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DasDinga's final mock

Posted: 03/20/2013 9:40 AM

DasDinga's final mock 


We lost our starting FS, NT, back up NT, back up TE, and K

We added Dorsey (DL), Dahl FS, Dawson K.

I am hoping we can sign Namdi and make a big splash and sign M. Huff out of nowhere (we had no clue we were in the running for peyton) 

I would like to see us restructure C. Rodgers contract to give some additional flexibility but i doubt that happens. 

Here is my best shot.... we fill needs at DE, FS, DT, WR, RB, slot corner, and help in the return game. 

Round 1

31.) Datone Jones – Although most people have Datone pegged to go a few spots before us, however each year at the end of the first round a few team’s will always move up to over draft a QB, with that said I am hoping with Seattle shoring up there DL via FA and the typical late 1st round shuffling, Datone falls to us at #31

Round 2

34.) Eric Reid S LSU – Fills the void left my Dashon Goldson

61.) Jesse Williams DT Alabama  - might be a little bit out of reach at the end of round 2 but there isn’t a ton of needs for DT after FA.

Round 3

74.) Da’Rick Rodgers WR – Explosive, height, weight and speed guy, off the field issues cost him millions he will be humble and willing to learn to get his money back in that second contract.

93.) Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina- Gambling on his knee but with the help of Gore in his corner he could be a work horse for us to combine with LaMichael James in the future. Couldn’t be a better situation for Marcus because he wouldn’t be expected to contribute much his rookie year, giving him the additional time to come back 100%.

Round 4

128.) **Traded for a 2014 3rd rounder**

131.) Tyran Mathieu CB – Gives us Carlos Rodgers replacement and a true slot cover corner, ran well at the combine and there is buzz he could go even higher then round 4, hopefully some teams will be scared off enough to let him slip to us in the 4th.

Round 5

157.) TE Levine Toiolo- Familiar with our offense and gives us a red zone threat at 6’8.

164.) Nickel Robey CB USC- excellent return  guy, solid feet, good hips and very competitive he could be a 1st day pick if he wasn’t 5’7.

Round 6

180.) Marquise Goodwin- WR Texas, elite speed and could solidify our return game and could develop into something nice in the passing game in a few years.

Round 7

227.) Jeff Baca OG UCLA- a lot of experience one of the most consistent linemen UCLA had over the last 4 year's. Has had a few concussions but could be a decent scout team body.

 

246.) Ray Ray Armstrong FS - 6'3 230 lbs. and can run, hit and cover. Armstrong was a 5 star athlete coming out of high school, off the field issues drop him into a low risk, high reward candidate.

252.) Tyler Bray QB UT – Think Ryan Mallet 

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Posted: 03/20/2013 11:12 AM

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It'd be hard to do any better than your top 3 picks, all those guys are potential starters.
Personally, I'd be wary of Rogers & Mathieu.  I definitely hope we get Lattimore in the 3rd/4th Round range.

Also, if we do sign Nnamdi, draft Reid to play FS, I don't really see the need to draft two more Cornerbacks.  Maybe take a SS like Duke Williams to sit behind & push Whitner.

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Posted: 03/20/2013 2:06 PM

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My thinking behind the two additional corners was BPA for the spots plus Brown is gone after this year, there isn't a great chance we retain Rodgers at the price he gets paid for next season and Namdi isn't a long term solution. We really only have Culliver for our future at CB. 

2015 could look like Culliver, Mathieu, and whoever we draft/sign in 2014. 
NashvilleNiner wrote: It'd be hard to do any better than your top 3 picks, all those guys are potential starters.
Personally, I'd be wary of Rogers & Mathieu.  I definitely hope we get Lattimore in the 3rd/4th Round range.

Also, if we do sign Nnamdi, draft Reid to play FS, I don't really see the need to draft two more Cornerbacks.  Maybe take a SS like Duke Williams to sit behind & push Whitner.
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Posted: 03/20/2013 2:43 PM

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A lot of my analysis on this will be the same as in some of the other mock threads, so I'll focus on players that I haven't discussed.

1) Jesse Williams
If Williams is around at #61, I could see the 49ers considering him. As I've said about John Jenkins, the 49ers don't run a lot of two-gap 3-4 (only 30 percent of their downs), but they do need someone to fill the spot when they do have obvious running downs. Williams isn't much of a pass rusher, but he gets penetration on pure strength, and he has relatively quick feet to slide into gaps to make a tackle. As a late 2nd rounder, I think this is a decent notion (moreso than taking Jenkins in the 1st). I'd still prefer to try and get a run stuffer in the late 3rd or 4th. I personally would think of targeting Kwame Geathers with the 4th round pick. There's some real talent at bigger need positions that might grade out better with the #61.

2) Marcus Lattimore
I'm a fan of Lattimore and, while some may not like taking him this early, I'm ok with taking him here as long as the 49ers are confident that he'll make he full recovery. I think they can stash him on the PUP list, so they don't need to expose him on the PS while saving a roster spot while he recovers. He seems like Frank Gore 2.0, but the severity of that last knee injury does scare me.

3) Tyrann Mathieu
I was one of the first in here to notice Mathieu (before his Honey Badger nickname had gone fully national), but one of the concerns I had then remains. It's not the character issues.. it's the coverage ability. Mathieu plays more like a safety than a CB, and, with his size, I'm not sure he can effectively cover bigger slot receivers. His 4 reps at 225 also brings up some concerns about whether he's really been 'working' hard while he's been out of football. He can talk a good game, but is it talk or walk? At the late 4th, it might be a worthwhile risk, but I'm not fully sold.

4) Levine Toilolo
Don't get stuck on the 'Stanford' connection. As many have noted, Harbaugh is not big on sentimentality when it comes to picking players. I think TE may be addressed much earlier than the 5th round, and I think they will want to get a player that is as versatile as possible. As Zach Ertz noted, Harbaugh will get the player that best helps the team win. Toilolo disappointed a bit this year, as he didn't take the step up in his play many thought he would with Fleener gone. With his sub-par blocking (especially for a guy his size) I don't know that he's a fit.

5) Nickel Robey
I feel like this is sort of a wasted pick in that he'd be so deep behind others in the CB depth chart and his size may preclude him from ever being more than a specialist. I think this pick may be better served trading out for a future 4th, because Robey would either be a PS player or cut, imo.

6) Marquise Goodwin
I think he's drafting too high in the 3rd round (as MDawg had him drafted), but I don't think he lasts until the 6th. His speed is too enticing for teams to pass that often on him. He did have a good Senior Bowl week, so, while his game film is not good, some team that has a need for a returner and speed will likely take a chance on him. Possibly as early as the late 3rd, but definitely in the 4th or 5th.

7) Tyler Bray
(I'm skipping to the end). I don't see Bray fitting the 49ers at all. I liked him as a Freshman, but he failed to progress through his Junior year. He's also more of a classic pocket passer with questionable mobility. He has a big arm, but just as Ryan Mallett wasn't a fit for the 49ers, neither is Bray. I also don't see him sliding all the way to the 7th solely on his character issues. Bray is more likely a mid 3rd to early 5th round type of QB, behind all the guys likely to be taken in the 2nd, but not that far behind.
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Posted: 03/20/2013 2:50 PM

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Nikel Robey I had the pick between him and the LB's J. Bostic and E. Sabino both are very athletic LB's who could give us some additional depth but i was more confident Robey would be there before either of the backers.

6th round I would still be interested in a Kenny Stills type WR, fast but came out a year to early.

I agree with the notion Bray isn't a traditional Harbaugh QB but with his character concerns and like you said his lack of progression/regression it is possible he could slip and if he does I believe he has more upside then Tolzein who isn't a mobile QB either.
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Posted: 03/20/2013 2:55 PM

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DasDinga wrote:
I agree with the notion Bray isn't a traditional Harbaugh QB but with his character concerns and like you said his lack of progression/regression it is possible he could slip and if he does I believe he has more upside then Tolzein who isn't a mobile QB either.
Tolzein is far more mobile than Bray. He ran the same offense (and many of the same designed bootlegs) that Russell Wilson ran the year after he left. Tolzein won't be mistaken for RGIII or CK, but he's got escapability. Bray is a statue by comparison.

Tolzein also has good accuracy and he beat out Josh Johnson for a spot on the roster a year ago. That says, to me, the 49ers like what they see in him. Don't underestimate that.

Again.. Bray won't slip to the 7th. He may have been a late 2nd rounder before the character issues tanked him, but that might not tank him beyond the early 5th round. I still think some team will take a shot in the 4th round area.
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Posted: 03/20/2013 3:56 PM

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i like tolzien. a LOT. it makes sense to add talent and competition, but i suspect he will be entrenched as our #2 for a long time.

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Posted: 03/20/2013 6:14 PM

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I like Tolzein as well but I think part of him beating out Johnson was his ps eligibility

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DasDinga wrote:
I agree with the notion Bray isn't a traditional Harbaugh QB but with his character concerns and like you said his lack of progression/regression it is possible he could slip and if he does I believe he has more upside then Tolzein who isn't a mobile QB either.
Tolzein is far more mobile than Bray. He ran the same offense (and many of the same designed bootlegs) that Russell Wilson ran the year after he left. Tolzein won't be mistaken for RGIII or CK, but he's got escapability. Bray is a statue by comparison.

Tolzein also has good accuracy and he beat out Josh Johnson for a spot on the roster a year ago. That says, to me, the 49ers like what they see in him. Don't underestimate that.

Again.. Bray won't slip to the 7th. He may have been a late 2nd rounder before the character issues tanked him, but that might not tank him beyond the early 5th round. I still think some team will take a shot in the 4th round area.

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Posted: 03/20/2013 6:17 PM

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Agreed. Unless we get a QB to fall in our lap with a late pick Tolzein looks like he has a firm grasp as the number 2

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i like tolzien. a LOT. it makes sense to add talent and competition, but i suspect he will be entrenched as our #2 for a long time.

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Posted: 03/20/2013 7:53 PM

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DasDinga wrote: I like Tolzein as well but I think part of him beating out Johnson was his ps eligibility

I don't think that's accurate at all. Most of the articles from last year's training camp suggested that Tolzien was beating out Johnson pretty handily in the games and practice. In fact, Tolzien was outplaying Kaepernick as a QB early on (Kaepernick, who clearly was never in doubt, pretty much ended any speculation of his demotion when he broke off a huge run in one of the pre-season games).

Tolzien wasn't placed on the practice squad, either, which further puts that theory into question.

As I said, he was kept for a reason, and I think the coaching staff feels quite comfortable with him. I don't think Bray fits their system at all, and I certainly don't think he slips to the 7th round unless something even more damning of his character comes out in the next few weeks.

I can see the 49ers taking a QB, but I just don't think Bray will be the guy, even if he were around in the 7th.
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Posted: 03/20/2013 10:04 PM

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Mayock said that Bray has as much arm talent as anyone in the draft and while he's generally regarded as a greater risk, and therefore a tier below, the top-of-the-second-round guys (EJ Manual, Matt Barkley, Ryan Nassib, Mike Glennon, etc) he's likely to be a third-round or fourth-round pick.

So I don't think it's at all realistic to mock him in the seventh round, as things stand. I also agree that he's probably not a Harbaugh type of quarterback. There's "not super athletic" like Tom Brady and then there's immobile like Ryan Mallett in college. Bray is closer to Mallett and Harbaugh definitely seems to prefer guys with decent-or-better movement skills. Tolzien is decent...he can viably roll out and throw on the move. Mallett couldn't...if he had to move off his spot, his mechanics broke down and he ceased to any real threat. Bray is the same way, IMO.
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Posted: 03/20/2013 10:32 PM

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It would be awesome if the draft fell this way but I think Williams won't be there are 61, Honey Badger will be taken before 131, personally I have Marquise Goodwin late 2nd/early 3rd and Bray will go earlier.
Minstrel wrote: Mayock said that Bray has as much arm talent as anyone in the draft and while he's generally regarded as a greater risk, and therefore a tier below, the top-of-the-second-round guys (EJ Manual, Matt Barkley, Ryan Nassib, Mike Glennon, etc) he's likely to be a third-round or fourth-round pick.

So I don't think it's at all realistic to mock him in the seventh round, as things stand. I also agree that he's probably not a Harbaugh type of quarterback. There's "not super athletic" like Tom Brady and then there's immobile like Ryan Mallett in college. Bray is closer to Mallett and Harbaugh definitely seems to prefer guys with decent-or-better movement skills. Tolzien is decent...he can viably roll out and throw on the move. Mallett couldn't...if he had to move off his spot, his mechanics broke down and he ceased to any real threat. Bray is the same way, IMO.
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Posted: 03/20/2013 10:59 PM

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Like pudding, I'm not a huge fan of Mathieu or Goodwin.

Leaving aside Mathieu's off-field issues for a second, I'm not sure he projects to a position in the NFL. I'm not convinced he has the ability to cover NFL receivers as a cornerbacks. He was a "play-maker" by hunting the ball and flying to it...which would make him a great safety or even a linebacker--except he's far too tiny for either position. Being a "natural" safety or linebacker in the body of an undersized cornerback doesn't really suggest to me any real role in the NFL except maybe on special teams.

And then you have his off-field issues. I wouldn't be willing to gamble on him until the sixth or seventh round.

Goodwin seems to me like a track athlete playing wide receiver. He's fast, but can he play receiver? At the college level, barely. That bodes poorly at the NFL level. Again, he's a very late round gamble to me, in terms of value, but I'm sure he'll be off the board before then.

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Posted: 03/21/2013 8:02 AM

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I have no interest in Goodwin either, unless we're starting a track team. Mathieu's 4 reps doesn't concern me, he hasn't had access to facilities at LSU and once he gets in an NFL camp he'll get stronger, but like Deion said "I never had to put Jerry Rice up on my shoulders"
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Posted: 03/21/2013 8:52 AM

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he will need to get stronger though. and the question is whether he has the WORK ETHIC and whether he will put in the time to be a good nfl player. it's SO much more than talent at the nfl level.

and FWIW- while deon was not known as a physical CB, go back and watch him more closely- he most definitely was capable of battling physically with WRs like rice, sterling sharpe, and michael irvin. that wasn't his strong point and he may not have been a fantastic physical tackler. but as far as battling off the line and fighting for the ball, he was far more physical (and physically capable) than many people seem to remember. i remember a number of times when he and rice came to blows and shoving matches ensued.

in addition to his athleticism and ability to break on the ball, he most definitely was good at 'redirecting' WRs too, which is a key component also.

i say all of that to emphasize that you most definitely DO need to have a reasonable level of strength and physicality or WRs will chuck you off the line or throw you aside when battling for the ball.

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Posted: 03/21/2013 9:21 AM

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My point wasn't that he isn't strong. Anyone watching him play can see he's pretty tough and has functional strength. But I can put up a 225 bar 4 times (several more, actually). He may not have had access to LSU's facilities, but he had access to facilities. It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to get in a gym and do some strength work.

It's a potential flag on a guy who has many flags. I loved the kid at LSU before his life spun out of control, so it's not like I have something against him. I'm just calling it like I see it. He has talked the talk, but is he walking the walk? Talk means nothing without action. This bears watching.

There are a lot of other players out there, and I don't like the idea of having a team of good characters always having to be the solution for reigning in potential character issues. The team has a lot of other things to focus on. A player needs to be committed to changing, first, and I'm not fully sold that Mathieu really is as committed as he preaches.
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Posted: 03/21/2013 3:21 PM

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Mathieu's apparent weed addiction is the reason he hasn't been putting the work in the gym, is there anything you can do that unmotivates you more than weed? He needed that structure at LSU, and your absolutely right Pudding, its another red flag. However, he did run well, and looked good in drills, and an NFL offseason conditioning program could help him fill that strength void
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Posted: 03/21/2013 3:34 PM

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Sorry, but that's a highly unconvincing explanation for why he should be trusted on his word. Until he puts in the work, it's all hearsay. Given that he is undersized and has not shown the diversity in coverage skill that you'd like to see in a CB, I remain highly skeptical of him at this stage.
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Posted: 03/28/2013 6:11 AM

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Alot of these players have already been discussed. But I will say that initially based on potential I was high on D. Rodgers as a prospect and I am pulling for him as a player but I am not sure if the organization will touch him due to his off the field issues alone. I did like watching him on Game Changers talk about being too strong and physical for the DB's he goes up against. He is very physical as a player, just needs to keep working on his hands.
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Posted: 04/27/2013 3:19 PM

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A lot of QB's fell further then we all assumed, including Bray. I still wouldn't mind having him.
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DasDinga wrote: I like Tolzein as well but I think part of him beating out Johnson was his ps eligibility

I don't think that's accurate at all. Most of the articles from last year's training camp suggested that Tolzien was beating out Johnson pretty handily in the games and practice. In fact, Tolzien was outplaying Kaepernick as a QB early on (Kaepernick, who clearly was never in doubt, pretty much ended any speculation of his demotion when he broke off a huge run in one of the pre-season games).

Tolzien wasn't placed on the practice squad, either, which further puts that theory into question.

As I said, he was kept for a reason, and I think the coaching staff feels quite comfortable with him. I don't think Bray fits their system at all, and I certainly don't think he slips to the 7th round unless something even more damning of his character comes out in the next few weeks.

I can see the 49ers taking a QB, but I just don't think Bray will be the guy, even if he were around in the 7th.

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