It just dawned upon me that this former 49er offensive coordinator has quietly had a lot of success in Philadelphia the last few years. He is a thinker, not an emotional muscle head. He is a quarterback friendly coach, not a defensive, linebacker friendly coach. He is forward thinking, yet grounded in the fundamentals of success taught by Bill Walsh, rather than backward/throwback thinking, "tough guy wins" in the mold of Mike Ditka.

He coordinated one of the best offenses in NFL history in 1998 with our niners, then brought Jeff Garcia back into prominence with the Eagles, and now he has Michael Vick playing the best of his career.



He is currently connected to Kevin Kolb, and if he is head coach he might pull the trigger to trade for him (solving the Alex Smith problem).



He would bring us back to our identity, and bring back a WINNING strategy.





Yes, he did bad in Detroit, but so did Mooch, and so would ANYONE who was coach for Millen's team.



I think Mornhinweg is the answer my fellow 49er fans. His offense is still tearing up the NFL, and he would DEFINITELY be a MASSIVE upgrade over Singletary.




Who likes this guy besides me?

If Sing gets fired here's the names I would like to be considered:

Gruden
Cowher
Harbaugh
Dungy
Johnson (I want to see how he handles the offense, probably a slim chance though)
I like Marty but he's just too old IMO, may be wrong to discriminate on age but its my list so I'm going to

As far as Mornhinweg, here's an exert from the all knowing- Wikipedia

The most notable moment in Mornhinweg's coaching history was his decision, coaching Detroit, to kick after winning an overtime coin toss. Mornhinweg felt that having the wind in his favor was more important for his Lions to win the game against the Chicago Bears, despite having as his kicker Jason Hanson, who hit a then-NCAA record 62-yard field goal in his college days at Washington State University. He elected to kick and on the Bears opening drive, Chicago scored a field goal. Mornhinweg's Lions went on to become 3-13 after that game, and prompted fed-up Lions fans to refer to the coach as "Marty Moron-weg".

He's only 48.  I'm to lazy to look it up but I'm going to say that is average or maybe even a little under in the NFL. 

questfor6 wrote: If Sing gets fired here's the names I would like to be considered:

Gruden
Cowher
Harbaugh
Dungy
Johnson (I want to see how he handles the offense, probably a slim chance though)
I like Marty but he's just too old IMO, may be wrong to discriminate on age but its my list so I'm going to

As far as Mornhinweg, here's an exert from the all knowing- Wikipedia

The most notable moment in Mornhinweg's coaching history was his decision, coaching Detroit, to kick after winning an overtime coin toss. Mornhinweg felt that having the wind in his favor was more important for his Lions to win the game against the Chicago Bears, despite having as his kicker Jason Hanson, who hit a then-NCAA record 62-yard field goal in his college days at Washington State University. He elected to kick and on the Bears opening drive, Chicago scored a field goal. Mornhinweg's Lions went on to become 3-13 after that game, and prompted fed-up Lions fans to refer to the coach as "Marty Moron-weg".

please tell me this is a joke. no way would i want this guy. he's not head coach material.

if we're looking for another HC, for goodness sake let us PLEASE get a guy who has already had success. gruden is out there- why would we pass him over for a moron like marty? (sorry that's simply showing how much i don't want him and not meant as a slight to your suggestion)

cowher? doubt he'd be interested in us but gruden probably would. and there's probably a number of others i'd consider too. but gruden would be my #1 as he has ties to the area and a history with the team. he should be target #1 IMO.

I don't like him at all as a Head Coach.  If we get rid of Singletary I do not want to bring in someone who hasn't proven that they can win.

94niners wrote: Who likes this guy besides me?

questfor6 wrote: If Sing gets fired here's the names I would like to be considered:

Gruden
I want Gruden, he would top my list.

Cowher
He wants to stay on the East coast...it'd take an obscene amount of money to move hm here...and on top of that, I'm not sure I'd even want him.

Harbaugh
I've thought about him too, and while he is an interesting prospect, the lack of NFL experience worries me...but if Gruden wasn't an option, I'd absolutely consider him.

Dungy
I'm not a fan of Dungy. If he can win only one SB with Peyton Manning as his QB...yikes, no, I don't want him, or his holier-than-thou personality.

Johnson (I want to see how he handles the offense, probably a slim chance though)
After the Singletary debacle, I doubt it would even be considered. Regardless of how well he may do, I'd never consider him for a HC job at this point.

49ersD wrote: He's only 48.  I'm to lazy to look it up but I'm going to say that is average or maybe even a little under in the NFL. 

questfor6 wrote: If Sing gets fired here's the names I would like to be considered:

Gruden
Cowher
Harbaugh
Dungy
Johnson (I want to see how he handles the offense, probably a slim chance though)
I like Marty but he's just too old IMO, may be wrong to discriminate on age but its my list so I'm going to

As far as Mornhinweg, here's an exert from the all knowing- Wikipedia

The most notable moment in Mornhinweg's coaching history was his decision, coaching Detroit, to kick after winning an overtime coin toss. Mornhinweg felt that having the wind in his favor was more important for his Lions to win the game against the Chicago Bears, despite having as his kicker Jason Hanson, who hit a then-NCAA record 62-yard field goal in his college days at Washington State University. He elected to kick and on the Bears opening drive, Chicago scored a field goal. Mornhinweg's Lions went on to become 3-13 after that game, and prompted fed-up Lions fans to refer to the coach as "Marty Moron-weg".

Talking about the other Marty- Schottenheimer. I was trying to get out of spelling his last name without looking it up. I know Mornhingweg isn't too old, I just don't want him as HC, I would take him as OC though FWIW.

NN- I agree Gruden is probably option #1 though I think Harbaugh is intriguing following in Walsh' s footsteps at Stanford. After the Erickson fiasco though it would probably be best to go after someone who has proven themselves at the NFL level. I like Cowher but I agree he is not coming to the West Coast.  I put Johnson in there because unlike Sing, he will have been in coaching for a while and have experience as a coordinator. He is a long shot though. As for Dungy, I wouldn't complain about a coach that has a career regular season coaching record 70 games above .500 (139-69) His .668 winning % is better than Walsh at .609 and Belichick at .617 Am I suggesting Dungy is a better coach than those two? Of course not, but I do think he would be an acceptable replacement for Sing.

I just feel like Dungy padded his stats with Manning. For instance, do we all consider Jim Caldwell to be a great HC? In his first year the Colts went to the SB. Was that because of the coach, or was it because of a surefire HoF QB running a well-oiled machine? I wouldn't get excited about Dungy, I think he should be thanking Manning for his career success.

FYI, I'm not saying that Dungy is a no-talent hack, but I just don't think that highly of the guy.

I think Dungy is a more skilled Head Coach then you're really giving him credit for, but my issue with him is that he is a Tampa 2 / 4 - 3 cover 2 guy and I really don't want a bend but don't break defense.  I'd like to see us being aggressive on both sides of the ball.  Something like a Dick LeBeau / Mike Martz type of combination.

NinerNation07 wrote: I just feel like Dungy padded his stats with Manning. For instance, do we all consider Jim Caldwell to be a great HC? In his first year the Colts went to the SB. Was that because of the coach, or was it because of a surefire HoF QB running a well-oiled machine? I wouldn't get excited about Dungy, I think he should be thanking Manning for his career success.

FYI, I'm not saying that Dungy is a no-talent hack, but I just don't think that highly of the guy.

plannb23 wrote: I think Dungy is a more skilled Head Coach then you're really giving him credit for, but my issue with him is that he is a Tampa 2 / 4 - 3 cover 2 guy and I really don't want a bend but don't break defense.  I'd like to see us being aggressive on both sides of the ball.  Something like a Dick LeBeau / Mike Martz type of combination.

I don't know, I mean, yes, he did build the Tampa team that Gruden won the SB with, but Dungy was mainly fired for running an offense that was  too conservative...he's like Marty Schottenheimer.

When he went to the Colts, Manning had already been there for four years, and he left the offensive system in place. I don't think the success of the Colts had so much to do with him as it did with Peyton Manning, and a consistent system and OC(who wasn't an idiot). Still, even with consistency, and one of the greatest QB's ever, the Colts only won the SB once...I don't think Dungy maximized the talent that he had. I don't think he's all that special...I think he lucked out.

I don't see how Gruden is any better than Dungy and I don't want either. I won't object, but I know we won't go anywhere with them. It would be better than where we are now. What I want is someone who will be good rather than one who used to be good. Who that person is, I wouldn't know. The hungrier that coach is in wanting to win, the better off we should be.

if Sing is replaced call Stanford and talk to Harbaugh although I think Mich. is his dream job

Harbaugh, Billick and Gruden in that order.  If it's Gruden then I don't have to listen to his MNF lovefest for every player currently on a NFL roster, and that is a win-win.

uncleloggins wrote: Harbaugh, Billick and Gruden in that order.  If it's Gruden then I don't have to listen to his MNF lovefest for every player currently on a NFL roster, and that is a win-win.

that's funny

Im probably the only one here who thinks this, but I think Gruden is overrated as a head coach. Everyone just remembers the Super Bowl he won (with the team Dungy built, by the way) and dont remember the last couple years of his tenure where his team just fell apart. I also think Monte Kiffin had as much to do with their success as Gruden did.

Maybe its just my hatred for him over the stupid things he says on MNF and in his "Quarterback Camp" , but I just don't like him and I think we can do better.

we can definitely do better than mornhinweg though, that much i guarantee you. he proved in detroit that he's not nfl head coaching quality. they had a bad team but he was an awful coach.

No head coach has ever won SBs with two different teams...

If Singletary gets fired, I would love an up and comer. Harbaugh would be first but I'm pretty sure he's enjoying his time at Stanford.

Steve Sarkisian would be next, but again, enjoying his time at Washington.

David Lee, the QB coach in Miami, might not be a bad choice.

Rick Dennison might be a intriguing choice as well. Sure got the Texans going.

i want a guy who is a proven head coach, preferrably at the nfl level. i'd consider someone like harbaugh because he's at least a successful HC at the collegiate level. but preferrably a quality, proven nfl winner.

i don't think there's any way we can or will go with someone with no HC experience. not after the last couple of HCs we've suffered through, who had no HC experience.

Another guy I would take as HC (would he come back?) is Steve Mariucci. We have not had a decent HC since he got fired. All he did was win the division twice in his 6 seasons, make the playoffs 4 times, compile a 57-39 regular season record and then get fired, brilliant move Dorks!

It would take a page right out of the Warriors book. For those of you that follow them you know that Don Nelson took the Warriors to the playoffs in 94, got fired the season after (same as Mariucci) and then the Warriors were terrible for years after (same as 49ers) until Nelson returned as coach and the Warriors made the playoffs in his first season back. The only difference is Steve is still young and he can't be blamed for the 49ers downfall. Nelson can because of the Weber fiasco but it was mainly on Cohan who allowed Weber to be traded. So in each instance its inept ownership that led to bad times.

i don't see how his ridiculously conservative approach would benefit this team either. let's not overlook the fact that he inherited an extremely talented team.

no thanks.

Yes he had a talented team but as Sing is showing us, you still need a talented HC or talented players are useless. Mooch was HC 97-02

97- tied 5 in PPG at 23.4
98- 3rd at 29.9
99- 22nd at 18.4
00- tied 6 at 24.2
01- 3rd at 25.6
02- tied 7 at 22.9

If a conservative approach gives a top 7 scoring offense for 5 out of 6 years then count me as someone who would be happy with a conservative approach.

i don't think mooch would be interested in returning to us after we dumped him, for one. and for 2- i think we should set our sights on better candidates with a fresh approach on the game.

Did you know that Mike Shanahan made that exact same call (I think it was against Buffalo)?

Is Shanahan a moron?

questfor6 wrote: If Sing gets fired here's the names I would like to be considered:

Gruden
Cowher
Harbaugh
Dungy
Johnson (I want to see how he handles the offense, probably a slim chance though)
I like Marty but he's just too old IMO, may be wrong to discriminate on age but its my list so I'm going to

As far as Mornhinweg, here's an exert from the all knowing- Wikipedia

The most notable moment in Mornhinweg's coaching history was his decision, coaching Detroit, to kick after winning an overtime coin toss. Mornhinweg felt that having the wind in his favor was more important for his Lions to win the game against the Chicago Bears, despite having as his kicker Jason Hanson, who hit a then-NCAA record 62-yard field goal in his college days at Washington State University. He elected to kick and on the Bears opening drive, Chicago scored a field goal. Mornhinweg's Lions went on to become 3-13 after that game, and prompted fed-up Lions fans to refer to the coach as "Marty Moron-weg".

After how badly he did in Detroit (like Marty), why would you want him anyway?

higherwarrior wrote: i don't think mooch would be interested in returning to us after we dumped him, for one. and for 2- i think we should set our sights on better candidates with a fresh approach on the game.

Unless of course, Millen "the genius" had something to do with both doing terrible...



But all I know is I want Sing out and the person to replace him to be an OFFENSIVE minded coach, not a 4-yards-cloud of dust coach (like Gruden, who once claimed the perfect offensive play was a 4 yard run).

Higher doesn't want him, I was the one that said I would be interested in him returning if a change is going to be made. ( agree it won't happen though) To answer your other question, I don't think Shanahan is a more-on. I don't think Mornhinweg is one either, I just don't want him as a HC. I want a proven NFL HC unless its a guy like Harbaugh who looks ready to take his skills to the next level.

94niners wrote: After how badly he did in Detroit (like Marty), why would you want him anyway?

higherwarrior wrote: i don't think mooch would be interested in returning to us after we dumped him, for one. and for 2- i think we should set our sights on better candidates with a fresh approach on the game.

94niners wrote: After how badly he did in Detroit (like Marty), why would you want him anyway?

higherwarrior wrote: i don't think mooch would be interested in returning to us after we dumped him, for one. and for 2- i think we should set our sights on better candidates with a fresh approach on the game.

Unless of course, Millen "the genius" had something to do with both doing terrible...



But all I know is I want Sing out and the person to replace him to be an OFFENSIVE minded coach, not a 4-yards-cloud of dust coach (like Gruden, who once claimed the perfect offensive play was a 4 yard run).

who is an offensive minded coach?

The only problem I had with Mooch was the fact SOMETIMES he would play not to lose and as we know you can't do that in the NFL. A couple of his teams should have been in the SuperBowl, but got completely screwed by the officials. I still long for the days when other teams would accuse us of running up the score on them. Of course we weren't. That was just Niners football. The first 25 to 30 plays were scripted and teams had a hard time doing anything against them, which led to high scoring games for us and desperation mode for the other team, meaning more passing, meaning more turnovers for them and defensive scoring for us.

read my posts- i most definitely do NOT want mooch or morninweg as our coach.

94niners wrote: After how badly he did in Detroit (like Marty), why would you want him anyway?

higherwarrior wrote: i don't think mooch would be interested in returning to us after we dumped him, for one. and for 2- i think we should set our sights on better candidates with a fresh approach on the game.

Unless of course, Millen "the genius" had something to do with both doing terrible...



But all I know is I want Sing out and the person to replace him to be an OFFENSIVE minded coach, not a 4-yards-cloud of dust coach (like Gruden, who once claimed the perfect offensive play was a 4 yard run).

Well in either case, I firmly believe that either would be an upgrade over Singletary. As would Gruden. Gruden carries the plus that he'd be able to motivate like Singletary, but isn't a Simpletary  either.

higherwarrior wrote: read my posts- i most definitely do NOT want mooch or morninweg as our coach.

94niners wrote: After how badly he did in Detroit (like Marty), why would you want him anyway?

higherwarrior wrote: i don't think mooch would be interested in returning to us after we dumped him, for one. and for 2- i think we should set our sights on better candidates with a fresh approach on the game.

Unless of course, Millen "the genius" had something to do with both doing terrible...



But all I know is I want Sing out and the person to replace him to be an OFFENSIVE minded coach, not a 4-yards-cloud of dust coach (like Gruden, who once claimed the perfect offensive play was a 4 yard run).

In case you didn't see it, I posted profiles for coaching "prospects" in the draft talk section:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s...3&t=6548117