I just watched about 5 games with Bradford at QB and I cannot help but think this kid is a replica of Phillip Rivers.  Does anyone else see that distinction or am I just ?

We'll see... I think the senior bowl will be telling I guess.

22JoeWash wrote: It's a Drew Brees situation. The difference is Brees had this surgery after proving he was an NFL QB while Bradford has only played in college in the spread.

I have total faith in the Orthopedic technology to restore Bradford as good as new.

That being said, the Rams and Browns want a new QB and should draft ahead of us.

Bradford is not worth trading up for and giving up later choices. Too many Oline problems.

I guess we could do that and go with Pennington or Brennan for a year while we rebuild the OL... I wouldn't be against that..  I think if you get a chance to get a stud QB, however, you have to take it.

bigstink9 wrote: I see the comparison to Rivers, it all depends who's available when we pick. IF the the top OT is on the board along with Bradford, my personal preference is to go with the offensive lineman.

Think about it, Samuels is likely done and our oline is being manned by a bunch of backups. Not one would you consider a starter in the NFL.
Why bring a QB with a reconstructed shoulder to play behind a line that will leave him open to getting that shoulder busted again?? If the shoulder requires surgery again, you could be looking at a loss in arm strength a la Pennington.

Question is, who IS the top offensive tackle. All drafts are not equal.

It's never as simple as saying "Fix the O-line, draft a tackle." Or "We need a franchise QB so draft one."

And trading down isn't always an option, so you better be ready to pick where you're slotted.

As far as Bradfor goes, he's tough to evaluate. Rivers was a top QB on a middling ACC team, and it was pretty obvious that he carried his teammates to a certain extent. Bradford plays on a very talented team in an offensive system that doesn't translate well to the NFL. So there's always the question about him being a system quarterback being carried by talented teammates. So what you have to look for is if he steps up as a leader in crunch time. If he produces even when under pressure. And wait for his workouts with NFL scouts to see how he responds.

Finding QBs can be such a crapshoot. And that makes drafting an O-lineman more attractive. But you can reach for a tackle, as well. You look around the league, and most all of the top offensive tackles are first round draft picks. But there's been plenty of busts in the first round at that position, too.

As ususal, the Skins have a dearth of draft picks, so they are limited in what they can do. The main thing is to do careful evaluation. Hopefully, someone capable is in place to do that when the time comes.

I think we should wait for Sirewolf to weigh in on whether or not Sam Bradford is the next Phillip Rivers. I mean, he knows what Phillip Rivers's buttcrack tastes like because his tongue is always up it....

stickyheels wrote:

I think we should wait for Sirewolf to weigh in on whether or not Sam Bradford is the next Phillip Rivers. I mean, he knows what Phillip Rivers's buttcrack tastes like because his tongue is always up it....

Before the draft, I posted that we should move to draft Philip. Everyone fussed and found fault. That's behind us. Once in a while I will bring up that fail, but rarely. You must have some serious UNC QB envy complex or something, ankle biter.  And you must have me confused with your mama concerning Philip's butt.

What Sticky said was down right hilarious but I was waiting for you to chime in Sirewolf.   What do you think about the comparisons I made?

Arm strength about equal

Eerily close delivery

close in mobility

Both make good reads and adjustments pre snap

I like Bradfords attitude better than Rivers...

What's your take, Sire?

Sirewolf wrote:

 

stickyheels wrote:

I think we should wait for Sirewolf to weigh in on whether or not Sam Bradford is the next Phillip Rivers. I mean, he knows what Phillip Rivers's buttcrack tastes like because his tongue is always up it....

Before the draft, I posted that we should move to draft Philip. Everyone fussed and found fault. That's behind us. Once in a while I will bring up that fail, but rarely. You must have some serious UNC QB envy complex or something, ankle biter.  And you must have me confused with your mama concerning Philip's butt.

I'd like to have seen what he could do under pressure. For the most part, he had all the time in the world to pass in that conference, when he didnt, he didn't play well. Its a shame, this year he couldve shown how he could handle pressure, instead he got hurt. I'm not sold, though I like his potential.

jsagan77 wrote:

I just watched about 5 games with Bradford at QB and I cannot help but think this kid is a replica of Phillip Rivers. Does anyone else see that distinction or am I just ?

But is that really a telling sign?  When Tom Brady gets time he's all world.  You saw what happened to him in the SB when the Giants were basically living in his back field.  Same goes for any QB.

The Consiglieri wrote:

I'd like to have seen what he could do under pressure. For the most part, he had all the time in the world to pass in that conference, when he didnt, he didn't play well. Its a shame, this year he couldve shown how he could handle pressure, instead he got hurt. I'm not sold, though I like his potential.

jsagan77 wrote:

I just watched about 5 games with Bradford at QB and I cannot help but think this kid is a replica of Phillip Rivers. Does anyone else see that distinction or am I just ?

 

Hmmmm. I also seem to remember, in that Super Bowl, that Brady, depsite being under pressure the entire game, drove his team down the field in the fourth quarter for a touchdown to take the lead. And he came terrifyingly close to completing a couple of passes down the field in the waning seconds to get the Pats in field goal range.

THAT'S what you look for. How does your QB peform under pressure, in crunch time? Is this something film can tell us about Bradford? Does Bradford have a defining game that can tell us something about his performance under the spot light? If not, everything's a guess. It's not a final determiner for NFL success, but it makes the evaluation process more difficult.

The shoulder has to be assessed carefully, but we've seen Drew Brees and Bret Favre recover from shoulder injuries recently. It's a reason for caution, but not elimination from consideration.

jsagan77 wrote:

But is that really a telling sign?  When Tom Brady gets time he's all world.  You saw what happened to him in the SB when the Giants were basically living in his back field.  Same goes for any QB.

Sirewolf wrote:

 

stickyheels wrote:

I think we should wait for Sirewolf to weigh in on whether or not Sam Bradford is the next Phillip Rivers. I mean, he knows what Phillip Rivers's buttcrack tastes like because his tongue is always up it....

Before the draft, I posted that we should move to draft Philip. Everyone fussed and found fault. That's behind us. Once in a while I will bring up that fail, but rarely. You must have some serious UNC QB envy complex or something, ankle biter. And you must have me confused with your mama concerning Philip's butt.

I don't envy your 3-5 record. That's for sure.

Bradfords shoulder is jello.....I dont even want to consider him.

Bradford does have some similarities to Rivers. I think he is far more mobile though, even though Bradford isn't exaclty a running QB.

Rivers I believe played in a more traditional pro-style offense in college while Bradford plays in a spread. I think Bradford could be terrific in the New England Patriots-style system, probably do well in a WCO, but might struggle (at least in the beginning) a little playing in one of the Coryell-based attacks ala San Diego.

Yes, it is. Noone is as good under pressure, but who goes Tony Eason or Jim Everett, and who goes Joe Montana, or yes, even Tom Brady is very important. If you can handle pressure and still operate, you're valuable, if you can't, you're a weakness, because if there's one thing the NFL can do, it's design defenses that can bring pressure on the QB.

jsagan77 wrote:

But is that really a telling sign? When Tom Brady gets time he's all world. You saw what happened to him in the SB when the Giants were basically living in his back field. Same goes for any QB.

The Consiglieri wrote:

I'd like to have seen what he could do under pressure. For the most part, he had all the time in the world to pass in that conference, when he didnt, he didn't play well. Its a shame, this year he couldve shown how he could handle pressure, instead he got hurt. I'm not sold, though I like his potential.

jsagan77 wrote:

I just watched about 5 games with Bradford at QB and I cannot help but think this kid is a replica of Phillip Rivers. Does anyone else see that distinction or am I just ?

 

 

maybe I'm a little biased, but can anyone remember the last QB to come out of the Big 12 that was worth a piss? I'm sitting here and trying to think of any current QB that came from that conference that is still around much less anyone starting...oops, just remembered now Young is back at QB for Tennessee, but that's it as far as I know and he's not exactly shown that he can hang at this level yet..

ATL - Ryan/ BC - ACC
AZ - Warner/N. Ill?
BAL - Flacco/Delaware
BUFF - Edwards/
Carolina - DelHomme
Chicago - Cutler/Vandy SEC
Cinn - palmer/ USC - Pac10
Cleveland - Anderson/Ore St. - Pac10
Detroit - Stafford/Ga. - SEC
Denver - Orton/Purdue - Big 10
Green Bay - Rodgers/Cal - Pac10
Houston - Schaub/Va. - ACC
Indi - manning/Tenn - SEC
Jacksonville - Gerrard/East Carolina

that's the first 15 teams in the league and there's a bunch more that I know about, it's just not a conference known for quality QB play. Bradford could be the exception, but with his shoulder injury history, I would stay away.

man i hope we dont draft this guy !

I'll take a pass on this guy as well for the time being I haven't seen anything that consistently equates with what he'll face in the pro-game and a built in shoulder fragility means this guy only becomes good value in the 3rd round imho.

None of the Big 12 QBs are really doing it for me, fun to watch, but the they faltter to deceive.

It's a better draft at the moment to let someone get up and snatch a project QB while we slide back for serious OL help.

Case Keenum should be our guy:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-rest1-2009nov0 1,0,482748.story

559 yards, 5 touchdowns, and they're not really running a fluky offense either.  The guy needed just 36 seconds to get the winning touchdown.  His aura is nothing but winner.

It seems like there are too many teams that suck this year who need QB help.  I think it's going to be hard for him to fall.

bigstink9 wrote: If we could trade back and pick up another 1st, if Bradford fell I'd have no problems drafting him.

Just saw Adam Shefter on MN Countdown.  He noted that Dr. Andrews, who is the Skin's doc, has done great wonders for Brees and Favre and is doing the surgury on Bradford.   Adam admitted that Bradford will probably slide in the draft but he said that he would be surprised if he slipped past the Skins, stating that we would know more than anybody whether or not Bradford could recover.

Bradford seems to be a very cerebral QB, ala Peyton, and I would love for him to be our next franchise guy.    He is extremely accurate and, unlike McCoy, has an adequate arm.  I think Chucky would salivate at a chance for Bradford and I think the two could be a winning combo. 

Yea I know, we need linemen but you dont pass on a franchise QB.  I have watched real QB's with less protection than JC stand strong and throw the ball down field to the guy with single coverage.  Of coarse if we dont improve the line, Bradford will not make it passed the preseason.   Maybe Samuels can come back and maybe Levi can still play.  I wish the Z man would give up on Heyer so we could see what Levi can do before the season is up. 

Coming into the year there was no way I thought we would have a shot at Bradford aside from a blockbuster trade up.   It looks like we will have a high pick than I thought, though I dont think we will be top five, and it looks like Bradford might slide a little.    I still have high hopes for Colt Brennan but I will take Bradford in the mean time.  I will take a Brees/ Rivers scenario any day. 

Here's to winning a few more games so that we are not so focused on next year.  Hail to em

It appears that Bradford will definately drop out of the top 10 in the drafts amid questions of his durability.  He also has not ran a pro offense which makes him look like the rest of the Qb's in the gimmick spread ofenses.  I would pass because he is already damaged goods at the college level.  The redskins need the most sure pro bowl pick they can get.  They cant afford to miss because we have already been down that road and it set the franchise back 3 years.  Just imagine if a 350 lb tackle got a clean shot on him.

Are we a team that will start a drafted QB?  I don't think so, Then who do we start while he waits?  Brennan?  Don't think so, we are back to square one, looking for a vet QB that is serviceable while the draftee is trained.  We are still screwed for several years it seems.  Building the line for a couple years seems more productive.  Any QB brought in won't help in the short run, and we are in building mode now, not desperately seeking a QB savoir because "we are almost there".  We are just like every other bottom five teams in the league, no talent left that hasn't aged.  There's no denying we are in total rebuild mode, I keep Cooley then start over, get what we can for the young WR's they aren't any good anyway.

22JoeWash wrote:
Don't expect Bradford to fall out of the top 10.

Yeah I don't think so either, he's the best QB in the draft. Yeah there will be an injury history you have to worry about but chances are whoever drafts him is going to be very happy.

I hope we get a chance to pick him.