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Posted: 02/07/2013 9:28 AM

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The latest mocks are up from both McShay and Kiper. McShay has us taking Justin Hunter in the 1st rd. I like this pick as he would be a nice compliment to Crabtree on the opposite side. At 6'4 205 he is a burner who early in his career was being compared to Moss before tearing his ACL. Last year he was one year removed from injury and did not have his full explosiveness back 100%. 2 years removed if this was to hold true could make the 9ers explosive in this scenerio offensively. At this point if the team was to targe a WR with this pick the only other WR so far that I would be happy to have added to the roster is Quinton Patton. When it is all said and done he may work his way into the 1st rd. I see that Kiper has him going as high as 28th on his latest mock. But this kid at 6'2 205 is drawing some favorable comparisons as high as I read one outlet compare him to Reggie Wayne. That type of talent would be most welcomed as well regardless if Jenkins is ready or not we will have the need for another high quality WR going forward. Kiper has the 9ers taking John Jenkins in the 1st rd. I like this pick as well 6'4 360 pds of nastiness. Jenkins would fall into an excellent situation as he would learn how to work and be a professional from Smith, Willis, Bowman etc. Hecould be the team's longterm fix at NT and shows sneaky athletism for a man his size. In either scenerio I would say that the 9ers would be off to a good start in the draft. If not Jenkins and if Williams is off the board as well, so far I would hope that the 9ers address some other needs instead of reaching for a Hunt, or Okafer type when similar value could be had later with a Gholston, B. Williams, Hughes etc. But whatever happens this should make for an interesting and important off season.
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Posted: 02/07/2013 9:54 AM

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drama wrote: The latest mocks are up from both McShay and Kiper. McShay has us taking Justin Hunter in the 1st rd. I like this pick as he would be a nice compliment to Crabtree on the opposite side. At 6'4 205 he is a burner who early in his career was being compared to Moss before tearing his ACL. Last year he was one year removed from injury and did not have his full explosiveness back 100%. 2 years removed if this was to hold true could make the 9ers explosive in this scenerio offensively. At this point if the team was to targe a WR with this pick the only other WR so far that I would be happy to have added to the roster is Quinton Patton. When it is all said and done he may work his way into the 1st rd. I see that Kiper has him going as high as 28th on his latest mock. But this kid at 6'2 205 is drawing some favorable comparisons as high as I read one outlet compare him to Reggie Wayne. That type of talent would be most welcomed as well regardless if Jenkins is ready or not we will have the need for another high quality WR going forward. Kiper has the 9ers taking John Jenkins in the 1st rd. I like this pick as well 6'4 360 pds of nastiness. Jenkins would fall into an excellent situation as he would learn how to work and be a professional from Smith, Willis, Bowman etc. Hecould be the team's longterm fix at NT and shows sneaky athletism for a man his size. In either scenerio I would say that the 9ers would be off to a good start in the draft. If not Jenkins and if Williams is off the board as well, so far I would hope that the 9ers address some other needs instead of reaching for a Hunt, or Okafer type when similar value could be had later with a Gholston, B. Williams, Hughes etc. But whatever happens this should make for an interesting and important off season.

I like Hunter and Patton a lot.  I do think WR is a bit of concern with injuries, age, contracts & such. I'm not sure if its a 1st Round concern, but I wouldn't have a problem with it if we went that direction. 
I also like the DL pick in Johnn Jenkins (or similar player like Floyd or Williams), not a big fan of Hunt in the 1st either, I'm not sure he has the gerth to hold up as a 3-4 DE/DT....he's only about 5 pounds lighter than Justin Smith, BUT on a 6'8" frame.  I wouldn't mind Okafor though.

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Posted: 02/07/2013 10:45 AM

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I do wonder when or at what point they will address the WR position. Because so far on paper the WR crop this year for the draft does not seem that deep in terms of impact players. Alot of developmental guys, when this team needs someone that can step in and be a #2 guy at the start of training camp. Unless they address the need via trade or FA. I like Wilson alot, but when I think about the last 2 drafts with this regime, I can't recall them taking a player with potential red flags. This regime seems to be looking for clean cut football and character guys. Not saying that I am right or that their stance can't/won't change but it take away potential prospects like Wilson, and Rogers who have 1st rd ability but could be had a little latter due to concerns, which would allow the team to address other needs early and getting a steal later. But as a fan I must say that I am enjoying not reading alot of negative press regarding our players, unlike other teams.

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Posted: 02/07/2013 11:06 AM

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drama wrote:

I do wonder when or at what point they will address the WR position. Because so far on paper the WR crop this year for the draft does not seem that deep in terms of impact players. Alot of developmental guys, when this team needs someone that can step in and be a #2 guy at the start of training camp. Unless they address the need via trade or FA. I like Wilson alot, but when I think about the last 2 drafts with this regime, I can't recall them taking a player with potential red flags. This regime seems to be looking for clean cut football and character guys. Not saying that I am right or that their stance can't/won't change but it take away potential prospects like Wilson, and Rogers who have 1st rd ability but could be had a little latter due to concerns, which would allow the team to address other needs early and getting a steal later. But as a fan I must say that I am enjoying not reading alot of negative press regarding our players, unlike other teams.


I agree there's no sure-fire, gamechanging WR in this class like an AJ Green, Julio Jones, or Justin Blackmon, but i actually really like the overall depth of the class.
I think guys like Cordarrelle Patterson, Cobi Hamilton, Ryan Swope, Robert Woods, and Stedman Bailey (who is a little bigger & put up better numbers than Tavon Austin), are going to be solid players in the league.  One guy who could be a sleeper is Emory Blake (Jeff Blake's son) from Auburn.  He's a really talented player, who would probably have better stats, if Auburn had a stable Quarterback throwing to him.
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Posted: 02/07/2013 11:23 AM

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They are outlets suggesting that Patterson could be the 1st WR off the board. Woods is one of my favorites as a WR prospect. He has track speed and already a polished route runner from a pro style offense. He also has an abilty to help out in the return game which is an added bonus. Just wonder if the 9ers would have him on their radar or see him as a similar prospect as jenkins. Blake is a big time sleeper. His pedigree and his freshman year alone should be enough to get him a look in the later rounds. I run hot and cold with Hamilton and Swope and will rely on your input regarding Baileycool
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Posted: 02/07/2013 12:05 PM

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drama wrote: They are outlets suggesting that Patterson could be the 1st WR off the board. Woods is one of my favorites as a WR prospect. He has track speed and already a polished route runner from a pro style offense. He also has an abilty to help out in the return game which is an added bonus. Just wonder if the 9ers would have him on their radar or see him as a similar prospect as jenkins. Blake is a big time sleeper. His pedigree and his freshman year alone should be enough to get him a look in the later rounds. I run hot and cold with Hamilton and Swope and will rely on your input regarding Baileycool

I think its interesting that most of the talk i've heard is about Tavon Austin, yet looking at them side by side, i think Bailey wins out...

Austin: (5'9, 176) 114 rec, 1,289 yds, 12 TDs.
Bailey: (5'10, 190) 114 rec, 1,622 yds, 25 TDs.

Although, Austin was used more on Kick/Punt Returns, and little in the backfield too.
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Posted: 02/07/2013 12:58 PM

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It maybe aside from Austin bringing more as a swiss army knife player, but just read that Bailey had an off the field incident regarding shoplifting that may have him a little further down as a prospectnoideaHow about Markus W. 92rec 1244yds and 12tds? He is pure speed in from the slot and has the heart to go get balls over the middle dispite only being 5'11 182pds.
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Posted: 02/07/2013 1:28 PM

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drama wrote: It maybe aside from Austin bringing more as a swiss army knife player, but just read that Bailey had an off the field incident regarding shoplifting that may have him a little further down as a prospectnoideaHow about Markus W. 92rec 1244yds and 12tds? He is pure speed in from the slot and has the heart to go get balls over the middle dispite only being 5'11 182pds.
I didn't get to see many Oregon State games this year, but I know they had a great season, and Wheaton was big part of their success.  And I like what i saw from him at the Senior Bowl.

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Posted: 02/07/2013 3:48 PM

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If that were the case, the niners are giving up on Jenkins already.  If that's the case, seems 49er late first round WRs are in the Rashaun Woods mold.  Not too keen on WR in the first.  Need a DT that can push the pile in a Ngata mold or a understudy for J. Smith.  I like the Jenkins pick better, or J. Williams or S. Richardson (likely gone tho.)
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Posted: 02/08/2013 2:37 AM

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uncleloggins wrote: If that were the case, the niners are giving up on Jenkins already.  If that's the case, seems 49er late first round WRs are in the Rashaun Woods mold.  Not too keen on WR in the first.  Need a DT that can push the pile in a Ngata mold or a understudy for J. Smith.  I like the Jenkins pick better, or J. Williams or S. Richardson (likely gone tho.)
I agree, I feel the Niners need some DL depth.  Perhaps Baalke's crystal ball was off by a year!  His crystal ball meant John "Jenkins!"biggrin 

As of today, there is Ray McDonald on the left & Justin Smith on the right with an injured left arm.  Niners need a NT. I hope the Niners sign a pretty good FA DL player and select one or two DL players in the draft.  Ian Williams, Tony Jerrod-Edie, Will Tukuafu & Demarcus Dobbs represent the depth on the DL.  

I think AJ Jenkins should be okay.  He has had a year to absorb what the NFL is about. He should be hungry for the 2013 season.  

In fact, I feel the offense will be okay.  The entire OL, CK, Gore, VD & Crabtree all will be back.  It's the defense that has me concerned!
No play is too big for Colin Kaepernick!!!
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Posted: 02/08/2013 2:08 PM

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Seriously doubt we draft a WR in first and doubt Hunter will be a first rounder even more...

We are a BASEBALL school now...

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Posted: 02/08/2013 4:47 PM

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Not saying that it will happen in the draft, but it is a priority so it could happen via draft if they don't find an affordable option via FA or trade.

The San Francisco 49ers will again make acquiring a second wide receiver a priority in the offseason.

Michael Crabtree was targeted 94 times in Colin Kaepernick's 10 starts, 55 more than any other receiver.

Kyle Williams and Mario Manningham suffered injuries, while Randy Moss appeared to fall out of favor with the 49ers by the end of the season.

The 49ers hope A.J. Jenkins comes back for his second season ready to contribute.

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Posted: 02/09/2013 12:56 PM

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IMO forget Hunter and draft Marquess Wilson in the 4th-6th rounds. I think he'll be a better pro. He's got some issues to deal with but our strong locker room and culture can turn him around. He does need to add a little bulk but he's a baller and fights for the ball.
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Posted: 02/09/2013 2:01 PM

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Agreed regarding Wilson.
AthleticsReign wrote: IMO forget Hunter and draft Marquess Wilson in the 4th-6th rounds. I think he'll be a better pro. He's got some issues to deal with but our strong locker room and culture can turn him around. He does need to add a little bulk but he's a baller and fights for the ball.
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Posted: 03/06/2013 1:51 PM

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Latest Mock has the 9ers taking M. Hunt. I was liking him as a pick earlier in the process until Senior Bowl where he did not fair so well, especially being one of the older prospects. He was supposed to be the benchmark not getting owned by kids 3 and 4 years younger than him. What will happen when he is playing against Men in the leagueohlord?? My money would be on Datone Jones, or Bennie Logan as an understudy to Smith at this point. Hunt still has upside because as the combine showed he is a freak athlete, but we will see I guess as time goes on.
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Posted: 03/06/2013 2:06 PM

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I'd be really pleased if the 49ers got Datone Jones. He's currently my favorite prospect for the end of the first round.
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Posted: 03/06/2013 2:18 PM

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Minstrel wrote: I'd be really pleased if the 49ers got Datone Jones. He's currently my favorite prospect for the end of the first round.

I like Datone, i think he'll still be there at 34 though.  If we got Jenkins or Elam at 31 (i think the Ravens would snatch either of them right after us), and Datone at 34, I'd be stoked...
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Posted: 03/06/2013 3:07 PM

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Datone Jones is pretty often being mocked to go ahead of the 49ers' first round selection. Media draft experts are hardly infallible, but they're pretty much all we have to go on right now since none of us (I'm assuming) have any connections to NFL front offices.

I think Jones could go anywhere from 25 to 35, but I wouldn't feel comfortable expecting him to drop to #34. If the 49ers consider him equal to many other prospects and therefore no big deal if he's taken before one of their selections, then no problem waiting to #34 and hoping. If they see him as the likeliest difference-maker in that range of the draft, they shouldn't wait. For us fans, all the prospects with similar grades are more or less interchangeable, but they're not all going to be equally good...Baalke's job is to pick the "winner" (the guy among similarly graded guys who will actually pan out the best).

Of course, if you think Elam or Jenkins is more that guy than Jones, then I completely understand your position. I think Jones is that guy, in my entirely amateur opinion. wink But if you think Jones is important but will drop, I think that's dangerous.

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Posted: 03/06/2013 3:34 PM

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Minstrel wrote: Datone Jones is pretty often being mocked to go ahead of the 49ers' first round selection. Media draft experts are hardly infallible, but they're pretty much all we have to go on right now since none of us (I'm assuming) have any connections to NFL front offices.

I think Jones could go anywhere from 25 to 35, but I wouldn't feel comfortable expecting him to drop to #34. If the 49ers consider him equal to many other prospects and therefore no big deal if he's taken before one of their selections, then no problem waiting to #34 and hoping. If they see him as the likeliest difference-maker in that range of the draft, they shouldn't wait. For us fans, all the prospects with similar grades are more or less interchangeable, but they're not all going to be equally good...Baalke's job is to pick the "winner" (the guy among similarly graded guys who will actually pan out the best).

Of course, if you think Elam or Jenkins is more that guy than Jones, then I completely understand your position. I think Jones is that guy, in my entirely amateur opinion. wink But if you think Jones is important but will drop, I think that's dangerous.

Exactly.  And that is where i'm coming from, with Goldson, Sop & RJF potentially on their way out, I do think Elam or Jenkins are possible immediate starters, where Jones might be somewhat of a luxury pick, and definite backup (initially).  I think they are all very comparable talent-wise though.
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Posted: 03/29/2013 7:30 AM

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Latest McShay 2 round mock has the 9ers taking Jenkins in the 1st and I like the analysis what McShay had to say about him as a prospect.

"I've become a big fan of Jenkins during film study. He was a little heavy in 2012, but even at 350-plus pounds he moved better than expected, played with a nonstop motor and got more involved in backside pursuit than a lot of 250-pound defensive ends I studied. I'll bet on a guy like that any day. Jenkins has also shed some weight during the draft process, and many feel he is maturing and coming into his own after a tough upbringing. He's not the space-eater his size would seem to indicate, but he can play nose tackle or end in the 49ers' 3-4 scheme and add to the problems their defensive front can create."

He also has us taking Ertz and John Cyprien with the 2nd rd selections.
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