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The Mark Sanchez Thread (post them all here)
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Posted: 4/9/2009 2:57 PM
The Mark Sanchez Thread (post them all here)
I just saw on SportsCenter that Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez with the 13th pick. I hope we don't draft him we already have a starting QB in Jason Campbell and we have Colt Brennan. We should draft Andre Smith if he is there.Picking Mark Sanchez would make no sense.
Last edited 4/18/2009 10:17 AM by Monkster
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Posted: 4/9/2009 3:03 PM
Re: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Coqui2009 wrote: I just saw on SportsCenter that Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez with the 13th pick. I hope we don't draft him we already have a starting QB in Jason Campbell and we have Colt Brennan. We should draft Andre Smith if he is there.Picking Mark Sanchez would make no sense. We don't have a starting quality QB in Jason. That said, if Sanchez falls to us we still shouldn't take him. I never understood Kiper's fascination with this kid. I've never been impressed. Teams picking below us will be falling all over themselves for this guy. We should use him as leverage and move down for the highest bidder. |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 3:05 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
I think he is over-rated, AND, gone by 13.
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Posted: 4/9/2009 3:08 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
That's weird because I think he's underated and still there at 13... ROFL!
It's funny how people's opinions differ, isn't it...
----Rat Boy wrote: ---------------
I think he is over-rated, AND, gone by 13.
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Posted: 4/9/2009 3:09 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
I think it would be a mistake to draft Sanchez...but I have become convinced that Snyder doesn't draft for need . He drafts by getting the player who will market the best and sell the most jerseys. At 13 that would be Sanchez. Therefore Snyder could take him
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Posted: 4/9/2009 3:12 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
I heard that the Andre Smith jersey's come with built in man boobs... Any truth to this rumor?
----Vatoothdoc wrote: ---------------
I think it would be a mistake to draft Sanchez...but I have become convinced that Snyder doesn't draft for need . He drafts by getting the player who will market the best and sell the most jerseys. At 13 that would be Sanchez. Therefore Snyder could take him
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Posted: 4/9/2009 3:18 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
jsagan77 wrote: I heard that the Andre Smith jersey's come with built in man boobs.
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Posted: 4/9/2009 3:18 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
I think most of the people who'd buy the jersey don't have any need for synthetic man boobs...they provide their own!
----jsagan77 wrote: ---------------
I heard that the Andre Smith jersey's come with built in man boobs... Any truth to this rumor?
----Vatoothdoc wrote: ---------------
I think it would be a mistake to draft Sanchez...but I have become convinced that Snyder doesn't draft for need . He drafts by getting the player who will market the best and sell the most jerseys. At 13 that would be Sanchez. Therefore Snyder could take him
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Posted: 4/9/2009 3:32 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Everybody knows that The Nose subscribes to "Kiper Insider", so I guess we are drafting a QB....
Seems to be a gamble to commit to eternal life wearing Old Snyderroo's permanent knee pads, Vinny!
(Bring the KY) Cutler would have been sooooo easy too.
Last edited 4/9/2009 4:15 PM by Carnack
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Posted: 4/9/2009 3:33 PM
Re: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
If we take Mark Sanchez Vinny should resign as soon as the draft is over because everyone would know for sure he isn't the one making the draft decisions.Picking Mark Sanchez would be such a Danny move. It would also say to me that we wasted a 6th rd pick on Colt Brennan if we feel a need to draft another QB this year.
Last edited 4/9/2009 3:37 PM by Coqui2009
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Posted: 4/9/2009 3:47 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Vatoothdoc wrote: I think it would be a mistake to draft Sanchez...but I have become convinced that Snyder doesn't draft for need . He drafts by getting the player who will market the best and sell the most jerseys.
Can you explain how this has influenced the picks Snyder has made in the last few years? |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 3:53 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
This "mistake" would make a bigger difference to this team than any other offseason move including Haynesworth. And it could just as easy have Vinny's stamp (the USC connections) and Zorn's as Danny. Zorn knows he sinks or swims with Campbell and may think Colt is not a starting QB. If he has a project at QB other than JC or Brennan, he gets another year.
But I'm a one man band.
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:00 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
I hope it's Sanchez. Nobody questions Detroit taking the kid from Georgia with the first pick and he is no where near the talent Sanchez is. From a personal perspective I hate USC. But Sanchez is one of those guys you've got to land. |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:03 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Well, Wolley, hope you've got your armor on.
You know it's scary when Smell Kiper and VanDinny might be thinking like you!
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:04 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Why would we make a luxury pick of Sanchez at #13 when we have so many holes to fill on both lines?
There's going to be a deeper pool of QBs available next season, so why not wait until 2010? We can get by with JC and Brennan this season, but how long can this team expect to be successful with an aging defensive and offensive line?
I know people don't like picking lineman because they don't get the blood flowing, but that's who we should be targeting almost exclusively in this upcoming draft.
If both lines were solid and we'd seen what Colt had to offer and he was found lacking, then yes I'd be open to selecting him, but people forget he's a 6'2 QB, ( same height as Colt), and had one year of starting before he declared for the draft.
IMO Mark Sanchez isn't a need pick for us at this point in time.
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:14 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
The main problem I have with picking any QB out of college is that the tallent is so skewed that QBs especially end up being a product of the players around them. I just remember way to many passes to wide open receivers to really know what this Sanchez kids is all about.
On an up note, he found the open receivers... that is something the current QB can't do.
Last edited 4/9/2009 4:14 PM by Mayor Monkey
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:14 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
LooseOnTheLead wrote:
Vatoothdoc wrote: I think it would be a mistake to draft Sanchez...but I have become convinced that Snyder doesn't draft for need . He drafts by getting the player who will market the best and sell the most jerseys.
Can you explain how this has influenced the picks Snyder has made in the last few years?
I'll use last year as an example: with three picks in the second round with obvious needs we take a WR, TE, and another WR. Ignoring other concerns at that time like LB, OL and D-line. The theory is ....WRs jerseys especially those picked in the second round will sell better than other positions picked in the second round.
The year before we had Taylor at safety which wasn't a need and by reports one of the strongest secondarys in football.... and we drafted Landry, who is a great player but was he a need? Not then but I'm sure glad we have him now. Did Snyder feel marketing a safety was easier than some of of the other positions available and needed at the time? I don't know for sure but sometimes I can't help but feel it plays a part in who we draft in the earlier rounds.
I'm not saying it's the only consideration...but I can't help but think that as Snyder sits in his GM chair the thought of who will market better influences his decisions when drafting a player.
Last edited 4/9/2009 4:17 PM by Vatoothdoc
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:26 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
That's funny... Luxury picks are our forte'
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[b]Why would we make a luxury pick of Sanchez at #13 when we have so many holes to fill on both lines?[b\]
There's going to be a deeper pool of QBs available next season, so why not wait until 2010? We can get by with JC and Brennan this season, but how long can this team expect to be successful with an aging defensive and offensive line?
I know people don't like picking lineman because they don't get the blood flowing, but that's who we should be targeting almost exclusively in this upcoming draft.
If both lines were solid and we'd seen what Colt had to offer and he was found lacking, then yes I'd be open to selecting him, but people forget he's a 6'2 QB, ( same height as Colt), and had one year of starting before he declared for the draft.
IMO Mark Sanchez isn't a need pick for us at this point in time.
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:29 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
STFU Mel!
We need big heavy strong young hungry linemen.
FFS!
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:37 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
We have them, now all we need are good ones... haha
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STFU Mel!
We need big heavy strong young hungry linemen.
FFS!
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:44 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
I would have been fine with this pick if we had like 6 other draft picks available.
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:47 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Just a few days ago, this FO was ready to sell the farm and any hope of filling the holes on the lines through the draft for Cutler. They obviously saw the QB situation as a "position of need." And Danny lost out because a rookie HC watched film on your QB and preferred the exciting Mr.Orton. During that shopping around you found out that the guy you'd spent 4 years of time and effort on(including hiring the QB "guru") wasn't viewed any higher than a 4th rounder.
But as a fan, you either think QB play is worth 3 or 4 wins to this team or you think JC will "get it" and we'll be better than 8-8. We don't need to beat that horse again.
Kiper has spent his whole adult life studying the draft and that includes studying what makes people like Snyder pick who they do. That's why he's got us taking Sanchez.
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:01 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
jsagan77 wrote: That's weird because I think he's underated and still there at 13... ROFL!
It's funny how people's opinions differ, isn't it...
----Rat Boy wrote: ---------------
I think he is over-rated, AND, gone by 13.
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Hmm. Well I think he WAS underrated until his pro day, but now he's not and so he'll probably be gone by 13. If Sanchez had stayed for his senior year, then I think he could have had a serious shot at being the #1 overall pick in 2010.
In Kiper's new mock he has the top three OTs off the board, as well as the top DEs. He does still have Oher available, which would be a good pick for us at a need position. Still, Sanchez at #13 has more value than Oher. Taking him would be a defensible pick, but if it were me I'd probably try to work a trade with some team behind us that REALLY wants/needs a QB. |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:10 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Viktor wrote:
jsagan77 wrote: That's weird because I think he's underated and still there at 13... ROFL!
It's funny how people's opinions differ, isn't it...
----Rat Boy wrote: ---------------
I think he is over-rated, AND, gone by 13.
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Hmm. Well I think he WAS underrated until his pro day, but now he's not and so he'll probably be gone by 13. If Sanchez had stayed for his senior year, then I think he could have had a serious shot at being the #1 overall pick in 2010.
In Kiper's new mock he has the top three OTs off the board, as well as the top DEs. He does still have Oher available, which would be a good pick for us at a need position. Still, Sanchez at #13 has more value than Oher. Taking him would be a defensible pick, but if it were me I'd probably try to work a trade with some team behind us that REALLY wants/needs a QB. We REALLY need a QB.  |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:12 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Do you think we'd be better off seeing if we could unload JC for a 2nd or 3rd rounder and taking Sanchez or trading back? ----Viktor wrote: --------------- jsagan77 wrote: That's weird because I think he's underated and still there at 13... ROFL!
It's funny how people's opinions differ, isn't it...
----Rat Boy wrote: ---------------
I think he is over-rated, AND, gone by 13.
--------------------------------------------- Hmm. Well I think he WAS underrated until his pro day, but now he's not and so he'll probably be gone by 13. If Sanchez had stayed for his senior year, then I think he could have had a serious shot at being the #1 overall pick in 2010. In Kiper's new mock he has the top three OTs off the board, as well as the top DEs. He does still have Oher available, which would be a good pick for us at a need position. Still, Sanchez at #13 has more value than Oher. Taking him would be a defensible pick, but if it were me I'd probably try to work a trade with some team behind us that REALLY wants/needs a QB. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:19 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
I think we should take Percy Harvin - even if he is a Gator.
Last edited 4/9/2009 5:19 PM by Carnack
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:23 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
I dread hearing "Percy 'My Favorite' Harvin" come out of Chris Berman's trap 20 times a year... Since he can't come up with new material he'll have to recycle Curtis Martin's main stay and transfer it into Harvin if he blows up...lol ----Carnack wrote: --------------- I think we should take Percy Harvin - even if he is a Gator. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:38 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
jsagan77 wrote: Do you think we'd be better off seeing if we could unload JC for a 2nd or 3rd rounder and taking Sanchez or trading back?
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Hmm. Well I think he WAS underrated until his pro day, but now he's not and so he'll probably be gone by 13. If Sanchez had stayed for his senior year, then I think he could have had a serious shot at being the #1 overall pick in 2010.
In Kiper's new mock he has the top three OTs off the board, as well as the top DEs. He does still have Oher available, which would be a good pick for us at a need position. Still, Sanchez at #13 has more value than Oher. Taking him would be a defensible pick, but if it were me I'd probably try to work a trade with some team behind us that REALLY wants/needs a QB.
--------------------------------------------- Well, if they decide to go for Sanchez that pretty much means Campbell has no future here. It would make sense to move Campbell if they were to decide to go with Sanchez. I was strongly against the Cutler trade mainly because of the multiple 1st round picks they wanted, in addition to a good player. In this scenario, Sanchez would only cost one 1st round pick, and nothing else. That's a much better price tag. We could argue all day about whether Cutler is better than Sanchez, and how to quantify (in picks) exactly how much he MIGHT be better. I like Sanchez, and think he's going to be a good pro QB. I think he's a better prospect than Matt Leinart (and might see the field sooner than Leinart, too). Is he better than Campbell? I have no idea, but I wouldn't be too harsh on Vinny if this scenario plays out and he took Sanchez and traded Campbell for a 2nd round pick. I also wouldn't blame him if he were to trade back and hang on to Campbell. I just hope he doesn't take someone based on need who isn't good enough to take at #13. If Sanchez is there at #13 and Vinny doesn't want to take him, then he has to trade back. |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:45 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
The only way on God's green earth that we get a Second Round pick for Jason Campbell is if a starting QB goes down on a team with nothing but rookies in the wing. And that would be after the Draft.
I would be happy to get a Fourth in this Draft.
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:48 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
"Is he better than Campbell"? Good God. My grandmother is better than Campbell. And if she would just get rid of them Army boots, you'd see what I mean. |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:48 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
I wouldn't be surprised if he is taken at #13. After all, the damage to Campbell's confidence has already been done. There wouldn't be any more harm to take him. Campbell may be saying the right things, but he was hurt by the trade talk, and he doesn't trust the FO, and his confidence was shaken. He will be looking over his shoulder all year, which is not what he needs. He needs some tough love from Zorn. |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:52 PM
Re: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
I really hope Jason has a great season this season because that means we won't have to talk about getting a new QB for a long time.
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:52 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Carnack wrote: The only way on God's green earth that we get a Second Round pick for Jason Campbell is if a starting QB goes down on a team with nothing but rookies in the wing. And that would be after the Draft.
I would be happy to get a Fourth in this Draft. Maybe, maybe not. I really have no idea what value each other team would put on Campbell, and I seriously doubt if anyone else on this board does either. There have certainly been a lot of negative assessments on his value expressed around here lately, but I have no reason to believe they truly represent reality. Put it this way, I would open negotiations by asking for a 2nd, and see what I could get if I pushed that hard.
Last edited 4/9/2009 5:53 PM by Viktor
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Posted: 4/9/2009 6:06 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Carnack wrote: The only way on God's green earth that we get a Second Round pick for Jason Campbell is if a starting QB goes down on a team with nothing but rookies in the wing. And that would be after the Draft.
I would be happy to get a Fourth in this Draft. The only way JC gets a second is if we trade him for a 4th and then Danny trades a 2nd to get him back.  During all that Cutler mess, the scuttlebutt on other sites was a 4th for JC. But keeping JC, cut/trade Collins, draft Sanchez. keep Colt is not the end of the world. If all 3 look good, we could trade one next year (long shot scenario). If we don't renew JC, we've got 2 good young QBs. A month ago, I was worried about three positions of need and one first day pick. I think we'll do something at ROT before opening day. And the more I think about Haynesworth, I think Blache has enough options with the rest of the Dline for a year. But SAM is worrisome. Maybe Wilson's switch and another FA/cut down will make it unnecessary to spend #13 on an OLB. |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 6:14 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Viktor wrote:
Carnack wrote: The only way on God's green earth that we get a Second Round pick for Jason Campbell is if a starting QB goes down on a team with nothing but rookies in the wing. And that would be after the Draft.
I would be happy to get a Fourth in this Draft.
Maybe, maybe not. I really have no idea what value each other team would put on Campbell, and I seriously doubt if anyone else on this board does either. There have certainly been a lot of negative assessments on his value expressed around here lately, but I have no reason to believe they truly represent reality. Put it this way, I would open negotiations by asking for a 2nd, and see what I could get if I pushed that hard.
The only reality we have with certainty was that the FO deemed Campbell to be inferior to Cutler and tried to trade him.
That is supported bythe report of the FO's inability to get a Second when he was apparently shopped around during the Cutler trade attempts, and the reports from one "league source" saying that he would only bring a Fourth. That's all.
Still I am not so sure any of that changes or will get much better unless you have a specific scenario where a team is desperate and in need of a QB with recent starting experience. That is like waiting for the planents to align in 2012.
This FO ain't Parcells so expect a Fourth at best if he is traded. |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 6:28 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Kiper is the best at what he does but I don't see how in the world with the Lions leaning toward Stafford that the Jags at #8,Niners at #10 and Broncos at #12 would all pass on Sanchez.
Stranger things have happened but I just don't Sanchez being there at #13.
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Posted: 4/9/2009 6:42 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
For all those advocating drafting Sanchez at #13, if this happens, I would hope you all refrain from criticizing lack of pass rush/ poor Oline play next season.
The payoff from Sanchez, assuming he outplays Colt, will be at least two years down the road. Also with a rapidly declining Oline, it will take several more years to rebuild an underperforming unit, including several solid drafts at the OT, G, and C positions.
Why not set up the Skins with a strong foundation, ( solid Oline) that allows any decent QB to come in here and be successful?
Also, just because we were willing to sell the baby to acquire Cutler, as of right now, there's no way Sanchez is close to being the QB Cutler was, and he's not worth the 1st round pick for the SKins in this draft.
What I don't get is that so many of us criticize the FO for approaching the draft, if we even have picks to spend, as if it were fantasy football. However, when we have an obvious universal need at SLB, OT, and DE, there's a chorus saying, " hey, forget about our real needs, let's get that shiny new QB from USC!!"
I heard someone on the radio today evaluate what's wrong with JC in a way that summarizes all the debates in the endless JC threads on this forum, " JC is not a bad QB. His problem is that he's not a DYNAMIC QB."
That's a really elegant way of saying Campbell doesn't make enough plays to spark the offense and put the ball in the endzone.
Hopefully next season JC can improve on this score, hopefully Zorn is willing to bench him for a game or two in favor of Brennan or someone else to drive home the point to Campbell that the QB needs to makes more scoring plays for this offense to be successful.
What I've read and seen of the top prospects so far in this draft is that after the top 20, the overall talent level flattens and there are less surefire blue chippers available.
At #13, we're virtually guaranteed to sign a big time talent who's capable of giving us a significant contribution next season and dramatically improve our win totals.
If we spend that pick on a QB, we're another season delayed on rebuilding the foundation of this, or any, franchise into a playoff contender.
If Oher is the guy who's still on the board, there should be no debate about whom we pick.
HTTR
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Posted: 4/9/2009 6:47 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Jeremybozz wrote: Kiper is the best at what he does but I don't see how in the world with the Lions leaning toward Stafford that the Jags at #8,Niners at #10 and Broncos at #12 would all pass on Sanchez.
Stranger things have happened but I just don't Sanchez being there at #13. Not unless Snyder is willing to move up to the Rams #2 spot. |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 6:49 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
bigstink9 wrote: Why would we make a luxury pick of Sanchez at #13 when we have so many holes to fill on both lines? Because Heckle and Jeckle are making the pick. |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 7:15 PM
RE: Mel Kiper has us taking Mark Sanchez at 13
Jeremybozz wrote: Kiper is the best at what he does but I don't see how in the world with the Lions leaning toward Stafford that the Jags at #8,Niners at #10 and Broncos at #12 would all pass on Sanchez.
Stranger things have happened but I just don't Sanchez being there at #13. Smell is planning to plant a rumor about a failed drug test. |
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