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RE: draft grades and post draft roster thoughts

Posted: 04/30/2012 5:47 PM

RE: draft grades and post draft roster thoughts 


The highlight of the draft might be how the 49ers parlayed that 92nd pick into a 3rd, 5th and 6th next year.

Posted: 04/30/2012 10:13 PM

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pudding wrote: I definitely think that the draft does need to consider the stockpile of extra picks they got next year. That, imo, changes the complexion of this draft considerably. By maneuvering down from the 93 pick to eventually the 117 pick, they gained a boatload of additional picks that could be used to move up or, as they did this year, trade out to the following year (and gaining a round, potentially, in the process).

I thought Mike Sando, of ESPN's NFC West blog, boiled down the exchange pretty well thusly:


Dropping from 92nd to 117th and from 125th to 180th was the net price San Francisco paid for these moves. Those drops represented a combined 98.6-point drop on the standard trade-value chart, which equates to roughly the 100th overall choice in the draft.

Put another way, it's as though the 49ers had said, "Hey, we'll trade you an early fourth-round pick this year for third-, fifth- and sixth-rounders next year."

Posted: 05/04/2012 2:29 AM

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Question:  How much better of a prospect is Amini Silatolu (6-4 311, 5.42 forty, 28 reps), Cordy Glenn (6-6 345, 5.15 forty, 31 reps) than Joe Looney (6-3 309, 5.02 forty, 26 reps) for the Niners?

Or is this an apples to oranges to bananas question!

Same could be compared of the other picks but wanted to focus on Joe Looney.  Perhaps Jason Slowey as well.

Posted: 05/04/2012 6:08 AM

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We had an Al Davis Draft, Speed and Playmakers. Actually I will not question this draft until I see how they pan out, I think we should get more flack if we took AJ at #7. happy with the Picks

Posted: 05/04/2012 8:35 AM

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The only question I have with Looney is he graded out above average or average in all areas with one exception and that is durability.

  Now with some positions that factor is not as important as it is for others.  However as an OL man where you’re getting knocked around on every snap of the ball that is a factor that concerns me. You can have all the physical, mental, and emotional skills in the world but if you can’t stay healthy enough to stay on the field all those skills are of little value to the team and we really do need a dependable RG.

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Posted: 05/04/2012 10:51 AM

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I don't know that his durability is as big an issue as some scouts have made it sound. If you're using Scout Inc.'s rating, it's definitely a little skewed. They gave him a below average because he was hurt at the Senior Bowl. Scout Inc. tends to downgrade players more if they are 'currently' injured, as Looney was. 'Current' injuries do tend to drop a player's draft positioning, and Scout, Inc. likes to try and weigh that into their grading more than other services do.

Prior to his foot injury at the Senior Bowl, he missed two games due to an ankle injury. That's not exactly screaming "injury prone," although there are other aspects of his build/technique that may be more reason for concern (i.e., he's described as a little top heavy and a waist-bender, which can make him posture-prone to strains, etc.). Generally speaking, any player coming off an injury has to be monitored, but I don't know that his history suggests he's a guy who is constantly battling injury.

Peter Konz, for example, has injured his ankles three times, including a re-aggravation during the Rose Bowl this year that prevented him from working out at the combine. That would appear to be more of a potentially chronic issue (i.e., repetitive injury) to be wary of than Looney's.

At least the 49ers have some depth at the position, though. The battle for RG should be an interesting camp competition to watch.

Posted: 05/04/2012 10:59 AM

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rumor has it that brandon jacobs might get some reps there too, given the current logjam at RB. tongue

lol- i saw a pic of him in a story yesterday and he looked like a beast! i know he's an easy 260 but he looked like a DE or massive OLB, not a RB. wow. eek

Last edited 05/04/2012 10:59 AM by higherwarrior

Posted: 05/04/2012 11:42 AM

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CBS just did a "who is at risk".  Interesting, they said they thought Jacobs was the odd man out since Dixon can play full back.  I don't see that, since we signed Jacobs knowing that and drafting LMJ doesn't really change.  They also said LMJ doesn't play special teams, but that isn't consistent with his return duties (although not a ton) in college.  They did say that Kyle keeps getting glowing reviews from management, notwithstanding his debacle in the playoffs.  Interestingly, they said Flemming might move inside and Travis was at risk. 

I still think Williams makes the squad, given he's a good 3rd/4th WR and will make a nice pair with Jenkins (we still need a No. 1 down the road, but we'll have much more punch).  I think Looney makes the squad, but the other guy and Cam are PS material.  I definitely could see Flemming moving inside as a protection for when Grant leaves.  I know in College guys move inside all the time, but don't know if Flemming could back up OLB for this year and then move, which would be ideal.  Still think ultimately we need back ups at both those positions, and just don't know if Cam ever gets strong enough to play that role. 

To me, Cartwright, Travis and Ginn are the guys at risk.  They have "only" ST value, and this year's draft has a bunch of guys that are ST plus (same is also true of Cox).

Posted: 05/04/2012 12:02 PM

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i think gooden and haralson are at risk too. depending how the young rookie LBs do.

i'm betting williams make it even though it's way too early to know how it'll play out. he's young and talented.

Posted: 05/04/2012 12:35 PM

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I don't think Haralson is at risk unless he utterly bombs in the off-season. With Aldon Smith set to start with Ahmad Brooks, Haralson is the team's only proven reserve outside linebacker who can generate pressure on the quarterback. They need depth in addition to Haralson, not instead of him.

Last edited 05/04/2012 1:02 PM by Minstrel

Posted: 05/04/2012 12:51 PM

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I definitely think Tavares Gooden's spot could be in jeopardy. As I noted before, I think Flemming's skill-set seems to speak to him being more of a ILB in the 3-4 than an OLB (sort of the opposite of Brooks, who started off inside but moved outside). If both he and Johnson make the squad, I think Gooden would be gone, with Flemming getting some opportunities to backup inside.

Posted: 05/04/2012 3:57 PM

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Yeah, I agree. I'm not even sure if it would take Cam making the team.  We need Flemming ot move in side, and I could see three LBs as back ups, and Cam on the practice squad just in case.  Then next year we have Flemming and Haralson, and then we go get back up OLB and ILB.  And maybe Cam can step in if he's healthy enough.  I hope so, but I also worry about it (as much for his own health as anything).

Posted: 05/04/2012 10:12 PM

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A player I really like from the UDFA list other than Owusu is OLB Kourtnei Brown, 6-4 256 who ran a 4.70 forty. 
He also had 26 reps.  He earned an ACC weekly award for his game against North Carolina.

Hopefully he can perform better than the other Courtney Brown out of Penn State.

Posted: 07/03/2012 3:35 AM

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Looking back at the draft, AJ Jenkins & LaMichael James, I see couple things in common.  Speed and cutting ability.  One quote I read from CBS Sportline is that Jenkins is an improved route runner with sharp cuts in & out of his breaks.

For LaMichael James, all you have to do is watch ALL his highlights that is on the internet!  Even his so-so performances against the SEC. 

I was really hot on the Kendall Wright bandwagon but I think the Niners got a better playmaker in James.  Maybe even the best RB after Trent Richardson.

Though I support Trent Baalke and his decisions, I can't help but think of Coby Fleener being part of the offense.  Randy Moss, VD & Coby Fleener together would have been solid redzone targets!
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