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Youth Rifle / Ballistic Recomendations

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:43 PM

Youth Rifle / Ballistic Recomendations 


I am prepping my son for next years NE Deer hunt.  He has shooting skills, and has practiced plenty with his 22.  It is now time to get him a youth rifle.  He is small for a 10 year old, and think he needs a youth model for trigger reach and weight considerations. 

I am considering both a 243 and a 25-06. 

Thoughts on chambering?  Brand of rifle?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 4:53 PM

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I would go with a savage model 10 or 11 in 22-250 or 243. The 25-06 has a lot of recoil and we all know what that can do to a new hunter. The 22-250 with a 60gr bullet will take any deer out to 225 yards with no problems. The 60gr bullet has over 1000ft/lbs. of energy at 200 yards. As for the rifle try to get one with a 1:10  rifling. With this rifling you can shoot up to 75gr bullets. I hunt deer with a 22-250 in SW Nebraska. The longest shot I shot a deer at was about 275 yards, all the deer I have shot with a 22-250 none went more that 50 yards before going down. These wore all chest shots. As for weight a heaver rifle is better than a lite one. With a heaver there is lest recoil, and the weight of the rifle helps to steady the rifle for the shot. Hope this helps you. Have fun hunting with your son.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 5:49 PM

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In my last post I forgot length of pull. The best way to measure length of pull is to go to a gun dealer and have them measure him. Remember to buy a good quality rifle, as he gets older you can replace the stock to get a longer length of pull for lest than you can buy a new rifle.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:01 PM

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Bart, I'm off topic, but are you still accessing this site threw the backdoor, or have your issues been resolved?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:26 PM

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Threw the back door. Thanks for PM
Lunkerdog wrote: Bart, I'm off topic, but are you still accessing this site threw the backdoor, or have your issues been resolved?
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:31 AM

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For the sake of recoil reduction, I wouldn't put him on a 25.06 yet.  From the choices you gave, I'd opt for the .243, a lot of game has been taken with that round.  Be sure to check your state regulations, some states require at least .25 caliber or larger for deer sized game.
My 10 year old grandson used my Marlin 336 30-30 last season to take his first deer.
I started my son with a Ruger 77 in 257 Roberts.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 11:43 AM

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Nebraska's law 22 cal. or larger with 900ftlbs of energy at 100 yards. I live in Nebraska. The 243 is a good deer round, but the 22-250 is a flatter shooting with less recoil. You might think about 250 savage.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:32 PM

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I started Travis out with a Mossberg ATR100 youth model .243, and limited him to 100 yards or less. He now shoots a Savage 110 in .7mm-08 that he inherited from my dad. The Mossberg came with an adjustable stock insert and shims, as well as a certificate for a discount on a full sized stock when appropriate. His first shotgun was also a Mossberg youth model 500 in .20 gauge that had the same features and the same certificate ( I won it at an NWTF banquet and it has the NWTF medallion in the stock). He has since moved up to shooting my 3" Beretta .12 gauge semi-auto for deer hunting with the dogs.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:48 AM

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I'd go with the .243.  Unless this is a surprise, take him with you and let him handle the various candidates.  He's going to be using it, he has to be comfortable with it.
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Posted: 4/29/2014 2:06 PM

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Took my 10 yr old hog hunting for the first time last year, he used a savage .243. He took the biggest boar of the group. It was the youth model and he handled it just fine.
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Posted: 5/7/2014 2:53 PM

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I agree with the Mossberg 100 ATR Super Bantam Rifle in .243. With the adjustable stock, it'll fit any youth hunter for many years. I think the gun/scope package sells for about $400, which is a good value in my opinion.
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Posted: 5/8/2014 9:38 AM

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Another cal. to look at that I didn't notice being mentioned and has very light recoil is the 260 rem. It runs right along with the 257 Roberts 2506 243 velocity wise but comes in a smaller case and less recoil.
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Posted: 5/8/2014 10:43 AM

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Dave, when I bought the ATR100 for Travis, it was $200.00, but that was about 12 years ago. I've even considered selling it, but since it was the first center fire rifle I ever got for him I figured he may want to pass it down to his own son or daughter some time in the far, far future!
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Posted: 5/8/2014 6:44 PM

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rthomas4 wrote: Dave, when I bought the ATR100 for Travis, it was $200.00, but that was about 12 years ago. I've even considered selling it, but since it was the first center fire rifle I ever got for him I figured he may want to pass it down to his own son or daughter some time in the far, far future!
12 years ago??? Holy smokes!!! I don't know Trav's exact age, but am thinking that he must have been about 4 or 5 when you bought it for him?
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Posted: 5/9/2014 10:00 AM

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Yep, he was 17 this past January, and I bought him his first .22 when he was 3, won his first shotgun when he was 4 and bought the Mossberg rifle at 5. He killed his first deer at 8 with the Mossberg ATR, and the same year killed his second deer with the Mossberg youth model 500 in front of the dogs.

That may be why he's the captain of the NJROTC competition rifle team.
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Posted: 6/15/2014 10:17 AM

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My 4 children whom are now all grown all started with a .22 Chipmunk rifle but when the time came for a center fire rifle I bought a Savage in 7MM-08 which has very little recoil and will still reach out and kill a whitetail with of course correct bullet placement. After you get a youth size rifle I would suggest a Sim's Limbsaver recoil pad. You can get a youth sized rifle with a coupon for an adult sized stock later on. Checkout www.savagearms.com and remember that the Stevens line is essentially a no frills basic Savage rifle. Whether it is a Savage or Stevens you will get a fine rifle for the price as well as top notch customer service.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:34 PM

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This is what I did 2 years ago for my daughter who was 10 and weighed about 50-55 lbs. I bought a Savage model 10 I think, in 6.5 Creedmoor. Bigger bullet than 243, minimal amount more recoil than 243, less recoil than 25-06. This is where a lot of people will disagree with me. I'm not a fan of kids using a 243 in my personal experience. I had to cut the stock down to 12 1/2 inch pull, then I put a mercury recoil reducer in the butt of the stock. Since we are shooting Hornady factory ammo with the 129 grain SST bullets. I then went to Hodgdon's website, looked up SAFE(!)
REDUCED LOADS for the Creedmoor and started loading dad's special loads that look just like the factory loads as far as my daughter was concerned. Started out around 1800 fps, just like shooting a big 22. Worked up to 2000 fps, still low recoil so she could work on trigger control, sight picture without worrying about recoil. In her rifle, the reduced loads shot almost to the same point of impact at 100 yards as the full bore superformace factory loads. They drop like a rock a 200 yards though. As I have always said, when you are concentrating on shooting a deer you never feel the recoil. And she hasn't to this day. I took this time consuming method to get my daughter back to shooting. She loved to shoot the 22 with me, but in one stupid act on my part when she was 8, I let her shoot 1 low powered 20 gauge round and almost lost her totally because of its recoil. She wouldn't even shoot the 22 for almost a year after the shotgun incident. But through time, careful words, reduced loads loads, I now have my 12 year old shooting/hunting buddy back. As of now, she still only weighs about 70 pounds.

PS, I like the Creedmoor so much that I'm using it myself and leaving the 06 in the safe.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 3:26 AM

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Have you considered the 7mm-08? This seems to have been designed for the smaller frame person. I have the T/C Venture Weather shield and it's not to expensive. Got it for my daughter to use and she is a petite young lady. We Have not hunted with it , but from what I hear from the folk who have love it. Recoil is on the lighter side.

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Posted: 6/26/2014 12:46 PM

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You could not go wrong with a youth model chambered in 7mm-08.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 6:18 AM

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Colorado Bull where are you ? Have you bought a rifle yet ? If so what brand and caliber ?
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Posted: 6/27/2014 4:57 PM

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Dawg, evidently he's not interested. One post total, and that was the original question in this thread!
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Posted: 6/29/2014 7:09 AM

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.243,.7mm-08,30-30 ,all of which my nephew at age 8 shot.at the time he liked the 7mm-08 best.now at 14 ,he opts for the 30-30.it doesn't shoot as far,but more punch at our average distance of 50 to 100 yds.all shots have been in that range.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 6:23 PM

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I bought my daughter a browning .25 wssm. Light, short, same ballistics as a 25-06 with only a fraction of recoil. She has been extremely successful shooting deer with it.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:27 PM

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It is outstanding that you are taking your son hunting.  My son is now 27 and we have enjoyed many a day hunting together.   As for a rifle, first of all, check the law where you intend to hunt.  Here in VA there is a minimum .243 caliber law.  That may help guide your decision.  Take your son to the gun shop and have him handle the rifles.  He will be the one using it, he should be comfortable with it.  What ever you get for him, he'll be thrilled because YOU gave it to him.  What are the new hunter laws where you will be hunting?  In VA, all new hunters have to go through a "Hunter Safety Course" before they can get a license.  I hope the two of you have many years hunting together.  As my late grandfather used to say "I'd rather hunt with 'em than hunt for 'em.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:22 PM

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I don't think you can go wrong with the .243/6mm, or the 30/30.
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