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Bears willing to trade back from the 20th pick....

Posted: 04/18/2013 4:29 PM

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Question to 49ers fans....The Bears are willing to trade back in the draft with the right offer, assuming that would be your 31st or 34th pick and whatever 2nd or 3rd round pick would equal the trade value. So the question is...who would have to be available at 20 that you would deem worth trading up for?
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Posted: 04/18/2013 4:31 PM

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Kenny Vaccaro or Tavon Austin.
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Posted: 04/18/2013 5:58 PM

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#31 and #74 seems about right.  Vacarro and Austin sounds about right.  I would add Lotulelei, and possibly Patterson.
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Posted: 04/18/2013 6:48 PM

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Carradine, maybe.  I don't think trading up that much makes a whole lot of sense, to be honest, because I don't think moving up to #20 nets a whole heck of a lot of difference in quality.  Moving up to the top fifteen is a different matter, but for number twenty, not really.
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Posted: 04/18/2013 7:22 PM

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soda wrote: Carradine, maybe.  I don't think trading up that much makes a whole lot of sense, to be honest, because I don't think moving up to #20 nets a whole heck of a lot of difference in quality.  Moving up to the top fifteen is a different matter, but for number twenty, not really.
Actually, you're probably right the more I think about it.  #20 isn't really that appealing.  It seems the truly elite players are few and most of them are OL, which isn't really a need for SF.   Lots of quality players between 30-93 and 49ers have 5 of those for the time being.  Though trading out or stockpiling picks for 2014 could be possible.

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Posted: 04/18/2013 8:02 PM

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My bet is that if someone they love falls to their "range" then they will move up for them. The way they moved up several spots for Davis a couple years ago. Unless there is a DL or Safety they are worried about missing out on. Thats why it would be so interesting to see how they grade the safeties, if they think Vaccaro is that far ahead of everyone else or not. Or if their DL grades are WAY different then what us experts have been projecting the last couple months. Who saw the Jenkins pick last year?

My nightmare scenario(and coincidentally what i think is going to happen) is that the draft will fall the way they think it will, and by the end of round 1, several QBs that have fallen will be available and parties will be calling to jump up and get ahead of the Chiefs. I will have drank through the entire first round and when they trade out of the pick im gonna be pissed.

And i will probably wake up the next day and have to be reminded that they traded out of the pick, and how pissed i was the night before.
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Posted: 04/18/2013 8:02 PM

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like I said, Carradine, maybe.  However, reading the tea leaves, I think Carradine to the Giants makes sense (don't they draft a pass rusher every year in round one?), so its probably the 18th pick the niners would have to get to, and that's too high for my blood.  Like I've said several times, I think trading out makes more sense than trading up or back (trading back is flimsy because the niners have so many picks as is, they don't really need to trade back for more).
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Posted: 04/18/2013 10:11 PM

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Unless they think Carradine is an amazing prospect, I can't see trading up for him. There should be other similarly interesting prospects where they're selecting, like Datone Jones and Jesse Williams.

I think this is one of the most talent-packed drafts in the first three or four rounds (but lacking the Luck/Griffin/Clowney type of monster prospects) I can recall, so this is a draft I'd like the 49ers to make as many top-100 picks as possible. If teams like Buffalo and Arizona are calling the 49ers wanting to move up to their #31 pick ahead of a possible second-round quarterback run, I think it would be pretty great to trade back and maybe get another top-100/120 pick.

That said, if the 49ers think someone like Vacarro or Carradine is can't-miss, by all means, trade up and get him. This business is all about picking winners.
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Posted: 04/18/2013 10:41 PM

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Given Baalke's comments about this year's draft, I don't think there are too many players the 49ers would move 'up' to get. I think it would really have to be someone they grade in the top-10 that drops (someone like a Star Loutulelei maybe?) I don't even know that they would necessarily feel Vaccaro was someone worth moving up for given the depth and quality of the safety position in this draft. Tavon Austin? Maybe, although I think there interest in him may have been due diligence (as they have apparently been scouting top WR prospect this year).

I definitely don't get the sense Tank Carradine would be one of those guys (granted, the 49ers picks often are not the player many feel they would be taking).

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Posted: 04/19/2013 7:12 AM

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I think the only way they'd trade up to 20, is if they want to secure Eric Reid.  I think Vaccaro, Austin, & Star will be gone.  And 20 would allow them to jump ahead of say the Bengals, St. Lous, & Green Bay who may also be looking Safety.

Also, I don't think Baalke's statements about "need-based" drafting or the comfort with the safeties on the roster, etc. can be taken as they won't draft a Safety high.  Its all just smoke & mirrors right now.

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Posted: 04/19/2013 7:36 AM

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IMO Reid wouldn't be worth #31 and #74, especially given the depth at the safety position in the draft this year.  Rather role the dice with Reid being available and have the extra third rounder.  Could always defeualt to Cyprien, Thomas, Swearinger, or Rambo.  Still leaves guys like Josh Evans and Duke Williams available in later rounds.   Hypothetically you get Reid but potentially give up a Cyprien/Kelce or Frederick comination or Jamar Taylor/Thomas or Swearinger combo or Datone Jones/Thomas or Swearinger combo by losing that first third rounder.  IMO Reid isn't far enough ahead of Cyprien or some of the other avaialble safeties to give up that added high third rounder for him.

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Posted: 04/19/2013 7:59 AM

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uncleloggins wrote:

IMO Reid wouldn't be worth #31 and #74, especially given the depth at the safety position in the draft this year.  Rather role the dice with Reid being available and have the extra third rounder.  Could always defeualt to Cyprien, Thomas, Swearinger, or Rambo.  Still leaves guys like Josh Evans and Duke Williams available in later rounds.   Hypothetically you get Reid but potentially give up a Cyprien/Kelce or Frederick comination or Jamar Taylor/Thomas or Swearinger combo or Datone Jones/Thomas or Swearinger combo by losing that first third rounder.  IMO Reid isn't far enough ahead of Cyprien or some of the other avaialble safeties to give up that added high third rounder for him.


I'm not saying they should do that, i'm saying if they REALLY like Reid, and THEY think he's worth it, then I could see that scenario playing out...
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Posted: 04/19/2013 8:03 AM

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I don't think Reid is worth the 31, let alone trading up to get him at the expense of another pick.  Not a fan of his.
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Posted: 04/19/2013 8:17 AM

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metfansrule wrote: I don't think Reid is worth the 31, let alone trading up to get him at the expense of another pick.  Not a fan of his.

Fair enough, I disagree.  But ultimately, it doesn't matter what you or I think...if the F.O. thinks he is a starting/future Pro Bowl player, they might want to jump up & get their guy.
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Posted: 04/19/2013 9:31 AM

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Again, I don't get any sense that they would be even thinking Reid is a guy to move up to get. The safety comment might be smoke and mirrors (although I think you've narrowed the comment and not read it in the context of his full interview), but if you look at everything he's said, I think he's hinted that he's perfectly happy staying where he is and letting the board shape up as he likes. The depth of the draft is not in the top-20, but in the next 40 picks. Unless he feels a player is significantly better than the next tier of players, I don't think he's just going to target a single individual.

Given that the safety class is considered by most experts as being one of the deeper positions in this draft, and given that the 49ers have been kicking the tires on several safeties (not just Reid), the notion that he might trade up for Reid, to me, seems like a random hypothetical.
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Posted: 04/19/2013 11:16 AM

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pudding wrote: Again, I don't get any sense that they would be even thinking Reid is a guy to move up to get. The safety comment might be smoke and mirrors (although I think you've narrowed the comment and not read it in the context of his full interview), but if you look at everything he's said, I think he's hinted that he's perfectly happy staying where he is and letting the board shape up as he likes. The depth of the draft is not in the top-20, but in the next 40 picks. Unless he feels a player is significantly better than the next tier of players, I don't think he's just going to target a single individual.

Given that the safety class is considered by most experts as being one of the deeper positions in this draft, and given that the 49ers have been kicking the tires on several safeties (not just Reid), the notion that he might trade up for Reid, to me, seems like a random hypothetical.

Pudding, this entire thread is based on a random hypothetical.
The question was posed,
"Question to 49ers fans....The Bears are willing to trade back in the draft with
the right offer, assuming that would be your 31st or 34th pick and whatever 2nd
or 3rd round pick would equal the trade value. So the question is...who would
have to be available at 20 that you would deem worth trading up for?"

I'm saying, IF the Niners think Reid is their guy, I could see a scenario where they would move up to get him....THATS ALL.  I'm not espousing they should take that course, but that could be a possibly.

Really, you've gotten stop taking things so literally, and/or making assumptions that aren't founded...
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Posted: 04/19/2013 12:04 PM

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There's nothing 'literal' in my reply. I'm simply providing my POV on what I think is likely. I don't think trading up is likely, and I think Reid, as an example, is not a likely choice. It doesn't matter if you are not saying he is who you think they are targeting or not. I'm saying, based on how I believe most scouts/talent evaluators see the board shaping up and the likely options of players the 49ers might consider taking, that I don't see a hypothetical scenario where they would feel compelled to trade up to that spot. Reid, Vaccaro, etc..  the player in question doesn't really matter to the point I'm making.

I've provided explanation why Reid is unlikely simply to help make the point.

You need to start taking my responses so personally.
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Posted: 04/19/2013 12:53 PM

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i'm hoping you meant STOP not START.

lol fortunately the debates will soon be replaced by discussions of what we actually did and who we actually took.

"You are either getting better or you are getting worse; you never stay the same."

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Posted: 04/19/2013 12:55 PM

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tongue haha.. yes. meant stop. multi-tasking again. (We're talking about a startup and 'start' date on a call). Had 'start' on my mind.
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Posted: 04/19/2013 12:55 PM

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higherwarrior wrote: i'm hoping you meant STOP not START.

lol fortunately the debates will soon be replaced by discussions of what we actually did and who we actually took.

I noticed that too, LOL.  Freudian slip, perhaps? tongue
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