College football is insane, it is like if the NFC north got twice the tv money the NFC south got. It would also be like if they got 2 first round picks. It would be like if they automatically got a pass to the super bowl each year. It would also be like if they are allowed to pay twice the money to free agents. If NCSU can get to the SEC, UNC might as well drop down to division II

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--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:

The more and more I read this message board.... The less and less I want UNC in the Big Ten.

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Keep reading then...and recruit your friends to do the same thing.

As if anyone cares what your opinion is as to whether Ohio State "wants" us in the Big Ten. And folks call UNC fans pretentious...

We don't want to be in the Big Ten so if you don't want us, I think I speak for every UNC fan when I say we're okay with that.

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Nah we really dont care, UNC would be nice, but I hope they grab GaTech and FSU (And yes we should allow an AAU exemption for FSU).

I just find the academic snobbery funny when bashing State and such, but then wanting to go to a conference with LSU.....a school so bad, it's ranked with Ohio U (not OHIO STATE, but OHIO U) and that doesent include Arkansas and Ole Miss, Miss ST....which rival Louisville academics

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You are typical pretentious sanctimonious snob. Go back to your board with the rest of your smug friends.

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--- Mayisgreat wrote:

College football is insane, it is like if the NFC north got twice the tv money the NFC south got. It would also be like if they got 2 first round picks. It would be like if they automatically got a pass to the super bowl each year. It would also be like if they are allowed to pay twice the money to free agents. If NCSU can get to the SEC, UNC might as well drop down to division II

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The question is based on what? The b10 makes more money...better academics.....bigger fanbases...better in most sports....and will be number 1 in football again....like they hustorically are

define and link "most sports"

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--- Mayisgreat wrote:

College football is insane, it is like if the NFC north got twice the tv money the NFC south got. It would also be like if they got 2 first round picks. It would be like if they automatically got a pass to the super bowl each year. It would also be like if they are allowed to pay twice the money to free agents. If NCSU can get to the SEC, UNC might as well drop down to division II

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The question is based on what? The b10 makes more money...better academics.....bigger fanbases...better in most sports....and will be number 1 in football again....like they hustorically are

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Im pretentious, by pointing out facts and truth? The sec is a joke for academics and dont care about their players as their oversigning policies are disgusting. If you offer a guy a scholly...let him finish with it..unless he cant make it academically or has legal issues.


Oh and who is your team....Id love to know

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--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:

The more and more I read this message board.... The less and less I want UNC in the Big Ten.

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Keep reading then...and recruit your friends to do the same thing.

As if anyone cares what your opinion is as to whether Ohio State "wants" us in the Big Ten. And folks call UNC fans pretentious...

We don't want to be in the Big Ten so if you don't want us, I think I speak for every UNC fan when I say we're okay with that.

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Nah we really dont care, UNC would be nice, but I hope they grab GaTech and FSU (And yes we should allow an AAU exemption for FSU).

I just find the academic snobbery funny when bashing State and such, but then wanting to go to a conference with LSU.....a school so bad, it's ranked with Ohio U (not OHIO STATE, but OHIO U) and that doesent include Arkansas and Ole Miss, Miss ST....which rival Louisville academics

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You are typical pretentious sanctimonious snob. Go back to your board with the rest of your smug friends.

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Hustorically? Nice finish you buckeye idiot.

www.statefansnation.com/index....standings-2012/

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define and link "most sports"

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--- Mayisgreat wrote:

College football is insane, it is like if the NFC north got twice the tv money the NFC south got. It would also be like if they got 2 first round picks. It would be like if they automatically got a pass to the super bowl each year. It would also be like if they are allowed to pay twice the money to free agents. If NCSU can get to the SEC, UNC might as well drop down to division II

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The question is based on what? The b10 makes more money...better academics.....bigger fanbases...better in most sports....and will be number 1 in football again....like they hustorically are

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Hahah a typo....good for you...you got me!!!!!!!!!

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Hustorically? Nice finish you buckeye idiot.

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I want to stay in an ACC that survives as one of the big 4 or 5 conferences personally.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

I want to stay in an ACC that survives as one of the big 4 or 5 conferences personally.

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Thats what most of us want.

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I want to stay in an ACC that survives as one of the big 4 or 5 conferences personally.

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Thats what most of us want.

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While I understand that, the thought of UNC going to the SEC and forever burying state has an immense appeal.

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While I understand that, the thought of UNC going to the SEC and forever burying state has an immense appeal.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

I want to stay in an ACC that survives as one of the big 4 or 5 conferences personally.

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Thats what most of us want.

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While I understand that, the thought of UNC going to the SEC and forever burying state has an immense appeal.

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It does. And, I want nothing more than to destroy them, and, their mouth-breathing fanbase.

That said, lets drop the doom-and-gloom stuff where the B10 is concerned. That many of their fans would like us to come there is just as cool as many SEC fans wanting us there.

We could bury State, no matter what league we are in. As long as we win, recruits will want to come here. It makes no sense for us to say that winning will bring recruits in, but, that going to the B10 would automatically make them change their minds. OSU has had success recruiting in NC, so, it'd stand to reason that if we started winning consistently, we could keep some of those kids here at home. State is not going to suddenly become some sort of power in the SEC, simply by joining it. I mean, come on, its State, for goodness sakes.

Whether its the ACC, SEC, or, B10, if Carolina is winning football games, kids in NC will want to play here. Trips to OSU, PSU, and, Michigan are not consolation prises. Those are privileges, just as much as going to Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, or Athens are.

Look, I am not changing my stance. I still very much would prefer going to the SEC, if the ACC implodes. For reasons I have posted here numerous times before. The ACC won't implode, though, if we start winning OOC games again.

And, the B10 is not some sort of consolation prise. Its a big prise in its own right.

I value the ACC above either of them. No disrespect intended to either the SEC or B10. We are one of this league's founding members. And, as such, we need to do more ourselves to make it better.

WS makes great points.

Ideally, we'll end up salvaging the ACC and becoming more profitable so this mess can all stop. If not, neither the SEC or B1G is a terrible landing spot. While I agree it is better for NCSU if we go B1G, it's not like us going to the SEC and them to the B12 would instantly kill them. Similarly, look to SCAR to see how long it took for them to be relevant in the SEC.

If we went to the B1G, hypothetically with UVA and Duke, and perhaps GTech:

B1G West: MN, Neb, Iowa, Wisc, Illinois, NW, Purdue, IN (ND, Pitt?)
B1G East: UNC, UVA, MD, PSU, Rutgers, OSU, UM, MSU (GTech, Duke)

(Or switch Pitt and MSU if that all worked out)

And if we went to the SEC, hypothetically also with UVA, and perhaps Duke:

SEC East: UVA, UNC, USCar, UF, UGA, Tenn, Kentucky, Vandy (Duke?)
SEC West: LSU, TAMU, Mizzou, Arky, Miss, MSST, Auburn, Bama (KU?)

This all depends on how big the conferences get, etc., but with the B1G, we'd theoretically have UVA, UMD, PSU, UM, OSU and maybe Duke on the schedule annually. Not exactly a bad schedule. In the SEC, UVA, Florida, SCar, Tennessee, etc. Not bad either.

We'll be fine. I wish I saw the ACC as viable long term, but the league has the worst product at the worst time. What made the ACC a great conference 30 years ago is its undoing now.

GO HEELS. GO AMERICA.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

I want to stay in an ACC that survives as one of the big 4 or 5 conferences personally.

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Thats what most of us want.

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While I understand that, the thought of UNC going to the SEC and forever burying state has an immense appeal.

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It does. And, I want nothing more than to destroy them, and, their mouth-breathing fanbase.

That said, lets drop the doom-and-gloom stuff where the B10 is concerned. That many of their fans would like us to come there is just as cool as many SEC fans wanting us there.

We could bury State, no matter what league we are in. As long as we win, recruits will want to come here. It makes no sense for us to say that winning will bring recruits in, but, that going to the B10 would automatically make them change their minds. OSU has had success recruiting in NC, so, it'd stand to reason that if we started winning consistently, we could keep some of those kids here at home. State is not going to suddenly become some sort of power in the SEC, simply by joining it. I mean, come on, its State, for goodness sakes.

Whether its the ACC, SEC, or, B10, if Carolina is winning football games, kids in NC will want to play here. Trips to OSU, PSU, and, Michigan are not consolation prises. Those are privileges, just as much as going to Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, or Athens are.

Look, I am not changing my stance. I still very much would prefer going to the SEC, if the ACC implodes. For reasons I have posted here numerous times before. The ACC won't implode, though, if we start winning OOC games again.

And, the B10 is not some sort of consolation prise. Its a big prise in its own right.

I value the ACC above either of them. No disrespect intended to either the SEC or B10. We are one of this league's founding members. And, as such, we need to do more ourselves to make it better.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

UNC is a crown jewel of the ACC. The B1G wants UNC. It's not that hard to understand.

UNC fans should feel good about being wanted to badly. On the other side of the coin is WF.

The B1G is in a position of power right now due to their large alumni/fan support, large state populations (that are even growing but slower than sunbelt), huge research dollars with the CIC, and very cash lucrative media contracts.

The parts of the ACC are worth more than the sum. The ACC has a very bad network tv deal and way too many overlapping markets for one conference. It is expected by 2017 that B1G schools will be making over double what the ACC schools earn. That just doesn't work. SEC and Big12 will be expanding and want a piece of the pie as well.

No one is saying the ACC is bad or anything like that. When I look at expansion, it's all about dollars and new markets. It's nothing personal.

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Winchester, what if the ACC survives and thrives, and, is still here as is, in four years? What then? What will be the plan for high major D1 athletics at that time?

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Any thing can happen, but it is all about the money.

When you say thrive, my guess is you are talking about on the field. I have never mentioned any thing about on field performance, because it does not matter to a degree. Realize, if a program never wins it is not a national brand and probably cant even lead its market. When I think 'thrive', I think making money.

All I do is look at the money and markets. The ACC is far behind the other four conferences. That is a big problem.

The ACC currently has too many teams in the same markets. The parts are worth more than the sum.

The B1G, SEC, and Big12 want to expand. Fox is now a player, and NBC and CBS want in as well. They are thowing money at conferences for expansion.

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--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:

The more and more I read this message board.... The less and less I want UNC in the Big Ten.

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Keep reading then...and recruit your friends to do the same thing.

As if anyone cares what your opinion is as to whether Ohio State "wants" us in the Big Ten. And folks call UNC fans pretentious...

We don't want to be in the Big Ten so if you don't want us, I think I speak for every UNC fan when I say we're okay with that.

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Nah we really dont care, UNC would be nice, but I hope they grab GaTech and FSU (And yes we should allow an AAU exemption for FSU).

I just find the academic snobbery funny when bashing State and such, but then wanting to go to a conference with LSU.....a school so bad, it's ranked with Ohio U (not OHIO STATE, but OHIO U) and that doesent include Arkansas and Ole Miss, Miss ST....which rival Louisville academics

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Some of you Buckeyes have proven to be quite the ambassadors for the B10. Pretentiousness and hypocrisy at an alarmingly high level. Not to mention lack of maturity. Coming over to this board talking about how great the B10 is, and essentially saying "but we don't really want you guys".

Don't bother coming over here to post if you're just going to be a bunch of arrogant jerks. You aren't impressing anyone, or at least giving any favorable impressions.

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It does. And, I want nothing more than to destroy them, and, their mouth-breathing fanbase.

That said, lets drop the doom-and-gloom stuff where the B10 is concerned. That many of their fans would like us to come there is just as cool as many SEC fans wanting us there.

We could bury State, no matter what league we are in.
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What you type is true to this point, but ONLY if it is in a vacuum. UNC to the Big-10 would be a good thing... in a vacuum. |

UNC to the Big-10 and State to the SEC is a friggin' disaster, and you know it.

I am a Buckeye fan too, I like things the way things are too, But if the ACC implodes like we all expect it to then I want NC in the BIG. Look at it from are perspective. If the money wants the BIG in the NC market and they do. would you take NCSU over NC ? yuk. Some things are just better then others NC > NCSU.... Also for the guy who wrote that Yankees moving ( invading ) the south. Newsflash You are not a true southerner you stole this land a few hundred years ago from the true southerners. That is like saying don't steal the bike this week That I stoled last week.

Tell the Big "I Can't Count" conference to pack sand!

ACC (if ND commits as Full member)
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SEC.

No future with the Midwest mafia.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

Bottom line is there will only be four major conferences within the next 4 years. ACC will not be one of them.

B1G will add: GT & Virginia, then Duke & UNC, then ND & Kansas.

SEC will add: VT & NC State.

Big12 will add: FSU, Clemson, & Miami.


The powers that run college football (B1G, SEC, PAC, networks) want another higher division for the four power conferences. In this division, the athletes will get a stipend for their services and the NCAA will not have to regulate the schools. This is draining the budget of the NCAA and they do not have the staff for it as well. This will be for only football. It's happening, right before your eyes.

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I love seeing the overreaction of some, and I say some, of you UNC fans. Why in the world would you say that VT and NCState would rule. THAT is just an overly paranoid and uneducated quote - just absolutely hilarious! Thanks for giving me a good laugh.

It goes to show how un-informed some of you are in regards to the B1G and SEC. You are a basketball FIRST university. So WHY would you have this crazy fascination about thinking joining the SEC would be best for you? The B1G is MUCH better and more competitive in BB than the SEC. And in regards to football, the SEC is running high currently. That doesn't mean they will always dominate like they have. You guys are so funny though, but I'm sure this will fuel the fire for "We HATE the Big Ten!!!!" speech. I'm looking forward to having you in the B1G soon.

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--- heelsince68 wrote:

if this happens state and vatech will rule UNC and UVA.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

Bottom line is there will only be four major conferences within the next 4 years. ACC will not be one of them.

B1G will add: GT & Virginia, then Duke & UNC, then ND & Kansas.

SEC will add: VT & NC State.

Big12 will add: FSU, Clemson, & Miami.


The powers that run college football (B1G, SEC, PAC, networks) want another higher division for the four power conferences. In this division, the athletes will get a stipend for their services and the NCAA will not have to regulate the schools. This is draining the budget of the NCAA and they do not have the staff for it as well. This will be for only football. It's happening, right before your eyes.

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I love seeing the overreaction of some, and I say some, of you UNC fans. Why in the world would you say that VT and NCState would rule. THAT is just an overly paranoid and uneducated quote - just absolutely hilarious! Thanks for giving me a good laugh.

It goes to show how un-informed some of you are in regards to the B1G and SEC. You are a basketball FIRST university. So WHY would you have this crazy fascination about thinking joining the SEC would be best for you? The B1G is MUCH better and more competitive in BB than the SEC. And in regards to football, the SEC is running high currently. That doesn't mean they will always dominate like they have. You guys are so funny though, but I'm sure this will fuel the fire for "We HATE the Big Ten!!!!" speech. I'm looking forward to having you in the B1G soon.

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--- heelsince68 wrote:

if this happens state and vatech will rule UNC and UVA.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

Bottom line is there will only be four major conferences within the next 4 years. ACC will not be one of them.

B1G will add: GT & Virginia, then Duke & UNC, then ND & Kansas.

SEC will add: VT & NC State.

Big12 will add: FSU, Clemson, & Miami.


The powers that run college football (B1G, SEC, PAC, networks) want another higher division for the four power conferences. In this division, the athletes will get a stipend for their services and the NCAA will not have to regulate the schools. This is draining the budget of the NCAA and they do not have the staff for it as well. This will be for only football. It's happening, right before your eyes.

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I love seeing the overreaction of some, and I say some, of you UNC fans. Why in the world would you say that VT and NCState would rule. THAT is just an overly paranoid and uneducated quote - just absolutely hilarious! Thanks for giving me a good laugh.

It goes to show how un-informed some of you are in regards to the B1G and SEC. You are a basketball FIRST university. So WHY would you have this crazy fascination about thinking joining the SEC would be best for you? The B1G is MUCH better and more competitive in BB than the SEC. And in regards to football, the SEC is running high currently. That doesn't mean they will always dominate like they have. You guys are so funny though, but I'm sure this will fuel the fire for "We HATE the Big Ten!!!!" speech. I'm looking forward to having you in the B1G soon.

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--- WesternStormer wrote:


It does. And, I want nothing more than to destroy them, and, their mouth-breathing fanbase.

That said, lets drop the doom-and-gloom stuff where the B10 is concerned. That many of their fans would like us to come there is just as cool as many SEC fans wanting us there.

We could bury State, no matter what league we are in.
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What you type is true to this point, but ONLY if it is in a vacuum. UNC to the Big-10 would be a good thing... in a vacuum. |

UNC to the Big-10 and State to the SEC is a friggin' disaster, and you know it.

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You know where I was coming from all along, brother. I have not changed my mind. I still want the SEC first.

There is no way in 40 hells I would want to hand those sorry-arse wolpfackers their dream spot in the SEC. I am about hurting their athletics program (in a legal way) as much as humanly possible. Taking that spot leaves them in real limbo, and, that thought makes me happy. :)

They have no options, and, they know it.

Just saying that we as a fanbase need to be grateful that two leagues want us. And, that both would be great for us.

We could be State, who NOBODY wants. And, you KNOW that just burns their arses up...LOL.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

UNC is a crown jewel of the ACC. The B1G wants UNC. It's not that hard to understand.

UNC fans should feel good about being wanted to badly. On the other side of the coin is WF.

The B1G is in a position of power right now due to their large alumni/fan support, large state populations (that are even growing but slower than sunbelt), huge research dollars with the CIC, and very cash lucrative media contracts.

The parts of the ACC are worth more than the sum. The ACC has a very bad network tv deal and way too many overlapping markets for one conference. It is expected by 2017 that B1G schools will be making over double what the ACC schools earn. That just doesn't work. SEC and Big12 will be expanding and want a piece of the pie as well.

No one is saying the ACC is bad or anything like that. When I look at expansion, it's all about dollars and new markets. It's nothing personal.

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Winchester, what if the ACC survives and thrives, and, is still here as is, in four years? What then? What will be the plan for high major D1 athletics at that time?

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Any thing can happen, but it is all about the money.

When you say thrive, my guess is you are talking about on the field. I have never mentioned any thing about on field performance, because it does not matter to a degree. Realize, if a program never wins it is not a national brand and probably cant even lead its market. When I think 'thrive', I think making money.

All I do is look at the money and markets. The ACC is far behind the other four conferences. That is a big problem.

The ACC currently has too many teams in the same markets. The parts are worth more than the sum.

The B1G, SEC, and Big12 want to expand. Fox is now a player, and NBC and CBS want in as well. They are thowing money at conferences for expansion.

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Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

If this league can survive and really thrive for four years, there is a look-in clause in the ESPN contract for the ACC. Getting results on the field WILL result in the league getting paid. It might not ever be SEC or B10-type money, but, it will close the gap noticeably.

Maybe its pie in the sky type optimism, but, thats me. I think this league can get back to 1990s type success on the gridiron. Its just down to getting it done on the field now.

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--- heelsince68 wrote:

if this happens state and vatech will rule UNC and UVA.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

Bottom line is there will only be four major conferences within the next 4 years. ACC will not be one of them.

B1G will add: GT & Virginia, then Duke & UNC, then ND & Kansas.

SEC will add: VT & NC State.

Big12 will add: FSU, Clemson, & Miami.


The powers that run college football (B1G, SEC, PAC, networks) want another higher division for the four power conferences. In this division, the athletes will get a stipend for their services and the NCAA will not have to regulate the schools. This is draining the budget of the NCAA and they do not have the staff for it as well. This will be for only football. It's happening, right before your eyes.

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I love seeing the overreaction of some, and I say some, of you UNC fans. Why in the world would you say that VT and NCState would rule. THAT is just an overly paranoid and uneducated quote - just absolutely hilarious! Thanks for giving me a good laugh.

It goes to show how un-informed some of you are in regards to the B1G and SEC. You are a basketball FIRST university. So WHY would you have this crazy fascination about thinking joining the SEC would be best for you? The B1G is MUCH better and more competitive in BB than the SEC. And in regards to football, the SEC is running high currently. That doesn't mean they will always dominate like they have. You guys are so funny though, but I'm sure this will fuel the fire for "We HATE the Big Ten!!!!" speech. I'm looking forward to having you in the B1G soon.

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With people like Thorp at the helm of UNC I wouldn't scoff at the possibility of us joining the B10. It's definitely not out of the picture. I would much rather go to the SEC, but I also don't think that playing in the B10 will kill UNC football.

As for Bucky Nut, it's becoming common knowledge that Football is what brings in the most $$$ in college sports, so making a move that can possibly really help elevate the Football program isn't out of the picture(despite us being a Basketball school). Even for Basketball, the SEC would be fine for UNC. UNC-Kentucky games would bring in more ratings than any game the B10 would offer. The SEC could become quite the powerful B-ball conference if UNC and Dook joined. Having 3 of the top 5 all-time basketball programs in one conference. Also Florida definitely isn't a pushover when it comes to Basketball.

I for one look forward to more conference expansion lunacy in 2013. Keep it up kids! Rumor on!!!!!

With the ACC likely having a winning bowl record this year, who knows??? Maybe the fortunes are turning.
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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

UNC is a crown jewel of the ACC. The B1G wants UNC. It's not that hard to understand.

UNC fans should feel good about being wanted to badly. On the other side of the coin is WF.

The B1G is in a position of power right now due to their large alumni/fan support, large state populations (that are even growing but slower than sunbelt), huge research dollars with the CIC, and very cash lucrative media contracts.

The parts of the ACC are worth more than the sum. The ACC has a very bad network tv deal and way too many overlapping markets for one conference. It is expected by 2017 that B1G schools will be making over double what the ACC schools earn. That just doesn't work. SEC and Big12 will be expanding and want a piece of the pie as well.

No one is saying the ACC is bad or anything like that. When I look at expansion, it's all about dollars and new markets. It's nothing personal.

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Winchester, what if the ACC survives and thrives, and, is still here as is, in four years? What then? What will be the plan for high major D1 athletics at that time?

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Any thing can happen, but it is all about the money.

When you say thrive, my guess is you are talking about on the field. I have never mentioned any thing about on field performance, because it does not matter to a degree. Realize, if a program never wins it is not a national brand and probably cant even lead its market. When I think 'thrive', I think making money.

All I do is look at the money and markets. The ACC is far behind the other four conferences. That is a big problem.

The ACC currently has too many teams in the same markets. The parts are worth more than the sum.

The B1G, SEC, and Big12 want to expand. Fox is now a player, and NBC and CBS want in as well. They are thowing money at conferences for expansion.

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Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

If this league can survive and really thrive for four years, there is a look-in clause in the ESPN contract for the ACC. Getting results on the field WILL result in the league getting paid. It might not ever be SEC or B10-type money, but, it will close the gap noticeably.

Maybe its pie in the sky type optimism, but, thats me. I think this league can get back to 1990s type success on the gridiron. Its just down to getting it done on the field now.

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--- WinchesterBUCK wrote:

UNC is a crown jewel of the ACC. The B1G wants UNC. It's not that hard to understand.

UNC fans should feel good about being wanted to badly. On the other side of the coin is WF.

The B1G is in a position of power right now due to their large alumni/fan support, large state populations (that are even growing but slower than sunbelt), huge research dollars with the CIC, and very cash lucrative media contracts.

The parts of the ACC are worth more than the sum. The ACC has a very bad network tv deal and way too many overlapping markets for one conference. It is expected by 2017 that B1G schools will be making over double what the ACC schools earn. That just doesn't work. SEC and Big12 will be expanding and want a piece of the pie as well.

No one is saying the ACC is bad or anything like that. When I look at expansion, it's all about dollars and new markets. It's nothing personal.

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Winchester, what if the ACC survives and thrives, and, is still here as is, in four years? What then? What will be the plan for high major D1 athletics at that time?

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Any thing can happen, but it is all about the money.

When you say thrive, my guess is you are talking about on the field. I have never mentioned any thing about on field performance, because it does not matter to a degree. Realize, if a program never wins it is not a national brand and probably cant even lead its market. When I think 'thrive', I think making money.

All I do is look at the money and markets. The ACC is far behind the other four conferences. That is a big problem.

The ACC currently has too many teams in the same markets. The parts are worth more than the sum.

The B1G, SEC, and Big12 want to expand. Fox is now a player, and NBC and CBS want in as well. They are thowing money at conferences for expansion.

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Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

If this league can survive and really thrive for four years, there is a look-in clause in the ESPN contract for the ACC. Getting results on the field WILL result in the league getting paid. It might not ever be SEC or B10-type money, but, it will close the gap noticeably.

Maybe its pie in the sky type optimism, but, thats me. I think this league can get back to 1990s type success on the gridiron. Its just down to getting it done on the field now.

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With the ACC likely having a winning bowl record this year, who knows??? Maybe the fortunes are turning.

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Maybe they are.

Its certainly a good run thus far. Both Tech and Clemson winning yesterday, and VPI winning previously, is a huge positive. If FSU can not just beat, but destroy, Northern Illinois, it'll make for a good bowl season for the league. Lord knows, we need it.

Nobody cares what State or Duke do. ;)

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UNC is a crown jewel of the ACC. The B1G wants UNC. It's not that hard to understand.

UNC fans should feel good about being wanted to badly. On the other side of the coin is WF.

The B1G is in a position of power right now due to their large alumni/fan support, large state populations (that are even growing but slower than sunbelt), huge research dollars with the CIC, and very cash lucrative media contracts.

The parts of the ACC are worth more than the sum. The ACC has a very bad network tv deal and way too many overlapping markets for one conference. It is expected by 2017 that B1G schools will be making over double what the ACC schools earn. That just doesn't work. SEC and Big12 will be expanding and want a piece of the pie as well.

No one is saying the ACC is bad or anything like that. When I look at expansion, it's all about dollars and new markets. It's nothing personal.

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Winchester, what if the ACC survives and thrives, and, is still here as is, in four years? What then? What will be the plan for high major D1 athletics at that time?

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Any thing can happen, but it is all about the money.

When you say thrive, my guess is you are talking about on the field. I have never mentioned any thing about on field performance, because it does not matter to a degree. Realize, if a program never wins it is not a national brand and probably cant even lead its market. When I think 'thrive', I think making money.

All I do is look at the money and markets. The ACC is far behind the other four conferences. That is a big problem.

The ACC currently has too many teams in the same markets. The parts are worth more than the sum.

The B1G, SEC, and Big12 want to expand. Fox is now a player, and NBC and CBS want in as well. They are thowing money at conferences for expansion.

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Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

If this league can survive and really thrive for four years, there is a look-in clause in the ESPN contract for the ACC. Getting results on the field WILL result in the league getting paid. It might not ever be SEC or B10-type money, but, it will close the gap noticeably.

Maybe its pie in the sky type optimism, but, thats me. I think this league can get back to 1990s type success on the gridiron. Its just down to getting it done on the field now.

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With the ACC likely having a winning bowl record this year, who knows??? Maybe the fortunes are turning.

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Maybe they are.

Its certainly a good run thus far. Both Tech and Clemson winning yesterday, and VPI winning previously, is a huge positive. If FSU can not just beat, but destroy, Northern Illinois, it'll make for a good bowl season for the league. Lord knows, we need it.

Nobody cares what State or Duke do. ;)

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yeah, the ACC has done well, whent 2-1 yesterday and has gotten some big victories.....As a B10 fan, we need a few wins today, badly

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if this happens state and vatech will rule UNC and UVA.

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Bottom line is there will only be four major conferences within the next 4 years. ACC will not be one of them.

B1G will add: GT & Virginia, then Duke & UNC, then ND & Kansas.

SEC will add: VT & NC State.

Big12 will add: FSU, Clemson, & Miami.


The powers that run college football (B1G, SEC, PAC, networks) want another higher division for the four power conferences. In this division, the athletes will get a stipend for their services and the NCAA will not have to regulate the schools. This is draining the budget of the NCAA and they do not have the staff for it as well. This will be for only football. It's happening, right before your eyes.

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I love seeing the overreaction of some, and I say some, of you UNC fans. Why in the world would you say that VT and NCState would rule. THAT is just an overly paranoid and uneducated quote - just absolutely hilarious! Thanks for giving me a good laugh.

It goes to show how un-informed some of you are in regards to the B1G and SEC. You are a basketball FIRST university. So WHY would you have this crazy fascination about thinking joining the SEC would be best for you? The B1G is MUCH better and more competitive in BB than the SEC. And in regards to football, the SEC is running high currently. That doesn't mean they will always dominate like they have. You guys are so funny though, but I'm sure this will fuel the fire for "We HATE the Big Ten!!!!" speech. I'm looking forward to having you in the B1G soon.

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We will never be in the big-10. Will... not... happen. Keep dreaming.

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With people like Thorp at the helm of UNC I wouldn't scoff at the possibility of us joining the B10. It's definitely not out of the picture. I would much rather go to the SEC, but I also don't think that playing in the B10 will kill UNC football.

As for Bucky Nut, it's becoming common knowledge that Football is what brings in the most $$$ in college sports, so making a move that can possibly really help elevate the Football program isn't out of the picture(despite us being a Basketball school). Even for Basketball, the SEC would be fine for UNC. UNC-Kentucky games would bring in more ratings than any game the B10 would offer. The SEC could become quite the powerful B-ball conference if UNC and Dook joined. Having 3 of the top 5 all-time basketball programs in one conference. Also Florida definitely isn't a pushover when it comes to Basketball.

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FOOtbaII, I appreciate your common sense approach to your comments. I realize that football is where the money is and I also believe that a move to the B1G for UNC would be just as profitable. I honestly believe that a move to the B1G would be more beneficial for you guys in that while the SEC is riding high right now, you guys could come in and at least compete and have/be more relevant in the eyes of recruits by winning more. I guess it's all in the way you look at it.

And btw, I knew my comment about see you in the B1G would get to some of your more,um, uneducated posters. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Would love to see you guys in the B1G but honestly could care less either way.

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And btw, I knew my comment about see you in the B1G would get to some of your more,um, uneducated posters. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Would love to see you guys in the B1G but honestly could care less either way.

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So you admit to flaming? I'm trying to understand why, but what was your point for making the comment. Just to get a rise out of folks?

And by the way, it's COULDN'T care less, Mr. Educated. Saying you COULD care less means that you currently care. Saying you COULDN'T care less means that you don't care (so there is no way to care less).

Before we assume that the BTN model is going to continue its current level of profitability, I would wait to see what happens with the Rutgers and Maryland additions and how the addition of the BTN onto NJ and Maryland cable providers goes. There IS some doubt as to whether it's going to work out the way many BTN execs think it will. Much of the profitability of that model depends on continuing to garner profits from being on standard cable in those markets (and its current footprint).

I don't understand the sentence in which you say you "would love to (UNC) in the B1G" but in the SAME sentence say that you don't care either way. I'd love to understand how you would love something but not care. Would you love it if UNC WASN'T in the Big Ten also? That is the only way that it would come close to making any sense, and it wouldn't even then.

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Bottom line is there will only be four major conferences within the next 4 years. ACC will not be one of them.

B1G will add: GT & Virginia, then Duke & UNC, then ND & Kansas.

SEC will add: VT & NC State.

Big12 will add: FSU, Clemson, & Miami.


The powers that run college football (B1G, SEC, PAC, networks) want another higher division for the four power conferences. In this division, the athletes will get a stipend for their services and the NCAA will not have to regulate the schools. This is draining the budget of the NCAA and they do not have the staff for it as well. This will be for only football. It's happening, right before your eyes.

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I love seeing the overreaction of some, and I say some, of you UNC fans. Why in the world would you say that VT and NCState would rule. THAT is just an overly paranoid and uneducated quote - just absolutely hilarious! Thanks for giving me a good laugh.

It goes to show how un-informed some of you are in regards to the B1G and SEC. You are a basketball FIRST university. So WHY would you have this crazy fascination about thinking joining the SEC would be best for you? The B1G is MUCH better and more competitive in BB than the SEC. And in regards to football, the SEC is running high currently. That doesn't mean they will always dominate like they have. You guys are so funny though, but I'm sure this will fuel the fire for "We HATE the Big Ten!!!!" speech. I'm looking forward to having you in the B1G soon.

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We will never be in the big-10. Will... not... happen. Keep dreaming.

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With people like Thorp at the helm of UNC I wouldn't scoff at the possibility of us joining the B10. It's definitely not out of the picture. I would much rather go to the SEC, but I also don't think that playing in the B10 will kill UNC football.

As for Bucky Nut, it's becoming common knowledge that Football is what brings in the most $$$ in college sports, so making a move that can possibly really help elevate the Football program isn't out of the picture(despite us being a Basketball school). Even for Basketball, the SEC would be fine for UNC. UNC-Kentucky games would bring in more ratings than any game the B10 would offer. The SEC could become quite the powerful B-ball conference if UNC and Dook joined. Having 3 of the top 5 all-time basketball programs in one conference. Also Florida definitely isn't a pushover when it comes to Basketball.

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FOOtbaII, I appreciate your common sense approach to your comments. I realize that football is where the money is and I also believe that a move to the B1G for UNC would be just as profitable. I honestly believe that a move to the B1G would be more beneficial for you guys in that while the SEC is riding high right now, you guys could come in and at least compete and have/be more relevant in the eyes of recruits by winning more. I guess it's all in the way you look at it.

And btw, I knew my comment about see you in the B1G would get to some of your more,um, uneducated posters. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Would love to see you guys in the B1G but honestly could care less either way.

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I sort of doubt you're as apathetic as you say you are in regards to us joining our conference, considering you've come over to our board and talked about why we'd be better off in the B10.

A move to the B10 could possibly be more beneficial from both a sports and an academic perspective(definitely debatable), but I think one of the main reasons why we don't want to be in the B10 because it isn't really a good fit culturally. UNC is a southern school and people may feel out of place being a southern school in a midwestern conference. Granted the B10 could help quell this somewhat by adding schools like FSU, Georgia Tech, UVA, Clemson, Dook, Miami ect. But the SEC will always fit us better culturally, its not like we'll suffer academically too. Vanderbilt certainly doesn't have a bad academic reputation plus Florida, Georgia, and Alabama aren't bad schools either.

It really does depend on how you look at it because arguments can be made for both sides. I think we would still get a boost in football if we played in the B10, so while I still prefer the SEC over the B10, I wouldn't mind too much being in the B10, then again, I'm not speaking on behalf of all of UNC posters.

Pardon my slip on "could care less". And yes, I admit, I was flaming - sorry - I won't do it again. It's just that the worship of the SEC is quite ridiculous on here.

During the bowl season, it looks like the B1G is not as bad as some of you think. Your worship of the SEC just isn't producing the results a number of you were thinking. I mean, Northwestern??? Nebraska over Georgia (close game)??? We knew Purdue didn't have a chance and it's a close game with Michigan and South Carolina. But the almighty SEC is proving they are NOT that much better than the B1G.

I don't think anyone's opinions on relative conference strength should be formed based on the results of one bowl season. That is just silly. Most of the respect that is given to the SEC has been formed over more than a half decade of the conference dominating OOC play, Bowl games, and most importantly (and most unfortunately for both the ACC and the B1G), BCS bowls. Northwestern beating Mississippi State and Georgia Tech beating Southern Cal should change that very little.

No matter what anyone has to say you won't believe that the almighty SEC is not as good as perceived. Are they good? Yes, obviously. But so is the B1G. And the gap is only going to close due to changes occurring with a number of the top B1G teams.

The fact that the SEC has been on top for the past 5 years only shows they have had the better teams over that span, it doesn't mean they are going to continue that trend. Just sayin'...

Hey, if you guys go to the SEC that's fine with me. But like I said, I would love to see you be apart of the B1G as well.

Well "Bucky", The ACC was predominately a southern conference until the powers that be decided to devour the Big East. Many of us are having indigestion. But if it means the new members will ensure survival, then so be it. We miss the days of regional rivals and being able to actually go to away venues. Unless the BIG swallows a big hunk of the old ACC, we will surely loose that. IF we have to choose another conference, I think most of us would prefer the SEC as it is most like the old ACC and gives us new members like little carolina, tenn. ga. ky. etc. If we go SEC you can bet we will have company.
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Pardon my slip on "could care less". And yes, I admit, I was flaming - sorry - I won't do it again. It's just that the worship of the SEC is quite ridiculous on here.

During the bowl season, it looks like the B1G is not as bad as some of you think. Your worship of the SEC just isn't producing the results a number of you were thinking. I mean, Northwestern??? Nebraska over Georgia (close game)??? We knew Purdue didn't have a chance and it's a close game with Michigan and South Carolina. But the almighty SEC is proving they are NOT that much better than the B1G.

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No matter what anyone has to say you won't believe that the almighty SEC is not as good as perceived. Are they good? Yes, obviously. But so is the B1G. And the gap is only going to close due to changes occurring with a number of the top B1G teams.

The fact that the SEC has been on top for the past 5 years only shows they have had the better teams over that span, it doesn't mean they are going to continue that trend. Just sayin'...

Hey, if you guys go to the SEC that's fine with me. But like I said, I would love to see you be apart of the B1G as well.

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Nut,
You are out of your mind if you think the B1G is anywhere near as good as the SEC. OSU, the best team would lose 2-3 games in the SEC. You have no one else that would be better than 5th in the SEC. The ACC at present has better talent than the B1G if not better coaching. Your conference champion lost its coach to a second tier SEC school. SMH!

The B1G started dying with integration in the South and when the economy tanked you lost life support. You simply can't get the talent necessary to win at the highest level now. Those kids stay home and that is not going to change. In fact, the better local talent will be leaving your area as time goes by. Who in their right mind would choose Lansing, Columbus, Lafayette, Ann Arbor Champaign etc... over Athens, Gainesville, Chapel Hill, Tuscalosa, Clemson, Tallahassee etc.. especially for the 6-8 months a year your weather sucks?

What happened during the B1G's heyday when you could recruit the best players from the South is now reversed. The schools in the Southeast will be taking many of the few players from the Midwest that could compete at the highest level especially skill players. Wide Receivers wear gloves to help them catch not to fight off frostbite.

The B1G was America's most important conference for most of the 20th Century.It has great history. Times have changed. You no longer have any advantages and the Southeast does. Do words like demographics, jobs, climate, cost of living and quality of life have any meaning to you?

Your pie in the sky aspirations for the B1G Network will never come to fruition and you will have the basket case Maryland begging for handouts along with Rutgers. There is virtually no chance that network generates anywhere the revenue you dream about. The SEC Network will surpass it easily and the ACC Network will be close within the short term (5-10 years) and superior long term.

Your region is dead. Your attempt to tax cable television viewers has already begun to fail and ala carte television/internet will kill your 2000 business model.

ex look, I know you hate the B10 and love the SEC, good for you. But the B10 is close to the SEC, Northwestern beat Miss State, Georgia beat Nebraska, both were by 2 scores. Michigan lost by one score. And this is with 2 of the 3 best B10 teams not eligible. Do you watch the games or just like to repeat the SEC talking points? Georgia is the second best team in the SEC and Nebraska the 3rd (lost to Wisconsin and OSU, who was UNDEFEATED....we are the B10 champs, regardless of some BS probation)

Secon, if Nebraska stayed close to Georgia, who was 5 yards from being the SEC champ, then OSU who beat Nebraska senseless would do a little better than have 2-3 losses. Where do you get this BS???? Do you just buy what the media tells you? You must be a democrat, they love democrats and the SEC....you go bro!

And considering the B10 beats the ACC every time they play, I wouldnt talk up the ACC while bashing the B10, most of our bowl losses have been to the SEC, but the SEC holds a HUGE 12-10 advantage in the Cap ONE bowl, over 20+ years....that's not domination....you are a moron.

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No matter what anyone has to say you won't believe that the almighty SEC is not as good as perceived. Are they good? Yes, obviously. But so is the B1G. And the gap is only going to close due to changes occurring with a number of the top B1G teams.

The fact that the SEC has been on top for the past 5 years only shows they have had the better teams over that span, it doesn't mean they are going to continue that trend. Just sayin'...

Hey, if you guys go to the SEC that's fine with me. But like I said, I would love to see you be apart of the B1G as well.

And our region is not dead.....are you the cliche master or what? You have no clue....none at all....Noone wants to watch the ACC, which is why your second best bowl game is New Years EVE......

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Nut,
You are out of your mind if you think the B1G is anywhere near as good as the SEC. OSU, the best team would lose 2-3 games in the SEC. You have no one else that would be better than 5th in the SEC. The ACC at present has better talent than the B1G if not better coaching. Your conference champion lost its coach to a second tier SEC school. SMH!

The B1G started dying with integration in the South and when the economy tanked you lost life support. You simply can't get the talent necessary to win at the highest level now. Those kids stay home and that is not going to change. In fact, the better local talent will be leaving your area as time goes by. Who in their right mind would choose Lansing, Columbus, Lafayette, Ann Arbor Champaign etc... over Athens, Gainesville, Chapel Hill, Tuscalosa, Clemson, Tallahassee etc.. especially for the 6-8 months a year your weather sucks?

What happened during the B1G's heyday when you could recruit the best players from the South is now reversed. The schools in the Southeast will be taking many of the few players from the Midwest that could compete at the highest level especially skill players. Wide Receivers wear gloves to help them catch not to fight off frostbite.

The B1G was America's most important conference for most of the 20th Century.It has great history. Times have changed. You no longer have any advantages and the Southeast does. Do words like demographics, jobs, climate, cost of living and quality of life have any meaning to you?

Your pie in the sky aspirations for the B1G Network will never come to fruition and you will have the basket case Maryland begging for handouts along with Rutgers. There is virtually no chance that network generates anywhere the revenue you dream about. The SEC Network will surpass it easily and the ACC Network will be close within the short term (5-10 years) and superior long term.

Your region is dead. Your attempt to tax cable television viewers has already begun to fail and ala carte television/internet will kill your 2000 business model.

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If we went to the B1G, hypothetically with UVA and Duke, and perhaps GTech:

B1G West: MN, Neb, Iowa, Wisc, Illinois, NW, Purdue, IN (ND, Pitt?)
B1G East: UNC, UVA, MD, PSU, Rutgers, OSU, UM, MSU (GTech, Duke)

(Or switch Pitt and MSU if that all worked out)

And if we went to the SEC, hypothetically also with UVA, and perhaps Duke:

SEC East: UVA, UNC, USCar, UF, UGA, Tenn, Kentucky, Vandy (Duke?)
SEC West: LSU, TAMU, Mizzou, Arky, Miss, MSST, Auburn, Bama (KU?)

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If UVa and Ga Tech bolt for the Big Ten, as is the current rumor floating around, I would expect UNC and Duke to go to the SEC. If so, I would think you're not far off:

SEC East: [North Carolina, Duke, South Carolina, Tennessee], [Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Kentucky]
SEC West: [Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State], [LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri]

B1G East: [Virginia, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers], [Georgia Tech, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State]
B1G West: [Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern], [Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska]

[Potential pod formats in brackets]