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Posted: 12/31/2012 5:11 PM

Any extra picks? 


Remind me, do the 49ers have any extra early picks (rounds 1-4) next season? They have traded so many the past few years I can't keep up
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Posted: 12/31/2012 5:36 PM

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If you mean the upcoming draft, they have Carolina's 3rd round pick.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 5:43 PM

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Here's what I got from Maiocco as of 12/05/12

2013 draft:

R1) own pick
R2) own pick
R3) own pick
R3) From Carolina via 2012 trade
R3) Likely compensatory pick
R4) own pick
R5) own pick
R5) From Indy via trade which isn't going to be as high as one thought.
R6) own pick
R6) from Miami via trade
R7) own pick
R7) from cincy fro taylor Mays
R7) Likely compensatory pick
R7) likely compensatory pick

In other words, freakin sweet!  Yes, 14 picks.  The future is bright.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/49ers- have-stock-piled-plenty-2013-draft-picks
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Posted: 01/01/2013 11:23 AM

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Remember, comp picks cannot be traded, but I expect some of the others to be bundled in draft day trades.
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Posted: 01/02/2013 12:05 PM

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Posted: 01/03/2013 9:48 AM

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Three third-rounders is really excellent.
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Posted: 01/03/2013 11:31 AM

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There's just no way 14 rookies are making the roster.  I think it is inevitable that picks get grouped together to either move up in this year's draft or next year's.

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Posted: 01/03/2013 3:09 PM

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Or we could trade a few for 2014.  At this point, we probably need:

New Center
Least one Safety
DT
DE
ILB (we're going to lose Grant)
OLB (we're playing with basically two guys and some have suggested PH gets cut).
WR (even assuming Jenkins is the real deal, we have two guys, with two more coming back from injuries, although you'd hope both will be capable).

We have the two LBs we drafted last year, so maybe they fill the ILB/OLB spot.  We have Dobbs and Will T, along with Williams, so maybe we have back ups at DT/DE, but you have to think we need one more (higher round) talented guy for those positions.  Especially if we don't sign Sopo and RJF.  We have Kilgore so maybe that fills out Center. 

That is 7 picks but getting guys late is always a crap shoot.  I could see us keeping at least two of our third rounders, and trying to fill out much of the list with our top 4 picks in the three rounds, and then doing a series of trades up/down/next year on the rest so we end up with decent picks in 2014.  Assuming Alex is traded and we get a 2nd/3rd round in 2014.
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Posted: 01/03/2013 3:32 PM

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As I've said in several other threads, no offense to Dobbs, Tukuafu, and Williams, but given the depth and quality of the DE/DT in this year's draft and given the importance of the front-line to the success of the defense, I think that has to be a priority.

I don't think Goodwin's been bad, and Kilgore has been considered a very strong apprentice, so I don't think C is as big a need at this juncture.
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Posted: 01/03/2013 3:37 PM

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pudding wrote: As I've said in several other threads, no offense to Dobbs, Tukuafu, and Williams, but given the depth and quality of the DE/DT in this year's draft and given the importance of the front-line to the success of the defense, I think that has to be a priority.

I don't think Goodwin's been bad, and Kilgore has been considered a very strong apprentice, so I don't think C is as big a need at this juncture.
DE need further illustrated by the difference between the 49er D w/ J. Smith and the 49er D wo/J. Smith.  Need to finssomeone to follow J. Smith, no one will replace that guy.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 1:34 AM

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uncleloggins wrote:
pudding wrote: As I've said in several other threads, no offense to Dobbs, Tukuafu, and Williams, but given the depth and quality of the DE/DT in this year's draft and given the importance of the front-line to the success of the defense, I think that has to be a priority.

I don't think Goodwin's been bad, and Kilgore has been considered a very strong apprentice, so I don't think C is as big a need at this juncture.
DE need further illustrated by the difference between the 49er D w/ J. Smith and the 49er D wo/J. Smith.  Need to finssomeone to follow J. Smith, no one will replace that guy.
I agree, the DL needs to improve it's talent on the depth chart.  If the Niners can obtain one of the stud DT or DE, that would be great.  If it means packing 2 or more picks, so be it.  

If the Niners can couple a solid 1st round DT or DE (Ex: John Jenkins or...) with a solid FA (Ex: Someone mentioned DT Desmond Bryant or...) along the DL, that would give the Niners solid depth.  I also think the Niners should draft another mid or late round DL player.  As coaches say, iron sharpens iron!

As far as center goes, I like Dan Kilgore.  He is an active player with quick feet.  Well, at least from what I saw during the pre-season.  He is learning from Goodwin who is a solid resource.
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Posted: 01/07/2013 3:54 PM

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i would agree that since there aren't that many roster spots up for grabs, it would be wise to package some picks either to target and move up for players we like this year and/or trade out for higher picks in next year's draft. (for example, trading a 3rd for someone's 2nd rounder next year.

i'm thrilled to see how baalke's uses these picks. we have some definite needs to acquire depth along the DL, S, OL, and perhaps WR positions. not to mention that we have to continue to do really well in the draft in order to fill the gaps that will be left by any FAs who we lose in years to come.

"You are either getting better or you are getting worse; you never stay the same."

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Posted: 01/07/2013 6:14 PM

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higherwarrior wrote: i would agree that since there aren't that many roster spots up for grabs, it would be wise to package some picks either to target and move up for players we like this year and/or trade out for higher picks in next year's draft. (for example, trading a 3rd for someone's 2nd rounder next year.

i'm thrilled to see how baalke's uses these picks. we have some definite needs to acquire depth along the DL, S, OL, and perhaps WR positions. not to mention that we have to continue to do really well in the draft in order to fill the gaps that will be left by any FAs who we lose in years to come.
I think they need a horse to eventually replace Gore as well.  Gore turns the dreaded 30 with some high miles, James is a Sproles-type guy, along with the injury to Hunter.  Lacy, Gillislee, or Ball could fill that role.   DL, that was evident by how much the defense regressed without J. Smith.  S, I hope they resign Goldson, CB, Rogers is not getting any younger.   Just some ideas.
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Posted: 01/07/2013 6:59 PM

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Looking on ESPN, if I am figuring this out properly, Carolina's pick should be the 11th in round 3.

So, however you slice it potentially 5 picks in the first 100! 
uncleloggins wrote: Here's what I got from Maiocco as of 12/05/12

2013 draft:

R1) own pick
R2) own pick
R3) own pick
R3) From Carolina via 2012 trade
R3) Likely compensatory pick
R4) own pick
R5) own pick
R5) From Indy via trade which isn't going to be as high as one thought.
R6) own pick
R6) from Miami via trade
R7) own pick
R7) from cincy fro taylor Mays
R7) Likely compensatory pick
R7) likely compensatory pick

In other words, freakin sweet!  Yes, 14 picks.  The future is bright.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/49ers- have-stock-piled-plenty-2013-draft-picks
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Posted: 01/08/2013 9:11 AM

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uncleloggins wrote:
I think they need a horse to eventually replace Gore as well.  Gore turns the dreaded 30 with some high miles, James is a Sproles-type guy, along with the injury to Hunter.  Lacy, Gillislee, or Ball could fill that role.   DL, that was evident by how much the defense regressed without J. Smith.  S, I hope they resign Goldson, CB, Rogers is not getting any younger.   Just some ideas.
I don't know that they will spend another high draft pick on a RB. Jury's still out on how high Lacy will go. His early grades had him as a 3rd rounder, and he's not a Sr., so he won't get to build his stock at the Sr. Bowl. Last night was his last showcase before the combine.

If he can last until the 3rd, then he could have a shot at being a 49er. Gillslee's not all that big (5'11, 200). Bigger than James and Hunter, but not appreciably so. If they want a bigger back, LeVeon Bell is about as big as they get (6'2, 242). His stock is somewhere in that 2nd-3rd round range, now, although it could climb. Stepfan Taylor has good bulk (5'11, 215), and is in that 2nd-3rd round area now (a lot will depend on his combine, as some feel he's too slow to pick higher than the 3rd). Christine Michael has good size, too, and he might slip simply because he got overshadowed at Texas A&M by both Manziell and the younger, shiftier Ben Malena. He's a guy to watch in the Senior exhibitions (he'll be in the East/West Shrine bowl).
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Posted: 01/08/2013 9:49 AM

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pudding wrote:
uncleloggins wrote:
I think they need a horse to eventually replace Gore as well.  Gore turns the dreaded 30 with some high miles, James is a Sproles-type guy, along with the injury to Hunter.  Lacy, Gillislee, or Ball could fill that role.   DL, that was evident by how much the defense regressed without J. Smith.  S, I hope they resign Goldson, CB, Rogers is not getting any younger.   Just some ideas.
I don't know that they will spend another high draft pick on a RB. Jury's still out on how high Lacy will go. His early grades had him as a 3rd rounder, and he's not a Sr., so he won't get to build his stock at the Sr. Bowl. Last night was his last showcase before the combine.

If he can last until the 3rd, then he could have a shot at being a 49er. Gillslee's not all that big (5'11, 200). Bigger than James and Hunter, but not appreciably so. If they want a bigger back, LeVeon Bell is about as big as they get (6'2, 242). His stock is somewhere in that 2nd-3rd round range, now, although it could climb. Stepfan Taylor has good bulk (5'11, 215), and is in that 2nd-3rd round area now (a lot will depend on his combine, as some feel he's too slow to pick higher than the 3rd). Christine Michael has good size, too, and he might slip simply because he got overshadowed at Texas A&M by both Manziell and the younger, shiftier Ben Malena. He's a guy to watch in the Senior exhibitions (he'll be in the East/West Shrine bowl).

Just a little nitpick...i believe Gillislee is more like 210, that extra 10lbs makes a big difference for a RB.  By comparison, Montee Ball, who's consdered more of a "powerback" by most, is just a little heavier at 212lbs.  But Gillislee & Taylor are extremely similar, IMO.  Both have more speed & power than you would think by just looking at them.  Taylor has done it longer, but both are very productive, 20 carry-a-game/workhorse types.

I think I agree about Lacy; but I wonder with another Championship under his belt, Yeldon getting more carries next year, and Fowler (another junior who was actually #2 before getting injured) getting some touches, if he wouldn't just go ahead and bolt after HUGE games in the SEC & National Championship.

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Posted: 01/08/2013 10:58 AM

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I think Lacy leaves, for sure. Yeldon was getting a lot of carries, and they have a big RB coming in (Derrick Henry - 6'3, 245), who just set the HS career rushing record with 12,212 (including 4,261 yds rushing and 55 TD this season alone eek ). He scored over 150 TD and averaged nearly 9 yards a carry for his career. Henry was timed around 4.53 in the 40, which is just ridiculous for a guy his size. That kid looks like he might be starting right away.  So.. yeah.. I see Lacy choosing to come out.

I'm not saying Lacy is not a good back, but his stock was around a 3rd round grade before his recent string of big games. He chose a lot of good games to showcase himself for the NFL, though. My point was more that he won't have the Sr. Bowl or other exhibitions to continue to showcase himself. He'll have to focus on the Combine and workouts to really boost his stock. Of course, Richardson did the same thing a year ago, as have many underclassmen, so it's not at all unlikely that he can do that. I don't know if he'll be available in the 3rd any longer, and I don't know that the 49ers would target him with their 1st or 2nd round picks with their other pressing needs.

As for Gillislee, I could be wrong. I was going by ESPN's draft tracker, which had him at 200. He doesn't look that big (bigger than LaMichael James, but not significantly so), so I didn't bother to cross check. I do see that other sites list him at 209 and 210. I don't think he runs like a big back, though, and he looks high cut (sort of DeMarco Murray like), which is why I wouldn't really consider him that 'different' a back than what they have. I do think he could be an every down back, but his resume is (despite playing four years) a little short. I've only seen maybe 2-3 games, and he didn't really stand out to me. He was good, but not "oh, who is that guy" good. tongue
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Posted: 01/08/2013 11:31 AM

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pudding wrote: I think Lacy leaves, for sure. Yeldon was getting a lot of carries, and they have a big RB coming in (Derrick Henry - 6'3, 245), who just set the HS career rushing record with 12,212 (including 4,261 yds rushing and 55 TD this season alone eek ). He scored over 150 TD and averaged nearly 9 yards a carry for his career. Henry was timed around 4.53 in the 40, which is just ridiculous for a guy his size. That kid looks like he might be starting right away.  So.. yeah.. I see Lacy choosing to come out.

I'm not saying Lacy is not a good back, but his stock was around a 3rd round grade before his recent string of big games. He chose a lot of good games to showcase himself for the NFL, though. My point was more that he won't have the Sr. Bowl or other exhibitions to continue to showcase himself. He'll have to focus on the Combine and workouts to really boost his stock. Of course, Richardson did the same thing a year ago, as have many underclassmen, so it's not at all unlikely that he can do that. I don't know if he'll be available in the 3rd any longer, and I don't know that the 49ers would target him with their 1st or 2nd round picks with their other pressing needs.

As for Gillislee, I could be wrong. I was going by ESPN's draft tracker, which had him at 200. He doesn't look that big (bigger than LaMichael James, but not significantly so), so I didn't bother to cross check. I do see that other sites list him at 209 and 210. I don't think he runs like a big back, though, and he looks high cut (sort of DeMarco Murray like), which is why I wouldn't really consider him that 'different' a back than what they have. I do think he could be an every down back, but his resume is (despite playing four years) a little short. I've only seen maybe 2-3 games, and he didn't really stand out to me. He was good, but not "oh, who is that guy" good. tongue

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Posted: 01/08/2013 3:21 PM

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pudding wrote:
uncleloggins wrote:
I think they need a horse to eventually replace Gore as well.  Gore turns the dreaded 30 with some high miles, James is a Sproles-type guy, along with the injury to Hunter.  Lacy, Gillislee, or Ball could fill that role.   DL, that was evident by how much the defense regressed without J. Smith.  S, I hope they resign Goldson, CB, Rogers is not getting any younger.   Just some ideas.
I don't know that they will spend another high draft pick on a RB. Jury's still out on how high Lacy will go. His early grades had him as a 3rd rounder, and he's not a Sr., so he won't get to build his stock at the Sr. Bowl. Last night was his last showcase before the combine.

If he can last until the 3rd, then he could have a shot at being a 49er. Gillslee's not all that big (5'11, 200). Bigger than James and Hunter, but not appreciably so. If they want a bigger back, LeVeon Bell is about as big as they get (6'2, 242). His stock is somewhere in that 2nd-3rd round range, now, although it could climb. Stepfan Taylor has good bulk (5'11, 215), and is in that 2nd-3rd round area now (a lot will depend on his combine, as some feel he's too slow to pick higher than the 3rd). Christine Michael has good size, too, and he might slip simply because he got overshadowed at Texas A&M by both Manziell and the younger, shiftier Ben Malena. He's a guy to watch in the Senior exhibitions (he'll be in the East/West Shrine bowl).
Actaully Gillislee is listed at 210 on most sites.  And i wasn't thinking early rounder, I was thinking rounds 3-5.  Can find value at RB later in the draft; Pierce (R3), Ballard R5) and Al. Morris (R6) come to mind.  That said,  Gore has some hard miles on him and neither Hunter or James can shoulder that load.  Dixon is not the answer IMO.  I wouldn't mind using seeing the niners use their last 3rd rounder on a back.  But who knows, we are so far from the draft, there is still so much to see and read.  I think DL is the biggest priority, followed by CB, S/RB.
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Posted: 01/08/2013 6:19 PM

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You mentioned Ball and Lacy, two players whose stocks are likely going to be well above 3rd-5th round. I also already addressed the Gillsilee listing (see prior two posts between Nashville and myself). Gillsilee could land in the 3rd. I do like that Gillislee's a willing blocker and tough nosed for his size, but he definitely looks small (even if he's carrying 210 lbs).

His running style is reminiscent of Frank Gore in that he's patient and a downhill runner, but the main difference I see is still the weight distribution. Gillislee is high-cut (more build in his upper body), and his legs are a bit thin (more like James than Gore). Hunter's smaller, but he actually has a squatter, low-cut build with more powerful looking legs.

I'm not saying that the 49ers shouldn't look at him; I'm just saying, if the notion is to get a bigger back that can carry the load down the line, I'm not sure he fully fits that build. He could add weight, but when you're high cut like that, that may not add it to where he needs it most (in his legs/mid-section). Anyway, he's not a bad player.. just not the first that comes to mind for me.
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