and BIG10 pass on the Seminoles.

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If you read some of the Big 12 schools' boards, there is already grumbling and unrest. Many want to expand back to 12 teams, or, more. Texas and Oklahoma do not. And, what they say, goes. Which is the root of the unrest.

Look for B1G to add UVA & UNC, then add GT & Kansas. Then wait on ND & Texas. All schools are in dialogue with the B1G as we speak.

One thing you need to realize....shoveling pure BS still renders a pile of BS, no matter how much you shovel.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

Look for B1G to add UVA & UNC, then add GT & Kansas. Then wait on ND & Texas. All schools are in dialogue with the B1G as we speak.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

Look for B1G to add UVA & UNC, then add GT & Kansas. Then wait on ND & Texas. All schools are in dialogue with the B1G as we speak.

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Forget Kansas. Florida State is a better choice.

UVA and UNC to the B1G chatter is starting to pick back up :) Only way GT gets a legitimate offer is if the B1G is going to 20 teams.

Divisions???
B1G West - Michigan, MSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue
B1G East - Ohio State, Penn State, ND, UNC, UVA, Duke, Rutgers, Maryland, GT, FSU?

I hope the B1G stops at 16.

Still more BS...perhaps you guys need another hobby like train track crawling.

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--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:

UVA and UNC to the B1G chatter is starting to pick back up :) Only way GT gets a legitimate offer is if the B1G is going to 20 teams.

Divisions???
B1G West - Michigan, MSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue
B1G East - Ohio State, Penn State, ND, UNC, UVA, Duke, Rutgers, Maryland, GT, FSU?

I hope the B1G stops at 16.

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--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:

UVA and UNC to the B1G chatter is starting to pick back up :) Only way GT gets a legitimate offer is if the B1G is going to 20 teams.

Divisions???
B1G West - Michigan, MSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue
B1G East - Ohio State, Penn State, ND, UNC, UVA, Duke, Rutgers, Maryland, GT, FSU?

I hope the B1G stops at 16.

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FSU = no chance

To be honest, I loathe most of the schools in the ACC. The likes of Wisconsin, Michigan, PSU, Indiana, and Ohio State are starting to look better much better these days.

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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:

To be honest, I loathe most of the schools in the ACC. The likes of Wisconsin, Michigan, PSU, Indiana, and Ohio State are starting to look better much better these days.

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"What's loathe got to do, got to do widdit?"

Would prefer Big 10 to SEC.

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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:

To be honest, I loathe most of the schools in the ACC. The likes of Wisconsin, Michigan, PSU, Indiana, and Ohio State are starting to look better much better these days.

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"What's loathe got to do, got to do widdit?"

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Exactly. It's simply just a second-hand emotion. :)

Oh no! Anything but the Big East!!!!!!

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--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:


B1G East - Ohio State, Penn State, ND, UNC, UVA, Duke, Rutgers, Maryland, GT, FSU?

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Did I misspell or something. No second handed emotion here. If you all want to be a part of a conference who views UNC collectively with ABC attached to it with such hatred, go right ahead. Splitting from those jackarses down the road that tried to bring UNC down can't come soon enough whether the Big 10 or SEC. I for one an DONE with the ACC. It isn't the ACC I remember. It is Big East, Part 2.

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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:

To be honest, I loathe most of the schools in the ACC. The likes of Wisconsin, Michigan, PSU, Indiana, and Ohio State are starting to look better much better these days.

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"What's loathe got to do, got to do widdit?"

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Exactly. It's simply just a second-hand emotion. :)

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