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Michael Crabtree's controversial comments

Posted: 10/04/2010 1:05 PM

Michael Crabtree's controversial comments 


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"I just got back from the 49ers’ locker room down here in Santa Clara. We spoke to Michael Crabtree, asked how new offensive coordinator Mike Johnson did on Sunday. This is what Crabtree said:

“Mike Johnson did his thing. He did what he was supposed to do. He got everybody the ball. Only thing is, Mike Johnson can’t throw the ball. He can just call plays.”

When Crabtree said that, many reporters exchanged glances. You could take Crabtree’s words one of two ways:

He was making a general statement about coaches not being able to play – players play and must execute. Players say this all the time.

Or Crabtree was saying Johnson called good plays but Alex Smith did not execute well enough. If Crabtree meant No. 2, he was taking a shot at his quarterback.

I honestly don’t know what he meant. I’m just telling you what he said."

 

--Lowell Cohn

Last edited 10/04/2010 1:08 PM by NinerNation07

Posted: 10/04/2010 1:11 PM

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NinerNation07 wrote: LINK

"I just got back from the 49ers’ locker room down here in Santa Clara. We spoke to Michael Crabtree, asked how new offensive coordinator Mike Johnson did on Sunday. This is what Crabtree said:

“Mike Johnson did his thing. He did what he was supposed to do. He got everybody the ball. Only thing is, Mike Johnson can’t throw the ball. He can just call plays.”

When Crabtree said that, many reporters exchanged glances. You could take Crabtree’s words one of two ways:

He was making a general statement about coaches not being able to play – players play and must execute. Players say this all the time.

Or Crabtree was saying Johnson called good plays but Alex Smith did not execute well enough. If Crabtree meant No. 2, he was taking a shot at his quarterback.

I honestly don’t know what he meant. I’m just telling you what he said."

 

--Lowell Cohn

Sounds like a direct shot at Smith to me. While I agree with the criticism, it is unprofessional for Crabtree to make that comment. He should be focused on his own game which hasn't exactly reached a pro bowl level yet.

Posted: 10/04/2010 1:14 PM

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I don't see how that cannot be seen as taking a shot at Alex Smith. My problem with this is that Crabtree has absolutely no room to talk. I know Singletary is too afraid to take Crabtree down a peg or two, so I really hope our new HC next year is tough enough to deal with this diva who appears to be nothing more than a possession WR.

Posted: 10/04/2010 1:20 PM

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NinerNation07 wrote: I don't see how that cannot be seen as taking a shot at Alex Smith. My problem with this is that Crabtree has absolutely no room to talk. I know Singletary is too afraid to take Crabtree down a peg or two, so I really hope our new HC next year is tough enough to deal with this diva who appears to be nothing more than a possession WR.
Tim Kawakami said earlier this season that he had never seen a young player that was given so much veteran courtesy in camp as Crabtree received. Davis called Crabtree out, I wish Sing would do the same. The last thing this team needs is turmoil amongst the players.

Posted: 10/04/2010 1:23 PM

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The relationship between QB and WR is one of the most important on offense.  This one is falling apart already.  It's like Garica-Owens all over again, except at least Garcia-Owens performed well on the field.

Next up:  Smith strikes back in the Chronicle that Crabtree is gay

Posted: 10/04/2010 1:27 PM

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questfor6 wrote:
NinerNation07 wrote: I don't see how that cannot be seen as taking a shot at Alex Smith. My problem with this is that Crabtree has absolutely no room to talk. I know Singletary is too afraid to take Crabtree down a peg or two, so I really hope our new HC next year is tough enough to deal with this diva who appears to be nothing more than a possession WR.
Tim Kawakami said earlier this season that he had never seen a young player that was given so much veteran courtesy in camp as Crabtree received. Davis called Crabtree out, I wish Sing would do the same. The last thing this team needs is turmoil amongst the players.
Yeah, when those reports came out, I dismissed them because I was really excited about the season, and bought in to all the hype surrounding the team. Looking back, I should have been very concerned that Crabtree would be fine with skipping practice, and that Singletary would allow it. This season has 'Disaster' written all over it. ohlord

Posted: 10/04/2010 1:30 PM

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40ninerfan wrote:

Next up:  Smith strikes back in the Chronicle that Crabtree is gay
So that's why he has 1,000 pairs of shoeswink All this situation needs is for Crabtree to talk to Smith because you know the reporters are going to ask Smith about the comments. A simple apology can do wonders.

Posted: 10/04/2010 1:32 PM

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NinerNation07 wrote: LINK

"I just got back from the 49ers’ locker room down here in Santa Clara. We spoke to Michael Crabtree, asked how new offensive coordinator Mike Johnson did on Sunday. This is what Crabtree said:

“Mike Johnson did his thing. He did what he was supposed to do. He got everybody the ball. Only thing is, Mike Johnson can’t throw the ball. He can just call plays.”

When Crabtree said that, many reporters exchanged glances. You could take Crabtree’s words one of two ways:

He was making a general statement about coaches not being able to play – players play and must execute. Players say this all the time.

Or Crabtree was saying Johnson called good plays but Alex Smith did not execute well enough. If Crabtree meant No. 2, he was taking a shot at his quarterback.

I honestly don’t know what he meant. I’m just telling you what he said."

 

--Lowell Cohn

Either way he's right.
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Posted: 10/04/2010 1:56 PM

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i dont care which way he meant it..bc either way he is rigtht...alex smith is awful get rid of him or bench him or something

Posted: 10/04/2010 2:26 PM

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I honestly can’t recall the last time I heard of a ROOKIE come out of the NCAA and walk into the NFL and play 2 seasons without playing 1 single pre-season game and basically be allowed to skip training camp.  Smith is what he is and almost all of us have come to accept that like it or not.  But Smith paid his dues, he endured TC’s and pre-season and laid is body on the line trying to play hurt, while the Diva with the mouth has earned nothing.  Talk about moves….I would move this loud mouth before he divides the locker room and the rest of the league figures out what he really is….dump the chump while we can still get something for him.  ohlord

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Posted: 10/04/2010 2:28 PM

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Now you know why I want Mallet!
No need to think you won't succeed if he is QB.
Have full feel for this guy and he will prove out.

Posted: 10/04/2010 3:56 PM

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40ninerfan wrote:
The relationship between QB and WR is one of the most important on offense.  This one is falling apart already.  It's like Garica-Owens all over again, except at least Garcia-Owens performed well on the field.

Next up:  Smith strikes back in the Chronicle that Crabtree is gay

Next up:  Hilarious!!
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Posted: 10/04/2010 5:03 PM

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Gdnwht

100 percent agree and well put.  (Not sure if I'm ready to trade him yet but everybody has a price)  Where does Crabtree get off?  He held out, then was coddled then was called out.  He should shut his mouth and work on producing.
gldnwht wrote:

I honestly can’t recall the last time I heard of a ROOKIE come out of the NCAA and walk into the NFL and play 2 seasons without playing 1 single pre-season game and basically be allowed to skip training camp. Smith is what he is and almost all of us have come to accept that like it or not. But Smith paid his dues, he endured TC’s and pre-season and laid is body on the line trying to play hurt, while the Diva with the mouth has earned nothing. Talk about moves….I would move this loud mouth before he divides the locker room and the rest of the league figures out what he really is….dump the chump while we can still get something for him.  ohlord

Posted: 10/04/2010 5:15 PM

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FWIW - Tim Kawakami noted that he doesn't think Crabtree's comment was meant as it's been taken. Crabtree and Smith were seen joking in the locker room shortly after those comments.

I understand the frustration with the team and the sentiments towards Crabtree, but I think it's important to stop feeling like it's time to jump off a cliff or to ream every player for every comment taken out of context. By all appearances, Crabtree meant it the first way (meaning, the players need to execute -- this is not all on Alex; you could consider it a point to himself, as well, as he should be well aware that his poorly run routes early led to some bad throws and INTs, as well).

I think Crabtree can still be a very effective WR, and rather than jumping to conclusions and wanting to seel him for pennies on the dollar, I'd rather see him earn his pay. The kid's got talent, and I'd like to see him be part of the solution.
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Posted: 10/04/2010 5:40 PM

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I didn't read the whole story so if it is the case that he wasn't pointing the finger then I'll take back my comments.  The way things have gone I sort of assumed the worst. 
pudding wrote: FWIW - Tim Kawakami noted that he doesn't think Crabtree's comment was meant as it's been taken. Crabtree and Smith were seen joking in the locker room shortly after those comments.

I understand the frustration with the team and the sentiments towards Crabtree, but I think it's important to stop feeling like it's time to jump off a cliff or to ream every player for every comment taken out of context. By all appearances, Crabtree meant it the first way (meaning, the players need to execute -- this is not all on Alex; you could consider it a point to himself, as well, as he should be well aware that his poorly run routes early led to some bad throws and INTs, as well).

I think Crabtree can still be a very effective WR, and rather than jumping to conclusions and wanting to seel him for pennies on the dollar, I'd rather see him earn his pay. The kid's got talent, and I'd like to see him be part of the solution.
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Posted: 10/04/2010 5:47 PM

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gldnwht wrote:

I honestly can’t recall the last time I heard of a ROOKIE come out of the NCAA and walk into the NFL and play 2 seasons without playing 1 single pre-season game and basically be allowed to skip training camp.  Smith is what he is and almost all of us have come to accept that like it or not.  But Smith paid his dues, he endured TC’s and pre-season and laid is body on the line trying to play hurt, while the Diva with the mouth has earned nothing.  Talk about moves….I would move this loud mouth before he divides the locker room and the rest of the league figures out what he really is….dump the chump while we can still get something for him.  ohlord

Let me be the voice of dissent here. Though his comments  might not have been the best for team camraderie and not appropriate, l see this as a vote of no confidence in QB Alex Smith who has been dismal so far at the quarter pole. A few years ago, Jim Irsay of the Colts hit the nail on the head when he said he thought it was time for the owners and the NFLPA to revisit this issue of draft picks and compensation. He noted that as much as high draft picks panning out was an inexact science, it placed teams at the top of the draft whose picks flopped in a very uncomfortable position financially. Just look at our own draft pick of 2005. Where are we after 6 years? Just this pick which did not blossom  like we thought has prevented us from taking our rightful place in the NFL and kept us among the down trodden. It seems to me that in the past any player  who made a comment  about Alex Smith was sent packing. Anthonio Bryant was frustrated, made some sly comments and was released after a drunk driving accident. Jackson from Seattle was  also released because he did not get along or trust Alex Smith or something. You can not change a whore into a housewife but is there anybody outside the Niners family who believes this guy is the real deal? Diva is what Crabtree might be but he said what needs to be said. If he can get away by not playing the preseason with the full blessings from  Iron Mike, why not ? At least that shows you that maybe Sing plays favorites just like other head coaches.  He comes in after a protracted contract dispute and then in a few weeks, he is a starter right? But then  the whole world is told rookies have to earn their stripes. Let us lose this game to the Eagles and l bet you will hear more hilarious comments. Maybe, it might be time to try something different. l don't know if we can beat the Eagles or not but expect to see a lot of run right and throw aways from Alex Smith  on Sunday night.

Posted: 10/04/2010 6:40 PM

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Definitely hope that a rookie salary cap is apart of the new collective bargaining agreement as these rookies get all this guaranteed money on the same level and in most cases more than proven players and don't produce on a high level, leaving bad teams with a higher cap # and still bad, because they took a player that didn't help elevate their organization.
chaucer1 wrote:
Let me be the voice of dissent here. Though his comments  might not have been the best for team camraderie and not appropriate, l see this as a vote of no confidence in QB Alex Smith who has been dismal so far at the quarter pole. A few years ago, Jim Irsay of the Colts hit the nail on the head when he said he thought it was time for the owners and the NFLPA to revisit this issue of draft picks and compensation. He noted that as much as high draft picks panning out was an inexact science, it placed teams at the top of the draft whose picks flopped in a very uncomfortable position financially. Just look at our own draft pick of 2005. Where are we after 6 years? Just this pick which did not blossom  like we thought has prevented us from taking our rightful place in the NFL and kept us among the down trodden. It seems to me that in the past any player  who made a comment  about Alex Smith was sent packing. Anthonio Bryant was frustrated, made some sly comments and was released after a drunk driving accident. Jackson from Seattle was  also released because he did not get along or trust Alex Smith or something. You can not change a whore into a housewife but is there anybody outside the Niners family who believes this guy is the real deal? Diva is what Crabtree might be but he said what needs to be said. If he can get away by not playing the preseason with the full blessings from  Iron Mike, why not ? At least that shows you that maybe Sing plays favorites just like other head coaches.  He comes in after a protracted contract dispute and then in a few weeks, he is a starter right? But then  the whole world is told rookies have to earn their stripes. Let us lose this game to the Eagles and l bet you will hear more hilarious comments. Maybe, it might be time to try something different. l don't know if we can beat the Eagles or not but expect to see a lot of run right and throw aways from Alex Smith  on Sunday night.

Posted: 10/04/2010 6:51 PM

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much ado about nothing.

Posted: 10/05/2010 7:36 AM

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higherwarrior wrote: much ado about nothing.
Oh Great!  Now we have to put up with Shakespear as welltonguetonguetongue

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Last edited 10/05/2010 8:58 AM by gldnwht

Posted: 10/05/2010 10:43 AM

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Michael Crabmisinterpreted.

It's long, but catchy.

Posted: 10/05/2010 1:19 PM

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Chaucer1,

Very well said comments about Crabtree.  To be honest as a former player and current coach I have to say I would have sat his "primadonna A$$"  out the first game of the season with a paycut for trying to dodge preseason and training camp with (minor) injuries.  I don't like his attitude especially given that I am starting to assess him more as an overpaid possession receiver or a #2 WR than more of a game changing #1 type WR.

But it is truly hard to deny that Alex Smiths' lack of ability to make consistently accurate throws or make plays when under pressure (there I go repeating myself for three years nowbanghead) has alienated some talented receivers.  Playmakers want other playmakers around them especially the main distributor of the football at QB!!You failed to mention not just Antonio Bryant who was IMO the best WR we have had since T. Owens left.  Which please check my previous posts from seasons ago I was FURIOUS NOLAN CUT HIM BECAUSE OF A BOGUS DUI which was really about his criticism of Smith's inability to play QB.  

But others have also stated displeasure with Smiths ability after leaving the organization.  You mentioned Darrell Jackson but also Brandon Lloyd who has been very productive in Denver with Kyle Orton the past 2 seasons.  And I know by the looks on Vernon Davis'  face this season after watching that KC game when he broke open TWICE on seam routes and Smith got pressure, then got happy feet and proceeded to dump off inaccurately to backs underneath. NO PLAYMAKING ABILITY or  inability to stay composed and keep plays alive under pressure makes for discontented WR's and TE's and RB's.  Not to mention it makes for  horrible 3rd down conversion efficiency (which as I have previously stated has been one of the glaring problems in the Alex Smith era).  

I am just glad I am no longer being villainized for my perceived "too" quick assesments of QB Smith not being a QB that can lead the Niners to the promised land.  I said then I say it now..QB Smith is a career NFL back-up QB.  He has some ability but he is flat out not  consistently good enough to lead the Niners or any other team to an NFL championship.
chaucer1 wrote:
gldnwht wrote:

I honestly can’t recall the last time I heard of a ROOKIE come out of the NCAA and walk into the NFL and play 2 seasons without playing 1 single pre-season game and basically be allowed to skip training camp.  Smith is what he is and almost all of us have come to accept that like it or not.  But Smith paid his dues, he endured TC’s and pre-season and laid is body on the line trying to play hurt, while the Diva with the mouth has earned nothing.  Talk about moves….I would move this loud mouth before he divides the locker room and the rest of the league figures out what he really is….dump the chump while we can still get something for him.  ohlord

Let me be the voice of dissent here. Though his comments  might not have been the best for team camraderie and not appropriate, l see this as a vote of no confidence in QB Alex Smith who has been dismal so far at the quarter pole. A few years ago, Jim Irsay of the Colts hit the nail on the head when he said he thought it was time for the owners and the NFLPA to revisit this issue of draft picks and compensation. He noted that as much as high draft picks panning out was an inexact science, it placed teams at the top of the draft whose picks flopped in a very uncomfortable position financially. Just look at our own draft pick of 2005. Where are we after 6 years? Just this pick which did not blossom  like we thought has prevented us from taking our rightful place in the NFL and kept us among the down trodden. It seems to me that in the past any player  who made a comment  about Alex Smith was sent packing. Anthonio Bryant was frustrated, made some sly comments and was released after a drunk driving accident. Jackson from Seattle was  also released because he did not get along or trust Alex Smith or something. You can not change a whore into a housewife but is there anybody outside the Niners family who believes this guy is the real deal? Diva is what Crabtree might be but he said what needs to be said. If he can get away by not playing the preseason with the full blessings from  Iron Mike, why not ? At least that shows you that maybe Sing plays favorites just like other head coaches.  He comes in after a protracted contract dispute and then in a few weeks, he is a starter right? But then  the whole world is told rookies have to earn their stripes. Let us lose this game to the Eagles and l bet you will hear more hilarious comments. Maybe, it might be time to try something different. l don't know if we can beat the Eagles or not but expect to see a lot of run right and throw aways from Alex Smith  on Sunday night.

Last edited 10/05/2010 1:21 PM by shaynedub

Posted: 10/05/2010 2:38 PM

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Besides beginning to known as a "Coach Killer", we might need to add "Wide Receiver Killer" to the list for Alex Smith. We've seen a bunch of good WRs come and go and do nothing on the field, most likely because Alex Smith is such a horrible QB. Here's a quck list of all the guys I could think of off the top of my head who were supposed to be good WRs but faltered receiving for Smith:

Brandon Jones
Brandon Lloyd
Darrell Jackson
Ashlie Lelie
Ted Ginn Jr (jury still out, but little to be impressed with including preseason)

Even some of our own who initially came in lighting it up, but have not looked nearly as great after some time with Smith:

Josh Morgan
Micheal Crabtree

And you better believe that ultra talented Vernon Davis would be singularly holding the TE record for TDs in a season with a better QB.

Again, this list is not all inclusive, so feel free to add the ones I forgot.

Last edited 10/06/2010 8:05 AM by IMustBreakU

Posted: 10/05/2010 2:46 PM

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You can blame smith for a fair amount of things, but the of WRS you listed were never stars when they got here. 

Brandon Jones -- Third string WR.  Are you going to blame Smith for his injuries too?
Brandon Lloyd -- Llyod is having the best start to his season, but hadnt broken 400 yards reciving since leaving the team.
Darrell Jackson -- Guys was past his prime and fizzled out of the league a year after being on the niners.
Ashlie Lelie -- Really??? 
Ted Ginn Jr (jury still out, but little to be impressed with including preseason) -- He was known as a bust before he was traded to the 49ers.

this list makes no sense at all.

Posted: 10/05/2010 3:14 PM

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Precisely. That comment makes absolutely no sense, especially since it's built on the premise that a WR could get so discombobulated by playing (in some cases) 1/2 a season with a QB that they just can't compete anymore in any circumstance.

Last I checked, Smith didn't break Brandon Jones' shoulder in training camp or kill Lelie's playing time in Denver. Don't forget that in Jackson and Lelie's case, too, they played the majority of that season with Shaun Hill, not Alex Smith. So, using your logic, you should call Shaun Hill the WR killer. rolleyes

Posted: 10/05/2010 3:35 PM

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For the sake of this thread I don’t really care if Smith is the worst QB that ever played the game, which I don’t believe he is.  But just for arguments sake let’s say he is.  If he is going to be hung out in the media, that’s his coaches job not the job of a rookie WR.  True or not Grabgreed was way out of line.

 

 I also stand-by my statement that in my many years of watching Football I have never seen a rookie come out of college, hold out of training camp, and pre-season and part of the regular season, then the following year get a “stiff neck” and again miss training camp and pre-season and still be allowed to play much less be inserted as the #1 WR. Now there are a lot of you out there that have a lot more experience than I do in the game, I only played HS ball, but if you didn’t practice you didn’t play and that was a fact. The team is going through a real rough time right now and everyone especially Alex Smith is very aware of it and he really doesn’t need some young loud mouth that hasn’t even paid his dues yet airing it out in the press.

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Posted: 10/05/2010 3:53 PM

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IMustBreakU wrote:
Even some of our own who initially came it lighting it up, but have not looked nearly as great after some time with Smith:

Josh Morgan
Micheal Crabtree

Michael Crabtree has played his entire NFL career with Smith at quarterback. So last season, he lit it up with Smith, but after spending a little time with him, Smith stole his ability to make plays? A wide receiver does fine early with a quarterback but fails after more experience with the same quarterback?

Does this makes sense even in your own mind?

Posted: 10/05/2010 4:11 PM

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Minstrel wrote:
IMustBreakU wrote:
Even some of our own who initially came it lighting it up, but have not looked nearly as great after some time with Smith:

Josh Morgan
Micheal Crabtree

Michael Crabtree has played his entire NFL career with Smith at quarterback. So last season, he lit it up with Smith, but after spending a little time with him, Smith stole his ability to make plays? A wide receiver does fine early with a quarterback but fails after more experience with the same quarterback?

Does this makes sense even in your own mind?
Especially when that WR has what, 13 games in the pro's under his belt....not even a full season, yeah that's the kind of professional I want evaluating my QB and shooting his mouth off in the press about him.

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Posted: 10/05/2010 5:17 PM

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gldnwht wrote:

Especially when that WR has what, 13 games in the pro's under his belt....not even a full season, yeah that's the kind of professional I want evaluating my QB and shooting his mouth off in the press about him.

Did you read the thread? It seems pretty apparent that Crabtree was not critiquing Alex Smith.

Posted: 10/05/2010 5:26 PM

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Precisely. gldnwht.. I'm not sure you caught the fact that Crabtree was found to be joking with Smith not 10 minutes after the comments were made. Lowell Cohn's interpretation of the intent seems to have been off. I think Crabtree was more likely saying that the players have to execute the plays; Mike Johnson can only draw the plays up.

Now, it might have been a subconscious thing that led him to say coach "can't pass the ball," but it doesn't appear that he was trying to throw Smith under the bus.
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Posted: 10/05/2010 10:10 PM

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Crabtree is trying to say in so many words that Alex Smith isn't getting the ball to where it needs to get to (aka, the playmakers).

it's not hard to decifer.

it's pure frustration, and it's begining to boil over.
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