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--- GopherHeel wrote:

Clemson and FSU aren't coming to the big 10. They don't meet the academic profile.

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LOL...Clemson and Florida State don't meet the profile, but, Nebraska does? Thats some funny stuff right there. Clemson (68) and FSU (97) are both ranked ahead of UNL (101).

UNL is not some academic bellwether of the plains, just because they're in the B10.

Notre Dame doesn't meet the academic profile, either, but the B10 would take them in a heartbeat.

If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

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--- phatassjungle wrote:

NC fits in the BIG like a glove.

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OJ, is that you?

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Academically Better fit BIG or SEC ? Football ? Basketball? Follow the billions and not the millions.

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--- Heel Fire wrote:

Those would be some long road trips. There's a few ways this could go. Isn't Penn State a island in a sea of ACC? Maybe the ACC could steal them (albeit not a popular time to tote PSU). No matter what, you gotta figure the B10 will leave a spot open for Notre Dame until the very end. It would be an immense shock if UNC left the other 3 NC schools. Personally, I think Wake's days are numbered for Div-1 football. Who the hey wants them?

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Wake was a yummy cupcake for Notre Dame.

Find it odd that as great a recruiter Butch was billed as the slide of losing in-state talent slid even further.

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--- therabidrev wrote:

If you're sitting on the fence today over the SEC-B1G decision, watch the UGA/Bama game. Notice two Dawg players. Marshall went to my high school, Millbrook, in Raleigh, a 30 minute drive from our campus in Chapel Hill. Gurley played at Tarboro, which produced the legendary Kelvin Bryant, along with Shaun Draughn, Issac Mooring and countless other Tar Heel footballers. Both programs have gone deep in the state playoffs the last few years, Tarboro's won multiple titles, and both send lots of talent to the next level. And guess where they're sending that talent now? The SEC...

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I wish no ill will upon those two young men. I hope they have happy, healthy pro careers and productive lives, and come back to NC and give back to their communities. But I'd much rather see them in Carolina blue than in that nasty red and black, pretending that they're playing for our nation's first state university (Georgia was chartered in 1785, opened in 1801). If they were in heavenly blue they wouldn't have to pretend: to be rather than to seem. Roll Tide!

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If you go with pods, 18 schools with six 3-team pods works out very well.

Confederate – UNC, UVA, GT
Crabcakes – MD, PS, Rut
Corn Belt – OSU, IN, IL
Rust Belt – ND, MS, Pur
Snowflake – MN, WI, MI
Flatland – NE, Iowa, NW


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--- Nittany3G wrote:

I know that almost everyone on this board seems to want to go SEC, but as a Penn Stater living in FL, if the B10 goes to 20, here's my pipe-dream:

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WEST (THE OLD BIG 10):

Michigan
Michigan St.
Ohio State
Northwestern
Indiana/Purdue
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Illinois
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska


EAST (THE NEW EASTERN MEMBERS):

Penn State
Notre Dame
Rutgers
Maryland
Indiana/Purdue
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Virginia
North Carolina
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida St.


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- Traditional powers Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska, Wisc/Iowa/MSU would anchor the west. Traditional powers Notre Dame, Penn State, Florida State and Clemson would anchor the east

- Either Indiana or Purdue would need to play in the east with ND. (Purdue is the more traditional opponant)

- The two divisions can futher be split into pods. However, I would not rotate the pods evenly. It seems like the old-school B10 folks like playing each other every year. It also seems like eastern/southern folks do not really want to play the midwest schools much (as can be seen by the sentiment on this board). It would seem to benefit both groups if you let the eastern pods normally play each other and the western pods normally play each other. Once in awhile you could switch it up to let the other team filter through your stadium.

- I know everybody has FSU and Clemson pegged for the B12. However, Austin (the closest B12 school) is a really, really long drive from FSU (or Clemson for that matter). If you look at the states inbetween, they are SEC states. No additional B12 teams will be added in that area (the void isn't going away). It would benefit the FSU and Clemson athletic departments to keep away venues closer to home. I know that the B10 has the academic component that makes everyone think this can't work. FSU is no worse academically than Nebraska. Also, it is clearly improving. It will never overtake UF, but it is closer to UF than it is USF, UCF, FIU, FAU, etc. Getting the B10 into FL would be huge.

- I see no need for the B10 to add schools north of Penn State/Rutgers.

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Compliments, Nittany Lion fan, for thinking outside of the box a little. Taking all three of the ACC's southernmost football-first schools is a good idea.

Just a thought here...if you the pod route, and, do not alternate the opponents each season, then its a waste of time. Its basically two leagues within one, which defeats the purpose of these schools being in a league together.

A 20-team league is kind of cumbersome, and, even with your ideas, I don't know that it'd work well enough to satisfy everybody. But its an interesting idea nonetheless.

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The conference is set on only taking contiguous states. Chances of UVA being in the Big Ten with 3 years is at probably 75%

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--- pjdennis wrote:

The conference is set on only taking contiguous states. Chances of UVA being in the Big Ten with 3 years is at probably 75%

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And you heard this rumor, where?

Before Penn State joined the Big Ten, they had $150,000,000 research budget. After joining the Big Ten, according to HERD they are above UNC in research budget. Penn State has enjoyed an almost half billion dollar per year improvement from joining. No administrated is going to pass that up.

Sure buddy, don't go away mad, just go away.

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--- pjdennis wrote:

Before Penn State joined the Big Ten, they had $150,000,000 research budget. After joining the Big Ten, according to HERD they are above UNC in research budget. Penn State has enjoyed an almost half billion dollar per year improvement from joining. No administrated is going to pass that up.

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--- pjdennis wrote:

The conference is set on only taking contiguous states. Chances of UVA being in the Big Ten with 3 years is at probably 75%

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Sure boss, whatever you say boss, we jus' been waitin' fer you'uns in that thar' big-10ish11ish to come an' tells us'n what wez doin'!!!

Not mad, just pointing out why UVA will be in the Big Te with a couple years. Giving a reason why UNC admin would have a very difficult time turning down Big Ten invite.

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--- pjdennis wrote:

Not mad, just pointing out why UVA will be in the Big Te with a couple years. Giving a reason why UNC admin would have a very difficult time turning down Big Ten invite.

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And we will continue to know odds are set against that. No matter what you arrogant big-10 fans tell us.

From the Big Ten expansion model, UNC and Kansas are a toss-up. Equal basketball and football traditions. Equal sized tv markets.

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--- pjdennis wrote:

From the Big Ten expansion model, UNC and Kansas are a toss-up. Equal basketball and football traditions. Equal sized tv markets.

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Didn't take long for you to prove you are an idiot troll. LMAO

We LOVE how edumakated you big-10 people are. Yuppers, Big-10 math... 2.8 million = 10+ million. Only in the big-10, but your name tells us you can't count.

Heck, Va only has 8 million, but they mean more, we know. lmao

Aww, pj, no comeback?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

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--- pjdennis wrote:

I have no idea what you are talking about.

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Yes, we gathered that you have no idea from your earlier comments.

Hello, I am pj dennis and I am a troll. Thank you for having me. :)

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--- CarolinaSkins wrote:

Hello, I am pj dennis and I am a troll. Thank you for having me. :)

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The only question is this, is he a facker or a hillbilly? I am leaning towards hillbilly. They are REALLY butthurt.

No they wouldn't.

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--- pjdennis wrote:

Giving a reason why UNC admin would have a very difficult time turning down Big Ten invite.

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Actually Carolina has a better basketball and football tradition. Look it up. And we are a national brand. KU isn't. The state of NC has 10M people and the state of Kansas has 3M.

HUGE difference. Do research and come back.




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--- pjdennis wrote:

From the Big Ten expansion model, UNC and Kansas are a toss-up. Equal basketball and football traditions. Equal sized tv markets.

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--- ghostheel wrote:

Actually Carolina has a better basketball and football tradition. Look it up. And we are a national brand. KU isn't. The state of NC has 10M people and the state of Kansas has 3M.

HUGE difference. Do research and come back.




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--- pjdennis wrote:

From the Big Ten expansion model, UNC and Kansas are a toss-up. Equal basketball and football traditions. Equal sized tv markets.

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ghost speaks truth

Maybe I'm stupid (UNC '97), but I don't understand the whole CIC, B1G research collective anyway. Why can't other schools band together for research dollars? I hope we're not missing out on a cure for cancer because Purdue, Oregon State, Florida, and Wake Forest all play for separate conference golf championships.

My guess is those numbers are cooked to seem to be more than they are, or if this university-research-banded-together-by-athletics model really was successful, the ACC schools could do the same thing and be just as successful.

Elite Sources ‏@Elite12Football
Sources: GaTech will have press conference on Tuesday to announce move to B1G. The B1G is talking to 4 other schools for #16 school.

Elite Sources ‏@Elite12Football
The other 4 schools are North Carolina, Syracuse, Virginia, & Notre Dame.


I'm not sure about the credibility of this source, but we may know by Tuesday.

Interesting note: a lot of the twitter commentators have backed off UVA going to the Big Ten.

How about "Do research and DON'T come back."

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--- ghostheel wrote:


HUGE difference. Do research and come back.




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--- pjdennis wrote:

From the Big Ten expansion model, UNC and Kansas are a toss-up. Equal basketball and football traditions. Equal sized tv markets.

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--- Carolina2009 wrote:

Elite Sources ‏@Elite12Football
Sources: GaTech will have press conference on Tuesday to announce move to B1G. The B1G is talking to 4 other schools for #16 school.

Elite Sources ‏@Elite12Football
The other 4 schools are North Carolina, Syracuse, Virginia, & Notre Dame.


I'm not sure about the credibility of this source, but we may know by Tuesday.

Interesting note: a lot of the twitter commentators have backed off UVA going to the Big Ten.

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We aren't going, doubt UVa is going... that would leave Syracuse and Notre Dame... "if true"... and I am betting on "WVu" troll tweeting.

Well if those tweets carry any truth we will all know not to believe anymore public comments made by Bubba...
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--- Carolina2009 wrote:

Elite Sources ‏@Elite12Football
Sources: GaTech will have press conference on Tuesday to announce move to B1G. The B1G is talking to 4 other schools for #16 school.

Elite Sources ‏@Elite12Football
The other 4 schools are North Carolina, Syracuse, Virginia, & Notre Dame.


I'm not sure about the credibility of this source, but we may know by Tuesday.

Interesting note: a lot of the twitter commentators have backed off UVA going to the Big Ten.

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an explanation of the CIC research consortium and the Big 10 sports conference:

in my hometown - High Point - they have this industry (or used to have) called the veneer business .....

veneer is where a furniture maker builds a piece of furniture out of some inexpensive wood ..... but then they take an expensive, high quality wood - say - mahogany - and slice it into razor thin strips - this is 'mahogany veneer' ...... they then glue the mahogany veneer onto all the surfaces of the table or desk that will show (not the insides or back) ...... and what you end up with is a relatively inexpensive or affordable piece of furniture that gives the outward appearance of being made of much more expensive, higher quality wood .... of course, if you just open the drawers or look behind it or scratch it a tad, you will know it's really pine or particleboard or whatever ...... but at least to the casual observer it looks like mahogany ......


I hope this little furniture making explanation clarifies why the college presidents and people like John Swofford give lip service to things like academics as they go through this sports conference realignment business .......

and if you can be hoodwinked into thinking (and paying for) mahogany veneer furniture as if it were actual solid mahogany furniture than you will be no smarter than the Gomers on IC who keep bringing up the CIC in connection with this conference realignment business .....


footnote fyi ... the CIC organization has 15 employees and $2.5 million annual budget ..... $2.5 million equates to 0.04% of the funded research at the combined Big 10 universities .... not 4% --- four one-hundreds of one percent ......

and coincidentally, veneer is about four one-hundredths of an inch thick ..........

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--- BigSmooth41 wrote:

Maybe I'm stupid (UNC '97), but I don't understand the whole CIC, B1G research collective anyway. Why can't other schools band together for research dollars? I hope we're not missing out on a cure for cancer because Purdue, Oregon State, Florida, and Wake Forest all play for separate conference golf championships.

My guess is those numbers are cooked to seem to be more than they are, or if this university-research-banded-together-by-athletics model really was successful, the ACC schools could do the same thing and be just as successful.

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:

an explanation of the CIC research consortium and the Big 10 sports conference:

in my hometown - High Point - they have this industry (or used to have) called the veneer business .....

veneer is where a furniture maker builds a piece of furniture out of some inexpensive wood ..... but then they take an expensive, high quality wood - say - mahogany - and slice it into razor thin strips - this is 'mahogany veneer' ...... they then glue the mahogany veneer onto all the surfaces of the table or desk that will show (not the insides or back) ...... and what you end up with is a relatively inexpensive or affordable piece of furniture that gives the outward appearance of being made of much more expensive, higher quality wood .... of course, if you just open the drawers or look behind it or scratch it a tad, you will know it's really pine or particleboard or whatever ...... but at least to the casual observer it looks like mahogany ......


I hope this little furniture making explanation clarifies why the college presidents and people like John Swofford give lip service to things like academics as they go through this sports conference realignment business .......

and if you can be hoodwinked into thinking (and paying for) mahogany veneer furniture as if it were actual solid mahogany furniture than you will be no smarter than the Gomers on IC who keep bringing up the CIC in connection with this conference realignment business .....


footnote fyi ... the CIC organization has 15 employees and $2.5 million annual budget ..... $2.5 million equates to 0.04% of the funded research at the combined Big 10 universities .... not 4% --- four one-hundreds of one percent ......

and coincidentally, veneer is about four one-hundredths of an inch thick ..........

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--- BigSmooth41 wrote:

Maybe I'm stupid (UNC '97), but I don't understand the whole CIC, B1G research collective anyway. Why can't other schools band together for research dollars? I hope we're not missing out on a cure for cancer because Purdue, Oregon State, Florida, and Wake Forest all play for separate conference golf championships.

My guess is those numbers are cooked to seem to be more than they are, or if this university-research-banded-together-by-athletics model really was successful, the ACC schools could do the same thing and be just as successful.

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Bethel, also coming from a region where most people were "men of the cloth" in the textilian sense, made furniture, or farmed, I certainly understand your excellent veneer analogy. Unfortunately, many people today, even those who are allegedly "college educated" seem incapable of thinking beneath a "veneereal" level. Indeed, they are inflicted with this veneereal disease of superficiality. Hopefully the PTB will do what is in the best interest of The University. The University, yes, I said it, the one in Chapel Hill, not Ms. Hemmings' school in Hooville. Hopefully they'll go with us, but if they don't, screen door.

Hey all, first let me say if "PJ whoever" is from the B1G let me say we're not all like that. And the comment he made about Kansas and NC being about the same made me laugh also.

Just want you to know that I think you guys would make a great addition to the B1G and whatever your thoughts are toward the Big Ten, I think some of you have misconceptions. We are a strong conference in most sports, and I think would be good for you guys in BB as well.

We'll see what happens in the next few days.

people want to believe that commercialized college sports still have something to do in a meaningful way with 'college' ...... and college presidents want to use the emotional connection of the alumni and others in order to get into their wallets and they want to preserve the tax-exempt status of their athletics franchise ......

so we end up with the colleges and conferences and good ole' Lee Corso and Lou Holtz promoting the rah-rah-sis-boom-bah angle of college sports in order to veneer over the ringer nature of the players .... the multi-million $$$$ incomes ..... the total sell-out to commerial TV networks ..... and the general avaricious culture which has overtaken college sports ........

"most college athletes will go professional in something other than the sport they're playing today" .... except for all the players you're actually watching on TV in this game tonight - these guys are all turning pro as the soon the last second ticks off the clock here and if they did open a textbook this semester, you can be assured that's the last time that will ever happen .....


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--- therabidrev wrote:

Bethel, also coming from a region where most people were "men of the cloth" in the textilian sense, made furniture, or farmed, I certainly understand your excellent veneer analogy. Unfortunately, many people today, even those who are allegedly "college educated" seem incapable of thinking beneath a "veneereal" level. Indeed, they are inflicted with this veneereal disease of superficiality. Hopefully the PTB will do what is in the best interest of The University. The University, yes, I said it, the one in Chapel Hill, not Ms. Hemmings' school in Hooville. Hopefully they'll go with us, but if they don't, screen door.

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I've got an idea.....
The biggest, smartest, best performing athletic schools from the b1g come to the ACC.

We will go to 16 or 20, or he77 32 if we have to.

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--- KANNON wrote:

I've got an idea.....
The biggest, smartest, best performing athletic schools from the b1g come to the ACC.

We will go to 16 or 20, or he77 32 if we have to.

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The Big Forty-Eleven?

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--- KANNON wrote:

I've got an idea.....
The biggest, smartest, best performing athletic schools from the b1g come to the ACC.

We will go to 16 or 20, or he77 32 if we have to.

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The Big Forty-Eleven?

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I always heard it as "fordy-levin," but that doesn't fit the northern mid-west, does it?

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--- KANNON wrote:

I've got an idea.....
The biggest, smartest, best performing athletic schools from the b1g come to the ACC.

We will go to 16 or 20, or he77 32 if we have to.

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I don't think any of us want to be in a conference with Southern schools.

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:

an explanation of the CIC research consortium and the Big 10 sports conference:

in my hometown - High Point - they have this industry (or used to have) called the veneer business .....

veneer is where a furniture maker builds a piece of furniture out of some inexpensive wood ..... but then they take an expensive, high quality wood - say - mahogany - and slice it into razor thin strips - this is 'mahogany veneer' ...... they then glue the mahogany veneer onto all the surfaces of the table or desk that will show (not the insides or back) ...... and what you end up with is a relatively inexpensive or affordable piece of furniture that gives the outward appearance of being made of much more expensive, higher quality wood .... of course, if you just open the drawers or look behind it or scratch it a tad, you will know it's really pine or particleboard or whatever ...... but at least to the casual observer it looks like mahogany ......


I hope this little furniture making explanation clarifies why the college presidents and people like John Swofford give lip service to things like academics as they go through this sports conference realignment business .......

and if you can be hoodwinked into thinking (and paying for) mahogany veneer furniture as if it were actual solid mahogany furniture than you will be no smarter than the Gomers on IC who keep bringing up the CIC in connection with this conference realignment business .....


footnote fyi ... the CIC organization has 15 employees and $2.5 million annual budget ..... $2.5 million equates to 0.04% of the funded research at the combined Big 10 universities .... not 4% --- four one-hundreds of one percent ......

and coincidentally, veneer is about four one-hundredths of an inch thick ..........

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This is an excellent post.

High profile HC's can be successful in recruiting in the short term based on their name alone (UNC is proof). Eventually, you have to show results on the field and 7-8 win seasons don't cut it when you have the talent to win 9+ and recruits expect to see 9+ wins to continue to view you in a positive light. Davis underachieved (in large part to Shoop) so the honeymoon period was beginning to wear-off.

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--- HeelGrad85 wrote:

Find it odd that as great a recruiter Butch was billed as the slide of losing in-state talent slid even further.

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--- therabidrev wrote:

If you're sitting on the fence today over the SEC-B1G decision, watch the UGA/Bama game. Notice two Dawg players. Marshall went to my high school, Millbrook, in Raleigh, a 30 minute drive from our campus in Chapel Hill. Gurley played at Tarboro, which produced the legendary Kelvin Bryant, along with Shaun Draughn, Issac Mooring and countless other Tar Heel footballers. Both programs have gone deep in the state playoffs the last few years, Tarboro's won multiple titles, and both send lots of talent to the next level. And guess where they're sending that talent now? The SEC...

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I wish no ill will upon those two young men. I hope they have happy, healthy pro careers and productive lives, and come back to NC and give back to their communities. But I'd much rather see them in Carolina blue than in that nasty red and black, pretending that they're playing for our nation's first state university (Georgia was chartered in 1785, opened in 1801). If they were in heavenly blue they wouldn't have to pretend: to be rather than to seem. Roll Tide!

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--- KANNON wrote:

I've got an idea.....
The biggest, smartest, best performing athletic schools from the b1g come to the ACC.

We will go to 16 or 20, or he77 32 if we have to.

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I don't think any of us want to be in a conference with Northern schools.

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--- BuckyNut wrote:

Hey all, first let me say if "PJ whoever" is from the B1G let me say we're not all like that. And the comment he made about Kansas and NC being about the same made me laugh also.

Just want you to know that I think you guys would make a great addition to the B1G and whatever your thoughts are toward the Big Ten, I think some of you have misconceptions. We are a strong conference in most sports, and I think would be good for you guys in BB as well.

We'll see what happens in the next few days.

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I happily trolled him back, but I honestly think he was a west virginia troll. Trying to troll us, he was just so stupid that he was making the Big-10 look bad by default.