Please stop quoting Greg Swaim.

yea Swaim was the blowhard from last year who had FSU & Clemson cemented into the Big12 so definitely take fwiw

Yes, he also had Texas/Oklahoma into the PAC 12 as a "done deal".

Would Cinnci by an upgrade over GT?

I agree regarding that "eer sports" site and that Swaim. Those guys definitely are unbiased toward the ACC (rolling eyes).

Athletic departments shouldnt have "profits." All should be well as long there isn't a huge debt. if there are simply deficits, that should be improved by the extra money the ACC should get from the increased revenue from the espn deal. GT is not even close to being in the same boat as Maryland, but explaining half of that exit fee is going to be tough.

By the way, if the B1G wants GT, they could have got them 3 years ago.

I don't understand the need for the fates of UNC and UVA to be tied together. To hell with UVA.

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--- The Bomber wrote:

I don't understand the need for the fates of UNC and UVA to be tied together. To hell with UVA.

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Bottom line is this is chess. From the ACC, unc and uva are the two that the big10 is trying to shakeloose, and would prob take duke too. Delaney said he'd go past 16 for the right schools.

And that makes unc/uva even more valuable to the sec since the big10 wouldn't take ncest or vtech. Keeps big10 out of the south. Likewise, the sec might take duke if it meant getting unc and uva.

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--- The Bomber wrote:

I don't understand the need for the fates of UNC and UVA to be tied together. To hell with UVA.

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Because we are even more valuable as a package. Not that we have to do anything.

As long as there is an ACC, UNC will be part of it. We ain't going nowhere and I'm glad.

I wish UNC would go to the SEC with the stipulation that the SEC would not take anyone else from NC or VA.

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--- paintitcarolinablue wrote:

As long as there is an ACC, UNC will be part of it. We ain't going nowhere and I'm glad.

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I wonder what other facts you are wrong about.

This place has been worse than a 1970s soap opera since Maryland bailed. Evidently, some people have never been faced with, and conquered, adversity.

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--- RetiredCoach01 wrote:

This place has been worse than a 1970s soap opera since Maryland bailed. Evidently, some people have never been faced with, and conquered, adversity.

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What aversity?

I am hoping UNC jumps to the SEC as soon as possible because that is the best place for UNC's sports teams.

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--- RetiredCoach01 wrote:

This place has been worse than a 1970s soap opera since Maryland bailed. Evidently, some people have never been faced with, and conquered, adversity.

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What aversity?

I am hoping UNC jumps to the SEC as soon as possible because that is the best place for UNC's sports teams.

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the adversity of conference realignment. people here have been acting worse than my wife around a mouse.

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--- RetiredCoach01 wrote:

This place has been worse than a 1970s soap opera since Maryland bailed. Evidently, some people have never been faced with, and conquered, adversity.

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What aversity?

I am hoping UNC jumps to the SEC as soon as possible because that is the best place for UNC's sports teams.

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the adversity of conference realignment. people here have been acting worse than my wife around a mouse.

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Not scared at all, adversity is an opportunity.

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--- kevinwilson wrote:

I wish UNC would go to the SEC with the stipulation that the SEC would not take anyone else from NC or VA.

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The SEC is not going to bypass the state of Virginia.

I think Kev means take us and UVA and then tell VT and iNCeST that they are ineligible to enter, same as FLA, UGA and uSuCk have done to their in state rivals.

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--- kevinwilson wrote:

I wish UNC would go to the SEC with the stipulation that the SEC would not take anyone else from NC or VA.

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The SEC is not going to bypass the state of Virginia.

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Eersauthority is about as credible as bleacher report. I love how the writer criticizes the structure of the ACC contract when in fact all the major conferences have contracts that have payouts that grow over time. They are called escalator clauses and they are common-- give me a break. Can we please stop posting links to drivel?

1) The SEC wants the state of NC badly, and they WILL have a team in the state of NC.
2) The team that the SEC takes WILL eventually own the state of NC, lock, stock, and barrel.
3) The SEC WANTS UNC to be that team, we have the brand and the appeal, we can be a "hit" overnight.
4) If we keep telling the SEC no, they WILL take NC State.
5) NC State will NOT tell the SEC no, they won't even think about it before they say yes.


So it boils down to this, either we go to the SEC, or we get prepared to be 2nd to state in just about every damn thing for forever. It IS that simple.

Spot on. I've grown tired of this expansion whoring, it was fun for about a week. It's now becoming a sad case of overkill. I see the B1G selling out tradition, the ACC as well, actually the ACC & Big 12 the most. The Big 12 lost Neb, Mizzo, Col, and aTm, thus one of college football's greatest rivalries: OU-Neb, & two 100 year rivalries: Tx and aTm & KU-Mizzo. What a shame.

I'm a B1G guy, but I spent quality time in NC. Lejeune & Jacksonville were once home & good ole Campbell U in Buies Creek (only off - duty education choice) got me going with my education. I treasure my time in NC.

I honestly think you should do your best to keep the ACC together. If it falls, wow, hard choice. Most fans want the SEC, I can't blame them. But Chapel Hill, the Triangle in general, has become a northeastern re-settlement, something I noticed it even during my time in NC (91-95). In my return trips, I was shocked at what locals called the "Confederate Yankee influence." UNC has become powerful in sports that I stereotype as northeastern in this country: soccer, field hockey, lacrosse. What the hell happened down there? Hoops, of course, will always be incredible in NC - a lot like Kentuckiana.

I suspect UNC alum & administrators will yield incredible power if it comes to leaving the ACC & what I dislike about UNC's modern leanings is the perceived identity crisis: Are you upper east public ivy or true to your southern roots? Sure you can have both - but you don't have to sell your soul & fundamental identity. Too many B1G types strive for public ivy image, it gets old. We're a Midwestern context of northeast heritage, but not the same ultimately - we're not loud and pretentious in most cases & we bust are asses up here, work hard & deal with fickle weather. So I'm not getting Jimbo Tarheel Delany's expansion monopoly.

If UNC is the flagship, it needs to side with the mainstream - NC is southern state in its own way, foremost. Vandy is a fine example of a great school, albeit private, that sticks with its heritage, no matter what cosmopolitan tendencies surround it. Perhaps I'm being naive here & don't know how things have changed in NC since my tenure there - 94 seems long ago. My return trips have exclusively been to to the coast: New Bern and Havelock where my old jar head buddies still reside.

Break from the Dukes, UVa's and Wake Forests of the world and go SEC. Those three will be fine & your home and home will continue with the snobs. The SEC needs 3 powerhouse hoops programs: you, Ky & Florida. Don't know if Ark can return to consistent glory. But if you leave, I have no idea what happens to NC State, my favorite ACC school, thanks to Webb and Valvano. As I said, stand your ground and try to keep the ACC together - though it has become an odd conference since the 8 teams I fondly remember.

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Having utilized the CIC, you, sport's journalists, and nearly every B1G poster I've come across on various boards have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the CIC, not at all, and frankly I'm not going to explain it in great detail. The CIC website truly understates what happens in this consortium. One simple way to put it is that it is a network, a rather fine one if your research is mapped out beforehand. Once you open its doors a plethora of research opportunities manifest. The CIC becomes an after thought as you cultivate relationships and shared research, well funded research in my case, with colleagues from various universities. But, I do go outside of the CIC because much of what I do has more momentum in certain UC schools & John Hopkins, which I discovered via the CIC & partner universities. But I have friends who have exclusively used the CIC, esp in global partnerships, due to outstanding networks established by various B1G schools, esp Michigan State. There's no "how to guide" on the particulars of the CIC - just broader categories - in part because scholars are constantly competing for funds. You got to work various angles, but they exist. Academia is filled with competition, secrecy & politics, even through like-minded collaboration - but despite the cutthroat mentality, the money is there and ultimately the bulk of us share key goals & research results for human betterment. I've had plenty of non-CIC colleagues itching for access. I'm altruistic : ).

BIG schools have always been more focused on research, that is graduate schools and real world results. They get tons of federal-state dollars, and the endowments are incredible. Incoming Md and Rutgers will be 13th and 14th on the endowment list. No doubt UNC, UVa fall in this category as well, in fact they really are the only ones that do in the 2013 and beyond ACC. Pitt, NC St, VaTech, FSU are not flagships -thus their funding is not as varied nor as rich, therefore they don't measure up to UNC or UVa's graduate schools n research output. Ga Tech is the exception because of it's emphasis on engineering, & their admission standards are damn selective. But UGA Athens is the flagship in that state. Va Tech has not reached Ga Tech's level yet, but they are on the same boat, just not on the Captain's deck.

But this GD expansion is so much more about football than academics, at least that's my limited perspective. These boards are just hilarious & ultra speculative. This particular thread is loaded with a lot of ******** cultural myths that rarely manifest in person - but so goes the world of Cyberia.

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:

1. the CIC organization is a teeny tiny trivial aspect of the overall research / academic output of the combined universities that make up the Big 10 sports conference ...... it's actual relevance cannot be understated ......

CIC has 15 employees .... that's about one person for each Big 10 university ..... use a little common sense ......

posters on here who have highlighted this CIC as some positive benefit of membership in the Big 10 are a dead giveaway that they don't know what they're talking about ......


2. the relationship between the academics of various universities and their member in one sports conference or another is tenuous at best .....

the ACC has several of the very best universities in American -- Dook ... UNC ... UVa ... Ga Tech ... Weak Forest .....

and it has several just mediocre or just average large public universities --- NC Statesux .. Clempson ... Fla St ..... Va Tech .....

do I think it would effect the academic end of UNC very much if it were in the ACC ... SEC ... or Big 10 ? ......... I would be hard pressed to find any convincing evidence that it would really make much difference one way or another .......


3. all this genuflecting to 'academics' in the context of this conference realignment business is pure p.r. pablum for naive nostalgic alumni who want to hold onto to their belief that big-time college sports still have some genuine connection to 'college' .....

it's all about $$$$$$$$ for the athletic department .... if academics were a meaningful consideration - you don't end up with Univ. of Louisville as your answer ......


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--- buckEYEdr2B wrote:

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So are you under the impression that the following statement is false: "all branches of academia would benefit greatly from being in the Big Ten and the CIC."

I don't think I ever mentioned anything about money. Universities independently submit requests for grants. If you combine all Big Ten schools research dollars, it is in the billions of dollars... And this is independent of the CIC. If you state that not being a part of the CIC is better than being a part of it... Then I really can not debate with ignorance.

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Andi a league wants to take two more to make an even number, I'd sure rather be handcuffed to UVa than moou.

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--- The Bomber wrote:

I don't understand the need for the fates of UNC and UVA to be tied together. To hell with UVA.

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Because we are even more valuable as a package. Not that we have to do anything.

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Can't see the SEC taking Duke under any circumstances. I see it more likely Duke and Wake would be FBS before Duke would end up in the SEC.

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--- Heel2K wrote:

Bottom line is this is chess. From the ACC, unc and uva are the two that the big10 is trying to shakeloose, and would prob take duke too. Delaney said he'd go past 16 for the right schools.

And that makes unc/uva even more valuable to the sec since the big10 wouldn't take ncest or vtech. Keeps big10 out of the south. Likewise, the sec might take duke if it meant getting unc and uva.

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No league other than the ACC wants US and State.

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--- HeelGrad85 wrote:

Andi a league wants to take two more to make an even number, I'd sure rather be handcuffed to UVa than moou.

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--- The Bomber wrote:

I don't understand the need for the fates of UNC and UVA to be tied together. To hell with UVA.

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Because we are even more valuable as a package. Not that we have to do anything.

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State is a second rate commodity and has absolutely NO momentum on a national scale. They live off Jimmy V week, a truly worthwhile cause, because it puts them in the limelight for 15 minutes on ESPN each night. Other than that, Moo U doesn't move the needle for anyone outside NC. The Heels, by contrast are a national brand. Our merchandise is in the top three every year. The Jordan branding certainly helps that. We just need to choose a partner, UVA, VT, whomever and drag them to the SEC with us because if we come a knocking they will let us in. But, ultimately, the SEC is determined to lock down the only two southern states they don't have a presence in and if we don't agree they will, reluctantly, take Moo U (forever handing football recruiting to the peckers in this state).

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--- GforHeels wrote:

No league other than the ACC wants US and State.

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--- HeelGrad85 wrote:

Andi a league wants to take two more to make an even number, I'd sure rather be handcuffed to UVa than moou.

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--- The Bomber wrote:

I don't understand the need for the fates of UNC and UVA to be tied together. To hell with UVA.

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Because we are even more valuable as a package. Not that we have to do anything.

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--- rock06 wrote:

wow.

I bet UVa would be #16.

This would also virtually cement UNC & VaTech to the SEC.

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"Should I stay or should I go?" -The Clash

"Rock the Casbah!" -The Clash

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--- RetiredCoach01 wrote:

This place has been worse than a 1970s soap opera since Maryland bailed. Evidently, some people have never been faced with, and conquered, adversity.

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--- HeelGrad85 wrote:

Andi a league wants to take two more to make an even number, I'd sure rather be handcuffed to UVa than moou.

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--- The Bomber wrote:

I don't understand the need for the fates of UNC and UVA to be tied together. To hell with UVA.

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Because we are even more valuable as a package. Not that we have to do anything.

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--- CriticalJ wrote:

Would Cinnci by an upgrade over GT?

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No, not in anyway.

If Tech leaves, we'd lose the school in the ACC with the most storied football history. Four national titles, John Heisman, Bobby Dodd, etc. Not to mention, an academically elite public university, and, a fellow Public Ivy.

They've been in the ACC for almost 40 years now. They may not be an original member, but, they are as much family as any of the other original members are, IMHO. You don't lose family, and, not feel the effects.

Atlanta is home to a large number of ACC alumni. Make no mistake, them leaving would be a huge blow.

JMHO, but, as long as the NC-VA schools are committed to the ACC, I think they (and Miami) will be, too.

Much respect to Cincinnati, but, they'd in no way, shape, form, or fashion be an upgrade over Tech. No way in Hades.

All is well. No need to worry. That sweetheart deal that Swofford put together will bring in a tidal wave of cash that will sweep your cares away.

I can't blame you for believing in magic, though. After all, the old Big East magically transformed into the current ACC.

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

I agree regarding that "eer sports" site and that Swaim. Those guys definitely are unbiased toward the ACC (rolling eyes).

Athletic departments shouldnt have "profits." All should be well as long there isn't a huge debt. if there are simply deficits, that should be improved by the extra money the ACC should get from the increased revenue from the espn deal. GT is not even close to being in the same boat as Maryland, but explaining half of that exit fee is going to be tough.

By the way, if the B1G wants GT, they could have got them 3 years ago.

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--- CriticalJ wrote:

Would Cinnci by an upgrade over GT?

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No, not in anyway.

If Tech leaves, we'd lose the school in the ACC with the most storied football history. Four national titles, John Heisman, Bobby Dodd, etc. Not to mention, an academically elite public university, and, a fellow Public Ivy.

They've been in the ACC for almost 40 years now. They may not be an original member, but, they are as much family as any of the other original members are, IMHO. You don't lose family, and, not feel the effects.

Atlanta is home to a large number of ACC alumni. Make no mistake, them leaving would be a huge blow.

JMHO, but, as long as the NC-VA schools are committed to the ACC, I think they (and Miami) will be, too.

Much respect to Cincinnati, but, they'd in no way, shape, form, or fashion be an upgrade over Tech. No way in Hades.

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Yes, Stormer, I ALMOST think of GT as a real ACC school. Almost. Except they don't think of themselves that way, and they never have. My years in Georgia cemented that in my mind. Like Pitt, they have a great history, but it's just that, HISTORY. Sure, it's an elite school that I greatly respect, in a huge market where they're greatly disrespected and owned by their arch-rival, who BTW, has climbed the rankings toward respectability from Nowheresville. Admittedly, Cincy doesn't compare to them in any way, except maybe ancient basketball history or one or two freak BCS appearances from the Big Least. I don't think GT has any loyalty to us at all, no more than Maryland, and they divorced us after a 60 year marriage.

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--- sunflowerpetsounds wrote:

Spot on. I've grown tired of this expansion whoring, it was fun for about a week. It's now becoming a sad case of overkill. I see the B1G selling out tradition, the ACC as well, actually the ACC & Big 12 the most. The Big 12 lost Neb, Mizzo, Col, and aTm, thus one of college football's greatest rivalries: OU-Neb, & two 100 year rivalries: Tx and aTm & KU-Mizzo. What a shame.

I'm a B1G guy, but I spent quality time in NC. Lejeune & Jacksonville were once home & good ole Campbell U in Buies Creek (only off - duty education choice) got me going with my education. I treasure my time in NC.

I honestly think you should do your best to keep the ACC together. If it falls, wow, hard choice. Most fans want the SEC, I can't blame them. But Chapel Hill, the Triangle in general, has become a northeastern re-settlement, something I noticed it even during my time in NC (91-95). In my return trips, I was shocked at what locals called the "Confederate Yankee influence." UNC has become powerful in sports that I stereotype as northeastern in this country: soccer, field hockey, lacrosse. What the hell happened down there? Hoops, of course, will always be incredible in NC - a lot like Kentuckiana.

I suspect UNC alum & administrators will yield incredible power if it comes to leaving the ACC & what I dislike about UNC's modern leanings is the perceived identity crisis: Are you upper east public ivy or true to your southern roots? Sure you can have both - but you don't have to sell your soul & fundamental identity. Too many B1G types strive for public ivy image, it gets old. We're a Midwestern context of northeast heritage, but not the same ultimately - we're not loud and pretentious in most cases & we bust are asses up here, work hard & deal with fickle weather. So I'm not getting Jimbo Tarheel Delany's expansion monopoly.

If UNC is the flagship, it needs to side with the mainstream - NC is southern state in its own way, foremost. Vandy is a fine example of a great school, albeit private, that sticks with its heritage, no matter what cosmopolitan tendencies surround it. Perhaps I'm being naive here & don't know how things have changed in NC since my tenure there - 94 seems long ago. My return trips have exclusively been to to the coast: New Bern and Havelock where my old jar head buddies still reside.

Break from the Dukes, UVa's and Wake Forests of the world and go SEC. Those three will be fine & your home and home will continue with the snobs. The SEC needs 3 powerhouse hoops programs: you, Ky & Florida. Don't know if Ark can return to consistent glory. But if you leave, I have no idea what happens to NC State, my favorite ACC school, thanks to Webb and Valvano. As I said, stand your ground and try to keep the ACC together - though it has become an odd conference since the 8 teams I fondly remember.

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BTW, sunflower, excellent poast, you make some great points, and I have tons of family and friends in New Bern, Havelock, J-ville, in fact I'm headed to the Neuse riverfront today. Wanna buy a house on the river in NB?

The GT to B1G rumors are picking up steam on Twitter. A contributor to Clemson's 247 Sports site:

@Tim_Matty247: Sources are indicating that the #B1G has approved #GT as its 15th member.

@Tim_Matty247: Clarification - Not saying #GT report is done deal. Reported out of Midwest. Worth monitoring as we know the landscape is fluid & changing.

GT rumors going to the B1G are hot and growing......Clemson moving out of ACC soon after the ACC Championship game will be the next hot rumor.

If so, UNC better get to the SEC shortly after. send State to the B1G. have fun with those fans, yankees and midwesterners!

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--- Gopher1968 wrote:

GT rumors going to the B1G are hot and growing......Clemson moving out of ACC soon after the ACC Championship game will be the next hot rumor.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

1) The SEC wants the state of NC badly, and they WILL have a team in the state of NC.
2) The team that the SEC takes WILL eventually own the state of NC, lock, stock, and barrel.
3) The SEC WANTS UNC to be that team, we have the brand and the appeal, we can be a "hit" overnight.
4) If we keep telling the SEC no, they WILL take NC State.
5) NC State will NOT tell the SEC no, they won't even think about it before they say yes.


So it boils down to this, either we go to the SEC, or we get prepared to be 2nd to state in just about every damn thing for forever. It IS that simple.

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--- IslanderHeel wrote:


If so, UNC better get to the SEC shortly after. send State to the B1G. have fun with those fans, yankees and midwesterners!

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--- Gopher1968 wrote:

GT rumors going to the B1G are hot and growing......Clemson moving out of ACC soon after the ACC Championship game will be the next hot rumor.

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I doubt the B1G wants State. They don't have the academic clout.

Then be prepared for disappointment. Unless something changes, our final decision makers prefer the B1G over the SEC because it's more academically prestigious. Our holier than thou mentality will once again bit us in the a$$. Only this time, it could be fatal. Why? While the B1G conference is respectable and better than a watered-down ACC...the SEC is on another level AND if NCSU did in fact go to SEC, there is a chance they could eventually own NC as you suggest.

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--- ShadowSpawne wrote:

1) The SEC wants the state of NC badly, and they WILL have a team in the state of NC.
2) The team that the SEC takes WILL eventually own the state of NC, lock, stock, and barrel.
3) The SEC WANTS UNC to be that team, we have the brand and the appeal, we can be a "hit" overnight.
4) If we keep telling the SEC no, they WILL take NC State.
5) NC State will NOT tell the SEC no, they won't even think about it before they say yes.


So it boils down to this, either we go to the SEC, or we get prepared to be 2nd to state in just about every damn thing for forever. It IS that simple.

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