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Greg Roman

  • guy03
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Posted: 10/02/2012 3:01 PM

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called his best game thus far.  I have been somewhat skeptical of his conservative approach because I know he could open up this offense with the weapons available. His use of CK and Manningham has been the real difference.  Both are extremely dangerous and present a myriad of problems for a defense.  I think we all saw an element of explosiveness that was lacking previously and wondered if Roman would do something to improve the red zone offense.  In a way, I was quite happy to see Akers miss a couple of field goals because we have a tendency to rely on him too much.  While I don't envision a two quarterback offense, I do see CK getting more playing time because he has the potential to really open things up.
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Posted: 10/03/2012 12:29 AM

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According to NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell, Roman's offensive creativity on Sunday wasn't necessarily a positive. With the 49ers going heavily to the unconventional, his view is that the 49ers might not have a firm peg in which to hang their offensive hat.See the article below:

blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/10/...-on-alex-smith/

"Now they are trying to manufacture offense rather than executing offense, and I don’t think that manufacturing offense in today’s NFL wins Super Bowls,” Cosell said Monday on KNBR-AM’s Fitz and Brooks show. Cosell has been breaking down film for over 30 years at NFL Films.

“I think the teams that compete have a stable offense, whether it’s run, pass or both with consistency and they are not looking to manufacture offense on a week to week basis. The way they won yesterday might raise more questions than answers.”
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Posted: 10/03/2012 2:41 AM

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CDC84 wrote: According to NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell, Roman's offensive creativity on Sunday wasn't necessarily a positive. With the 49ers going heavily to the unconventional, his view is that the 49ers might not have a firm peg in which to hang their offensive hat.See the article below:

blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/10/...-on-alex-smith/

"Now they are trying to manufacture offense rather than executing offense, and I don’t think that manufacturing offense in today’s NFL wins Super Bowls,” Cosell said Monday on KNBR-AM’s Fitz and Brooks show. Cosell has been breaking down film for over 30 years at NFL Films.

“I think the teams that compete have a stable offense, whether it’s run, pass or both with consistency and they are not looking to manufacture offense on a week to week basis. The way they won yesterday might raise more questions than answers.”
Yeah, read this article and made me think.  I have faith in Alex Smith. Legitimate concerns but I don't have that fear for various reasons.  I feel the offense has shown growth and will continue to get better.
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Posted: 10/03/2012 6:59 AM

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That's one way to look at it, but the fact remains it gives teams one more thing to worry about and in this day of complicated formations, schemes, etc. the human brain can only absorb so much.  Why draft CK if you are going to sit him on the bench waiting for Smith to get injured in order for him to appear.  I think his argument is lame.
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Posted: 10/03/2012 7:48 AM

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I find this entire notion laughable.  We scored 34 points against the Jet's.  You don't score 34 points against anyone in the NFL on accident, and regardless of what they might think of the production on offense, in the last 22 games the 49ers are 17 - 5.  You don't slip past teams in the NFL, and to try to slant it like that's happening is just plain silly.  22 opponents have film and know what the 49ers are going to do.  They don't seem to be doing very well as coaches then if the offense is only "manufacturing" points.
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Posted: 10/03/2012 11:14 AM

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Cosell's comment has some merit, but I think it's not firmly based in the actual scheming that Roman does. Roman has been running unusual formations for a long, long time. The plays, themselves, are not all that unusual, it's just the formations, which force the defense to guess. If you add into that a QB who can recognize any coverage vulnerabilities to call a different play out of the 'unusual' formation, and it can definitely provide an advantage to the offense.

Now, I do agree that sometimes, when you're trying to get to creative, it can take away from the bread and butter. To Cosell, football is still, ultimately, about beating the other opponent. If you have man coverage on a wideout, you bet your man can beat the other man. If you are going to do a power run to the strong side, you're betting that you can move the chains even if they stack 8 men in the box to try and stop you. Executiion, to Cosell, is more impressive than what he sees as gimmicks.

The key for the 49ers remains execution, and the truth is, they've been executing out of their unusual formations all year and all last year. And sometimes, like in their jumbo packages, they are basically saying.. "we're going to run right at you. stop us."

To me, the key component that still seems to be missing is the consistency in the passing game. Moss has not had the impact some hoped, and Manningham has been used sparingly. Crabtree, after an auspicious first two games, has gone quiet. The reason Walsh's version of the WC offense was so effective was because he forced teams to always protect against the pass on almost every down. It was most effective, though, when the run game was clicking, too, because then defenses had to either take their chances with single coverage on the wideouts or fewer in the box against the run. Until the 49ers show more consistency in the passing game, I think teams will start to crowd the run more and more. Smith looked pretty good the first couple games, but both Minnesota and the Jets did a better job of protecting against the pass.
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Posted: 10/04/2012 1:29 AM

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pudding wrote: Cosell's comment has some merit, but I think it's not firmly based in the actual scheming that Roman does. Roman has been running unusual formations for a long, long time. The plays, themselves, are not all that unusual, it's just the formations, which force the defense to guess. If you add into that a QB who can recognize any coverage vulnerabilities to call a different play out of the 'unusual' formation, and it can definitely provide an advantage to the offense.

Now, I do agree that sometimes, when you're trying to get to creative, it can take away from the bread and butter. To Cosell, football is still, ultimately, about beating the other opponent. If you have man coverage on a wideout, you bet your man can beat the other man. If you are going to do a power run to the strong side, you're betting that you can move the chains even if they stack 8 men in the box to try and stop you. Executiion, to Cosell, is more impressive than what he sees as gimmicks.

The key for the 49ers remains execution, and the truth is, they've been executing out of their unusual formations all year and all last year. And sometimes, like in their jumbo packages, they are basically saying.. "we're going to run right at you. stop us."

To me, the key component that still seems to be missing is the consistency in the passing game. Moss has not had the impact some hoped, and Manningham has been used sparingly. Crabtree, after an auspicious first two games, has gone quiet. The reason Walsh's version of the WC offense was so effective was because he forced teams to always protect against the pass on almost every down. It was most effective, though, when the run game was clicking, too, because then defenses had to either take their chances with single coverage on the wideouts or fewer in the box against the run. Until the 49ers show more consistency in the passing game, I think teams will start to crowd the run more and more. Smith looked pretty good the first couple games, but both Minnesota and the Jets did a better job of protecting against the pass.
Harbaugh and the coaching staff did a great job last season of working the rookies in slowly.  Wondering if he is doing that with Moss & Manningham.  Manningham has seen more  playing time than Moss.

I feel like the Niners are using Moss more in the 1st half of games then sitting him on the bench in the 2nd half.

I have another crazy thought but I think Moss will be featured in the playoffs should Harbaugh be bold enough to know his team will make the post season.  Moss did receive triple coverage on that deep pass by CK.
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Posted: 10/04/2012 5:09 AM

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Conventional or unconventional as Herm Edwards says "you play to win the game" period.  I think we're involving as an offense and game plan to exploit the team we're playing.  Some would say is this going to mess with Alex's psyche, I say it shouldn't as long as we win. wink

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Posted: 10/04/2012 9:23 AM

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I don't think it is going to mess with Alex's mind because there is no QB controversy.  Harbaugh is very firm in that Smith is the starter, the fans are applauding Smith as the starter, no one in the media  (At least that I have seen/heard) have called to replace Smith with CK.  That being said I think Alex is very comfortable with Roman just useing CK as another weapon to give opposition DC's something more to worry about.

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Posted: 10/04/2012 9:09 PM

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pudding wrote: To Cosell, football is still, ultimately, about beating the other opponent. If you have man coverage on a wideout, you bet your man can beat the other man. If you are going to do a power run to the strong side, you're betting that you can move the chains even if they stack 8 men in the box to try and stop you. Executiion, to Cosell, is more impressive than what he sees as gimmicks.

Back in the old days you could rely on pure talent and willpower to beat opposing teams, but with league parity, the talent level from team to team has declined to where you need clever coordinators to help you beat the other team.  Steve Young in his playing days once said that "if we just execute, there's nothing the defense can do to stop us".  That was true back when the 49er teams were so stacked that their backup players could probably start on other teams, but in today's NFL it's not true anymore.

As for "gimmicks", probably half the plays in a game are gimmick plays.  They may not SEEM like gimmicks to regular fans, like a fake punt or double reverse is a gimimck, but they are meant to deceive the opponent....  so I call them gimmicks plays
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Posted: 10/05/2012 11:44 AM

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I think that's a bit of an exaggeration; that or you may not realize how prevalent the 'gimmick' plays you think are gimmicks have been. Executing plays, at its core, remains the key to good football. You can't gimmick your way to good pass protection or good run blocking play after play, which is Cosell's point. The 49ers, however, do not do that. That's the nuance I was trying to make. They may line up in different formations, but that's not, in and of itself, a gimmick.

New formations, or running several different options out of a single set has been a part of football for a long time. If you think the plays that try to 'deceive' an opposing team by simply lining up to 'show' a certain play is a gimmick, then you could argue almost every play is a gimmick. Play-action, at its core, is about deception. Roman has simply found some new ways to use run various plays out of different formations. It's, in reality, just a progression of what has been a part of offensive play calling for a long time.
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Posted: 10/05/2012 3:50 PM

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Jackmaul wrote:
CDC84 wrote: According to NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell, Roman's offensive creativity on Sunday wasn't necessarily a positive. With the 49ers going heavily to the unconventional, his view is that the 49ers might not have a firm peg in which to hang their offensive hat.See the article below:

blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/10/...-on-alex-smith/

"Now they are trying to manufacture offense rather than executing offense, and I don’t think that manufacturing offense in today’s NFL wins Super Bowls,” Cosell said Monday on KNBR-AM’s Fitz and Brooks show. Cosell has been breaking down film for over 30 years at NFL Films.

“I think the teams that compete have a stable offense, whether it’s run, pass or both with consistency and they are not looking to manufacture offense on a week to week basis. The way they won yesterday might raise more questions than answers.”
Yeah, read this article and made me think.  I have faith in Alex Smith. Legitimate concerns but I don't have that fear for various reasons.  I feel the offense has shown growth and will continue to get better.
I read this article and thought it was ridiculous.   This coaching staff and team is 17-5.   You can call it manufacturing or executing or whatever you want...   but you still have to execute "manufactured" plays as far as I am concerned.    The jets tried to "manufacture" some plays with Tebow and for the most part failed badly.  The difference?  Execution. 

I thought that was a pointless article without merit.  Sure our offense can improve, especially the passing game, and I think it will as the season goes on.  We have had a lot of dropped passes and some missed opportunities by Smith, but I think they will clean that up in time.  Considering Moss and Manningham are new to this team and offense, the only guy who so far as stood out as regressing is Walker who has dropped too many easy catches.

Some of the wrinkles that Roman is putting in I think are great.  For instance, Kaepernick came in for two plays and then Smith came back in...  Kaepernick heads over toward the sideline, and unbuckles his chin strap...  just before stepping off the field, he stops and buckles up his chinstrap and lines up as a WR...   the Jets have to call a timeout because the niners are in a bunch formation and they are not prepared.  That might seem like a little thing, but thats some genius coaching in my opinion.  Love it.



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