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Since a good portion of this grant money is coming from the printing press based on bonds purchased by the FED, instead of from the tax coffers, and seeing that the gravy train is about to derail, I am pretty sure discussions of grant money, as far as it comes from the government, for more than the next couple years is a waste of time. We won't be able to afford it once interest rates get to 8% or so anyway, and $2 million won't be able to buy a car. Not to mention this is about athletics anyway.

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All of this is possibly true, the thing I dont understand is UNC people seem a bit snobby like the B10 folks with academics. I've read the comments about NCState and how many look down upon them for the academic prowess, so my question is what would you prefer? Ivy League, B10, SEC? and why? (and I'm putting them in order of how the academic side would feel)

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SEC, for geography, culture, and, for the chance to restart some long dormant rivalries.

We have a lot of history with South Carolina (who was in the ACC from '53-'71, IIRC).

Plus, we could renew old rivalries with Georgia and Tennessee. We do not have that with any B10 school.

Not to mention, late-season trips to SEC locales like Athens, Gainesville, Tuscaloosa, and, Baton Rouge would trump trips to Columbus, Ann Arbor, Madison, Minneapolis, etc.

No offense, buckeye fan, just prefer the warmer Southern climate in the fall. :)

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Well I guess you're different than most Big Ten fans. I'd prefer just about anyplace over Oxford, College Station, Tuscaloosa, Starksville or Auburn. But I also prefer indoor plumbing so I'm weird like that. :). No but seriously, I really hope the school takes the opinion of fans into account when deciding which conference you guys go to (if you leave the ACC).

I love the BIG and enjoy going on trips to bigger cities like Chicago, Minneapolis, Columbus and Detroit. While also having smaller towns like Madison, Lincoln and State College. I also like that all of our schools have a similar academic profile, highly ranked, large research institutions.

UNC would be a great addition to the B1G especially if they come with UVA. The Eastern part of the conference would be PSU, OSU, UNC, UVA, Rutgers, MD, Michigan & Purdue. From the outside I'd think that UNC could make a ton of rivalries there in football as well as B-ball. But I'd hate to add UNC if they don't want to be here.

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We have indoor plumbing, Mr Smarty. We have 'lectricity, dial phones, and, the interwebs, too. :p

I have absolutely NOTHING against the Big 10. I've said several times before that I completely respect the league's dedication to combining high major athletics with high academic achievement. I meant no disrespect towards Minneapolis, Ann Arbor, Columbus, etc. I know I would enjoy myself on any visit to those cities. Like I said, I just prefer the warmer Southern climate in the fall.

Were the SEC 100 percent done with expansion, the ACC was imploding, and, the B10 still wanted Carolina, it could be a good move for us.

But, we just cannot hand our arch rival...NCSU...their dream gig in the SEC. Kids in our natural recruiting grounds want to play in the SEC, not the B10. And, we would essentially be ceding that to the wolpf ag pups if we ever turned down a SEC invite. That just cannot happen. Although, I doubt our powers-that-be will take that into consideration if a move were to ever be made.

Its maybe difficult for some OSU/B10 fans to understand. OSU doesn't have a built-in state rival like that in your state. Neither do Minnesota, Nebraska, etc. Its a different dynamic here.

But, its all a moot point, anyway. The ACC is not going anywhere. And, is going to prosper.

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You do realize that Jamal Marcus and Tyquan Lewis are gone to tOSU. Even add Michael Hill from SC also going. There will be more next year. Moving to the BIG will also open Ohio and PA along with VA and NJ to you also. Say what you want about the BIG or the rust belt but look at ND. Michigan and tOSU recruiting classes the last 2 years. Really only Bama,USC Florida,FSU and Texas compare. They are not all running just to the SEC. They are running away from the ACC. except FSU. Big time programs and coaches get the talent. Your athletic programs need money to compete...

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Since a good portion of this grant money is coming from the printing press based on bonds purchased by the FED, instead of from the tax coffers, and seeing that the gravy train is about to derail, I am pretty sure discussions of grant money, as far as it comes from the government, for more than the next couple years is a waste of time. We won't be able to afford it once interest rates get to 8% or so anyway, and $2 million won't be able to buy a car. Not to mention this is about athletics anyway.

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All of this is possibly true, the thing I dont understand is UNC people seem a bit snobby like the B10 folks with academics. I've read the comments about NCState and how many look down upon them for the academic prowess, so my question is what would you prefer? Ivy League, B10, SEC? and why? (and I'm putting them in order of how the academic side would feel)

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SEC, for geography, culture, and, for the chance to restart some long dormant rivalries.

We have a lot of history with South Carolina (who was in the ACC from '53-'71, IIRC).

Plus, we could renew old rivalries with Georgia and Tennessee. We do not have that with any B10 school.

Not to mention, late-season trips to SEC locales like Athens, Gainesville, Tuscaloosa, and, Baton Rouge would trump trips to Columbus, Ann Arbor, Madison, Minneapolis, etc.

No offense, buckeye fan, just prefer the warmer Southern climate in the fall. :)

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Well I guess you're different than most Big Ten fans. I'd prefer just about anyplace over Oxford, College Station, Tuscaloosa, Starksville or Auburn. But I also prefer indoor plumbing so I'm weird like that. :). No but seriously, I really hope the school takes the opinion of fans into account when deciding which conference you guys go to (if you leave the ACC).

I love the BIG and enjoy going on trips to bigger cities like Chicago, Minneapolis, Columbus and Detroit. While also having smaller towns like Madison, Lincoln and State College. I also like that all of our schools have a similar academic profile, highly ranked, large research institutions.

UNC would be a great addition to the B1G especially if they come with UVA. The Eastern part of the conference would be PSU, OSU, UNC, UVA, Rutgers, MD, Michigan & Purdue. From the outside I'd think that UNC could make a ton of rivalries there in football as well as B-ball. But I'd hate to add UNC if they don't want to be here.

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We have indoor plumbing, Mr Smarty. We have 'lectricity, dial phones, and, the interwebs, too. :p

I have absolutely NOTHING against the Big 10. I've said several times before that I completely respect the league's dedication to combining high major athletics with high academic achievement. I meant no disrespect towards Minneapolis, Ann Arbor, Columbus, etc. I know I would enjoy myself on any visit to those cities. Like I said, I just prefer the warmer Southern climate in the fall.

Were the SEC 100 percent done with expansion, the ACC was imploding, and, the B10 still wanted Carolina, it could be a good move for us.

But, we just cannot hand our arch rival...NCSU...their dream gig in the SEC. Kids in our natural recruiting grounds want to play in the SEC, not the B10. And, we would essentially be ceding that to the wolpf ag pups if we ever turned down a SEC invite. That just cannot happen. Although, I doubt our powers-that-be will take that into consideration if a move were to ever be made.

Its maybe difficult for some OSU/B10 fans to understand. OSU doesn't have a built-in state rival like that in your state. Neither do Minnesota, Nebraska, etc. Its a different dynamic here.

But, its all a moot point, anyway. The ACC is not going anywhere. And, is going to prosper.

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You do realize that Jamal Marcus and Tyquan Lewis are gone to tOSU. Even add Michael Hill from SC also going. There will be more next year. Moving to the BIG will also open Ohio and PA along with VA and NJ to you also. Say what you want about the BIG or the rust belt but look at ND. Michigan and tOSU recruiting classes the last 2 years. Really only Bama,USC Florida,FSU and Texas compare. They are not all running just to the SEC. They are running away from the ACC. except FSU. Big time programs and coaches get the talent. Your athletic programs need money to compete...

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You have never heard me refer to B10 country as the rust belt. I have more respect for the region than that. Snow Belt, maybe, but not rust belt. ;)

Yes, those kids you listed are going to OSU. How many are running to the rest of the B10? ND is an anomaly. How many other B10 teams have the same success Down South that they and you do? Michigan, maybe. The rest, not so much. At least as far as I know.

We already recruit VA and NJ. Coach Davis made NJ a priority in his time, and, I believe Coach Fedora will continue that. Ditto VA, especially the Tidewater. Some of UNC's greatest players ever came from that area.

For sure, PA would be a new and fertile recruiting ground for us.

Players are running FROM the ACC? Then why is the SEC the only league who produces more NFL draft picks than the ACC, over the past few years? Where the ACC comes up lacking is quality of depth. That was never more apparent than in the three season-ending ACC-SEC intrastate rivalry games.

The biggest differences that I have observed between the big-10 and the SEC lies in their fans. SEC fans have, almost universally, friendly, polite, and inviting. On the other hand, the Big-10 fans have been, by and large, arrogant, insecure, combative, and condescending.

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The biggest differences that I have observed between the big-10 and the SEC lies in their fans. SEC fans have, almost universally, friendly, polite, and inviting. On the other hand, the Big-10 fans have been, by and large, arrogant, insecure, combative, and condescending.

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wow you dont get out much then....the B10 has some really nice, polite and knowledgeable fans...and I'm sure the SEC does, but in the B10 we dont shoot people over football games.....or teabag people in public....

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Sorry... It's a mobile link (could someone repost the link in a non-mobile hyperlink... I couldn't for some reason)

m.si.com/400047/maryland-in-li...f-big-ten-move/

Pete Thamel: Maryland in line for mammoth financial bump in wake of Big Ten jump

"Here's how the financial payout per school breaks down for upcoming years, according to the information Delany relayed to Maryland officials: The school will make $32 million in 2014, $33 million in 2015, $34.5 million in 2016 and then $43 million in 2017."

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Get real!!! The most powerful commissioner in the country is going to lie and not back up his minimum projections? You need your head examined if you think he would purposely lie! I am not sure who the Big Ten would add, but it will certainly be "2" teams from the ACC sooner rather than later If you or Big Ten fans like it or not.

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The biggest differences that I have observed between the big-10 and the SEC lies in their fans. SEC fans have, almost universally, friendly, polite, and inviting. On the other hand, the Big-10 fans have been, by and large, arrogant, insecure, combative, and condescending.

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wow you dont get out much then....the B10 has some really nice, polite and knowledgeable fans...and I'm sure the SEC does, but in the B10 we dont shoot people over football games.....or teabag people in public....

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The biggest differences that I have observed between the big-10 and the SEC lies in their fans. SEC fans have, almost universally, friendly, polite, and inviting. On the other hand, the Big-10 fans have been, by and large, arrogant, insecure, combative, and condescending.

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wow you dont get out much then....the B10 has some really nice, polite and knowledgeable fans...and I'm sure the SEC does, but in the B10 we dont shoot people over football games.....or teabag people in public....

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Not sure why all the hate from those in the ACC and the south towards the Big Ten? SEC fans universally friendly, polite, and inviting? You are kidding right?

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The biggest differences that I have observed between the big-10 and the SEC lies in their fans. SEC fans have, almost universally, friendly, polite, and inviting. On the other hand, the Big-10 fans have been, by and large, arrogant, insecure, combative, and condescending.

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wow you dont get out much then....the B10 has some really nice, polite and knowledgeable fans...and I'm sure the SEC does, but in the B10 we dont shoot people over football games.....or teabag people in public....

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I think he is referring to the pretty impolite/downright rude B10 fans who've wandered over here and said crap like 'UNC will do what Delany says, and, like it.' How would your board react, were the situations reversed?

I've read your own boards, and, saw where some Buckeye fans referred to Carolina fans as rednecks, or, dumb. That does not sound like really nice B10 fans to me. To be fair, there has been a good group who've come over and represented well.

I've yet to see SEC fans who come over here posted anything remotely resembling that. Those who've come over have stated they want us in the league. The ones who don't want UNC in the SEC have by and large kept to their own boards.

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The biggest differences that I have observed between the big-10 and the SEC lies in their fans. SEC fans have, almost universally, friendly, polite, and inviting. On the other hand, the Big-10 fans have been, by and large, arrogant, insecure, combative, and condescending.

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wow you dont get out much then....the B10 has some really nice, polite and knowledgeable fans...and I'm sure the SEC does, but in the B10 we dont shoot people over football games.....or teabag people in public....

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Not sure why all the hate from those in the ACC and the south towards the Big Ten? SEC fans universally friendly, polite, and inviting? You are kidding right?

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Maybe I'm wrong, but, I believe that he is referring to the fans from both leagues who've visited this board.

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The biggest differences that I have observed between the big-10 and the SEC lies in their fans. SEC fans have, almost universally, friendly, polite, and inviting. On the other hand, the Big-10 fans have been, by and large, arrogant, insecure, combative, and condescending.

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The biggest differences that I have observed between the big-10 and the SEC lies in their fans. SEC fans have, almost universally, friendly, polite, and inviting. On the other hand, the Big-10 fans have been, by and large, arrogant, insecure, combative, and condescending.

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The biggest differences that I have observed between the big-10 and the SEC lies in their fans. SEC fans have, almost universally, friendly, polite, and inviting. On the other hand, the Big-10 fans have been, by and large, arrogant, insecure, combative, and condescending.

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I take it, ShadowSpawne, that you did not have the distinct, ahem, pleasure of attending the Music City Bowl a couple of years back in which we played Tennessee?

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Nope, I was there. I was speaking, as was correctly pointed out above, only to the quality of fans that have posted on our message board.

hilarious to read the B1G dorks view of the south & SEC towns/schools

they'll never really "get it" nor do I care, I hope any B1G dork stays far away from the south as possible actually

I've lived in the north & I've lived in the south before, there's absolutely no comparison whatsoever on many levels but if you're going to talk college football & it's environments/schools/towns, it's a complete joke to even remotely have that discussion.

& to even THINK of choosing ANYWHERE in the B1G over Oxford, MS for a college football experience....... bwaaahahahaha. Pure comedy.

I do believe UNC is smart enough to understand this & the revolt from the UNC base if they decided to try & force them in a northern/northeast league over a southern league.

so Ole Miss vs. Troy St. in Oxford trumps 110,000 people in the Big House for Meechigan - Ohio St. - as far as a college football experience goes ?

I hope you'll understand if I'm not buying that notion today .....

I am amused at the concerns over "culture" in so many posts. It is not about culture, it is about FOOTBALL. if you can not fill Keenan playing ACC competition, you will not fill it playing B10 teams. Football costs are tremendous. Look at Forbes most valuable programs. Seven of the top 10 are from the SEC. If you go to the Big 10 you will open the recruiting door in NC to the SEC. Kids watch ESPN where they see SEC programs hourly. They see Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, Florida featured. Look at the top recruiting lists...SEC. The worst thing that could happen to UNC is for NC State to go to the SEC. They would control the states recruiting.

I am offering an opinion and it is not intended to be a flame.

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I am amused at the concerns over "culture" in so many posts. It is not about culture, it is about FOOTBALL. if you can not fill Keenan playing ACC competition, you will not fill it playing B10 teams. Football costs are tremendous. Look at Forbes most valuable programs. Seven of the top 10 are from the SEC. If you go to the Big 10 you will open the recruiting door in NC to the SEC. Kids watch ESPN where they see SEC programs hourly. They see Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, Florida featured. Look at the top recruiting lists...SEC. The worst thing that could happen to UNC is for NC State to go to the SEC. They would control the states recruiting.

I am offering an opinion and it is not intended to be a flame.

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Agreed.
Most on this board feel, should the ACC dissolve, that a move to the SEC would be better for UNC athletics.

We will fill Kenan in any league if we win

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I am amused at the concerns over "culture" in so many posts. It is not about culture, it is about FOOTBALL. if you can not fill Keenan playing ACC competition, you will not fill it playing B10 teams. Football costs are tremendous. Look at Forbes most valuable programs. Seven of the top 10 are from the SEC. If you go to the Big 10 you will open the recruiting door in NC to the SEC. Kids watch ESPN where they see SEC programs hourly. They see Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, Florida featured. Look at the top recruiting lists...SEC. The worst thing that could happen to UNC is for NC State to go to the SEC. They would control the states recruiting.

I am offering an opinion and it is not intended to be a flame.

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The biggest differences that I have observed between the big-10 and the SEC lies in their fans. SEC fans have, almost universally, friendly, polite, and inviting. On the other hand, the Big-10 fans have been, by and large, arrogant, insecure, combative, and condescending.

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wow you dont get out much then....the B10 has some really nice, polite and knowledgeable fans...and I'm sure the SEC does, but in the B10 we dont shoot people over football games.....or teabag people in public....

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We will fill Kenan in any league if we win

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I am amused at the concerns over "culture" in so many posts. It is not about culture, it is about FOOTBALL. if you can not fill Keenan playing ACC competition, you will not fill it playing B10 teams. Football costs are tremendous. Look at Forbes most valuable programs. Seven of the top 10 are from the SEC. If you go to the Big 10 you will open the recruiting door in NC to the SEC. Kids watch ESPN where they see SEC programs hourly. They see Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, Florida featured. Look at the top recruiting lists...SEC. The worst thing that could happen to UNC is for NC State to go to the SEC. They would control the states recruiting.

I am offering an opinion and it is not intended to be a flame.

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I am amused at the concerns over "culture" in so many posts. It is not about culture, it is about FOOTBALL. if you can not fill Keenan playing ACC competition, you will not fill it playing B10 teams. Football costs are tremendous. Look at Forbes most valuable programs. Seven of the top 10 are from the SEC. If you go to the Big 10 you will open the recruiting door in NC to the SEC. Kids watch ESPN where they see SEC programs hourly. They see Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, Florida featured. Look at the top recruiting lists...SEC. The worst thing that could happen to UNC is for NC State to go to the SEC. They would control the states recruiting.

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This is 100% correct. You want to fill Kenan up? Bring in Alabama, Florida, Georgia and LSU. That will bring the money, not Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Iowa.

UNC to the SEC!!!!

first, how bout Michigan/Central Michigan if you're going to go there

secondly, what does Michigan/Ohio State have to do with UNC?

lastly, I've been to the Big House, it's just a lot of people


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so Ole Miss vs. Troy St. in Oxford trumps 110,000 people in the Big House for Meechigan - Ohio St. - as far as a college football experience goes ?

I hope you'll understand if I'm not buying that notion today .....

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first, how bout Michigan/Central Michigan if you're going to go there

secondly, what does Michigan/Ohio State have to do with UNC?

lastly, I've been to the Big House, it's just a lot of people


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so Ole Miss vs. Troy St. in Oxford trumps 110,000 people in the Big House for Meechigan - Ohio St. - as far as a college football experience goes ?

I hope you'll understand if I'm not buying that notion today .....

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I am amused at the concerns over "culture" in so many posts. It is not about culture, it is about FOOTBALL. if you can not fill Keenan playing ACC competition, you will not fill it playing B10 teams. Football costs are tremendous. Look at Forbes most valuable programs. Seven of the top 10 are from the SEC. If you go to the Big 10 you will open the recruiting door in NC to the SEC. Kids watch ESPN where they see SEC programs hourly. They see Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, Florida featured. Look at the top recruiting lists...SEC. The worst thing that could happen to UNC is for NC State to go to the SEC. They would control the states recruiting.

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This is 100% correct. You want to fill Kenan up? Bring in Alabama, Florida, Georgia and LSU. That will bring the money, not Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Iowa.

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No, this is 100% incorrect. UNC going to the SEC will always be in the middle, never an elite football school, never competing for a NCG. The fact would be that bringing in such schools as Alabama, Florida, Georgia and LSU and having you get BLOWN out year after year would only keep you where you're at in attendance. Who's going to want to go to a football game only to see you get your tails handed to you. Then you'll be complaining because you wish you could've been in the B1G. Of course you'd still get blown out by our top schools but at least you might be able to be in the upper middle schools - maybe.

I actually find it quite funny how UNC fans, out of all being talked about (UVA, GT, FLST, etc) that you've been so arrogant and very ignorant on how big the B1G is. It's called "cycles". There was a time when the Big 12 and Pac-10 were the top leagues, then the Big-10, now it happens to be the SEC. The B1G will be competitive again (and I'm saying as soon as next year with tOSU, Michigan and Wisconsin) with the SEC. If Delaney can get us into the south, the SEC will not be as dominant - and that's a fact. Slive has been saying just that, he doesn't want the B1G to be able to enter into the fertile recruiting grounds of the south.

Anyways, don't be surprised if UNC becomes a member of the B1G. There's too many reasons for you not too - football aside.

Ohio St. would have definitely NOT GONE UNDEFEATED in THE SEC THIS YEAR you can bet your B1G ass on that TROLL!!!!!!!!

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I am amused at the concerns over "culture" in so many posts. It is not about culture, it is about FOOTBALL. if you can not fill Keenan playing ACC competition, you will not fill it playing B10 teams. Football costs are tremendous. Look at Forbes most valuable programs. Seven of the top 10 are from the SEC. If you go to the Big 10 you will open the recruiting door in NC to the SEC. Kids watch ESPN where they see SEC programs hourly. They see Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, Florida featured. Look at the top recruiting lists...SEC. The worst thing that could happen to UNC is for NC State to go to the SEC. They would control the states recruiting.

I am offering an opinion and it is not intended to be a flame.

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This is 100% correct. You want to fill Kenan up? Bring in Alabama, Florida, Georgia and LSU. That will bring the money, not Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Iowa.

UNC to the SEC!!!!

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No, this is 100% incorrect. UNC going to the SEC will always be in the middle, never an elite football school, never competing for a NCG. The fact would be that bringing in such schools as Alabama, Florida, Georgia and LSU and having you get BLOWN out year after year would only keep you where you're at in attendance. Who's going to want to go to a football game only to see you get your tails handed to you. Then you'll be complaining because you wish you could've been in the B1G. Of course you'd still get blown out by our top schools but at least you might be able to be in the upper middle schools - maybe.

I actually find it quite funny how UNC fans, out of all being talked about (UVA, GT, FLST, etc) that you've been so arrogant and very ignorant on how big the B1G is. It's called "cycles". There was a time when the Big 12 and Pac-10 were the top leagues, then the Big-10, now it happens to be the SEC. The B1G will be competitive again (and I'm saying as soon as next year with tOSU, Michigan and Wisconsin) with the SEC. If Delaney can get us into the south, the SEC will not be as dominant - and that's a fact. Slive has been saying just that, he doesn't want the B1G to be able to enter into the fertile recruiting grounds of the south.

Anyways, don't be surprised if UNC becomes a member of the B1G. There's too many reasons for you not too - football aside.

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The biggest differences that I have observed between the big-10 and the SEC lies in their fans. SEC fans have, almost universally, friendly, polite, and inviting. On the other hand, the Big-10 fans have been, by and large, arrogant, insecure, combative, and condescending.

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Penn Stater living in Florida here. I've been to multiple B10 stadiums, plus UF, Bama, FSU, and a few B12 stadiums too. Every school has a few crazies who embarrass their school. However, in general I've had great experiences at all the venues. I honestly haven't noticed any differences in fans that adhere to conference lines (and if you pressed me, I would not agree with your generalization). Individual school fanbases may vary somewhat, but not based upon conference. Personally, I think that Iowa and Nebraska have the friendliest fan bases. Alabama fans have always had a special connection with Penn Staters (they were also probably the kindest to me during the tough days this last year). Lots of respect for them. Just my observations.

Merry Christmas to all.

BTW - most Penn Staters would absolutely love to have UNC in the conference. The majority of PSU alumni live in the NYC to Florida corridor, and would welcome Mid-Atlantic expansion. Also, UNC's focus on non-revenue sports is one that we understand. From reading this board, I know that this sentiment (toward the B10) is not exactly mutual, and I can respect that.

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I am amused at the concerns over "culture" in so many posts. It is not about culture, it is about FOOTBALL. if you can not fill Keenan playing ACC competition, you will not fill it playing B10 teams. Football costs are tremendous. Look at Forbes most valuable programs. Seven of the top 10 are from the SEC. If you go to the Big 10 you will open the recruiting door in NC to the SEC. Kids watch ESPN where they see SEC programs hourly. They see Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, Florida featured. Look at the top recruiting lists...SEC. The worst thing that could happen to UNC is for NC State to go to the SEC. They would control the states recruiting.

I am offering an opinion and it is not intended to be a flame.

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This is 100% correct. You want to fill Kenan up? Bring in Alabama, Florida, Georgia and LSU. That will bring the money, not Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Iowa.

UNC to the SEC!!!!

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No offense Chapel but why did you avoid Michigan, Ohio state or even Penn st. in your post? You do realize they are in the BIG too? And those three have basically the largest fan bases in the country. Also how many BIG fans do you think live in NC ?

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I am amused at the concerns over "culture" in so many posts. It is not about culture, it is about FOOTBALL. if you can not fill Keenan playing ACC competition, you will not fill it playing B10 teams. Football costs are tremendous. Look at Forbes most valuable programs. Seven of the top 10 are from the SEC. If you go to the Big 10 you will open the recruiting door in NC to the SEC. Kids watch ESPN where they see SEC programs hourly. They see Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, Florida featured. Look at the top recruiting lists...SEC. The worst thing that could happen to UNC is for NC State to go to the SEC. They would control the states recruiting.

I am offering an opinion and it is not intended to be a flame.

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This is 100% correct. You want to fill Kenan up? Bring in Alabama, Florida, Georgia and LSU. That will bring the money, not Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Iowa.

UNC to the SEC!!!!

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No, this is 100% incorrect. UNC going to the SEC will always be in the middle, never an elite football school, never competing for a NCG. The fact would be that bringing in such schools as Alabama, Florida, Georgia and LSU and having you get BLOWN out year after year would only keep you where you're at in attendance. Who's going to want to go to a football game only to see you get your tails handed to you. Then you'll be complaining because you wish you could've been in the B1G. Of course you'd still get blown out by our top schools but at least you might be able to be in the upper middle schools - maybe.

I actually find it quite funny how UNC fans, out of all being talked about (UVA, GT, FLST, etc) that you've been so arrogant and very ignorant on how big the B1G is. It's called "cycles". There was a time when the Big 12 and Pac-10 were the top leagues, then the Big-10, now it happens to be the SEC. The B1G will be competitive again (and I'm saying as soon as next year with tOSU, Michigan and Wisconsin) with the SEC. If Delaney can get us into the south, the SEC will not be as dominant - and that's a fact. Slive has been saying just that, he doesn't want the B1G to be able to enter into the fertile recruiting grounds of the south.

Anyways, don't be surprised if UNC becomes a member of the B1G. There's too many reasons for you not too - football aside.

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Bucky, I am not sure what else I can tell you about our reasoning.

If it were just about UNC, it'd be a no brainer. Being in the Big 10 would not be a bad thing at all for Carolina. Please do not think I believe otherwise. But, its not just about us.

OSU doesn't have to deal with a fellow state school in the same league, with an infinite case of butthurt little brother syndrome. One that our state General Assembly will assure has a major conference to land in, should we ever leave. One who is happier when we lose than when they win. One whose fanbase went to extraordinary lengths to insert themselves into our NCAA investigation.

And, for me, a fanbase I want to hurt more than anything else on earth. In any way, shape, form, or, fashion you can imagine.

Personally, I want UNC in the SEC. For reasons I listed previously. Geography, culture, climate, chance to reestablish dormant rivalries, etc. Not to mention, it would be the ultimate kick in the crotch to those worthless, slimy, lying sacks of **** that inhabit west Raleigh.

Call my stance crazy, immature, what have you. But, after what those useless bastiges have said and done to try and hurt Carolina over the past 2-1/2 years, I want revenge, and, I want to hurt and embarass them in every way possible.

We very much understand that success in particular conferences is cyclical. And, that the SEC's run won't run forever.

Assuming the ACC became unstable enough to force UNC to move, which is far far a given, there are only a few ways that the exodus would happen. The battle is really between the SEC and B1G. This also depends on how big the conferences are willing to get 16, 18, 20?

Option 1:
UNC, UVA, possibly Duke and GT to the B1G.
NCeST, VTech to the SEC
FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, Cincy, Pitt to the B12.


Option 2:
UNC, UVA, and possibly Duke to the SEC.
NCeST, VTech, FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville to the B12.
B1G has to settle for 2-4 of Pitt, UConn, BC, Cuse.



If UT, TTech, OU, OKstate to the PAC, the remaining B12 schools will have to scramble. And don't bother talking about the Grant of Rights. It is run by a corporate entity that can be dissolved.

Perhaps then KU to the SEC or possibly B1G if Mizzou could be pried away from the SEC (not that far fetched when discussing Mizzou). Too many hypos to discuss. Let's assume for this that the B12 is stable and none of its schools are on the table.



The point here is that if UNC and UVA go to the SEC, GTech cannot be in a contiguous state to the current B1G membership and so is not viable. The SEC "wins" if it gets UNC and UVA, because the lil brother schools wouldn't be invited to the B1G.

If the B1G takes UNC and UVA, it could take GTech, Duke, and might consider Clemson and FSU or Miami to get into Florida. The SEC would still be the premiere league in football, but those additions would allow the B1G and BTN to encroach into SEC territory. Things would be much more competitive.



So, whether we like/respect the B1G or not is moot. UNC and UVA are important chess pieces in the war between the B1G and SEC. Part of why the B12 is perceived as more stable is because its schools are less desirable, save for UT and OU.

I apologize to visiting fans from either league who feel slighted. It is not arrogant to say that UNC's decision is important to everyone. I, for one, am excited to know we should have a home regardless of what happens. However, the fact that going to the B1G opens the door for NCeST to the SEC is a huge reason for us to go there first.

GO HEELS!

Your point about UVA and UNC being the most important chess pieces for both the B1G and the SEC is spot on.

I think this larger power play between the two most powerful conferences (the SEC and the B1G) that is playing out on the big stage is being overlooked by many in this realignment mess.

When we look it at from that perspective, you have to believe that there is NO WAY that the SEC is going to stand idly by and allow the B1G into the South. The only viable Southern schools from the B1G perspective are UVA, UNC, GT, and Duke.

If the SEC can keep 3 of the 4 (UVA, UNC, and/or Duke) away from the B1G, they effectively lock the B1G out of the South for good.

The B1G establishing a foothold in the South in the states of Virginia, North Carolina, or Georgia is a nightmare of immense proportions for the SEC. They are not going to let it happen.

Either the ACC remains intact or the SEC makes a STRONG push for UNC and UVA to keep the B1G out. In doing so, don't be surprised if the SEC takes all four of UVA, VT, UNC, and Duke to go to 18 schools. It may take such a combination to move the needle for UNC and UVA in the SEC's favor. NCSU would quickly be picked up by the Big 12 in that scenario which could avoid any political drama in NC.


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--- Heel2K wrote:

Assuming the ACC became unstable enough to force UNC to move, which is far far a given, there are only a few ways that the exodus would happen. The battle is really between the SEC and B1G. This also depends on how big the conferences are willing to get 16, 18, 20?

Option 1:
UNC, UVA, possibly Duke and GT to the B1G.
NCeST, VTech to the SEC
FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, Cincy, Pitt to the B12.


Option 2:
UNC, UVA, and possibly Duke to the SEC.
NCeST, VTech, FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville to the B12.
B1G has to settle for 2-4 of Pitt, UConn, BC, Cuse.



If UT, TTech, OU, OKstate to the PAC, the remaining B12 schools will have to scramble. And don't bother talking about the Grant of Rights. It is run by a corporate entity that can be dissolved.

Perhaps then KU to the SEC or possibly B1G if Mizzou could be pried away from the SEC (not that far fetched when discussing Mizzou). Too many hypos to discuss. Let's assume for this that the B12 is stable and none of its schools are on the table.



The point here is that if UNC and UVA go to the SEC, GTech cannot be in a contiguous state to the current B1G membership and so is not viable. The SEC "wins" if it gets UNC and UVA, because the lil brother schools wouldn't be invited to the B1G.

If the B1G takes UNC and UVA, it could take GTech, Duke, and might consider Clemson and FSU or Miami to get into Florida. The SEC would still be the premiere league in football, but those additions would allow the B1G and BTN to encroach into SEC territory. Things would be much more competitive.



So, whether we like/respect the B1G or not is moot. UNC and UVA are important chess pieces in the war between the B1G and SEC. Part of why the B12 is perceived as more stable is because its schools are less desirable, save for UT and OU.

I apologize to visiting fans from either league who feel slighted. It is not arrogant to say that UNC's decision is important to everyone. I, for one, am excited to know we should have a home regardless of what happens. However, the fact that going to the B1G opens the door for NCeST to the SEC is a huge reason for us to go there first.

GO HEELS!

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--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:

How the UNC can flourish in the Big Ten in football...

Let me introdue your forum (I haven't seen it mentioned) to the Pod system. The Pod system is THE BEST way to run a 16 team conference. The Big Ten conference would maintain 2 divisions (we'll say the Leaders and the Legends, man I hate that), but the teams that make up that divisions would change on a YEARLY basis... Stick with me on this.

The 16 team league would be subdivided into 4 "Pods," each containing 4 teams. For the time being, we'll call them Pod 1, 2, 3 and 4. In year 1, Pod 1 and Pod 2 would be paired together in a division and Pod 3 and Pod 4 would be paired together in the other. You would play all teams in your Pod (3 games) and all teams in the Pod you are paired with (4 games), you would also play 1 team in each of the other 2 Pods (2 games, 9 total conference games). In year 2, Pod 1 would be paired with Pod 3 in one division and Pod 2 with Pod 4 in the other. In year 3, Pod 1 and Pod 4 would be paired and Pod 2 and Pod 3 would be paired in the other.

Still with me? To maintain some of the Big Ten's current rivalries, a "protected rival" would be retained between 2 teams (for instance Ohio State vs Michigan)... Other wise, your single cross Pod games would be based on your previous years conference record (like how the NFL pairs teams from different divisions). For instance, if you had the best conference record in you Pod in 2012, in 2013 you would play the #1 team in the two Pods you are not paired with that year (unless your protected rival is in that Pod, or the #1 team in that Pod you are suppose to play is a protected rival of a team in your Pod).

Still with me? Feel free to ask any questions... And here's the kicker, the Pods would be:

East - UNC, PSU, UVA, Maryland
Central - OSU, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois
North - Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Indiana
West - Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota

Now that the Pods have been defined, you can predict UNC's conference slate. We'll say it is a year where the East is paired with the North, and the Central is paired with the West... And for the crossover games, assume that the above list also represents how the teams finished the previous year. For instance, UNC>PSU>UVA>Maryland (as far as 2012 conference records) OSU>Rutgers>Northwestern>Illinois.

UNC 2013 in conference schedule: PSU, UVA, Maryland, Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Indiana, OSU, Nebraska

Is that really a bad conference schedule? Fans couldn't get behind that? Out of conference you could play NCState, Duke, and a directional school from a southern state.

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I still can't fathom a UNC reaction stating an in-conference schedule of PSU, UVA, Maryland, Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Indiana, OSU, Nebraska (the example schedule from the above post) is WORSE than a current ACC schedule?

Play NCST, Duke and an East Carolina/Wake Forest/GT/VaTech/Clemson/etc/etc/etc OOC every year... And WOW, that seems like a VERY good schedule for UNC while sitting back and collecting $43 million in B1G revenue!

I understand the vast majority of UNC football fans want to join the SEC (if the ACC implodes) because of historic rivalries and current recruiting grounds; however, if the academics of UNC choose the B1G, is this not still an upgrade?

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--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:

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--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:

How the UNC can flourish in the Big Ten in football...

Let me introdue your forum (I haven't seen it mentioned) to the Pod system. The Pod system is THE BEST way to run a 16 team conference. The Big Ten conference would maintain 2 divisions (we'll say the Leaders and the Legends, man I hate that), but the teams that make up that divisions would change on a YEARLY basis... Stick with me on this.

The 16 team league would be subdivided into 4 "Pods," each containing 4 teams. For the time being, we'll call them Pod 1, 2, 3 and 4. In year 1, Pod 1 and Pod 2 would be paired together in a division and Pod 3 and Pod 4 would be paired together in the other. You would play all teams in your Pod (3 games) and all teams in the Pod you are paired with (4 games), you would also play 1 team in each of the other 2 Pods (2 games, 9 total conference games). In year 2, Pod 1 would be paired with Pod 3 in one division and Pod 2 with Pod 4 in the other. In year 3, Pod 1 and Pod 4 would be paired and Pod 2 and Pod 3 would be paired in the other.

Still with me? To maintain some of the Big Ten's current rivalries, a "protected rival" would be retained between 2 teams (for instance Ohio State vs Michigan)... Other wise, your single cross Pod games would be based on your previous years conference record (like how the NFL pairs teams from different divisions). For instance, if you had the best conference record in you Pod in 2012, in 2013 you would play the #1 team in the two Pods you are not paired with that year (unless your protected rival is in that Pod, or the #1 team in that Pod you are suppose to play is a protected rival of a team in your Pod).

Still with me? Feel free to ask any questions... And here's the kicker, the Pods would be:

East - UNC, PSU, UVA, Maryland
Central - OSU, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois
North - Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Indiana
West - Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota

Now that the Pods have been defined, you can predict UNC's conference slate. We'll say it is a year where the East is paired with the North, and the Central is paired with the West... And for the crossover games, assume that the above list also represents how the teams finished the previous year. For instance, UNC>PSU>UVA>Maryland (as far as 2012 conference records) OSU>Rutgers>Northwestern>Illinois.

UNC 2013 in conference schedule: PSU, UVA, Maryland, Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Indiana, OSU, Nebraska

Is that really a bad conference schedule? Fans couldn't get behind that? Out of conference you could play NCState, Duke, and a directional school from a southern state.

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I still can't fathom a UNC reaction stating an in-conference schedule of PSU, UVA, Maryland, Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Indiana, OSU, Nebraska (the example schedule from the above post) is WORSE than a current ACC schedule?

Play NCST, Duke and an East Carolina/Wake Forest/GT/VaTech/Clemson/etc/etc/etc OOC every year... And WOW, that seems like a VERY good schedule for UNC while sitting back and collecting $43 million in B1G revenue!

I understand the vast majority of UNC football fans want to join the SEC (if the ACC implodes) because of historic rivalries and current recruiting grounds; however, if the academics of UNC choose the B1G, is this not still an upgrade?

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this wouldnt be entirely bad....id dump moou and try to start a yearly rivalry in football with lil carolina....and in basketball youre going to run into trouble with carolina and dook not playing twice a year...there's a ton of tradition and money embedded there...however....i think the brightest future for carolina lies in the sec

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--- phatassjungle wrote:

You do realize that Jamal Marcus and Tyquan Lewis are gone to tOSU. Even add Michael Hill from SC also going. There will be more next year. Moving to the BIG will also open Ohio and PA along with VA and NJ to you also. Say what you want about the BIG or the rust belt but look at ND. Michigan and tOSU recruiting classes the last 2 years. Really only Bama,USC Florida,FSU and Texas compare. They are not all running just to the SEC. They are running away from the ACC. except FSU. Big time programs and coaches get the talent. Your athletic programs need money to compete...

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I don't understand posts like these. Do folks not realize it works both ways?

James Hurst
Kiaro Holts
Mitch Trubisky
Gene Robinson
Mike Paulus
Christian Wilson

All of these guys were big time "gets" and all went from what I would call Big Ten areas to UNC. If UNC loses more to other programs over the last few years, it is likely due to other programs being better, not because we haven't had money or resources to compete.

Now that Rutgers is B1G you can add Greg Webb and Dajuan Drennon!!!!!

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--- phatassjungle wrote:

You do realize that Jamal Marcus and Tyquan Lewis are gone to tOSU. Even add Michael Hill from SC also going. There will be more next year. Moving to the BIG will also open Ohio and PA along with VA and NJ to you also. Say what you want about the BIG or the rust belt but look at ND. Michigan and tOSU recruiting classes the last 2 years. Really only Bama,USC Florida,FSU and Texas compare. They are not all running just to the SEC. They are running away from the ACC. except FSU. Big time programs and coaches get the talent. Your athletic programs need money to compete...

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I don't understand posts like these. Do folks not realize it works both ways?

James Hurst
Kiaro Holts
Mitch Trubisky
Gene Robinson
Mike Paulus
Christian Wilson

All of these guys were big time "gets" and all went from what I would call Big Ten areas to UNC. If UNC loses more to other programs over the last few years, it is likely due to other programs being better, not because we haven't had money or resources to compete.

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The B1G is a money machine in research and athletics. All B1G schools offer a very broad scope of athletic teams, much like UNC.

SEC is up right now in football, it won't last forever. The decline started last year with Urban leaving and Saban will be next. Throw in Auburn on probation and Arky losing their coach.... Fans are very short sighted, that's why they are not CEO's.

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--- scotlandheel wrote:


this wouldnt be entirely bad....id dump moou and try to start a yearly rivalry in football with lil carolina....and in basketball youre going to run into trouble with carolina and dook not playing twice a year...there's a ton of tradition and money embedded there...however....i think the brightest future for carolina lies in the sec

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Are there NCAA rules that prevent scheduling an OOC opponent twice in one year for basketball?

--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:

I still can't fathom a UNC reaction stating an in-conference schedule of PSU, UVA, Maryland, Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Indiana, OSU, Nebraska (the example schedule from the above post) is WORSE than a current ACC schedule?

Play NCST, Duke and an East Carolina/Wake Forest/GT/VaTech/Clemson/etc/etc/etc OOC every year... And WOW, that seems like a VERY good schedule for UNC while sitting back and collecting $43 million in B1G revenue!

I understand the vast majority of UNC football fans want to join the SEC (if the ACC implodes) because of historic rivalries and current recruiting grounds; however, if the academics of UNC choose the B1G, is this not still an upgrade?

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Doc, it would be an upgrade. I doubt anybody would deny that.

For us, its not just about Carolina. I wish you guys could see and understand things from our POV.

I have read a lot on this thread about academics, culture, economics, etc. Most of what has been said obviously comes from people who have not kept up with the enormous displacement of manufacturing (jobs!) from the midwest to the south, and particularly the deep south. It's the same kind of thing if one looks at the growth and nature of the deep south state universities. Check the sizes and complexities of our neighboring state U's. You will be very surprised at how they stack up.

Now, putting all that pedantry aside, let me pose this question.
If Alabama were to play UNC in Chapel Hill, what would be the interest level throughout the state of North Carolina? Extend that. What would be the interest level if UNC were to play Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee and other SEC schools on a regular basis? I would think all those empty seats in Kenan would be filled rather quickly. Wake, Duke, Miami, Syracuse, etc will never bring out the interest that schools in either the BIG or SEC would. It pains me to write this kind of thing because I am a Wake grad, and I am certain that in all this restructuring schools such as Wake are going to be left out in the cold. They have neither the size nor support base to compete with The University of (insert name of state).

In all this rhetoric, I think three things are rapidly becoming evident. First, the restructuring will continue until there are four sixteen team conferences with a playoff system for the national championship.
Second, the ACC will not be one of those four conferences, and third, the lineup will have absolutely nothing to do with basketball.

If the right schools fall into place, look for B1G to move to 18 or 20. This of course would include ND.

I see GT and Virginia next. Then UNC and Kansas. Then ND and possibly FSU. There is talk about FSU's improving academics and also being in the important state of Florida. UConn and Miami still have chances as well.

I imagine tOSU coming to Kenan would mean the stadium half filled with scarlet.

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--- bamadeacon wrote:

I have read a lot on this thread about academics, culture, economics, etc. Most of what has been said obviously comes from people who have not kept up with the enormous displacement of manufacturing (jobs!) from the midwest to the south, and particularly the deep south. It's the same kind of thing if one looks at the growth and nature of the deep south state universities. Check the sizes and complexities of our neighboring state U's. You will be very surprised at how they stack up.

Now, putting all that pedantry aside, let me pose this question.
If Alabama were to play UNC in Chapel Hill, what would be the interest level throughout the state of North Carolina? Extend that. What would be the interest level if UNC were to play Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee and other SEC schools on a regular basis? I would think all those empty seats in Kenan would be filled rather quickly. Wake, Duke, Miami, Syracuse, etc will never bring out the interest that schools in either the BIG or SEC would. It pains me to write this kind of thing because I am a Wake grad, and I am certain that in all this restructuring schools such as Wake are going to be left out in the cold. They have neither the size nor support base to compete with The University of (insert name of state).

In all this rhetoric, I think three things are rapidly becoming evident. First, the restructuring will continue until there are four sixteen team conferences with a playoff system for the national championship.
Second, the ACC will not be one of those four conferences, and third, the lineup will have absolutely nothing to do with basketball.

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My guess is that Bama, Georgia, and Florida would bring about the same level of interest to BKS as FSU, VT, or Clemson do. There of course would be some novelty to having that kind of opponent in the house, but my guess is it would be just like Texas, Notre Dame, or the first few times Miami was here when they first joined the ACC. And Syracuse and BC would bring about the same level of interest as Vandy, Kentucky or Mississippi State. There are certainly MORE quality football programs in the SEC, but there also is the matter of proximity. Would LSU or Auburn really bring 15K to Kenan? Probably not, and when Wake comes to play UNC in Chapel Hill, I kind of like that feel that is in the air. There is a lot of tradition with our games with Wake, UVa, Clemson, even GT. I like those games for what they are...

As for playing tOSU and having half the stadium filled with scarlet, that would assume that UNC fans would not only dump their tickets (they wouldn't) but that 32K tOSU fans would come three states away (they wouldn't). As much as we bemoan the empty seats, BKS has NEVER been filled anywhere close to halfway with opposing fans. The highest percent i can ever recall is about 20-25% red in 2003 or so. Sometimes our own fans lose sight of the number of seats that are filled and what a half red stadium actually looks like. and by the way, a 90% filled BKS is still the highest filled college stadium in the 10th largest state in the nation.