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Want to know why the 49ers are struggling?

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:43 AM

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In a paragraph here is why the 49ers are struggling.



Singletary is the team's fourth head coach; Jimmy Raye is the seventh offensive coordinator; Greg Manusky is the fourth defensive coordinator; Scot McCloughan is the third different person with final say on personnel matters; and Alex Smith is one of nine different starting quarterbacks over the past eight seasons.

Posted: 12/22/2009 10:13 AM

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Over 50% of the people on the board will call this an excuse and blame it on Alex Smith.

I for one agree whole heartedly that this is a HUGE factor in why we are struggling, we just need continuity.

Posted: 12/22/2009 10:56 AM

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I think what we need is a football Czar in the front office to provide experience with personnel decisions regarding players and coaches. 

Unless you pay your coordinators top dollar they will leave for other opportunities.  Nothing you can do about coordinators who leave for head coaching jobs but if you continue to hire rookie coaches they will continue to make rookie coaching mistakes and part of that is hiring the right guy in key positions.

With each change of head coach or coordinator comes a change in philosophy, normally.  A good example is Martz v Raye.  Are we better or worse this year with Raye having the personnel we have?  Would we be better with Martz this year?  Who knows, but I firmly believe you get a football Czar in the front office and we won't see all the jockeying around of coaching personnel.  I have mentioned Brian Billicks name more than once in this forum and I think he would make a good Czar.  He is a SB winning offensive minded coach who I think would bring a wealth of knowledge to the Bay that would help Sing and crew out immensely.

With a football Czar in the front office you have a resource to bounce ideas off of, a resource to help evaluate not just players talent but coaching talent and I think that's where it all starts.  You can have the most talented roster in the league but if they have no direction and don't effectively use the talent they have you get mediocre results.

When the Browns were courting Holmgren the media asked Jed if he considered making a play for Mike.  Jed said he thought we had the pieces in place right now in the front office.  Really?  Soooo, who is our go to football knowledge guy that Coach Sing and Scotty Mc can bounce ideas off of?  We have a rookie HC and a 2nd year GM and both could use a little help here and there from somebody who's been there.  JMHO of course.noidea

Posted: 12/22/2009 11:05 AM

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look at the winning or constant playoff teams and compare them to the rest of us... continuity.. a set philosophy on offense and defense and team building... OCs and DC's will come and go... but the philosophy has to be set... the replacements have to be groomed 'in house" (preferably)...

Posted: 12/22/2009 11:08 AM

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This is why the 49ers are struggling.
RUN BLOCKING PASS PROTECTION
TEAM Adj. Line RB Power Power 10+ 10+ Stuffed Stuffed TEAM Sack Sacks Adj.
Yards Yards Success Rank Yards Rank Rank Rank Sack Rate
1 DEN 4.56 4.55 68% 11 15% 22 17% 8 IND 1 10 3.30%
2 NO 4.56 4.68 63% 18 21% 11 17% 7 NE 2 16 3.50%
3 MIA 4.53 4.65 78% 2 19% 13 14% 1 TEN 3 12 3.80%
4 DAL 4.43 5.12 70% 5 26% 5 18% 12 NO 4 16 4.10%
5 BAL 4.39 4.49 64% 17 18% 16 17% 9 NYG 5 20 4.50%
6 GB 4.36 4.09 67% 14 13% 24 15% 3 ARI 6 18 4.50%
7 NE 4.31 4.16 69% 7 12% 28 14% 2 ATL 7 22 4.90%
8 PHI 4.29 4.47 67% 15 19% 12 15% 4 SD 8 21 4.90%
9 JAC 4.27 4.66 69% 6 27% 4 17% 10 DEN 9 23 5.40%
10 IND 4.2 4.02 68% 13 14% 23 20% 21 CIN 10 22 5.60%
11 NYJ 4.19 4.63 72% 4 22% 9 16% 5 MIN 11 25 5.80%
12 NYG 4.18 4.3 60% 22 17% 17 19% 14 TB 12 26 5.80%
13 ARI 4.17 4.34 52% 28 18% 15 22% 28 CHI 13 26 5.90%
14 PIT 4.16 4.38 69% 8 21% 10 19% 17 BAL 14 24 5.90%
15 CAR 4.14 4.89 63% 19 24% 6 22% 26 CLE 15 27 6.20%
16 ATL 4.14 4.43 66% 16 23% 7 19% 15 HOU 16 24 6.20%
RUN BLOCKING PASS PROTECTION
TEAM Adj. Line RB Power Power 10+ 10+ Stuffed Stuffed TEAM Sack Sacks Adj.
Yards Yards Success Rank Yards Rank Rank Rank Sack Rate
17 OAK 4.04 3.95 79% 1 13% 25 16% 6 DAL 17 27 6.50%
18 CIN 4.04 4.02 77% 3 15% 21 19% 16 STL 18 28 6.60%
19 STL 4.03 4.52 52% 29 19% 14 21% 25 MIA 19 25 6.70%
20 TEN 4 5.64 68% 10 38% 1 21% 22 CAR 20 26 6.80%
21 WAS 3.98 3.86 52% 30 16% 20 20% 19 SEA 21 31 6.90%
22 BUF 3.96 3.86 47% 31 11% 30 17% 11 PHI 22 31 7.00%
23 HOU 3.95 3.57 63% 20 10% 31 24% 30 DET 23 35 7.10%
24 MIN 3.93 4.3 54% 27 27% 3 25% 32 PIT 24 31 7.40%
25 SD 3.93 3.5 36% 32 12% 27 18% 13 NYJ 25 25 8.10%
26 CHI 3.88 3.96 57% 25 22% 8 21% 23 WAS 26 33 8.10%
27 SEA 3.88 3.98 55% 26 16% 18 20% 20 SF 27 32 8.60%
28 CLE 3.78 3.53 60% 21 8% 32 19% 18 KC 28 40 8.90%
29 DET 3.67 3.58 68% 12 11% 29 22% 27 OAK 29 33 9.00%
30 TB 3.57 3.82 69% 9 16% 19 21% 24 JAC 30 34 9.10%
31 KC 3.26 3.51 58% 24 12% 26 23% 29 BUF 31 36 10.00%
32 SF 3.23 4.03 59% 23 32% 2 24% 31 GB 32 44 10.60%
x NFL x 4.27 64% x 19% x 19% x NFL x 26 6.40%

Last edited 12/22/2009 11:14 AM by plannb23

Posted: 12/22/2009 11:14 AM

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LEFT END LEFT TACKLE MID/GUARD RIGHT TACKLE RIGHT END
TEAM ALY Rank ALY Rank ALY Rank ALY Rank ALY Rank
1 DEN 5.43 6 3.52 23 4.71 4 3.58 28 5.02 5
2 NO 3.97 18 4.19 14 4.76 3 4.48 8 4.79 6
3 MIA 5.44 5 3.65 20 4.55 6 4.36 12 3.89 18
4 DAL 5.51 3 5.13 2 4.09 17 4.13 17 4.47 10
5 BAL 3.95 19 3.29 28 4.48 7 4.04 20 6.29 1
6 GB 2.71 30 3.42 25 4.85 1 4.44 10 5.16 3
7 NE 4.78 9 3.97 16 4.58 5 3.63 27 3.42 24
8 PHI 4.27 15 4.99 5 4.31 8 4.36 11 3.58 22
9 JAC 5.9 2 4.7 9 4.08 18 4.08 18 4.1 16
10 IND 2.97 28 4.24 12 4.8 2 4.04 19 4.15 15
11 NYJ 2.66 31 4.33 11 4.18 12 5.1 1 2.9 27
12 NYG 4.02 17 4 15 4.11 15 4.46 9 4.34 12
13 ARI 5.95 1 3.72 19 3.98 20 4.57 6 2.97 26
14 PIT 4.41 13 4.61 10 4.12 14 3.63 26 4.73 8
15 CAR 3.76 20 5.02 4 4.09 16 3.7 25 3.87 20
16 ATL 5.49 4 3.86 17 3.75 28 3.99 22 4.76 7
LEFT END LEFT TACKLE MID/GUARD RIGHT TACKLE RIGHT END
TEAM ALY Rank ALY Rank ALY Rank ALY Rank ALY Rank
17 OAK 4.67 12 3.25 30 3.82 26 4.31 14 5.11 4
18 CIN 4.06 16 4.87 7 4.29 9 3.97 23 2.4 29
19 STL 4.38 14 5.48 1 3.85 24 4.54 7 2.28 30
20 TEN 3.34 24 3.37 27 3.96 22 4.27 15 5.22 2
21 WAS 3.59 22 3.63 22 4.28 10 4.63 5 3.56 23
22 BUF 3.04 26 3.64 21 4.18 13 3.18 30 4.66 9
23 HOU 3.03 27 3.05 31 4.21 11 4.25 16 4.41 11
24 MIN 3.47 23 4.82 8 3.91 23 3.92 24 4.01 17
25 SD 2.86 29 3.78 18 3.96 21 4.97 2 3.75 21
26 CHI 4.69 10 3.43 24 3.85 25 3.51 29 3.87 19
27 SEA 0.91 32 4.21 13 4.04 19 4.34 13 4.3 14
28 CLE 4.69 11 3.28 29 3.81 27 4.03 21 -0.34 32
29 DET 5.31 8 3.4 26 3.3 29 4.8 4 2.55 28
30 TB 3.17 25 5.13 3 3.28 30 4.86 3 1.98 31
31 KC 3.7 21 4.88 6 3.03 32 1.03 32 4.32 13
32 SF 5.41 7 2.2 32 3.22 31 2.53 31 3.27 25
x NFL 4.13 x 4.05 x 4.09 x 4.15 x 3.99 x

Posted: 12/22/2009 11:15 AM

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Team RB LEFT LEFT MID/ RIGHT RIGHT
Carries END TACKLE GUARD TACKLE END
1 NYJ 386 5% 11% 55% 21% 8%
2 MIA 365 14% 8% 60% 10% 8%
3 CIN 363 10% 19% 40% 16% 15%
4 CAR 357 11% 17% 52% 13% 8%
5 NO 343 10% 15% 52% 14% 8%
6 NYG 328 12% 15% 39% 18% 16%
7 MIN 320 14% 12% 49% 11% 13%
8 DEN 318 11% 12% 52% 11% 14%
9 TEN 316 14% 14% 44% 16% 13%
10 NE 300 7% 13% 60% 12% 7%
11 STL 293 6% 10% 52% 22% 11%
12 ATL 292 14% 13% 51% 11% 11%
13 PIT 289 9% 10% 52% 19% 10%
14 SD 288 11% 8% 57% 13% 10%
15 DAL 279 11% 14% 52% 14% 10%
16 OAK 276 12% 17% 41% 21% 9%
Team RB LEFT LEFT MID/ RIGHT RIGHT
Carries END TACKLE GUARD TACKLE END
17 BAL 272 11% 13% 53% 12% 10%
18 KC 269 17% 7% 49% 11% 16%
19 WAS 269 19% 19% 37% 12% 13%
20 HOU 268 7% 18% 47% 16% 12%
21 DET 265 12% 17% 32% 17% 21%
22 JAC 265 9% 4% 77% 3% 7%
23 IND 259 14% 20% 32% 17% 18%
24 BUF 258 7% 10% 60% 13% 9%
25 CLE 257 8% 12% 66% 12% 2%
26 GB 257 12% 16% 44% 13% 16%
27 SEA 255 9% 16% 42% 22% 11%
28 TB 246 8% 11% 61% 13% 7%
29 ARI 245 14% 14% 39% 21% 12%
30 CHI 233 12% 10% 56% 10% 11%
31 PHI 227 15% 14% 46% 9% 16%
32 SF 224 6% 6% 73% 10% 5%
x NFL x 11% 13% 51% 14% 11%
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Posted: 12/22/2009 11:18 AM

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I think everybody is right.  Constant changes in coaching and a bad O-Line.  Not sure about a "Football Czar" though, I think it's the GM's job to run the team (or the team president depending on the structure of the organization).

Posted: 12/22/2009 12:06 PM

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Good points guys.  Just another example would be Peyton Manning.  He has had the same offensive coordinator his entire career.  I heard that when I was watching the colts/jags game.  Thought that would be worth mentioning since we are talking about coaches.  We really do need to a single year where nothing changes.  Just so we can have a year to build off of.

Posted: 12/22/2009 12:11 PM

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If you look at every successful player in the QB position they have had constant coordinators, systems and players.  Very seldom is there a turn table of all of those things and QB is successful.
Young83 wrote:

Good points guys.  Just another example would be Peyton Manning.  He has had the same offensive coordinator his entire career.  I heard that when I was watching the colts/jags game.  Thought that would be worth mentioning since we are talking about coaches.  We really do need to a single year where nothing changes.  Just so we can have a year to build off of.

Posted: 12/22/2009 2:33 PM

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irvin19 wrote: I think everybody is right.  Constant changes in coaching and a bad O-Line.  Not sure about a "Football Czar" though, I think it's the GM's job to run the team (or the team president depending on the structure of the organization).
Jed York is the Team President and I'm sure he's a dynamic young man, but how much actual football knowledge does he have that will help him make the decisions necessary to build a winning a team?  To date, his most notable asset is his uncle.  Think about what he said last week about Holmgren.  He basically said "we're good to go in the front office."  Okay, so there is no room for improvement, experience wise?  I think there is and there are people available, but...we're good.

Scotty Mac is the GM and even though Nolan had the final say in the first three drafts (2005-2007), he had input.  Did he and Nolan agree on all selections?  Did he want somebody who turned out to be a stud for another team and we missed on our pick?  Hard to say, but he's had a hand in the past 5 drafts and we still have needs that were not addressed.  Had we drafted DeSean Jackson in 2008 we may not draft Crabtree.  These are the kinds of decisions a "Czar" helps with.  He is the guy who keeps a coach and GM from foaming at the mouth over a player who may help in the short term but may be detrimental in the overall scheme of things.

Another name out there that I've never heard brought up as a "Czar" is Tony Dungy.  Being able to pick the minds of these successful guys is how we grow and provides stability.  Dungy may never coach again, he may take the next job that comes along, but to not even consider bringing in somebody with that track record to "oversee" things show a little shortsightedness IMO.

Since I'm not an any NFL teams payroll I may very well be wrong...

Posted: 12/22/2009 2:36 PM

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I was with you all the way to right here.  Who's to say that a Czar would have drafted him.  The eagles actually had the 47th pick in the same draft where Desean Jackson was available, and they didn't take him, nor did 46 other people with the previous picks.  Just saying we screwed up because we didn't draft Desean Jackson isn't a reason to have  "Czar" in the front office.
VegasJack60 wrote: Had we drafted DeSean Jackson in 2008 we may not draft Crabtree.  These are the kinds of decisions a "Czar" helps with.  He is the guy who keeps a coach and GM from foaming at the mouth over a player who may help in the short term but may be detrimental in the overall scheme of things.

Another name out there that I've never heard brought up as a "Czar" is Tony Dungy.  Being able to pick the minds of these successful guys is how we grow and provides stability.  Dungy may never coach again, he may take the next job that comes along, but to not even consider bringing in somebody with that track record to "oversee" things show a little shortsightedness IMO.

Since I'm not an any NFL teams payroll I may very well be wrong...

Posted: 12/22/2009 2:57 PM

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I also think that Jed's words are being improperly characterized here. I think Holmgren at President would have been an interesting direction to go, but consider..

1) Holmgren has had limited success as a GM, himself. His greatest success (and greatest strengths, according to those who have been around him) is his coaching ability.. his ability to teach. As a GM or Team President, that talent is mitigated in favor of organization & personnel decisions.

2) Holmgren's a devoted WC offense guy; he practically helped to shape the first incarnation of that system when he was coaching under Walsh. Bringing him in here would have meant, quite literally, starting from scratch, yet again, on offense. I'm not at all a devotee of Raye, but as many people have stated.. the biggest thing this team has lacked is continuity. They have an opportunity to test out whether a little bit of continuity, for once, might not benefit the team. It’s not like this team was horrible this year. Disappointing, perhaps, but they showed some real flashes of potential for the first time since Norv Turner was the OC. We all know how we felt when Norv left.. why forcibly do that again if it’s not necessary.

 

3) While I’ve been an advocate of getting more football acumen on the staff to help guide McLoughlin, York, and Singletary, and I do think it has been a major factor in the franchise floundering the past 6-7 years, I don’t necessarily believe it’s the biggest issue moving forward. If they can add someone who can be an advisor without upsetting the applecart, then sure.. that’d be great. But, as I stated before, I’m in favor of having some stability for once. There are a number of things that I like about this team as it’s currently being run, and I’d rather let Singletary be given a little more time to complete his vision. If, through mid-season next year, this team is still looking at a sub-500 record and still unable to break out of the cycle of inconsistency, then.. yeah.. time to cut bait. Right now? I don’t think so.. not yet.

Posted: 12/22/2009 3:04 PM

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plannb23 wrote: I was with you all the way to right here.  Who's to say that a Czar would have drafted him.  The eagles actually had the 47th pick in the same draft where Desean Jackson was available, and they didn't take him, nor did 46 other people with the previous picks.  Just saying we screwed up because we didn't draft Desean Jackson isn't a reason to have  "Czar" in the front office.
VegasJack60 wrote: Had we drafted DeSean Jackson in 2008 we may not draft Crabtree.  These are the kinds of decisions a "Czar" helps with.  He is the guy who keeps a coach and GM from foaming at the mouth over a player who may help in the short term but may be detrimental in the overall scheme of things.

Another name out there that I've never heard brought up as a "Czar" is Tony Dungy.  Being able to pick the minds of these successful guys is how we grow and provides stability.  Dungy may never coach again, he may take the next job that comes along, but to not even consider bringing in somebody with that track record to "oversee" things show a little shortsightedness IMO.

Since I'm not an any NFL teams payroll I may very well be wrong...
Reading back over my post I never said we or anyone else screwed anything up.  I said "we may not draft Crabtree" which means there is an equal chance that we still do. 

Was drafting a WR a higher need than an OT?  I know the whole "value for pick" scenario and sometimes you let the higher value guy go to get the guy you really need.  We really needed an OT.  We have a guy on the sidelines (Brandon Jones) who could be just as good or maybe better than Crabtree.  Obviously we felt he would be an updgrade over what we had or they wouldn't have extended him the contract they did.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but a "Czar" in the front office can draw from past experiences to help guide him and those below him.  When you have personnel with limited experience in the front office the mistakes they make while learning on the job can set a franchise back years.  Look no further than the Donahue hire. 

If you believe we make all the same moves with an experienced guy in the front office, so be it.  That is not my opinion however and that is all I am offering, an opinion.cool

Posted: 12/22/2009 3:06 PM

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So are you saying that if we had drafted Desean Jackson and he wasn't playing well because none of our wide receivers were playing well that we wouldn't take the supposed most cant miss pick in the last decade at wide receiver?  You're right we might have traded down, but having a Czar doesn't mean everything is perfect, and Holmgren's troubles as a GM are well documented by two forced removals.
VegasJack60 wrote: Reading back over my post I never said we or anyone else screwed anything up.  I said "we may not draft Crabtree" which means there is an equal chance that we still do. 

Was drafting a WR a higher need than an OT?  I know the whole "value for pick" scenario and sometimes you let the higher value guy go to get the guy you really need.  We really needed an OT.  We have a guy on the sidelines (Brandon Jones) who could be just as good or maybe better than Crabtree.  Obviously we felt he would be an updgrade over what we had or they wouldn't have extended him the contract they did.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but a "Czar" in the front office can draw from past experiences to help guide him and those below him.  When you have personnel with limited experience in the front office the mistakes they make while learning on the job can set a franchise back years.  Look no further than the Donahue hire. 

If you believe we make all the same moves with an experienced guy in the front office, so be it.  That is not my opinion however and that is all I am offering, an opinion.cool

Posted: 12/22/2009 3:22 PM

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plannb23 wrote: So are you saying that if we had drafted Desean Jackson and he wasn't playing well because none of our wide receivers were playing well that we wouldn't take the supposed most cant miss pick in the last decade at wide receiver?  You're right we might have traded down, but having a Czar doesn't mean everything is perfect, and Holmgren's troubles as a GM are well documented by two forced removals.
VegasJack60 wrote: Reading back over my post I never said we or anyone else screwed anything up.  I said "we may not draft Crabtree" which means there is an equal chance that we still do. 

Was drafting a WR a higher need than an OT?  I know the whole "value for pick" scenario and sometimes you let the higher value guy go to get the guy you really need.  We really needed an OT.  We have a guy on the sidelines (Brandon Jones) who could be just as good or maybe better than Crabtree.  Obviously we felt he would be an updgrade over what we had or they wouldn't have extended him the contract they did.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but a "Czar" in the front office can draw from past experiences to help guide him and those below him.  When you have personnel with limited experience in the front office the mistakes they make while learning on the job can set a franchise back years.  Look no further than the Donahue hire. 

If you believe we make all the same moves with an experienced guy in the front office, so be it.  That is not my opinion however and that is all I am offering, an opinion.cool
The point of the post is not about Holmgren but Jed's opinion that we don't need any help in the front office.  Replace Holmgren's name the name of anyone you trust that could hold the position and the point remains the same.

Nobody has a crystal ball.  Nobody said anything about DeSean Jackson having a bad year.  I used him as an example of how someone with more experience may make a different choice on draft day because their thought process is different than that of the coach and maybe even the GM.  If you go back and read my post I said we may still draft Crabtree even if we had drafted Jackson.  Again, nobody has a crystal ball so we don't know.

Your thoughts are all over the place on this and you are reading way too much into what I said.

Maybe I didn't articulate what I meant good enough, but that's the best I got so having nothing more to add I'll leave it right there.cool

Last edited 12/22/2009 3:53 PM by VegasJack60

Posted: 12/22/2009 4:11 PM

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Might sound stupid but I think we need to keep out hands off any coaching or staff change for at least two years and see what a little continuity and stability in the leadership roles could bring to the field.  When the troops doubt their leader’s, success is hard to come by.  Let’s build the team starting with (Pudding & Plann you know what’s coming) the O-Line and then fill in the gaps all the time leaving a sense of continuity in the locker room and on the field.  Could be surprised at what that might yield.

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Posted: 12/22/2009 8:48 PM

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The other part of a constant shuffling of philosphy is it's hard to draft players to fit the scheme...because the scheme keeps changing.  We have changed from a 4-3 to a hybrid D then to a 3-4.  Our offense changes every year.  How can you develop talent if it doesn't belong in that scheme?

Posted: 12/22/2009 9:29 PM

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49ersD wrote:

The other part of a constant shuffling of philosphy is it's hard to draft players to fit the scheme...because the scheme keeps changing.  We have changed from a 4-3 to a hybrid D then to a 3-4.  Our offense changes every year.  How can you develop talent if it doesn't belong in that scheme?

Yeah, the defense went from Manusky in 2008 to Manusky in 2009.  The Offense went from Hostler & Tollner in 2007, Martz in 2008 and Jimmy Raye in 2009.

I had to throw in the two offensive coordinators in 2007!!!

I think the defensive players are having fun with the creative schemes.

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:22 AM

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Alex is a major reason why there's been so much turnover in those positions. When you draft a guy #1 and he fails to perform, heads will roll. he wasn't the reason for all the niner woes, but he was definitely a major part
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Posted: 12/23/2009 8:42 AM

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MY POST HAS BEEN EDITED FOR VIOLATING THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS.  PLEASE DON'T BE LIKE ME.

Last edited 12/23/2009 8:52 AM by plannb23

Posted: 12/23/2009 11:39 AM

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One thing to note is that the stats shown at the beginning of this thread are the results of the Niners struggles, not the struggle itself. Sort of chicken and the egg threory in a way, but in reality, the struggles began once the core executive management and ownership changed. As an organization, the Niners lost all that was built by DeBartolo, Policy and Walsh and did not retain the organization norms, winning tradition, winning swagger, and winning paradigms. Of course it didn't hurt to have three of the greatest football players in history (Montana, Rice, Young). Heck, for well over a decade we we the FORTY FRIGGEN NINERS! Unfortunately that "it" disappeared and was forgotten.

I think with Jed is slowly trying to get that back, but its difficult unless some truely gifted people start walking through the door. Not sure if we've got the horses yet. Yeah we've got potential future HoF'ers in Wilis and Crabtree, but no defense is a one-man show and even the greatest WR needs a competent QB. That pretty much crosses Alex Smith off the list
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Posted: 12/23/2009 2:20 PM

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madaboutniners wrote: Alex is a major reason why there's been so much turnover in those positions. When you draft a guy #1 and he fails to perform, heads will roll. he wasn't the reason for all the niner woes, but he was definitely a major part

Another example of a madaboutnioners complete waste of time post.  This post is pure inflammatory opinion, such as a troll would post.  Note, there are no facts, no explanation of the factors that could reasonably lead to such an opinion, just the bare, venting, frustrated, irrational, over-the-top, hyoperbolic opinion - and nothing more.