Michigan is going to change their slogan from -> GO BLUE ! ... to ... GO GREEN ! .... ka ching ....

Exactly! Think about it this way-- a B1G coach who just lead his team to it's 3rd consecutive Rose Bowl jumped to the SEC to rebuild a team that just went 4-8 this season. B1G is just the minor leagues compared to the SEC.

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So, if the ACC collapses........UNC will wind up in the SEC......why would we settle for second place in joining the B1G ?
IF you're going to allude to the most amount of money, then post the SEC numbers. They are the premier league in college football. the B1G is just a blip in the SEC's mirror.


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Just Released



College Football - Profits only
Data from U.S. Department of Education (ope.ed.gov/athletics)


Michigan = 61.6 Million
Penn St = 36.0 Million
Ohio St = 24.0 Million
Nebraska = 36.5 Million
Iowa = 28.5 Million
Michigan St = 30.7 Million
Wisconsin = 24.2 Million
Minnesota = 16.8 Million
Illinois = 14.4 Million
Northwestern= 7.4 Million
Indiana = 8.9 Million
Purdue = 5.3 Million

Clemson = 15.5 Million
Florida St. = 12.4 Million
Georgia Tech = 14.6 Million
North Carolina = 10.9 Million
North Carolina St = 12.6 Million
Virginia = 6.8 Million
Boston College = 3.7 Million
Maryland = 5.7 Million
Wake Forest = 3.1 Million
Duke = 4.9 Million



The B1G profits for Football only is ONLY GOING TO GROW.

The ACC Football money is now flat, and will be in the future, FLAT.


Do you all think Clemson & Florida St enjoy having profits less than Minnesota in Football????!!!

Florida Football profit = 51.1 Million.
South Carolina Football profit = 26.0 Million


ACC athletic programs are still turning profits for the most part over-all....and that is a good thing.


However, the revenue from football is projected to grow for SEC & B1G schools....but not so for ACC schools.

North Carolina will go to the SEC or B1G.

But the ACC, as it's been constructed for the most part...for the last 40 years is over.

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

Gopher get back in your hole. You have no idea what ESPN will do and the Big1G is nothing more than the representative group of a dying, demographically declining economic wasteland. Regardless of what the individual schools in the ACC do for conference affiliation they will surpass the Big1G schools inevitably. The wealthy and educated are moving south and east. The Big1G insiders know this and made a desperate grab of MD and Rutgers trying to force the hand of ND, GaT, UVA and UNC and failed.

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expatriateheel, I am a Big Ten and Michigan fan and agree with many of the things you are saying except about the Big Ten being a dying wasteland. For your sake, I hope you can stay in the ACC with all of your traditional rivals, however, make no mistake, the Big Ten, along with the SEC are the two most powerful conferences in the country. Call it what you will; dying, demographically declining, economic wasteland, but the fact remains, some of the most powerful/succesful universities in the country academically and athletically are in the Midwest with huge alumni bases, huge stadiums, a growing footprint in the growing areas of Maryland, parts of Virginia, New York, , New Jersey, and D.C.. Also, the incredibly successful Big Ten Network with projected revenues for each Big Ten school to be at minimum, between $40-45 Million per team within a few years, while the ACC is currently locked into $17 million a year with ESPN until 2026, unless it can be re-negotiated, is a tremendous benefit to our league. I am not slamming you, the great North Carolina University, it's fans or alumni, or the ACC, just countering some negative points about the Big Ten which most of us here in the Midwest love. Happy Holidays!!!

Flint, we have nothing against good Big-10 fans. But we haven't been getting those, we have had a month of overbearing Big-10 fans telling us we will do what they tell us to do, and like it. We are a little trigger happy right now.

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

Gopher get back in your hole. You have no idea what ESPN will do and the Big1G is nothing more than the representative group of a dying, demographically declining economic wasteland. Regardless of what the individual schools in the ACC do for conference affiliation they will surpass the Big1G schools inevitably. The wealthy and educated are moving south and east. The Big1G insiders know this and made a desperate grab of MD and Rutgers trying to force the hand of ND, GaT, UVA and UNC and failed.

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expatriateheel, I am a Big Ten and Michigan fan and agree with many of the things you are saying except about the Big Ten being a dying wasteland. For your sake, I hope you can stay in the ACC with all of your traditional rivals, however, make no mistake, the Big Ten, along with the SEC are the two most powerful conferences in the country. Call it what you will; dying, demographically declining, economic wasteland, but the fact remains, some of the most powerful/succesful universities in the country academically and athletically are in the Midwest with huge alumni bases, huge stadiums, a growing footprint, now in Maryland, New Jersey, parts of Virginia, New York, and D.C., and the incredibly successful Big Ten Network with projected revenues for each Big Ten school to be at minimum, between $40-45 Million per team within a few years, while the ACC is currently locked into $17 million a year with ESPN until 2026, unless it can be re-negotiated. I am not slamming you, the great North Carolina Universit, it's fans or alumni, or the ACC, just countering some negative points about the Big Ten which most of us here in the Midwest love. Happy Holidays!!!

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Thank you ShadowSpawne. I think we all want to protect our leagues, our traditional rivals, and geographic footprint. The ACC and Big Ten have really stretched themselves with the Big Ten going from the Colorado border to New York and the ACC going from Massachusetts to Florida. I know if anyone tried to mess with Michigan's incredible rivalry game with Ohio State, there would be heck to pay, so I understand. We shall see what happens and I will agree that athletically, Maryland and Rutgers do not make much sense to me initially, but I do understand the possibilites the league is looking at. Best of luck to your Tar Heels and as we say in these parts GO BLUE!

Not true, not true at all - and simply overstated. Football has always been better down south than the Midwest, you're just seeing a conference, the SEC, in tip top form with it's organization, all aspects.

The BIG, better programs, have been dependent of Deep South talent for decades & decades, just as any credible NC basketball roster often grabs players from the Northeast, Midwest: Sean May, Tyler Zeller, Danny Green, Shane Battier, Antoine Walker, Jason Williams, Anthony Davis, Tyler Hansborough [<-- probably misspelled}, and nearly every talented member of last year's Kentucky NC roster came from the these regions, and even out west - only a handful of players from the South. UNC has been carpet-bagging hoops talent outside the south for decades, while at the same time delivering fine in-state talent as well. I have no problem with national recruiting, a kid can go wherever he wishes - he's American and so are any schools in the US - no kidding!

It's a cultural thing, which states-regions-cities produce talent in a given sport. Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Carmelo, Rose, Westbrook are just some of the outstanding talents without southern roots. NC, imo, is much better known for producing hoops talent than say football players. Is NC preps football really on par with La or Miss, both smaller states? I don't think so. Again, it's cultural more than say "Rust Belt" decay or demographic shifts that often highlight Latino growth or relocated retirees.

I live in Minnesota, kids here want to go to the NHL or become MMA stars (weird, rising phenomenon) and they often do. Moreover, our economy is doing fine, and our population grows at a sustainable level every decade - never declines. Mn has had merely 2 years, in the past 20, of unemployment in the 7-8 % range & now we are well below the national average, esp NC, which is struggling along with Ga, Fl, SC, Miss (the South) at rates equivalent to NJ, Mi, or Ill (the Rust Belt). Hell, Ca is in shvt shape, economically - a lot of uneven development - and they are a huge state with tremendous population growth.

Let's all stop making these absurd regional slams & apocalyptic claims based off of college football dominance - we're all Americans here.

Everyone is chasing SEC football. But I can at least point out, the BIG, as well as the ACC, put lots of great players in the NFL. On the NFL stage, cold weather is a constant factor in evaluating talent and determining results on the field. JJ Watt, from rural damn Wisconsin, may be one of the best athletes I've seen in the NFL in a long, long time. N

Neither the ACC or B1G have the super structure of the SEC, and neither ever will reach SEC heights unless they sacrifice a lot of established policies while raising huge sums of money.

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

Gopher get back in your hole. You have no idea what ESPN will do and the Big1G is nothing more than the representative group of a dying, demographically declining economic wasteland. Regardless of what the individual schools in the ACC do for conference affiliation they will surpass the Big1G schools inevitably. The wealthy and educated are moving south and east. The Big1G insiders know this and made a desperate grab of MD and Rutgers trying to force the hand of ND, GaT, UVA and UNC and failed.

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--- Gopher1968 wrote:

ESPN will not give the ACC a new deal...and that is the rub of it all. ESPN has contracts with other conferences as well...for example the B1G. The ACC, as we've all grown to know it, is almost over. FSU has a big decision to make...SEC...Big 12...and yes...possibly B1G.
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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:

For our friends that are FSU fans, could you please lay it out here? What does FSU feel the ACC needs to do to make them happy since many Seminoles seem to be miserable in the ACC and are always wanting to blame Swofford and UNC for all their woes?

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I think the segment of the FSU fanbase that blames Swofford or Tobacco Road for all their woes are just looking for something to hold on to for blame, it certainly is a glib analysis. The ACC adds schools like Syracuse and Pitt and some FSU fans cry, why not a "real" football power. Problem is, the "real football power tree" is out of fruit; the Penn States and Georgias of the world are spoken for. But, there is an issue with the Tier 3 rights going to Raycom, and Swofford's son's position at Raycom make some Nole fans feel there was an inside deal there that benefited the Swofford family to the detriment of the overall media rights package (the alternatives being either using that Tier 3 content to start up an ACC Network, or letting the individual schools sell them... though each can if the Tier 3 providers do not pick up the content).

Aside from that, there is no consensus among FSU fans about our conference home. I would say the faction that wants to defect certainly is vocal about it, but I think the silent majority wants to stay if it is financially feasible, and that is the heart of the question.

FSU has been in the ACC for twenty years now, we are not really an expansion school anymore, we have some sweat equity in this league. I believe the academic profile of the league has been beneficial to FSU. We are in the top 100 nationally and it is a very good school whose reputation has always lagged behind its actual quality. I don't want to overstate the ACC association's impact on FSU's academic standing, but to be associated with such strong schools lifts all boats. Our administration--at least the president and the Faculty Senate--are adamant that the value of the ACC association to the school academically is an important consideration (many people say Bobby Bowden steered us into the ACC instead of the SEC back in '91... it was really the Faculty Senate that did that).

When talking about sports other than football, the ACC is the premier league in the country. I do not believe this is debatable. Our basketball is second to none (and bringing Cuse and the Ville aboard, wow). Our Olympic sports are the best in the country too, and FSU has become a perennial top ten school in the Director's Cup standings. No other league offers FSU the platform the ACC does. People forget there are real human beings at FSU playing volleyball, running track, playing soccer. Realignment is about the money, no doubt, and football dwarfs everything else put together. But, we cannot become myopic because of that. If FSU went to the Big XII, what additional revenues would be eaten up by the additional travel across all sports? Probably not all of it, but it is not a zero sum game either, there would be added costs of joining a league for another region that would offest some of the additional profit.

But while the last couple of years, and especially since the SEC expanded, the FSU fanbase has been of two minds about our conference affiliation, what may be tipping the balance is that if the monetary disparity is so great between the ACC and say SEC, there is worry we simply will not be able to compete long-term. If UF makes $10mil more a year on the SEC's media rights and bowl package, over ten years that's $100mil. This is the problem, we cannot keep up with the Joneses with numbers like that. With the ACC signing with the Orange Bowl for $27.5mil, yeah, we have a seat at the table. But the SEC/Big XII/Big Ten/Pac-12 champs all get $40mil. And the SEC or Big Ten can get a second team in the Orange which gets paid the same money as the ACC champ. When that deal came out and the ACC was clearly behind the other four leagues in potential major bowl earnings, as well as the media rights deal... well, the numbers are what they are and I think some people's eyes opened a little wider.

To me the ticket out of this rests with ESPN. The Big Ten Network is owned by Fox (51% anyways), and Fox just took the Tier 1 and some Tier 2 content for both the Big XII and Pac-12. That's a lot of content for ESPN to lose. With the addition of ND and the reopening of negotiations, to occur in a less depressed economic climate than when we negotiated our current deal, if ESPN wants the ACC to provide a backbone for its overall inventory profile, it will need to step up to the plate and offer the ACC a deal more on par with the other four leagues'. ESPN is already losing market share, if FSU and Clemson bolt for the Big XII, UVa and GTech for the Big Ten, and UNC and VTech for the SEC (or whatever combo of teams to whatever combo of conferences), then the ACC is basically gutted, and Fox Sports wins on all three of those scenarios. Will ESPN let that happen? We also need to get an ACC Network up and running, as BTN showed it takes some time to build steam but eventually the carriage in the ACC region would fill the coffers with some much needed revenue. We have to get the Tier 3 rights back and some Tier 2 for that venture, which hopefully will be part of the renegotiation.

So, in short, FSU is content in the ACC. Some of our t-shirt fans want out in the worst way, but our fans that are graduates and otherwise appreciate the academic and non-football prowess of the ACC realize how good we have it. But in the end, it will come down to money, not out of greed, but out of fear that we have to have more to keep up with our (mostly SEC affiliated) neighbors.

We are as scared that you guys will bolt for the Big Ten or SEC as you are that we will bolt. If UNC and FSU stand pat, the ACC will be alright... but we need a new deal from ESPN and we need ESPN to have a sense of urgency to pony up the cash to keep our league viable, that is the key to the whole puzzle.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

Flint, we have nothing against good Big-10 fans. But we haven't been getting those, we have had a month of overbearing Big-10 fans telling us we will do what they tell us to do, and like it. We are a little trigger happy right now.

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

Gopher get back in your hole. You have no idea what ESPN will do and the Big1G is nothing more than the representative group of a dying, demographically declining economic wasteland. Regardless of what the individual schools in the ACC do for conference affiliation they will surpass the Big1G schools inevitably. The wealthy and educated are moving south and east. The Big1G insiders know this and made a desperate grab of MD and Rutgers trying to force the hand of ND, GaT, UVA and UNC and failed.

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expatriateheel, I am a Big Ten and Michigan fan and agree with many of the things you are saying except about the Big Ten being a dying wasteland. For your sake, I hope you can stay in the ACC with all of your traditional rivals, however, make no mistake, the Big Ten, along with the SEC are the two most powerful conferences in the country. Call it what you will; dying, demographically declining, economic wasteland, but the fact remains, some of the most powerful/succesful universities in the country academically and athletically are in the Midwest with huge alumni bases, huge stadiums, a growing footprint, now in Maryland, New Jersey, parts of Virginia, New York, and D.C., and the incredibly successful Big Ten Network with projected revenues for each Big Ten school to be at minimum, between $40-45 Million per team within a few years, while the ACC is currently locked into $17 million a year with ESPN until 2026, unless it can be re-negotiated. I am not slamming you, the great North Carolina Universit, it's fans or alumni, or the ACC, just countering some negative points about the Big Ten which most of us here in the Midwest love. Happy Holidays!!!

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Are you saying projections for the BTN revenues per school are projected to be $40-45mil? It's a little hard to believe that the BTN will be able to make $560mil a year after production costs (which is how much the network would need to net to make each of 14 schools $40mil). In fact, distribution per school from BTN revenues dropped from $7.9mil to $7.2mil from 2011 to 2012 (maybe Nebraska added divided up the pool more?). In any event, I see these numbers thrown around but I just don't see the BTN making a half billion dollars in one year.

But if such conference networks are so profitable, assuming the ACC could wrestle back its tier 3 rights, why couldn't an ACC Network be successful? The population density from New England to Florida is pretty high, carriage would fetch a pretty penny. Day after day we hear the Big Ten Network is making a half billion dollars soon and Big XII teams are selling their tier 3 rights for $15mil.

I think things get a little bit more exagerrated with each telling of the story.

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--- FlintTC wrote:

--- expatriateheel wrote:

Gopher get back in your hole. You have no idea what ESPN will do and the Big1G is nothing more than the representative group of a dying, demographically declining economic wasteland. Regardless of what the individual schools in the ACC do for conference affiliation they will surpass the Big1G schools inevitably. The wealthy and educated are moving south and east. The Big1G insiders know this and made a desperate grab of MD and Rutgers trying to force the hand of ND, GaT, UVA and UNC and failed.

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expatriateheel, I am a Big Ten and Michigan fan and agree with many of the things you are saying except about the Big Ten being a dying wasteland. For your sake, I hope you can stay in the ACC with all of your traditional rivals, however, make no mistake, the Big Ten, along with the SEC are the two most powerful conferences in the country. Call it what you will; dying, demographically declining, economic wasteland, but the fact remains, some of the most powerful/succesful universities in the country academically and athletically are in the Midwest with huge alumni bases, huge stadiums, a growing footprint in the growing areas of Maryland, parts of Virginia, New York, , New Jersey, and D.C.. Also, the incredibly successful Big Ten Network with projected revenues for each Big Ten school to be at minimum, between $40-45 Million per team within a few years, while the ACC is currently locked into $17 million a year with ESPN until 2026, unless it can be re-negotiated, is a tremendous benefit to our league. I am not slamming you, the great North Carolina University, it's fans or alumni, or the ACC, just countering some negative points about the Big Ten which most of us here in the Midwest love. Happy Holidays!!!

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

Flint, we have nothing against good Big-10 fans. But we haven't been getting those, we have had a month of overbearing Big-10 fans telling us we will do what they tell us to do, and like it. We are a little trigger happy right now.

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--- FlintTC wrote:

--- expatriateheel wrote:

Gopher get back in your hole. You have no idea what ESPN will do and the Big1G is nothing more than the representative group of a dying, demographically declining economic wasteland. Regardless of what the individual schools in the ACC do for conference affiliation they will surpass the Big1G schools inevitably. The wealthy and educated are moving south and east. The Big1G insiders know this and made a desperate grab of MD and Rutgers trying to force the hand of ND, GaT, UVA and UNC and failed.

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expatriateheel, I am a Big Ten and Michigan fan and agree with many of the things you are saying except about the Big Ten being a dying wasteland. For your sake, I hope you can stay in the ACC with all of your traditional rivals, however, make no mistake, the Big Ten, along with the SEC are the two most powerful conferences in the country. Call it what you will; dying, demographically declining, economic wasteland, but the fact remains, some of the most powerful/succesful universities in the country academically and athletically are in the Midwest with huge alumni bases, huge stadiums, a growing footprint, now in Maryland, New Jersey, parts of Virginia, New York, and D.C., and the incredibly successful Big Ten Network with projected revenues for each Big Ten school to be at minimum, between $40-45 Million per team within a few years, while the ACC is currently locked into $17 million a year with ESPN until 2026, unless it can be re-negotiated. I am not slamming you, the great North Carolina Universit, it's fans or alumni, or the ACC, just countering some negative points about the Big Ten which most of us here in the Midwest love. Happy Holidays!!!

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Keep in mind though that just because someone claims to be a Big Ten fan doesn't mean they are. I'm suspicious of Gopher1968, for example.

Been a Gopher since I graduated in 1968.

I just laid down some numbers showing what the ACC is up against.....but I guess logic has no place here.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

Flint, we have nothing against good Big-10 fans. But we haven't been getting those, we have had a month of overbearing Big-10 fans telling us we will do what they tell us to do, and like it. We are a little trigger happy right now.

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--- FlintTC wrote:

--- expatriateheel wrote:

Gopher get back in your hole. You have no idea what ESPN will do and the Big1G is nothing more than the representative group of a dying, demographically declining economic wasteland. Regardless of what the individual schools in the ACC do for conference affiliation they will surpass the Big1G schools inevitably. The wealthy and educated are moving south and east. The Big1G insiders know this and made a desperate grab of MD and Rutgers trying to force the hand of ND, GaT, UVA and UNC and failed.

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expatriateheel, I am a Big Ten and Michigan fan and agree with many of the things you are saying except about the Big Ten being a dying wasteland. For your sake, I hope you can stay in the ACC with all of your traditional rivals, however, make no mistake, the Big Ten, along with the SEC are the two most powerful conferences in the country. Call it what you will; dying, demographically declining, economic wasteland, but the fact remains, some of the most powerful/succesful universities in the country academically and athletically are in the Midwest with huge alumni bases, huge stadiums, a growing footprint, now in Maryland, New Jersey, parts of Virginia, New York, and D.C., and the incredibly successful Big Ten Network with projected revenues for each Big Ten school to be at minimum, between $40-45 Million per team within a few years, while the ACC is currently locked into $17 million a year with ESPN until 2026, unless it can be re-negotiated. I am not slamming you, the great North Carolina Universit, it's fans or alumni, or the ACC, just countering some negative points about the Big Ten which most of us here in the Midwest love. Happy Holidays!!!

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Keep in mind though that just because someone claims to be a Big Ten fan doesn't mean they are. I'm suspicious of Gopher1968, for example.

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Gopher, Why did the Wisc coach leave for Arkansas? He had won 3? B1G titles in a row?

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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:

For our friends that are FSU fans, could you please lay it out here? What does FSU feel the ACC needs to do to make them happy since many Seminoles seem to be miserable in the ACC and are always wanting to blame Swofford and UNC for all their woes?

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I think the segment of the FSU fanbase that blames Swofford or Tobacco Road for all their woes are just looking for something to hold on to for blame, it certainly is a glib analysis. The ACC adds schools like Syracuse and Pitt and some FSU fans cry, why not a "real" football power. Problem is, the "real football power tree" is out of fruit; the Penn States and Georgias of the world are spoken for. But, there is an issue with the Tier 3 rights going to Raycom, and Swofford's son's position at Raycom make some Nole fans feel there was an inside deal there that benefited the Swofford family to the detriment of the overall media rights package (the alternatives being either using that Tier 3 content to start up an ACC Network, or letting the individual schools sell them... though each can if the Tier 3 providers do not pick up the content).

Aside from that, there is no consensus among FSU fans about our conference home. I would say the faction that wants to defect certainly is vocal about it, but I think the silent majority wants to stay if it is financially feasible, and that is the heart of the question.

FSU has been in the ACC for twenty years now, we are not really an expansion school anymore, we have some sweat equity in this league. I believe the academic profile of the league has been beneficial to FSU. We are in the top 100 nationally and it is a very good school whose reputation has always lagged behind its actual quality. I don't want to overstate the ACC association's impact on FSU's academic standing, but to be associated with such strong schools lifts all boats. Our administration--at least the president and the Faculty Senate--are adamant that the value of the ACC association to the school academically is an important consideration (many people say Bobby Bowden steered us into the ACC instead of the SEC back in '91... it was really the Faculty Senate that did that).

When talking about sports other than football, the ACC is the premier league in the country. I do not believe this is debatable. Our basketball is second to none (and bringing Cuse and the Ville aboard, wow). Our Olympic sports are the best in the country too, and FSU has become a perennial top ten school in the Director's Cup standings. No other league offers FSU the platform the ACC does. People forget there are real human beings at FSU playing volleyball, running track, playing soccer. Realignment is about the money, no doubt, and football dwarfs everything else put together. But, we cannot become myopic because of that. If FSU went to the Big XII, what additional revenues would be eaten up by the additional travel across all sports? Probably not all of it, but it is not a zero sum game either, there would be added costs of joining a league for another region that would offest some of the additional profit.

But while the last couple of years, and especially since the SEC expanded, the FSU fanbase has been of two minds about our conference affiliation, what may be tipping the balance is that if the monetary disparity is so great between the ACC and say SEC, there is worry we simply will not be able to compete long-term. If UF makes $10mil more a year on the SEC's media rights and bowl package, over ten years that's $100mil. This is the problem, we cannot keep up with the Joneses with numbers like that. With the ACC signing with the Orange Bowl for $27.5mil, yeah, we have a seat at the table. But the SEC/Big XII/Big Ten/Pac-12 champs all get $40mil. And the SEC or Big Ten can get a second team in the Orange which gets paid the same money as the ACC champ. When that deal came out and the ACC was clearly behind the other four leagues in potential major bowl earnings, as well as the media rights deal... well, the numbers are what they are and I think some people's eyes opened a little wider.

To me the ticket out of this rests with ESPN. The Big Ten Network is owned by Fox (51% anyways), and Fox just took the Tier 1 and some Tier 2 content for both the Big XII and Pac-12. That's a lot of content for ESPN to lose. With the addition of ND and the reopening of negotiations, to occur in a less depressed economic climate than when we negotiated our current deal, if ESPN wants the ACC to provide a backbone for its overall inventory profile, it will need to step up to the plate and offer the ACC a deal more on par with the other four leagues'. ESPN is already losing market share, if FSU and Clemson bolt for the Big XII, UVa and GTech for the Big Ten, and UNC and VTech for the SEC (or whatever combo of teams to whatever combo of conferences), then the ACC is basically gutted, and Fox Sports wins on all three of those scenarios. Will ESPN let that happen? We also need to get an ACC Network up and running, as BTN showed it takes some time to build steam but eventually the carriage in the ACC region would fill the coffers with some much needed revenue. We have to get the Tier 3 rights back and some Tier 2 for that venture, which hopefully will be part of the renegotiation.

So, in short, FSU is content in the ACC. Some of our t-shirt fans want out in the worst way, but our fans that are graduates and otherwise appreciate the academic and non-football prowess of the ACC realize how good we have it. But in the end, it will come down to money, not out of greed, but out of fear that we have to have more to keep up with our (mostly SEC affiliated) neighbors.

We are as scared that you guys will bolt for the Big Ten or SEC as you are that we will bolt. If UNC and FSU stand pat, the ACC will be alright... but we need a new deal from ESPN and we need ESPN to have a sense of urgency to pony up the cash to keep our league viable, that is the key to the whole puzzle.

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Excellent post, NSN. And, thanks for your candor.

Your very last paragraph summed it up best for me. I am very hopeful that the ACC will stand together as a unit. To me, FSU are family. Maybe not brothers, like original ACC members, but, the crazy surfer-dude cousins from further down South. :D

Your point about FSU and UNC standing pat is well-taken. I'd also add Clemson and UVA to that list as well. I'm pretty excited about Pitt and Syracuse coming in next fall, and, UL right after that. Football is cyclical, and, its time for the ACC to trend upwards. You all have the opportunity to cap off a tremendous season with a BCS bowl win, and, CU can claim an impressive scalp in the Chick-fil-A Bowl. Performing well in the bowls is something we all know the league NEEDS in the worst way.

Your perogative to beleive it or not beleive it. In 2014 once Rutgers and Maryland are on board, at minimum, the projections are that the Big Ten payout per school will increase from it's current $25 Million per team to $30-35 Million per team, or basically double what the embarrasing deal the ACC is locked into until 2026. By 2017, when the Big Ten's new deal will be negotiated, and with the Big Ten Network in all of Maryland, D.C., New Jersey, and parts of Virginia and New York, at minimum, the projects are for each Big Ten team to be paid between $40-45 Million. This is much, much more than the SEC will be able to do for several year.

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Are you saying projections for the BTN revenues per school are projected to be $40-45mil? It's a little hard to believe that the BTN will be able to make $560mil a year after production costs (which is how much the network would need to net to make each of 14 schools $40mil). In fact, distribution per school from BTN revenues dropped from $7.9mil to $7.2mil from 2011 to 2012 (maybe Nebraska added divided up the pool more?). In any event, I see these numbers thrown around but I just don't see the BTN making a half billion dollars in one year.

But if such conference networks are so profitable, assuming the ACC could wrestle back its tier 3 rights, why couldn't an ACC Network be successful? The population density from New England to Florida is pretty high, carriage would fetch a pretty penny. Day after day we hear the Big Ten Network is making a half billion dollars soon and Big XII teams are selling their tier 3 rights for $15mil.

I think things get a little bit more exagerrated with each telling of the story.

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--- FlintTC wrote:

--- expatriateheel wrote:

Gopher get back in your hole. You have no idea what ESPN will do and the Big1G is nothing more than the representative group of a dying, demographically declining economic wasteland. Regardless of what the individual schools in the ACC do for conference affiliation they will surpass the Big1G schools inevitably. The wealthy and educated are moving south and east. The Big1G insiders know this and made a desperate grab of MD and Rutgers trying to force the hand of ND, GaT, UVA and UNC and failed.

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expatriateheel, I am a Big Ten and Michigan fan and agree with many of the things you are saying except about the Big Ten being a dying wasteland. For your sake, I hope you can stay in the ACC with all of your traditional rivals, however, make no mistake, the Big Ten, along with the SEC are the two most powerful conferences in the country. Call it what you will; dying, demographically declining, economic wasteland, but the fact remains, some of the most powerful/succesful universities in the country academically and athletically are in the Midwest with huge alumni bases, huge stadiums, a growing footprint in the growing areas of Maryland, parts of Virginia, New York, , New Jersey, and D.C.. Also, the incredibly successful Big Ten Network with projected revenues for each Big Ten school to be at minimum, between $40-45 Million per team within a few years, while the ACC is currently locked into $17 million a year with ESPN until 2026, unless it can be re-negotiated, is a tremendous benefit to our league. I am not slamming you, the great North Carolina University, it's fans or alumni, or the ACC, just countering some negative points about the Big Ten which most of us here in the Midwest love. Happy Holidays!!!

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Theses are only projections based on whether the providers will actually pay the higher fees. Maryland and Rutgers although they are part of large TV markets are larger based in areas that are: 1) Largely apathetic to
college sports and 2) Not steeped in B1G traditions. Those people would pay extra fro Pro Sports because thats what they care about.
You are banking on those people willing to pay the extra amount for games they don't even care about. Provider executives will throw that right back in the face of B1G negotiators.

We are already seeing push back from Direct/Dish/Comcast ....ect


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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:

For our friends that are FSU fans, could you please lay it out here? What does FSU feel the ACC needs to do to make them happy since many Seminoles seem to be miserable in the ACC and are always wanting to blame Swofford and UNC for all their woes?

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I think the segment of the FSU fanbase that blames Swofford or Tobacco Road for all their woes are just looking for something to hold on to for blame, it certainly is a glib analysis. The ACC adds schools like Syracuse and Pitt and some FSU fans cry, why not a "real" football power. Problem is, the "real football power tree" is out of fruit; the Penn States and Georgias of the world are spoken for. But, there is an issue with the Tier 3 rights going to Raycom, and Swofford's son's position at Raycom make some Nole fans feel there was an inside deal there that benefited the Swofford family to the detriment of the overall media rights package (the alternatives being either using that Tier 3 content to start up an ACC Network, or letting the individual schools sell them... though each can if the Tier 3 providers do not pick up the content).

Aside from that, there is no consensus among FSU fans about our conference home. I would say the faction that wants to defect certainly is vocal about it, but I think the silent majority wants to stay if it is financially feasible, and that is the heart of the question.

FSU has been in the ACC for twenty years now, we are not really an expansion school anymore, we have some sweat equity in this league. I believe the academic profile of the league has been beneficial to FSU. We are in the top 100 nationally and it is a very good school whose reputation has always lagged behind its actual quality. I don't want to overstate the ACC association's impact on FSU's academic standing, but to be associated with such strong schools lifts all boats. Our administration--at least the president and the Faculty Senate--are adamant that the value of the ACC association to the school academically is an important consideration (many people say Bobby Bowden steered us into the ACC instead of the SEC back in '91... it was really the Faculty Senate that did that).

When talking about sports other than football, the ACC is the premier league in the country. I do not believe this is debatable. Our basketball is second to none (and bringing Cuse and the Ville aboard, wow). Our Olympic sports are the best in the country too, and FSU has become a perennial top ten school in the Director's Cup standings. No other league offers FSU the platform the ACC does. People forget there are real human beings at FSU playing volleyball, running track, playing soccer. Realignment is about the money, no doubt, and football dwarfs everything else put together. But, we cannot become myopic because of that. If FSU went to the Big XII, what additional revenues would be eaten up by the additional travel across all sports? Probably not all of it, but it is not a zero sum game either, there would be added costs of joining a league for another region that would offest some of the additional profit.

But while the last couple of years, and especially since the SEC expanded, the FSU fanbase has been of two minds about our conference affiliation, what may be tipping the balance is that if the monetary disparity is so great between the ACC and say SEC, there is worry we simply will not be able to compete long-term. If UF makes $10mil more a year on the SEC's media rights and bowl package, over ten years that's $100mil. This is the problem, we cannot keep up with the Joneses with numbers like that. With the ACC signing with the Orange Bowl for $27.5mil, yeah, we have a seat at the table. But the SEC/Big XII/Big Ten/Pac-12 champs all get $40mil. And the SEC or Big Ten can get a second team in the Orange which gets paid the same money as the ACC champ. When that deal came out and the ACC was clearly behind the other four leagues in potential major bowl earnings, as well as the media rights deal... well, the numbers are what they are and I think some people's eyes opened a little wider.

To me the ticket out of this rests with ESPN. The Big Ten Network is owned by Fox (51% anyways), and Fox just took the Tier 1 and some Tier 2 content for both the Big XII and Pac-12. That's a lot of content for ESPN to lose. With the addition of ND and the reopening of negotiations, to occur in a less depressed economic climate than when we negotiated our current deal, if ESPN wants the ACC to provide a backbone for its overall inventory profile, it will need to step up to the plate and offer the ACC a deal more on par with the other four leagues'. ESPN is already losing market share, if FSU and Clemson bolt for the Big XII, UVa and GTech for the Big Ten, and UNC and VTech for the SEC (or whatever combo of teams to whatever combo of conferences), then the ACC is basically gutted, and Fox Sports wins on all three of those scenarios. Will ESPN let that happen? We also need to get an ACC Network up and running, as BTN showed it takes some time to build steam but eventually the carriage in the ACC region would fill the coffers with some much needed revenue. We have to get the Tier 3 rights back and some Tier 2 for that venture, which hopefully will be part of the renegotiation.

So, in short, FSU is content in the ACC. Some of our t-shirt fans want out in the worst way, but our fans that are graduates and otherwise appreciate the academic and non-football prowess of the ACC realize how good we have it. But in the end, it will come down to money, not out of greed, but out of fear that we have to have more to keep up with our (mostly SEC affiliated) neighbors.

We are as scared that you guys will bolt for the Big Ten or SEC as you are that we will bolt. If UNC and FSU stand pat, the ACC will be alright... but we need a new deal from ESPN and we need ESPN to have a sense of urgency to pony up the cash to keep our league viable, that is the key to the whole puzzle.

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Excellent post, NSN. And, thanks for your candor.

Your very last paragraph summed it up best for me. I am very hopeful that the ACC will stand together as a unit. To me, FSU are family. Maybe not brothers, like original ACC members, but, the crazy surfer-dude cousins from further down South. :D

Your point about FSU and UNC standing pat is well-taken. I'd also add Clemson and UVA to that list as well. I'm pretty excited about Pitt and Syracuse coming in next fall, and, UL right after that. Football is cyclical, and, its time for the ACC to trend upwards. You all have the opportunity to cap off a tremendous season with a BCS bowl win, and, CU can claim an impressive scalp in the Chick-fil-A Bowl. Performing well in the bowls is something we all know the league NEEDS in the worst way.

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--- WesternStormer wrote:

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--- tarheelmiracle wrote:

For our friends that are FSU fans, could you please lay it out here? What does FSU feel the ACC needs to do to make them happy since many Seminoles seem to be miserable in the ACC and are always wanting to blame Swofford and UNC for all their woes?

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I think the segment of the FSU fanbase that blames Swofford or Tobacco Road for all their woes are just looking for something to hold on to for blame, it certainly is a glib analysis. The ACC adds schools like Syracuse and Pitt and some FSU fans cry, why not a "real" football power. Problem is, the "real football power tree" is out of fruit; the Penn States and Georgias of the world are spoken for. But, there is an issue with the Tier 3 rights going to Raycom, and Swofford's son's position at Raycom make some Nole fans feel there was an inside deal there that benefited the Swofford family to the detriment of the overall media rights package (the alternatives being either using that Tier 3 content to start up an ACC Network, or letting the individual schools sell them... though each can if the Tier 3 providers do not pick up the content).

Aside from that, there is no consensus among FSU fans about our conference home. I would say the faction that wants to defect certainly is vocal about it, but I think the silent majority wants to stay if it is financially feasible, and that is the heart of the question.

FSU has been in the ACC for twenty years now, we are not really an expansion school anymore, we have some sweat equity in this league. I believe the academic profile of the league has been beneficial to FSU. We are in the top 100 nationally and it is a very good school whose reputation has always lagged behind its actual quality. I don't want to overstate the ACC association's impact on FSU's academic standing, but to be associated with such strong schools lifts all boats. Our administration--at least the president and the Faculty Senate--are adamant that the value of the ACC association to the school academically is an important consideration (many people say Bobby Bowden steered us into the ACC instead of the SEC back in '91... it was really the Faculty Senate that did that).

When talking about sports other than football, the ACC is the premier league in the country. I do not believe this is debatable. Our basketball is second to none (and bringing Cuse and the Ville aboard, wow). Our Olympic sports are the best in the country too, and FSU has become a perennial top ten school in the Director's Cup standings. No other league offers FSU the platform the ACC does. People forget there are real human beings at FSU playing volleyball, running track, playing soccer. Realignment is about the money, no doubt, and football dwarfs everything else put together. But, we cannot become myopic because of that. If FSU went to the Big XII, what additional revenues would be eaten up by the additional travel across all sports? Probably not all of it, but it is not a zero sum game either, there would be added costs of joining a league for another region that would offest some of the additional profit.

But while the last couple of years, and especially since the SEC expanded, the FSU fanbase has been of two minds about our conference affiliation, what may be tipping the balance is that if the monetary disparity is so great between the ACC and say SEC, there is worry we simply will not be able to compete long-term. If UF makes $10mil more a year on the SEC's media rights and bowl package, over ten years that's $100mil. This is the problem, we cannot keep up with the Joneses with numbers like that. With the ACC signing with the Orange Bowl for $27.5mil, yeah, we have a seat at the table. But the SEC/Big XII/Big Ten/Pac-12 champs all get $40mil. And the SEC or Big Ten can get a second team in the Orange which gets paid the same money as the ACC champ. When that deal came out and the ACC was clearly behind the other four leagues in potential major bowl earnings, as well as the media rights deal... well, the numbers are what they are and I think some people's eyes opened a little wider.

To me the ticket out of this rests with ESPN. The Big Ten Network is owned by Fox (51% anyways), and Fox just took the Tier 1 and some Tier 2 content for both the Big XII and Pac-12. That's a lot of content for ESPN to lose. With the addition of ND and the reopening of negotiations, to occur in a less depressed economic climate than when we negotiated our current deal, if ESPN wants the ACC to provide a backbone for its overall inventory profile, it will need to step up to the plate and offer the ACC a deal more on par with the other four leagues'. ESPN is already losing market share, if FSU and Clemson bolt for the Big XII, UVa and GTech for the Big Ten, and UNC and VTech for the SEC (or whatever combo of teams to whatever combo of conferences), then the ACC is basically gutted, and Fox Sports wins on all three of those scenarios. Will ESPN let that happen? We also need to get an ACC Network up and running, as BTN showed it takes some time to build steam but eventually the carriage in the ACC region would fill the coffers with some much needed revenue. We have to get the Tier 3 rights back and some Tier 2 for that venture, which hopefully will be part of the renegotiation.

So, in short, FSU is content in the ACC. Some of our t-shirt fans want out in the worst way, but our fans that are graduates and otherwise appreciate the academic and non-football prowess of the ACC realize how good we have it. But in the end, it will come down to money, not out of greed, but out of fear that we have to have more to keep up with our (mostly SEC affiliated) neighbors.

We are as scared that you guys will bolt for the Big Ten or SEC as you are that we will bolt. If UNC and FSU stand pat, the ACC will be alright... but we need a new deal from ESPN and we need ESPN to have a sense of urgency to pony up the cash to keep our league viable, that is the key to the whole puzzle.

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Excellent post, NSN. And, thanks for your candor.

Your very last paragraph summed it up best for me. I am very hopeful that the ACC will stand together as a unit. To me, FSU are family. Maybe not brothers, like original ACC members, but, the crazy surfer-dude cousins from further down South. :D

Your point about FSU and UNC standing pat is well-taken. I'd also add Clemson and UVA to that list as well. I'm pretty excited about Pitt and Syracuse coming in next fall, and, UL right after that. Football is cyclical, and, its time for the ACC to trend upwards. You all have the opportunity to cap off a tremendous season with a BCS bowl win, and, CU can claim an impressive scalp in the Chick-fil-A Bowl. Performing well in the bowls is something we all know the league NEEDS in the worst way.

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Theses are only projections based on whether the providers will actually pay the higher fees. Maryland and Rutgers although they are part of large TV markets are larger based in areas that are: 1) Largely apathetic to
college sports and 2) Not steeped in B1G traditions. Those people would pay extra fro Pro Sports because thats what they care about.
You are banking on those people willing to pay the extra amount for games they don't even care about. Provider executives will throw that right back in the face of B1G negotiators.

We are already seeing push back from Direct/Dish/Comcast ....ect

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IIRC, the Pac-12 has seen pushback from the satellite TV folks. The P12N is not either DirecTV or Dish yet, is it?

It will be interesting to see how the pay tv markets for RU and UMD react to the BTN.

espn.go.com/college-football/s...sees-advantages

Man I hate seeing "Big 10" and "North Carolina" in articles even if I don't believe it will ever happen.

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espn.go.com/college-football/s...sees-advantages

Man I hate seeing "Big 10" and "North Carolina" in articles even if I don't believe it will ever happen.

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Then, UNC fans who'd prefer to see Carolina in the SEC if it all goes sideways, need to make their feelings known to the University's powers-that-be.

In a respectful and courteous manner, of course.

I sent a thoughtful email expressing my grave concern over the idea that the Big 10 would be a suitable place to land. I never explicitly mentioned the SEC... I actually got some kind replies from BOT members.

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espn.go.com/college-football/s...sees-advantages

Man I hate seeing "Big 10" and "North Carolina" in articles even if I don't believe it will ever happen.

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Then, UNC fans who'd prefer to see Carolina in the SEC if it all goes sideways, need to make their feelings known to the University's powers-that-be.

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--- NorthStateNole wrote:

Are you saying projections for the BTN revenues per school are projected to be $40-45mil? It's a little hard to believe that the BTN will be able to make $560mil a year after production costs (which is how much the network would need to net to make each of 14 schools $40mil).
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I think you guys are conflating Big Ten's total payout with revenue that comes just from the Big Ten Network. The B1G's TOTAL PAYOUT is projected to be $40-47 million per team by 2017. That includes BTN money as well as other media (ESPN/ABC/FOX), the B1G title game, bowl game revenue, etc.

By comparison, the ACC's total payout will only be slightly above $20M per team.

Uh... folks were a little trigger happy at the beginning of the month. The "economic wasteland" remark has been used since day 1.

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Flint, we have nothing against good Big-10 fans. But we haven't been getting those, we have had a month of overbearing Big-10 fans telling us we will do what they tell us to do, and like it. We are a little trigger happy right now.

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--- FlintTC wrote:

--- expatriateheel wrote:

Gopher get back in your hole. You have no idea what ESPN will do and the Big1G is nothing more than the representative group of a dying, demographically declining economic wasteland. Regardless of what the individual schools in the ACC do for conference affiliation they will surpass the Big1G schools inevitably. The wealthy and educated are moving south and east. The Big1G insiders know this and made a desperate grab of MD and Rutgers trying to force the hand of ND, GaT, UVA and UNC and failed.

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expatriateheel, I am a Big Ten and Michigan fan and agree with many of the things you are saying except about the Big Ten being a dying wasteland. For your sake, I hope you can stay in the ACC with all of your traditional rivals, however, make no mistake, the Big Ten, along with the SEC are the two most powerful conferences in the country. Call it what you will; dying, demographically declining, economic wasteland, but the fact remains, some of the most powerful/succesful universities in the country academically and athletically are in the Midwest with huge alumni bases, huge stadiums, a growing footprint, now in Maryland, New Jersey, parts of Virginia, New York, and D.C., and the incredibly successful Big Ten Network with projected revenues for each Big Ten school to be at minimum, between $40-45 Million per team within a few years, while the ACC is currently locked into $17 million a year with ESPN until 2026, unless it can be re-negotiated. I am not slamming you, the great North Carolina Universit, it's fans or alumni, or the ACC, just countering some negative points about the Big Ten which most of us here in the Midwest love. Happy Holidays!!!

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Really! Projections are merely speculation based on best case assumptions. The cable companies are already pushing back against the costs of these networks because they are losing subs. I don't think anyone can realistically say what the payouts will be past the existing contracts. The B whatever is selling hope, not reality.

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espn.go.com/college-football/s...sees-advantages

Man I hate seeing "Big 10" and "North Carolina" in articles even if I don't believe it will ever happen.

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Then, UNC fans who'd prefer to see Carolina in the SEC if it all goes sideways, need to make their feelings known to the University's powers-that-be.

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I sent a thoughtful email expressing my grave concern over the idea that the Big 10 would be a suitable place to land. I never explicitly mentioned the SEC... I actually got some kind replies from BOT members.

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That is exactly what I hoped to hear. Approach them in a respectful manner, express concerns thoughtfully, and, get good replies back.

Sorry... It's a mobile link (could someone repost the link in a non-mobile hyperlink... I couldn't for some reason)

m.si.com/400047/maryland-in-li...f-big-ten-move/

Pete Thamel: Maryland in line for mammoth financial bump in wake of Big Ten jump

"Here's how the financial payout per school breaks down for upcoming years, according to the information Delany relayed to Maryland officials: The school will make $32 million in 2014, $33 million in 2015, $34.5 million in 2016 and then $43 million in 2017."

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Sorry... It's a mobile link (could someone repost the link in a non-mobile hyperlink... I couldn't for some reason)

m.si.com/400047/maryland-in-li...f-big-ten-move/

Pete Thamel: Maryland in line for mammoth financial bump in wake of Big Ten jump

"Here's how the financial payout per school breaks down for upcoming years, according to the information Delany relayed to Maryland officials: The school will make $32 million in 2014, $33 million in 2015, $34.5 million in 2016 and then $43 million in 2017."

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Delaney lied. Only a complete fool would believe those numbers.

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--- tarheelphil89 wrote:

espn.go.com/college-football/s...sees-advantages

Man I hate seeing "Big 10" and "North Carolina" in articles even if I don't believe it will ever happen.

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And, from this article, ESPN's report of the expected revenue:

The Big Ten, already the richest conference in the nation, will be negotiating a new media rights deal in 2017, and it is expected to pay each school more than $40 million annually.

expected.......projected....possible.....maybe if we can convince the providers Maryland and Rutgers fans actually care about B1G sports............BS !!!!

I see the bubble on sports "up charges" busting like the tech stocks and housing markets before it. Cable and Satellite Providers are already pushing back successfully.

The SEC is the richest conference as far as athletics, and they will start to pull away because they have the best product, a basic fact that no B1G fan can deny...

I mean their conference winning coach just left to go to Arkansas..........think about that............




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--- tarheelphil89 wrote:

espn.go.com/college-football/s...sees-advantages

Man I hate seeing "Big 10" and "North Carolina" in articles even if I don't believe it will ever happen.

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And, from this article, ESPN's report of the expected revenue:

The Big Ten, already the richest conference in the nation, will be negotiating a new media rights deal in 2017, and it is expected to pay each school more than $40 million annually.

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gatortalk1.blogspot.com/2012/1...ealignment.html


GaTech and Virginia to join Maryland and bolt for the Big
10.

FSU, VaTech, and Clemson to make a run for the
Big 12.

North Carolina and DUKE for the SEC....create
the total package for TV.

One thing no one seems to be mentioning...do you really think we're going to be watching TV with bundled packages of channels from cable/satellite companies in 10 years? It seems to me that whatever device you choose to consume content on will be much more a la carte in the future. Some of these projections seem terribly short sighted to me as technology is going to change how many of these deals work in the near future.

I do think the idea of the SEC adding UNC and Duke is interesting. Truthfully, they are so far ahead in football that they don't really need to get stronger (honestly they probably need a couple more easier wins so it isn't so hard for one of their teams to go undefeated) but adding basketball and other sports is certainly beneficial. That said, I just can't imagine that they wouldn't go for 1 team in NC and 1 in VA...taking 2 NC teams and leaving VA for other conferences seems such a bad financial decision.

Duke & UNC going to the SEC does work....for both sides of the equation. But under the Gator Bowl Exec scenario it would seem Miami FL & NCST gets left out in the cold.


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One thing no one seems to be mentioning...do you really think we're going to be watching TV with bundled packages of channels from cable/satellite companies in 10 years? It seems to me that whatever device you choose to consume content on will be much more a la carte in the future. Some of these projections seem terribly short sighted to me as technology is going to change how many of these deals work in the near future.

I do think the idea of the SEC adding UNC and Duke is interesting. Truthfully, they are so far ahead in football that they don't really need to get stronger (honestly they probably need a couple more easier wins so it isn't so hard for one of their teams to go undefeated) but adding basketball and other sports is certainly beneficial. That said, I just can't imagine that they wouldn't go for 1 team in NC and 1 in VA...taking 2 NC teams and leaving VA for other conferences seems such a bad financial decision.

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--- Gopher1968 wrote:

gatortalk1.blogspot.com/2012/1...ealignment.html


GaTech and Virginia to join Maryland and bolt for the Big
10.

FSU, VaTech, and Clemson to make a run for the
Big 12.

North Carolina and DUKE for the SEC....create
the total package for TV.

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Why is it complete BS?

Why wouldn't the SEC make a huge play for Duke & UNC?....why wouldn't they accept the offer?

The Minnesota Golden Gophers, who have not been good in Football since the 1960's made a bigger profit in their football program this year than FSU & Clemson ...why wouldn't they bolt from the ACC as well?


This "Gator Guy" may not have it nailed....but complete BS?


Hardly.


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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

Complete BS

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--- Gopher1968 wrote:

gatortalk1.blogspot.com/2012/1...ealignment.html


GaTech and Virginia to join Maryland and bolt for the Big
10.

FSU, VaTech, and Clemson to make a run for the
Big 12.

North Carolina and DUKE for the SEC....create
the total package for TV.

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UNC to the Big 10????

When hell freezes over!!!!

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UNC to the Big 10????

When hell freezes over!!!!

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Well then you may not want to forget your jacket. Billions make for strange bedfellows and I think Delaney and Slive are probably spooning on this one. Don't blame the northern schools. It is all about money. BIG is going to 20. SEC to 16 and big 12, well to 12. Having in state schools in different conferences makes since from a money aspect because many people will follow an instate school that is not there favorite if they were separated. Both SEC and BIG want NC and VA footprint. So you split them. VT and NC ST. to SEC makes 16 and is the best fit and accomplishes a goal of 16. Clemson,Florida ST and Miami to Big 12 makes 13. BIG wants Kansas for some reason and Notre Dame will make 16. Add Virginia and I am sorry NC = 18. 2 more to get to 20. How about keeping a great rivalry in place and throw Duke in there and GT for the Atlanta market. Merge ACC remainders with Big East and have another minor conferences. A few of those schools left over may eventually go somewhere not in the BIG.

Its complete BS because:

1) Speculation from a blog...rehashed a hundred times from hundred different people who are not in the know....crap. You should never reference this if you are trying to make a sound argument.

2)The SEC doesn't need Dook......The only need one school from NC and VA to complete their footprint. They like flagship schools UVA and UNC fit that.

UNC is the jewel of the ACC, as arrogant as that sounds. If UNC leaves the ACC is dead. And if they are already in a weak conference why would they settle for second or third best in the B1G ? Because as much as you trumpet B1G, they are still second best in product and money when it comes to the SEC. Any TV exec knows this.


The coach of the B1G team that just won the championship game left for his team to go to an SEC school that right now isn't even the middle of the pack in that conference. Even he knows what apparently you don't.



Your Honor, I rest my case...........

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--- Gopher1968 wrote:

Why is it complete BS?

Why wouldn't the SEC make a huge play for Duke & UNC?....why wouldn't they accept the offer?

The Minnesota Golden Gophers, who have not been good in Football since the 1960's made a bigger profit in their football program this year than FSU & Clemson ...why wouldn't they bolt from the ACC as well?


This "Gator Guy" may not have it nailed....but complete BS?


Hardly.


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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

Complete BS

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--- Gopher1968 wrote:

gatortalk1.blogspot.com/2012/1...ealignment.html


GaTech and Virginia to join Maryland and bolt for the Big
10.

FSU, VaTech, and Clemson to make a run for the
Big 12.

North Carolina and DUKE for the SEC....create
the total package for TV.

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Duke & UNC going to the SEC does work....for both sides of the equation. But under the Gator Bowl Exec scenario it would seem Miami FL & NCST gets left out in the cold.


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--- dunkman04 wrote:

One thing no one seems to be mentioning...do you really think we're going to be watching TV with bundled packages of channels from cable/satellite companies in 10 years? It seems to me that whatever device you choose to consume content on will be much more a la carte in the future. Some of these projections seem terribly short sighted to me as technology is going to change how many of these deals work in the near future.

I do think the idea of the SEC adding UNC and Duke is interesting. Truthfully, they are so far ahead in football that they don't really need to get stronger (honestly they probably need a couple more easier wins so it isn't so hard for one of their teams to go undefeated) but adding basketball and other sports is certainly beneficial. That said, I just can't imagine that they wouldn't go for 1 team in NC and 1 in VA...taking 2 NC teams and leaving VA for other conferences seems such a bad financial decision.

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Oh, well then I'm certainly opposed to it, as I wouldn't want our dear brothers at NCeSt and those exemplary citizens at Yermammi to be hurt in any way. NOT!!!!!! Do it yesterday!

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--- Gopher1968 wrote:


Duke & UNC going to the SEC does work....for both sides of the equation. But under the Gator Bowl Exec scenario it would seem Miami FL & NCST gets left out in the cold.


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--- dunkman04 wrote:

One thing no one seems to be mentioning...do you really think we're going to be watching TV with bundled packages of channels from cable/satellite companies in 10 years? It seems to me that whatever device you choose to consume content on will be much more a la carte in the future. Some of these projections seem terribly short sighted to me as technology is going to change how many of these deals work in the near future.

I do think the idea of the SEC adding UNC and Duke is interesting. Truthfully, they are so far ahead in football that they don't really need to get stronger (honestly they probably need a couple more easier wins so it isn't so hard for one of their teams to go undefeated) but adding basketball and other sports is certainly beneficial. That said, I just can't imagine that they wouldn't go for 1 team in NC and 1 in VA...taking 2 NC teams and leaving VA for other conferences seems such a bad financial decision.

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Oh, well then I'm certainly opposed to it, as I wouldn't want our dear brothers at NCeSt and those exemplary citizens at Yermammi to be hurt in any way. NOT!!!!!! Do it yesterday!

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That would be hilarious. I don't so much care what happens to dook, they're 8 miles away, we can shoot hoops once a year if we want to. As for dear old Hoo-vee-ay, we'll miss y'all, tell Sally "Hello" for me. As for State, your rivalry games with ECU for Big East supremacy (aka the Libby's Potted Meat Challenge) will be legendary shootouts, both on the field and in the parking lot. Go Pirates!

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--- Gopher1968 wrote:


Duke & UNC going to the SEC does work....for both sides of the equation. But under the Gator Bowl Exec scenario it would seem Miami FL & NCST gets left out in the cold.


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--- dunkman04 wrote:

One thing no one seems to be mentioning...do you really think we're going to be watching TV with bundled packages of channels from cable/satellite companies in 10 years? It seems to me that whatever device you choose to consume content on will be much more a la carte in the future. Some of these projections seem terribly short sighted to me as technology is going to change how many of these deals work in the near future.

I do think the idea of the SEC adding UNC and Duke is interesting. Truthfully, they are so far ahead in football that they don't really need to get stronger (honestly they probably need a couple more easier wins so it isn't so hard for one of their teams to go undefeated) but adding basketball and other sports is certainly beneficial. That said, I just can't imagine that they wouldn't go for 1 team in NC and 1 in VA...taking 2 NC teams and leaving VA for other conferences seems such a bad financial decision.

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Oh, well then I'm certainly opposed to it, as I wouldn't want our dear brothers at NCeSt and those exemplary citizens at Yermammi to be hurt in any way. NOT!!!!!! Do it yesterday!

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That would be hilarious. I don't so much care what happens to dook, they're 8 miles away, we can shoot hoops once a year if we want to. As for dear old Hoo-vee-ay, we'll miss y'all, tell Sally "Hello" for me. As for State, your rivalry games with ECU for Big East supremacy (aka the Libby's Potted Meat Challenge) will be legendary shootouts, both on the field and in the parking lot. Go Pirates!

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Heck, I'd go to those games just to watch the fights.

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

Delaney lied. Only a complete fool would believe those numbers.

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Maryland hired one of the top accounting firms in the country to evaluate the projections before accepting the Big Ten offer. The numbers checked out.

Probably should have hired that firm to run the numbers while Debbie was there. Maybe they wouldn't have to join a conference whose going to bitterly surprised in few years........

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--- expatriateheel wrote:

Delaney lied. Only a complete fool would believe those numbers.

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Maryland hired one of the top accounting firms in the country to evaluate the projections before accepting the Big Ten offer. The numbers checked out.

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