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What are the Global Cooling Deniers Going to say About This?

Posted: 7/6/2014 5:21 PM

What are the Global Cooling Deniers Going to say About This? 


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Posted: 7/6/2014 8:46 PM

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And of course the administration's war on coal is occurring just as we need an ever more economical and reliable source for electrical power generation.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 8:04 AM

Apparently nothing. 


Reducing warming is but one small part of the Warmers agenda.

Last edited 7/7/2014 8:05 AM by cazvol

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Posted: 7/7/2014 5:58 PM

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Reducing warming is but one small part of the Warmers agenda.



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Warming...cooling...it matters not. Just an excuse for control of the masses.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 6:11 PM

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NOAA's data and research supports not just global warming, but anthropic climate change

glad to know you now accept their research as valid..

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/




IMAVOL wrote: www.forbes.com/sites/jamestayl...e-long-cooling/
~The Economist: "Once upon a time the American right led the world when it came to rethinking government; now it is an intellectual pygmy"~


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Posted: 7/7/2014 6:46 PM

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and if in a matter of seconds you now don't believe NOAA..

here is some other "science" you can chew on.. but you won't.  because you think the scientific consensus is wrong.. they are all collaborating for Al Gore I guess?.  You'd rather take an opinion piece in Forbes written by a non scientists guy employed by the Heartland Institute

http://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/opinion/10883/insid e-warming-hiatus

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EF0 00165/full


Volcohol wrote: NOAA's data and research supports not just global warming, but anthropic climate change

glad to know you now accept their research as valid..

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/




IMAVOL wrote: www.forbes.com/sites/jamestayl...e-long-cooling/
~The Economist: "Once upon a time the American right led the world when it came to rethinking government; now it is an intellectual pygmy"~


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Posted: 7/7/2014 7:04 PM

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"Of course, to global warming alarmists, all real-world data are irrelevant."
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Posted: 7/7/2014 10:24 PM

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cool Yep. 
rocketcityvol wrote:


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Reducing warming is but one small part of the Warmers agenda.



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Warming...cooling...it matters not. Just an excuse for control of the masses.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 11:01 PM

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Volcohol wrote:

NOAA's data and research supports not just global warming, but anthropic climate change


I'll ask you the same question I lightheartedly asked Vandy in another thread... was that nice weather that we had on July 4th due to climate change or in spite of it?
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Posted: 7/8/2014 9:54 AM

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You don't understand the difference between weather and climate.. which is beyond sad and funny at the same time.


highVOLtage wrote:

Volcohol wrote:

NOAA's data and research supports not just global warming, but anthropic climate change


I'll ask you the same question I lightheartedly asked Vandy in another thread... was that nice weather that we had on July 4th due to climate change or in spite of it?
~The Economist: "Once upon a time the American right led the world when it came to rethinking government; now it is an intellectual pygmy"~


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Posted: 7/8/2014 9:55 AM

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"Of course, to global warming deniers, non-scientists using excel linear graphs for a 10 year trend trump all other scientists studying climate change"

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rocketcityvol wrote: "Of course, to global warming alarmists, all real-world data are irrelevant."
~The Economist: "Once upon a time the American right led the world when it came to rethinking government; now it is an intellectual pygmy"~


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Posted: 7/8/2014 10:51 AM

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They are going to say, once again, that US is not the entire world.  The keyword in Global Warming is "Global".
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Posted: 7/8/2014 11:21 AM

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So instead of answering my question, you go the route of implying something silly... like, no correlation between weather and climate then? Gotcha, thanks.

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You don't understand the difference between weather and climate.. which is beyond sad and funny at the same time.

highVOLtage wrote:
Volcohol wrote:

NOAA's data and research supports not just global warming, but anthropic climate change

I'll ask you the same question I lightheartedly asked Vandy in another thread... was that nice weather that we had on July 4th due to climate change or in spite of it?
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Posted: 7/8/2014 11:29 AM

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They are going to say, once again, that US is not the entire world.  The keyword in Global Warming is "Global".

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I figured Vandy would be the one to make that point. True, the U.S. is not the entire world. But it's a pretty good chunk of real estate. With open air. So it's not like we're in a large isolated bubble while the rest of the world around us supposedly warms.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 1:42 PM

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highVOLtage wrote: ---------------------------------------------
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They are going to say, once again, that US is not the entire world.  The keyword in Global Warming is "Global".

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I figured Vandy would be the one to make that point. True, the U.S. is not the entire world. But it's a pretty good chunk of real estate. With open air. So it's not like we're in a large isolated bubble while the rest of the world around us supposedly warms.
The US land mass takes up about 1.9% of the Earth's surface.

But, anyway, here is an article that addresses the topic: http://www.climate.gov/news-fe...ing-past-decade

"The long-term trend—change over the course of a century or more—is what defines “global warming,” not the change from year to year or even decade to decade. Rising emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases since the Industrial Revolution explain most of the overall warming trend over the past century, and the rate of emissions has not slowed significantly in the recent past. So what else has been going on in the climate system over the past decade that could account for the pause in Earth’s surface warming trend?

During the last decade, a longer than usual solar minimum cycle, several volcanic eruptions, and relatively low amounts of water vapor in the stratosphere may have helped cool the atmosphere temporarily. But recent research suggests that the Earth’s natural climate variability—natural, short-term fluctuations in the climate system that occur on a year-to-year basis or longer—may have played the most pivotal role of all by transferring excess heat from the Earth’s surface into the deep ocean."

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Posted: 7/8/2014 2:26 PM

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"The US land mass takes up about 1.9% of the Earth's surface."

And all land takes up about 29% of the earth's surface. But, anyway, rather than argue that we're in a smallish bubble it might be more logical to agree that:
"the USCRN data are entirely consistent with – and indeed lend additional evidentiary support for – the global warming stagnation of the past 17-plus years. While objective temperature data show there has been no global warming since sometime last century, the USCRN data confirm this ongoing stagnation in the United States, also."

"During the last decade, a longer than usual solar minimum cycle, several volcanic eruptions, and relatively low amounts of water vapor in the stratosphere may have helped cool the atmosphere temporarily. But recent research suggests that the Earth’s natural climate variability—natural, short-term fluctuations in the climate system that occur on a year-to-year basis or longer—may have played the most pivotal role of all by transferring excess heat from the Earth’s surface into the deep ocean."

So. A host of other variables, all beyond the control of humans, have accounted for climate change over the last decade. Fascinating.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 2:33 PM

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KnoxKid wrote:
highVOLtage wrote: ---------------------------------------------
--- KnoxKid wrote:
They are going to say, once again, that US is not the entire world.  The keyword in Global Warming is "Global".

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I figured Vandy would be the one to make that point. True, the U.S. is not the entire world. But it's a pretty good chunk of real estate. With open air. So it's not like we're in a large isolated bubble while the rest of the world around us supposedly warms.
The US land mass takes up about 1.9% of the Earth's surface.

But, anyway, here is an article that addresses the topic: http://www.climate.gov/news-fe...ing-past-decade

"The long-term trend—change over the course of a century or more—is what defines “global warming,” not the change from year to year or even decade to decade. Rising emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases since the Industrial Revolution explain most of the overall warming trend over the past century, and the rate of emissions has not slowed significantly in the recent past. So what else has been going on in the climate system over the past decade that could account for the pause in Earth’s surface warming trend?

During the last decade, a longer than usual solar minimum cycle, several volcanic eruptions, and relatively low amounts of water vapor in the stratosphere may have helped cool the atmosphere temporarily. But recent research suggests that the Earth’s natural climate variability—natural, short-term fluctuations in the climate system that occur on a year-to-year basis or longer—may have played the most pivotal role of all by transferring excess heat from the Earth’s surface into the deep ocean."

Since the world's surface is about 70% water and I don't know anybody that lives in the oceans, I think these measurements are more appropriate.

https://answers.yahoo.com/ques...28073615AAsNXtZ

In total land mass, the US is about 6.6%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee_land

At 3.71 million square miles (9.62 million km2) and with around 318 million people, the United States is the world's third or fourth-largest country by total area and third-largest by population.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 2:45 PM

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Do you not think there is a climate over the oceans?

Also, 6.6% of all land mass is still a very small percentage.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 2:49 PM

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And those other variables, that are totally out of the control of humans, could never have contributed, or been the sole cause, of increases in temerature that global warming alarmists (AKA Warmers or profiteers) point to as the trend that we should use to dismantle our economy to stop...nah...
highVOLtage wrote: "The US land mass takes up about 1.9% of the Earth's surface."

And all land takes up about 29% of the earth's surface. But, anyway, rather than argue that we're in a smallish bubble it might be more logical to agree that:
"the USCRN data are entirely consistent with – and indeed lend additional evidentiary support for – the global warming stagnation of the past 17-plus years. While objective temperature data show there has been no global warming since sometime last century, the USCRN data confirm this ongoing stagnation in the United States, also."

"During the last decade, a longer than usual solar minimum cycle, several volcanic eruptions, and relatively low amounts of water vapor in the stratosphere may have helped cool the atmosphere temporarily. But recent research suggests that the Earth’s natural climate variability—natural, short-term fluctuations in the climate system that occur on a year-to-year basis or longer—may have played the most pivotal role of all by transferring excess heat from the Earth’s surface into the deep ocean."

So. A host of other variables, all beyond the control of humans, have accounted for climate change over the last decade. Fascinating.

Last edited 7/8/2014 2:55 PM by ctd74

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Posted: 7/8/2014 2:55 PM

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ctd74 wrote: And those other variables, that are totally out of the control of humans, could never have contributed, or been the sole cause, of increases in temerature that global warming alarmists (AKA Warmers or profiteers) point to as the trend that we should use to dismantle our economy to stop...
highVOLtage wrote: "The US land mass takes up about 1.9% of the Earth's surface."

And all land takes up about 29% of the earth's surface. But, anyway, rather than argue that we're in a smallish bubble it might be more logical to agree that:
"the USCRN data are entirely consistent with – and indeed lend additional evidentiary support for – the global warming stagnation of the past 17-plus years. While objective temperature data show there has been no global warming since sometime last century, the USCRN data confirm this ongoing stagnation in the United States, also."

"During the last decade, a longer than usual solar minimum cycle, several volcanic eruptions, and relatively low amounts of water vapor in the stratosphere may have helped cool the atmosphere temporarily. But recent research suggests that the Earth’s natural climate variability—natural, short-term fluctuations in the climate system that occur on a year-to-year basis or longer—may have played the most pivotal role of all by transferring excess heat from the Earth’s surface into the deep ocean."

So. A host of other variables, all beyond the control of humans, have accounted for climate change over the last decade. Fascinating.
They are causes in small fluctuations of short term trends.  But the long term trend over the past 100 years is pretty undeniable.  Carbon emissions up, average global temperature up.
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