Jimmy Raye is gone but Johnson isn't any different. Either Singletary is too stubborn to come into this century and won't let Johnson open it up or Johnson is just another idiot OC in a line of previous idiots.

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Johnson describes his ultimate offense this way: "I want to run a balanced, efficient, running offense that has all the core run-action passes, naked bootlegs, keeps, has the ability to spread you out when that dictates, and then be efficient on third-down and a highly explosive red-zone offense."

No run action passes, no naked bootlegs and still spouts the inept running philosophy that Sing believes in as "a balanced, efficient, running offense", what a crock!

This team is going nowhere extremely fast and the front office needs to eviscerate the coaching, bleed it out and start anew as soon as possible. They should be actively searching for replacements at this very moment.

If any more time is wasted then some talent on this team will be no use to the team by the time they turn it around and the process will have to start over.

rut of predictability

Have you ever coordinated an offense at any level above youth football?

Serious question ... not a smack in the face.

dea49 wrote: Jimmy Raye is gone but Johnson isn't any different. Either Singletary is too stubborn to come into this century and won't let Johnson open it up or Johnson is just another idiot OC in a line of previous idiots.

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Johnson describes his ultimate offense this way: "I want to run a balanced, efficient, running offense that has all the core run-action passes, naked bootlegs, keeps, has the ability to spread you out when that dictates, and then be efficient on third-down and a highly explosive red-zone offense."

No run action passes, no naked bootlegs and still spouts the inept running philosophy that Sing believes in as "a balanced, efficient, running offense", what a crock!

This team is going nowhere extremely fast and the front office needs to eviscerate the coaching, bleed it out and start anew as soon as possible. They should be actively searching for replacements at this very moment.

If any more time is wasted then some talent on this team will be no use to the team by the time they turn it around and the process will have to start over.

rut of predictability

dea49 wrote: Jimmy Raye is gone but Johnson isn't any different.

LINK

Eric Branch has been doing a pretty good job since Barber stepped down. In the above link, he details some of the changes that have occurred since Mike Johnson took over.

Branch is doing a good job...good article

This article kind of emulates the point that I was trying to make when I asked DEA if he had ever planned or coordinated an offense.  I know many of the people who frequent these forums have played football at various levels of football, from youth football to collegiately, but as Mike Singletary has proven, just playing football isn't enough to understand how to coordinate and "X & O" something.

I personally as a defensive coordinator spend every day of the week looking and running scenarios through my mind and at my coaches who help me.  We spend hours upon hours upon hours trying to account for every possible scenario, but you cannot account for player mistakes or just great plays by players.

To quote Mike Tyson, "Everyone has a game plan until they get hit in the mouth."  I tell my kids that all the time.  Game Plans are great when everything goes just like you planned it, but when you're off the script, its time to just wing it.   For Example, two weeks ago we played a team that was double tight power I formation.  We shut them down for the most part but still gave up 28 points.  Every touchdown they scored was scored either on a big play or shortly after a big play.  They had 4 plays of greater then 40 yards, and every play that was greater then 40 yards included at a minimum of 2 missed tackles / assignments.

In this instance is it bag game planning or bad execution?  My point with this rather long winded post is we don't really know what the plans are and how the blocking schemes are supposed to be executed.  It could be bad calls, I'm not eliminating that, but what I'm saying is if it was schemed one way and you get a different read or a different player in a different spot that could be the small difference between success and failure.

NinerNation07 wrote:

dea49 wrote: Jimmy Raye is gone but Johnson isn't any different.

LINK

Eric Branch has been doing a pretty good job since Barber stepped down. In the above link, he details some of the changes that have occurred since Mike Johnson took over.

High School level but even we can evaluate talent and design the game plan to fit. Also if something isn't working especially over 5 games.... WE CHANGE IT!

Over the years we have had QB's that could pass with good receivers and we tailored or team toward more passing. Other years our OL and RB's were superior and we relied on the running game.

We have even faced adversity at which our featured player went down and we had to change in the middle of a season. We had the intelligence and capability why not the Niners?

plannb23 wrote: Have you ever coordinated an offense at any level above youth football?

Serious question ... not a smack in the face.

You can game plan all you want but if you can't block anyone or stop a game changer (Derrick Thomas, Reggie White) it doesn't really matter at times.

I think we're going through some serious growing pains with the O-Line and everybody's suffering.  Hope they can gell together soon.

You have changed your entire offensive scheme right in the middle of the season?  Because that's what we as fans are asking the 49ers to do.  I'm sorry but I know that at the collegiate level and at the High School level you cannot just change your entire offense mid-stream.  Not with any success you can't. 

Modify ... sure. ... but not an entire paradigm shift.

dea49 wrote: High School level but even we can evaluate talent and design the game plan to fit. Also if something isn't working especially over 5 games.... WE CHANGE IT!

Understandable but you're talking about players who are more interchangeable then at the professional level.  Even at the collegiate level its not hot swapping players.

dea49 wrote: We have even faced adversity at which our featured player went down and we had to change in the middle of a season. We had the intelligence and capability why not the Niners?

Intelligence and capability to overcome what?  They have their best players on the field and they're just not getting it done.  I don't care what level you're at.  When you are putting your best players on the field and not getting it done, there is nothing you can do about it.

dea49 wrote: We have even faced adversity at which our featured player went down and we had to change in the middle of a season. We had the intelligence and capability why not the Niners?

We do not need to change the whole offensive scheme to be successful this season, we just have to stop doing this garbage:

Warning: Do not continue reading if you are drowsy. The following list chronicles the Niners' first offensive plays of the game during the 2010 season:

 

Week 1: Frank Gore up the middle to SEA 25 for 4 yards.

Week 2: Frank Gore up the middle to SF 11 for 1 yard.

Week 3: Frank Gore up the middle to SF 18 for 5 yards.

Week 4: Frank Gore up the middle to SF 13 for 1 yard.

Week 5: Frank Gore right tackle to PHI 47 for 4 yards.

 

Unconscious on your keyboard? Drooling on your Droid? C'mon, wake up. This list chronicles the Niners' first eight first down-plays against the Eagles on Sunday night:

 

1-10-SF 49: Frank Gore right tackle for 4 yards.

1-10-PHI 38: Frank Gore left end for -4 yards.

1-10-PHI 17: Frank Gore up the middle for 1 yard.

1-5-PHI 5: Frank Gore up the middle for -2 yards.

1-10-SF 26: Frank Gore left guard for 1 yard.

1-10-SF 42: Frank Gore right guard for 3 yards (fumbles).

1-10-SF 29: Frank Gore right tackle for 2 yards.

1-10-PHI 45: Frank Gore up the middle for no gain.

The offense is changing. Just look at the opening possession's in each of Johnson's first 2 games, Raye went 19 games without 1 TD on the first possession. As Johnson said-

"We are evolving into what we want to become," Johnson said. "The first week you can't change everything and do everything that you want to do or it's a total disruption to the offensive team. I think as we go forward, I think there will be an evolution into the type of offense that I want to run."

You don't just take over the offense on the fly and change everything about it in a week or two. The teams is passing on roughly 4% more of its plays in Johnson's first 2 games and Smith is averaging 4.5 more yards per game passing.

plannb23 wrote: This article kind of emulates the point that I was trying to make when I asked DEA if he had ever planned or coordinated an offense.  I know many of the people who frequent these forums have played football at various levels of football, from youth football to collegiately, but as Mike Singletary has proven, just playing football isn't enough to understand how to coordinate and "X & O" something.

I personally as a defensive coordinator spend every day of the week looking and running scenarios through my mind and at my coaches who help me.  We spend hours upon hours upon hours trying to account for every possible scenario, but you cannot account for player mistakes or just great plays by players.

To quote Mike Tyson, "Everyone has a game plan until they get hit in the mouth."  I tell my kids that all the time.  Game Plans are great when everything goes just like you planned it, but when you're off the script, its time to just wing it.   For Example, two weeks ago we played a team that was double tight power I formation.  We shut them down for the most part but still gave up 28 points.  Every touchdown they scored was scored either on a big play or shortly after a big play.  They had 4 plays of greater then 40 yards, and every play that was greater then 40 yards included at a minimum of 2 missed tackles / assignments.

In this instance is it bag game planning or bad execution?  My point with this rather long winded post is we don't really know what the plans are and how the blocking schemes are supposed to be executed.  It could be bad calls, I'm not eliminating that, but what I'm saying is if it was schemed one way and you get a different read or a different player in a different spot that could be the small difference between success and failure.

NinerNation07 wrote:

dea49 wrote: Jimmy Raye is gone but Johnson isn't any different.

LINK

Eric Branch has been doing a pretty good job since Barber stepped down. In the above link, he details some of the changes that have occurred since Mike Johnson took over.

i see the losses as poor execution (players) which result in big plays and turnovers for the other team.

Every game is a playoff game now, it will be a rough climb. If they work really hard, I truly believe they can conquer that Space Mountain.

hummbabybear wrote: Every game is a playoff game now, it will be a rough climb. If they work really hard, I truly believe they can conquer that Space Mountain.

Exactly, just get that big momentum ball rolling

11-5 definitely equals playoffs but this team is not winning 11 in a row
10-6 I feel is also a sure bet for the playoffs but 10-1 is a lot to ask for
9-7  I think would win the division and should be our goal IMO, 9-2 is tough but not impossible for this team
8-8  I think tie breakers might come into play, I could see AZ or Seattle reaching this mark.

The first 5 losses don't take away from the overall talent on this team, only injuries can do that. The first win is coming in 2 days, feels good

Chonglover wrote: I actually think Frank Gore is hurting this team. We do not have the QB to be a passing team and Frank Gore is NOT a pounder. He is overrated change of pace back who likes to fumble and trip over his feet once in a while. Best if we get a new QB and a CJ Spiller type of back and start moving into the 2010 type of football and not be dinasaurs run run pass

Chonglover wrote: I actually think Frank Gore is hurting this team. We do not have the QB to be a passing team and Frank Gore is NOT a pounder. He is overrated change of pace back who likes to fumble and trip over his feet once in a while.

This is all ridiculous except for the fact that he fumbles too much. Unfortunately it will probably be a problem for the rest of his career because if he can't fix the problem after 5 years in the league, whats to suggest he will take care of the rock as he leaves his prime age as a RB. Gore is easily one of our top 3 players along with Willis and Davis. Crabtree has what it takes to make it a foursome. I just wish he would stop fumbling, he does have some elite company though. Here's a list of fumbles out of all touches (rushing and receiving) from some backs in the NFL.

R Williams 1.9%
A Peterson 1.8
Gore  1.7%
Jacobs 1.5%
Charles 1.3
Forte 1.1%
S Jackson 1%
Turner     1%
Brown 1%
T Jones .9%
Benson .8%
C Johnson     .8%
Tomlinson .8%
Mendenhall .8%
D Williams .5%
Addai .4%

Note that Addai may not be the best at not fumbling, I didn't check the whole league. I remember there was some talk about R Williams having small hands when he was drafted so that explains all his fumbles. I have heard people explain Peterson's fumbles as being the result of his violent running style, staying on his feet to give extra defenders a chance to knock the ball loose. What's the primary reason for Gore fumbling so often compared to some of his peers?

Alex Smith & Frank Gore are the 2 players that have the ball the most.  If Gore can control his fumbling, that would cut down on the turnovers.  I am hoping we get to see a rotation with Anthony Dixon.  I know he is perhaps not up to speed on blitz pick ups but he showed better running skills than Coffee.

I feel Dixon should be given a few more snaps.  This could give the formation a different dynamic.   Also, having Westbrook on the sideline is just like having a great showcase that you don't want to keep clean.  It's not like he's a rookie who has never seen an NFL defense!

There is this cloud of mystery hanging over Westbrook.  Perhaps I am imagining things!  I feel like this is Brandon Jones & Jason Hill all over again.  Different situations but same feel.  Can't explain it.