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ATexasVol wrote this in another post the other day. A great

Posted: 5/25/2014 10:15 AM

ATexasVol wrote this in another post the other day. A great 


Description of the federal government in my opinion. Do you agree or disagree with it? If so, what should be done about it? What can be done about it? Do you think there is a Libertarian party coming to a government near you?

His quote.....

"The federal government has become a Frankenstein. It is self-aware and has broken the chains that used to restrain it. It is on the loose and is dangerous. Don't speak ill of it or plan to restrain it or it will turn on you. It has an all-consuming need for more power, and will walk all over anyone that gets in its way.

It no longer serves the American people."


My take is yes, that a quickly growing political movement is under way, and that it's roots are in communities across America. I think that people are completely fed up with where we are today, fed up with both parties. Both will pivot to try to take the movement into their party, but, for it to be truly successful, they have to fail in that attempt.

What say you?
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Posted: 5/25/2014 11:31 AM

Y a w n . . . 


Just another Limbaugh wannabe spouting the same stuff we've heard ad nauseum since the Regain Revolution in the  80's.

The good news is there's another Reagan Revolution afoot.  And this one's got legs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7INIhD9P0Pw
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Posted: 5/25/2014 11:36 AM

Re: Y a w n . . . 



fuzzynavol wrote: Just another Limbaugh wannabe spouting the same stuff we've heard ad nauseum since the Regain Revolution in the  80's.

The good news is there's another Reagan Revolution afoot.  And this one's got legs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7INIhD9P0Pw
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Posted: 5/25/2014 12:45 PM

Now, now, don't derail the post 


I would really like to get people's opinion on it, including yours!
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Posted: 5/25/2014 12:52 PM

Re: ATexasVol wrote this in another post the other day. A great 


Well, with the IRS scandal we have certainly taken a new turn. Can't say this was federal police or military acting over zealously in the name of national defense. This was pure politics to help the party currently in power. Why the framers warned about centralized power.

And now a chief executive who picks what laws, what parts of law, and when to execute laws. With no Congressional oversight or guidance. A pox on both them.
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Posted: 5/25/2014 1:39 PM

Alright, alright... 


The problem with the federal government is that, like everything with with so much money and power, it is corrupt at the core.  Combine that with partisan gridlock and you've got a dysfunctional, ineffective mess.  

The only prescription is to shred the Constitution and start over.
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Posted: 5/25/2014 2:02 PM

Re: Mission accomplished 



fuzzynavol wrote: 

The only prescription is to shred the Constitution and start over.
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Posted: 5/25/2014 2:07 PM

Re: Alright, alright... 



fuzzynavol wrote: The problem with the federal government is that, like everything with with so much money and power, it is corrupt at the core.  Combine that with partisan gridlock and you've got a dysfunctional, ineffective mess.  

The only prescription is to shred the Constitution and start over.
The problem is the Constitution has not been adhered to.  That's the problem.  Corrupt judges.  Lazy electorate.  Irresponsible politicians.
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Posted: 5/25/2014 2:41 PM

Not Just Judges 


We now have the most politicized DOJ in history that selectively chooses what laws it wishes to enforce and what law it wishes to ignore.
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Posted: 5/25/2014 3:43 PM

Re: Alright, alright... 



fuzzynavol wrote: The problem with the federal government is that, like everything with with so much money and power, it is corrupt at the core.  Combine that with partisan gridlock and you've got a dysfunctional, ineffective mess.  

The only prescription is to shred the Constitution and start over.
With the corrupt players and brokers of the dysfunctional, ineffective mess being the ones to rewrite it...

Yep.  That's the ticket.  crazy

rocketcityvol said it correctly...  there is no problem with the Constitution itself... the problem is that the Constitution has not been adhered to.
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Posted: 5/25/2014 4:25 PM

Re: ATexasVol wrote this in another post the other day. A great 



Nate924 wrote: Description of the federal government in my opinion. Do you agree or disagree with it? If so, what should be done about it? What can be done about it? Do you think there is a Libertarian party coming to a government near you?

His quote.....

"The federal government has become a Frankenstein. It is self-aware and has broken the chains that used to restrain it. It is on the loose and is dangerous. Don't speak ill of it or plan to restrain it or it will turn on you. It has an all-consuming need for more power, and will walk all over anyone that gets in its way.

It no longer serves the American people."


My take is yes, that a quickly growing political movement is under way, and that it's roots are in communities across America. I think that people are completely fed up with where we are today, fed up with both parties. Both will pivot to try to take the movement into their party, but, for it to be truly successful, they have to fail in that attempt.

What say you?

I don't agree with the characterization, to answer that question. 

In regard to a grass roots movement, I don't see it.   On this board, the big concerns are mostly about over-stepping constitutional limits and a "Frankenstein" vision of the federal government, as articulated by ATexasVol. But I don't think those views are widely shared. Rather, I think the big concerns are over the inefficiency and waste  of a sprawling bureaucracy. I don't think people are jumping on board with the idea of getting rid of Social Security and Medicare, for example, because they are unconstitutional, but I do think you'd find a widespread feeling that they all could be run more efficiently.
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Posted: 5/25/2014 4:38 PM

Question 


Does that mean you're comfortable with the IRS targeting people and groups based on their political beliefs or the DOJ deciding which laws they will and will not enforce based on the political agenda of the president?
One year ago I would have agreed with your assessment but with scandal after scandal ( Benghazi, VA, IRS, NSA) coming from this White House I think many people are beginning to wonder if the present government is
either completely incompetent or completely corrupt... or both.
This president has shined a light on the worst case scenario of what a completely unqualified and corrupt president can do to this government..

Last edited 5/25/2014 4:42 PM by roadvol

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Posted: 5/25/2014 4:48 PM

Re: Question 


My response Nate's question doesn't imply that I'm comfortable with every specific thing that the federal government, its officials, and its employees.


roadvol wrote: Does that mean you're comfortable with the IRS targeting people and groups based on their political beliefs or the DOJ deciding which laws they will and will not enforce based on the political agenda of the president?
One year ago I would have agreed with your assessment but with scandal after scandal ( Benghazi, VA, IRS, NSA) coming from this White House I think many people are beginning to wonder if the present government is
either completely incompetent or completely corrupt... or both.
This president has shined a light on the worst case scenario of what a completely unqualified and corrupt president can do to this government..
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Posted: 5/25/2014 5:11 PM

Good Job As Usual.. 


..of avoiding the question,
Let me rephrase.
I think we can all agree if the electorate loses complete trust in their government it could cause a political groundswell for change.
Based on the current and growing scandals in this administration are you losing confidence in this administration's ability to run a competent and relatively corruption free government?
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Posted: 5/25/2014 5:25 PM

Re: ATexasVol wrote this in another post the other day. A great 


The Federal government is out of control,
but I have not seen any substantial movement
to change it.
All the Tea Party has done is kick an already
down Republican Party.
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Posted: 5/25/2014 5:25 PM

Well, I think there is. I haven't come across 


Anyone in the past few months that thinks fixing this thing is merely merely addressing inefficiency and waste. Most people I speak with thinks there needs to be a general housecleaning. I guess we will see what manifests itself come November.
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Posted: 5/25/2014 5:27 PM

Would have to agree with you except 


For shredding the constitution. I would settle for enforcing a much stricter interpretation of it, to limit the abuse of power we have seen since Woodrow Wilson.
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Posted: 5/25/2014 5:35 PM

Re: ATexasVol wrote this in another post the other day. A great 


Although the T-Party lost most of the recent primaries they forced most of the establishment candidates to the right which is a good thing. 
We are getting more conservative and electable candidates as a result.
The Democrat Party is not at all happy with the results of the recent primaries
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Posted: 5/25/2014 6:33 PM

Re: Would have to agree with you except 



Nate924 wrote: For shredding the constitution. I would settle for enforcing a much stricter interpretation of it, to limit the abuse of power we have seen since Woodrow Wilson.
Indeed! The Constitution is the ONLY thing stopping them from usurping what rights we have left.
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Posted: 5/25/2014 8:48 PM

Re: Well, I think there is. I haven't come across 



Nate924 wrote: Anyone in the past few months that thinks fixing this thing is merely merely addressing inefficiency and waste. Most people I speak with thinks there needs to be a general housecleaning. I guess we will see what manifests itself come November.

I agree with the idea that most people who pay any attention would like to see some housecleaning, but when it comes to what a "clean house" would look like, regardless of which branch of the federal government we're talking about, that's another story.

I didn't mean to imply that on every issue, people think that inefficiency and waste are the problem. I was thinking of the programs that are generally popular, like social security and Medicare. Many of you guys here see them as government over-reach, but I don't think most people see it that way. Not that they don't have complaints, but the complaints are more likely inefficiency and waste, not a Frankenstenian monster. 

When it comes to other issues, like NSA surveillance, foreign policy, etc., that's another story.

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