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Alex Smith accuracy.....

Posted: 08/15/2010 1:28 PM

Alex Smith accuracy..... 


Sorry everyone, but I have to say it (and yes I know it is preseason).  Alex Smith is STILL overthrowing people and his accuracy continues to be a concern.  Please remember that this IS HIS YEAR to show what he has or go away so he needs to step up and throw better than that.  Today was less than impressive to say the least.  Also, Anthony Davis.....are we REALLY sure he should be starting yet?

Posted: 08/15/2010 1:38 PM

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Alex needs to improve alot, it is preseason though, but still, that pass to VD should be in front of him, leading him, not behind him. Maybe he thought Davis was going to a different place, I don't know, but 1 thing I do know is that if this happens in the regular season Alex will be in doubt.

As to A.Davis, he is a project that the Niners hope will grow and develop as he plays. I don't see the Niners going back to Snyder there, or Sims for that matter.

Posted: 08/15/2010 1:41 PM

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Well in Alex's defense....   I don't recall a single preseason game where he did anything fantastic.  I think everything clicks when he is in a real game.  BUT if he plays an average season I would want to look for a new QB.  I believe we do have a superbowl roster and a stud QB will get us there.
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Posted: 08/15/2010 1:42 PM

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Careful now, don't be saying bad things about Alex Smith on this web site otherwise you will verbally punished.  There are reasons why he is inaccurate that are beyond his control.

I thought Nate Davis looked great and Carr started very jittery but got into nice rhythm.

I am still beaming about Dixon. I hope his pass protect holds up because he is a bruising runner.....and can catch to boot.


RABIDWolverine34 wrote:
Sorry everyone, but I have to say it (and yes I know it is preseason).  Alex Smith is STILL overthrowing people and his accuracy continues to be a concern.  Please remember that this IS HIS YEAR to show what he has or go away so he needs to step up and throw better than that.  Today was less than impressive to say the least.  Also, Anthony Davis.....are we REALLY sure he should be starting yet?
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Posted: 08/15/2010 3:08 PM

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Young83 wrote: Well in Alex's defense....   I don't recall a single preseason game where he did anything fantastic.  I think everything clicks when he is in a real game.  BUT if he plays an average season I would want to look for a new QB.  I believe we do have a superbowl roster and a stud QB will get us there.
i just posted this the other day.

Alex stinks in the preseason, and by next week against the Vikings, people will call for Nate Davis to take over.

it's PRESEASON.

Posted: 08/15/2010 3:21 PM

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Carr must have looked good. It seems as though he's not a good practice player, but he does well in the games. When the Giants first got him there was talk that he looked horrible in practice and was in danger of being released in favor of Anthony Wright. Then he performed real well in the preseason games.

I'm rooting both him and Smith to do well.

Posted: 08/15/2010 3:23 PM

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Posted: 08/15/2010 6:53 PM

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Could you provide examples of the accuracy issues that you're specifically referring to?

The Pass to Vernon Davis should have been a touchdown, but it was a miscommunication between he and Davis.  When I was watching the game I actually chastised Davis for continuing his route to the post even though he was open.  We teach our receivers to break off routes when you're wide open and to adjust to the QB's throw.

Delanie Walker should have caught that interception that was tipped, although it was high.

Ginn had a Drop and I believe it was Jason HIll that also had drop.

That's 4 passes and one would have been for a TD>

RABIDWolverine34 wrote: Sorry everyone, but I have to say it (and yes I know it is preseason).  Alex Smith is STILL overthrowing people and his accuracy continues to be a concern.  Please remember that this IS HIS YEAR to show what he has or go away so he needs to step up and throw better than that.  Today was less than impressive to say the least.  Also, Anthony Davis.....are we REALLY sure he should be starting yet?

Last edited 08/15/2010 6:57 PM by plannb23

Posted: 08/15/2010 6:57 PM

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Didn't see the game but it will re-air tommorrow morning at  9 am. from what i saw on the high lights the pick will go against him but it looks like Walker should have caught that.

Posted: 08/15/2010 8:07 PM

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plannb23 wrote: \Delanie Walker should have caught that interception that was tipped, although it was high.

Smith was unlucky to get an interception, but a certain number of his tipped-ball interceptions are caused by his overthrow tendency. So while he has had some bad luck over the years, it's not all bad luck (the tipped ball picks, I mean).

Posted: 08/15/2010 8:48 PM

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Give it a rest, martyr!
TD49ers wrote: Careful now, don't be saying bad things about Alex Smith on this web site otherwise you will verbally punished.  There are reasons why he is inaccurate that are beyond his control.

Posted: 08/15/2010 9:14 PM

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Smith had a few bad throws, he didn't do anything terrible, the interception wasn't his fault, and the offensive line wasn't too good, Iupati was good but Davis was not, he has a lot of work to do after watching game 1, hope he is ready for week 1 or Smith could take a beating

Posted: 08/15/2010 10:06 PM

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Okay, coming to Alex Smith's defense .  After looking at the stat box, it seems like Michael Robinson did Alex Smith no favors as far as the run game goes.  David Carr & Nate Davis had the benefit of solid running behind Anthony Dixon.

As far as throwing high, hopefully the receivers know his habits and helps out Smith!

Posted: 08/15/2010 11:14 PM

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I watched the game and I expected Alex to play better.  Say what you will, but he sailed balls high and missed Vernon while he was wide open.   One tip ball you can blame the receiver, two or three tipped balls and you gotta look at the QB.  Chest high passes aren't reutinely tipped. 

I expect him to play better next game or he may find himself in another QB competition. 

Posted: 08/15/2010 11:35 PM

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Disappointing game for Alex, overall, but it wasn't as disastrous as the stats make it seem. I agree that Smith has a tendency to overthrow that exacerbates the tipped-ball interception, but I thought that was a pretty good read on that throw to Delanie, and most likely would not be criticizing him for attempting that if it were a real game.

The throw to Davis was thrown behind him, and, whether Davis should have adjusted or not, it doesn't make up for the fact that if Smith had led Davis, it would have been a sure six points. Smith wasn't under a ton of pressure on that throw, so he had time to make a better read on where Davis was headed, imo.

It's pre-season game #1, though. As I've stated repeatedly, let me see how he looks when the games start to count. I want to see him with his 1st team through to the quarter pole. By then, we'll know if Smith is going to be making us all tear our hair out all season (or until he gets replaced), or if he's really going to take that next step that many hope he can.

It's inevitable that unless he has perfect games, though, he'll get constant heat from the media and from fans. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, and, in many respects, he doesn't totally deserve it. It won't change the fact, though, that what matters is not how vociferously frustrated fans yell, but how the coaching staff feels he's doing and how the team ends up playing in the end.
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Posted: 08/16/2010 3:15 AM

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Even a blind man can see that Smith struggles with his accuracy.  I wonder how many receivers he is going to put out of commission with his overthrows.  If Smith does not improve this year, he is a goner.  He has had enough chances, especially when we have more talented QB''s sitting on the bench.

Posted: 08/16/2010 4:16 AM

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dea49 wrote: Give it a rest, martyr!


cool

Posted: 08/16/2010 6:37 AM

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Who are the "MORE" talented guys that are sitting on the bench?
guy03 wrote: He has had enough chances, especially when we have more talented QB''s sitting on the bench.

Posted: 08/16/2010 7:39 AM

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Guy03 I agree with your first point, that if he doesn't shine this year he's doomed. The throw to Davis proves that he's still struggling with accuracy, and if that's the case through this season he needs to go. We as 9er fans want to win. The guy has had five years, enough is enough, period end of story!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: 08/16/2010 7:57 AM

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Well, the 1st preseason games is over…we beat the Colts…Hip-Hip-Hooray.  So much for that.  I enjoyed the game, it was just fun to see the NFL back in action 1st game jitters and blunders included. A lot of talk about Smith and this is his year to prove it…well, hell we all know that and I’m sure no one is more aware of it than Smith…again this is the 1st pre-season game.  I liked a lot of what I saw and agree pretty much with what I read, Dixon Mays et all…however it could be just me but it seems there was one name I have not seen mentioned and I believe the young man has a lot to offer and that is Keaton Kristick, for an un-drafted free agent this kid seemed to be all over the place, just a thought. Final thought DAM I’M GLAD THE WAITING IS OVER.   biggrin

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Last edited 08/16/2010 8:00 AM by gldnwht

Posted: 08/16/2010 8:49 AM

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Kristic reminds me of McKillop...McKillop tore up pre-season his rookie year too.

I like Bruce Davis and the Kristic signings alot.

Back to Smith though, No doubt that missed pass to VD was ugly but i was one of them who also thought VD should have broke off his route when he was open, i think that could have been as simple as a miscommunication between the two.
gldnwht wrote:

Well, the 1st preseason games is over…we beat the Colts…Hip-Hip-Hooray. So much for that. I enjoyed the game, it was just fun to see the NFL back in action 1st game jitters and blunders included. A lot of talk about Smith and this is his year to prove it…well, hell we all know that and I’m sure no one is more aware of it than Smith…again this is the 1st pre-season game. I liked a lot of what I saw and agree pretty much with what I read, Dixon Mays et all…however it could be just me but it seems there was one name I have not seen mentioned and I believe the young man has a lot to offer and that is Keaton Kristick, for an un-drafted free agent this kid seemed to be all over the place, just a thought. Final thought DAM I’M GLAD THE WAITING IS OVER. biggrin

Posted: 08/16/2010 9:22 AM

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On the station I was watching it on, CW31 out of Sacramento I believe, they interviewed Davis and he said that it was indeed a breakdown in communication between he and Alex.
tapptout wrote: i think that could have been as simple as a miscommunication between the two.

Posted: 08/16/2010 9:27 AM

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TopHog1 wrote: Guy03 I agree with your first point, that if he doesn't shine this year he's doomed. The throw to Davis proves that he's still struggling with accuracy, and if that's the case through this season he needs to go. We as 9er fans want to win. The guy has had five years, enough is enough, period end of story!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The throw to Davis was not so much accuracy as adjustment. He threw to the spot that the route specified; Davis broke inside on his post pattern, though, after reading the safety coverage. As Singletary and others noted, it's a route read that should be figured out by end of pre-season. That said, yes.. you'd like to see Smith make that adjustment or recognize it on the fly.

Posted: 08/16/2010 10:16 AM

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To be honest, I was more concerned with how effortlessly Peyton Manning cut apart the 49ers' defense than Alex Smith's effort. wink

It's just the first pre-season game, though. Smith was without Frank Gore, to keep the defense a bit more honest, and without one of his top play-makers in Vernon Davis. It wasn't a great performance, but it wasn't one that signifies the Alex Smith project is going to bust.

I think Smith just frustrates me. He always seems to be a few inches away from being the quarterback we've envisioned. He almost looks great, much of the time. wink It's a "so close to being there" frustration. I really hope it clicks this year and he figures out what makes him a moment slow to adjust or an inch off on his throws.

Posted: 08/16/2010 10:20 AM

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Yeah I agree with this completely.  But, Patrick Willis wasn't on the field either and while he won't make it ALL better, you're missing players on the defense so .... it is what it is.
Minstrel wrote: To be honest, I was more concerned with how effortlessly Peyton Manning cut apart the 49ers' defense than Alex Smith's effort. wink
I'm thinking you meant Michael Crabgreed not Vernon Davis, because Davis was indeed out there.
Minstrel wrote: It's just the first pre-season game, though. Smith was without Frank Gore, to keep the defense a bit more honest, and without one of his top play-makers in Vernon Davis. It wasn't a great performance, but it wasn't one that signifies the Alex Smith project is going to bust.
I find that overall the 49ers were disappointing in areas that I really didn't expect them to be and it was disheartening to see them come out and play so poorly.  When you're kick off returner runs into the back of his blockers and gets dropped at the 16, then the first play after that kick return your Running Back fumbles on the 16.  Bad.  Just Bad.

I will say that I don't see any way that Anthony Dixon isn't the backup running back when the seasons first game comes unless he just has a horrible remainder of the camp.

Posted: 08/16/2010 10:30 AM

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Alex will ultimately show that he is either finally ready to put excuses why he hasn't been successful to rest this pre-season/season. He is in the same system for the 1st time in his career, and his O-line though young has been upgraded along with the offensive weapons around him. As fans what I don't want lost in the shuffle or taken for granted is the success that his backups did have in the game. It doesn't take away from Alex that Carr and Davis had better stat lines or had more success in operation the offense. It was only one pre season game. But for us to say that Davis played against 2nd and 3rd stringers or that Carr had Dixon helping him moving the chains does are other QB options a disservice. The Colts 1st string Defense is not stellar to began with they are a middle of the pack, ranked D at best and Alex had a bad outing, lets call it for what it isnoidea Davis may never become a player that could fully understand the full grasp of an offensive scheme, but as one reporter stated he is a "street smart" type QB. Meaning that in a structured environment Davis may never look good, but you get him in live action and he will produce in a big way. Carr maybe finally able to show what he has as well. I think if anything one of the things I took away from this game is that our QB situation is better than it was last year and the year before that should Alex falter or have a setback.

Posted: 08/16/2010 10:32 AM

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Minstrel wrote: To be honest, I was more concerned with how effortlessly Peyton Manning cut apart the 49ers' defense than Alex Smith's effort. wink

And this despite the fact that Peyton didn't have Garcon and Clark, two of his favorite targets.  Peyton is just a machine, pure and simple, he's a sure fire first ballot future hall of famer, and will probably retire as one of the top three to five QBs to ever play the game.  Getting to watch Peyton play, its an amazing thing.  If I were the colts, though, I'd be very worried after this game, because the niner back-ups (2nd and 3rd team) kicked the colt's backups six ways to sunday.  Colt's fans are laying it all at the feet of Curtis Painter, but the niner reserves just looked like a better football team.  The colts obviously don't have the same depth they enjoyed during the Tony Dungy era, and that might be a problem for their superbowl aspirations.  On the other hand, they could also just be like the niners were in the 80s, who cares, its preseason? 

The niner starters have to play better, but this is a deepest niner team I've seen in ages.  What worries me about Smith is that he played awful against vanilla coverage (no blitzes, two deep zones, easy reads) and what makes me not so worried about the niners first team D is that peyton carved up a defense that was doing the same (vanilla scheme, no blitzes, standard coverage) Peyton will eat that kind of thing up.

Posted: 08/16/2010 10:54 AM

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I’m not sure I would say that Manning “Carved us up” easily.  Given the fact that Manning is without a doubt one on the best QB’s playing today, you’re going to have to allow that at times he will have his way with you.  Yesterday he took the field against us twice. Once he led a 78 yard drive that was assisted by a fumble that rolled out of bounds allowing the Colts to hang onto the ball, had that happened in midfield or  even with a little more grass before the side line that could have been the end of his drive.  On his first possession against us he took the ball over on our 18 yard line, was held to two completions for 13 yards and had to settle for a FG.  Not sure I would call that carving us up easily.

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Posted: 08/16/2010 11:02 AM

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Q8ty49er wrote: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwes...9ers-alex-smith


Hey Q'8

Thought I'd come over to your house for a change and lower the property value in your neighborhood tongue

Sando has offered a good perspective on our relative QB's. IMO, you can't read too much into preseason, especially this early. Personally I've always been of the opinion that Alex will do fine (but I'm a Cards fan so what do I knowrolleyes). When he stepped in last season the difference was like night and day. And how can anyone forget how he and Vernon clicked. So I believe it's just a matter of getting their timing back. Again, it's early, and these guys aren't machines that can be immdiately programmed to perform on demand.

I am of the belief that if you guys were to win the division this season, it will be with Alex under center, all other factors considered (OL, injuries...etc.).

Posted: 08/16/2010 11:37 AM

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plannb23 wrote: I'm thinking you meant Michael Crabgreed not Vernon Davis, because Davis was indeed out there.

Yeah, mental typo. I meant to write Crabtree, but was also thinking about how Davis was his only remaining play-maker, and ended up using the wrong name.
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