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53 Man Roster (Projections & Final Cuts)

  • majorpsu
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Posted: 08/23/2014 6:07 PM

53 Man Roster (Projections & Final Cuts) 


Everyone else seems to be doing one, so heres one to discuss.

Offense (24)

QB (2): Colin Kaepernick, Blaine Gabbert
RB (3): Frank Gore, Carlos Hyde, LaMichael James,
FB (1): Bruce Miller
WR (7): Michael Crabtree, Anquan Boldin, Stevie Johnson, Quinton Patton, Bruce Ellington, Brandon Lloyd, Kasim Osgood
TE (3): Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald, Derek Carrier
OT (3): Joe Staley, Anthony Davis, Jonathan Martin
OG (3): Mike Iupati, Joe Looney, Adam Snyder
C (2): Daniel Kilgore, Marcus Martin

Defense (29)

DL (7): Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, Ian Williams, Tony Jerod-Eddie, Quinton Dial, ,Demarcus Dobbs, Tank Carradine
OLB (4): Ahmad Brooks, Corey Lemonier, Dan Skuta, Aaron Lynch
ILB (3): Patrick Willis, Michael Wilhoite, Chris Borland
CB (8): Tramaine Brock, Chris Culliver, Perrish Cox, Chris Cook, Jimmie Ward, Darryl Morris, Dontae Johnson, Kenneth Acker
FS (1): Eric Reid
SS (3): Antoine Bethea, C.J. Spillman, Craig Dahl

K (1): Phil Dawson
P (1): Andy Lee
LOS (1): Kevin McDermott

Practice Squad Notables: Nick Moody ILB, Chase Thomas OLB, Okoye DL, Alfonso Smith RB,  DL Mike Purcell

Notes:
I sacrificed an extra RB so that i could get Kasim Osgood on for special teams at WR.  I have not seen enough from Moody yet that Borland can't do, and I think we can get Moody onto PS. I do not think Acker will clear waivers on the other hand so i have him on the 53 man as well, especially if he has another good preseason game.  I like Dahl more than Ventrone due to his ability to fill in at safety now that we have concussion concerns on a couple of those guys now, Reid and Bethea included.

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Posted: 08/23/2014 9:49 PM

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We won't carry 7 WRs. If we think we can sign Crabtree, I could see Lloyd over Johnson. If not, I think Lloyd is odd man out. Lattimore takes that spot. I could see Seymour over Snyder. I don't think we'd need 7 corners--if Acker makes it I think Cox is gone. Moody has ST value too so he gets that spot. Skov goes to ST. Seymour if not on the team.
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Posted: 08/24/2014 8:02 AM

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aweissburg wrote: We won't carry 7 WRs. If we think we can sign Crabtree, I could see Lloyd over Johnson. If not, I think Lloyd is odd man out. Lattimore takes that spot. I could see Seymour over Snyder. I don't think we'd need 7 corners--if Acker makes it I think Cox is gone. Moody has ST value too so he gets that spot. Skov goes to ST. Seymour if not on the team.

Lloyd, besides having the best hands of any of the backup WRs, is a 49er killer.  The last time he played against us it was 11 catches for 180 yards.  Pete Carroll is well aware of this. No way that Harbaugh lets him snatch up Lloyd so he stays.  I really like Osgood but we are loaded with special teams aces and Kap's avowed chemistry with Lloyd, "I throw to him because he's always open" will tell the story.  In addition, Lloyd has been mentoring the rookie DBs.  He is now a mature experienced WR and no longer the hot dog he once was. Remember his clutch one-handed catch vs. Seattle in crunch time when Garcia was QB?

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Posted: 08/25/2014 9:00 AM

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Based upon Martin's injury, I'd guess the OLs will be Snyder, J. Martin and Seymour (I think the latter has been working out at Center too). That means next year we also have Thomas and Martin coming back from IR, when J. Martin and Synder's contract is coming up.  As annoying as it is, M. Martin wasn't having a good camp and this might acutally better long term if we can keep Seymour who people liked a lot. 

Didn't see Llloyd do much yesterday. Am wondering if they go with 5 WRs and instead keep Winston.

Moody appears to be the 4 LB given his ST skill set, based upon some articles I saw yesterday.
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Posted: 08/25/2014 9:31 AM

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lloyd didn't dress yesterday which is why you didn't see him.

yeah i have to echo the sentiment- i don't see any way we keep 7 WRs. particularly given the need for another o-lineman, for example.

but in any case, 6 WRs is a possibility but 7 IMO is never going to happen. severe overkill.

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Posted: 08/25/2014 9:31 AM

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I noticed yesterday that Lloyd, Hampton, & Synder didn't play at all yesterday...were they injured?  are they on the outs?  I think Snyder is a solid veteran on the Line, however, J.Martin has filled in fairly admirably as a RT starter for A.Davis & they've stated they want to see him work at Guard as well once Davis returns, and Seymour has looked good at times.
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Posted: 08/25/2014 10:52 AM

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Honestly, if the 49ers go with 5 wide receivers, it could be Patton on the chopping block rather than Lloyd. The 49ers need to focus on maximizing this year's talent over using roster spots to retain young hopefuls for the future, and it isn't as if Patton is an amazing prospect. He's had a very quiet OTAs and training camp...amid constant buzz over almost every other wide receiver (Crabtree looks more explosive than ever, Boldin looks as good as ever, Lloyd lighting up training camp, Ellington looking smooth and unlike most rookies), Patton and Stevie Johnson are the two guys with very little buzz. Of the two, Johnson has proven much, much more in the NFL, so if it came down to them, I'd assume Johnson would be kept.

I still think they might keep 6 wide receivers if they really like Patton, but he strikes me as the guy most likely to be on the bubble (counting only "real" wide receivers, as opposed to Osgood who's a special teamer that can play wide receiver in an emergency).
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Posted: 08/25/2014 11:27 AM

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not sure what you're reading but everything i am says how much they love patton. so i see him as being in no danger of being cut. that move would make little to no sense to me. in fact, he appears to be our #3 right now by most accounts.

no way lloyd makes it over patton. patton isn't just a 'prospect'; he's a very talented young player NOW and is capable of contributing.

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Posted: 08/25/2014 11:32 AM

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higherwarrior wrote: not sure what you're reading but everything i am says how much they love patton. so i see him as being in no danger of being cut. that move would make little to no sense to me. in fact, he appears to be our #3 right now by most accounts.

no way lloyd makes it over patton. patton isn't just a 'prospect'; he's a very talented young player NOW and is capable of contributing.

Exactly.  I see Patton out there most in 3 Wide sets, with Boldin & Crabtree.  Stevie seems to come in for Boldin and/or Crabs with the second teamers.  I haven't seen Ellington out there in with Kap yet, but I'm sure that will happen once the season starts.  And while Lloyd may have looked good in camp, it hasn't translated to games yet, and he didn't play at all yesterday....his time may be up.
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Posted: 08/25/2014 12:30 PM

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Pretty sure James is being cut. Lattimore will be #53 on the roster.

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Posted: 08/25/2014 12:56 PM

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lattimore might be headed for the PUP at this rate. he's yet to practice so giving him a spot on the 53 is tough. I'm rooting for the kid but something still must not be quite right. or maybe the experiment has failed, who knows.

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Posted: 08/25/2014 1:01 PM

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higherwarrior wrote: not sure what you're reading but everything i am says how much they love patton

The 49ers love everyone...until they cut them. wink What I was talking about was reports about players wowing in camp and preseason. I haven't seen much of that for Patton. I don't think he's as safe as you imply, though I also don't think he's in any immediate danger of being cut. But I think he might be closest to the bubble if the 49ers need to make hard cuts and decide 5 wide receivers are all they're keeping.

Also, playing time in preseason is hard to parse. Sometimes lack of playing time means that a player is no longer in a team's plans, sometimes it means they already know what they have in that player and want to see more of a player they need to evaluate more. I don't think Lloyd not playing yesterday was his death knell.

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Posted: 08/25/2014 1:36 PM

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Minstrel wrote:
higherwarrior wrote: not sure what you're reading but everything i am says how much they love patton

The 49ers love everyone...until they cut them. wink What I was talking about was reports about players wowing in camp and preseason. I haven't seen much of that for Patton. I don't think he's as safe as you imply, though I also don't think he's in any immediate danger of being cut. But I think he might be closest to the bubble if the 49ers need to make hard cuts and decide 5 wide receivers are all they're keeping.

Also, playing time in preseason is hard to parse. Sometimes lack of playing time means that a player is no longer in a team's plans, sometimes it means they already know what they have in that player and want to see more of a player they need to evaluate more. I don't think Lloyd not playing yesterday was his death knell.

Do you really think that's the case with Lloyd though?  First time in a Niner uniform, after being completely out of football last season?  Also, not showing much in the actual games he has appeared in thus far....i kind of doubt that.
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Posted: 08/25/2014 1:39 PM

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I would say that Lloyd not playing, coupled with Patton playing in front of Stevie Johnson spells trouble for Lloyd.
NashvilleNiner wrote: Do you really think that's the case with Lloyd though?  First time in a Niner uniform, after being completely out of football last season?  Also, not showing much in the actual games he has appeared in thus far....i kind of doubt that.
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Posted: 08/25/2014 1:55 PM

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Patton getting reps with the first unit (ahead of Johnson) to me was significant. He didn't do anything that was 'wow' worthy, and he did drop a catchable pass, as well, but his role in the 3rd pre-season game, imo, says something about how he was doing in practice or in the classroom.

I don't know that Patton starting necessarily means trouble for Lloyd, though. It's quite possible they wanted to see exactly what Patton could do by being in with the first unit. Until there's a clearer understanding of why Lloyd didn't play, it's hard to know what him missing game time really means. 

I certainly don't think Lloyd having put up big numbers against the 49ers in his last game against them (before he took a full year off from playing) will factor too heavily into their decision. If he's not one of the best 53 players, I think they will cut him. If Seattle grabs him, so be it. The players going to Seattle that the 49ers have cut have yet to hurt them in any meaningful way to date, and making decisions based on that would be foolish, imo. Worry about your team first.

I do wonder about Johnson, though. He's had a very quiet training camp, and the coaching staffs comments on him have been fairly underwhelming, too. I wonder if he's simply not building chemistry with Kaepernick, or if he's really being outplayed to the point where they aren't calling his number. 

Ellington, imo, is the guy to keep an eye on. He's looked very good in all phases thus far, and his ability to provide speed from the slot is a piece they've been missing. He compliments Boldin/Crabtree better than any of the other receivers, imo, because he brings an element they all lack. 

It could be down to Johnson vs. Lloyd. Note that, with no money guaranteed, Johnson could be cut, and the cost would be whatever conditions were on that 4th round pick for next year. Patton could be cut, too, but I do think his youth and upside could win out. Sure, the team may want whomever can help them now, but we're talking about guys who will be possibly #4 #5 on the depth chart. While it appears the 49ers are looking to expand their passing game, I think they will still be predominantly in two WR sets, and, as noted, Ellington (as a lot WR) could be the #3 guy based on performances. Having one of Johnson or Lloyd would provide insurance on an injury to Crabtree or Boldin, but they may decide they don't need both -- especially if McDonald also becomes a bigger part of the passing game, too.
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Posted: 08/25/2014 2:27 PM

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I think the 49ers will go with 6 WR's and 5 are secure with their roster spots. Those 5 are Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, Ellington, and Patton. That leaves Lloyd and Osgood to battle for the last spot imo. Lloyd brings a veteran presence as a receiver but nothing to special teams and its the opposite for Osgood. If Ellington and Patton look ready to contribute, I think that could spell trouble for Lloyd. The injury to Costanzo might be a reason to keep Osgood around on special teams.
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Posted: 08/25/2014 5:10 PM

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I've heard a lot about patton all offseason and I don't think it's just coaches speak. observers of practices have said how consistently he's played and how he's had a good repoire with Kaep too. given that we invested a decent draft pick in him just last year, given that he's still under contract for 2 more years at a very team friendly number, given that he's not even begun to scratch the surface, given that he's been called a potential future starter, and given that he's gotten stronger to deal with some of those physical nfc west defenses, I think he makes more sense to have on the roster than Brandon Lloyd- now and most definitely in the longterm. so yes- I will stand by my statement that he's in absolutely no danger of being cut even if we only keep 5 WRs. I think he's shown more than Johnson or Lloyd at this point.

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Posted: 08/25/2014 7:35 PM

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Cuts made today to get us to 75: www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/bowma...rs-roster-moves

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Posted: 08/25/2014 9:00 PM

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Lattimore on the Reserve list, so he's clearly dealing with some issue. My guess is that his knee probably swelled up and he's had some continued discomfort. Not uncommon after a long rehab with very little physical exertion. Hopefully it's not a chronic issue. We've seen athletes in other sports (e.g., Andrew Bynum) who can't go very long before having their knees swell up like balloons.
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Posted: 08/25/2014 11:46 PM

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I did my projected list today and I've got Jonathan Martin making the 53-man roster, especially with Boone out.

I cut Craig Dahl (who is horrible in coverage- burned two straight weeks for touchdowns), moved Jimmie Ward to Safety to take over Dahl's spot, and also cut Quinton Dial and Perrish Cox.

BLloyd is out, Osgood is in (Patton has developed quite well and Osgood is a beast on STs).

my 53 man roster looks like this:

QBs-2
RBs/FBs- 5
WRs- 6
TE- 2
OL- 8
DL- 7
LBs-9
CBs- 6
S- 5
K-1
P-1
LS-1

I know you're thinking "WOW, that's a lot of linebackers", but Aldon is probably out a couple of weeks, which means we've got 8, and most of these guys play LB/DE anyway.

What do you guys think?

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