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Posted: 08/04/2014 4:09 PM

49ers waive Kendall Hunter 


Niners waive Kendall Hunter as reported by PFT. I would link it but can't figure out my new phone.

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Posted: 08/04/2014 4:12 PM

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Posted: 08/04/2014 4:15 PM

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I know he's a FA after this season and his season is now done anyway. but what is the benefit of this, other than saving a spot on the 90 man roster? this makes no sense to me. seems like an unnecessary risk considering we will lose the ability to negotiate with him exclusively for a period after the season. (I believe)

isn't this going to rub hunter the wrong way too? maybe I'm misunderstanding how this all works and someone like pudding or minstrel or plannb will set me straight. but to me this seems odd. we will be making cuts soon anyway so what's the great benefit of having another roster spot available for the '90th man'?

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Posted: 08/04/2014 4:23 PM

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I know he's a FA after this season and his season is now done anyway. but what is the benefit of this, other than saving a spot on the 90 man roster? this makes no sense to me. seems like an unnecessary risk considering we will lose the ability to negotiate with him exclusively for a period after the season. (I believe)

isn't this going to rub hunter the wrong way too? maybe I'm misunderstanding how this all works and someone like pudding or minstrel or plannb will set me straight. but to me this seems odd. we will be making cuts soon anyway so what's the great benefit of having another roster spot available for the '90th man'?

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I think the combination of his inability to stay healthy, pending free agency, and ease of which RBs can be found in the draft all contributed to this move.
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Posted: 08/04/2014 4:35 PM

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possibly. but everything we've been hearing recently- even after the injury- was how the 49ers still valued him and wanted him back.

one does have to question how he'll look when he does come back though. but this is still a slightly puzzling move to me.

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Posted: 08/04/2014 7:30 PM

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I liked Hunter but come on fellas, let's be realistic, he's 5'7 195 lbs dripping wet, lacks in pass protection with a history of injuries.  Why we a team be loyal with this stats?  As someone else mentioned RB's come a dime a dozen nowadays.  I wish him well and a speedy recovery and I'm sure he'll catch on with another team next year.

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Posted: 08/04/2014 7:42 PM

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As was said by some other beat reporters, it's highly unlikely another team will be willing to pay his $600K salary just to let him rehab with them all year long. I think he clears waivers and goes on IR. Unless the Patriots really want to poach him!
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Posted: 08/04/2014 7:51 PM

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hunter's stats are very good and he's actually very good in pass protection so I'm not sure where that criticism comes from. so criticize him for being injured if you want. but the guy has otherwise been a stand out player for us in his limited role. he does not play like a 'scat back' even though he's a bit smaller build. he's well built and very tough, he's just had 2 unfortunate injuries the last 2 years.

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Posted: 08/04/2014 9:02 PM

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Yeah, Hunter's been fine in pass protection and his efficiency has generally been strong. He's a good running back who was able to run between the tackles in addition to attacking the edges. He's a major loss but hopefully Hyde can play well in his stead and Hunter's able to get his career back on track.
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Posted: 08/05/2014 5:57 AM

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Running backs that get hurt often early in the career do not have long careers. There are exceptions of course but its not in their favor. To me this says that the team LOVES what they have in Hyde.
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Posted: 08/05/2014 8:08 AM

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Matt Maiocco did a piece on this and I think he's covered it pretty well.
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Posted: 08/05/2014 9:06 AM

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yes i was about to post that- good find plannb. i think this article more clearly lays out why we've done it and puts to rest any other theories as to why this move was made.

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Posted: 08/05/2014 9:28 AM

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Looks like they filled Hunter's roster spot by signing Glenn Winston.  Obviously, it's low risk and maybe they saw something in him that suggests he's a reformed guy, but Winston brings all sorts of baggage.  He's basically another Lawrence Phillips with less talent.
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Posted: 08/05/2014 9:30 AM

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yeah he has a bunch of issues that concern me. i guess at this point it doesn't hurt to bring him in. but wow.

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Posted: 08/05/2014 11:29 AM

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ljlawdog wrote: Looks like they filled Hunter's roster spot by signing Glenn Winston.  Obviously, it's low risk and maybe they saw something in him that suggests he's a reformed guy, but Winston brings all sorts of baggage.  He's basically another Lawrence Phillips with less talent.

I don't think you're being fair to the kid at all, especially the Lawrence Phillips comment.  He's talented and committed.  See what is said about him.  Give him a chance.  

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Posted: 08/05/2014 1:01 PM

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KezarVet wrote:
ljlawdog wrote: Looks like they filled Hunter's roster spot by signing Glenn Winston.  Obviously, it's low risk and maybe they saw something in him that suggests he's a reformed guy, but Winston brings all sorts of baggage.  He's basically another Lawrence Phillips with less talent.

I don't think you're being fair to the kid at all, especially the Lawrence Phillips comment.  He's talented and committed.  See what is said about him.  Give him a chance.  

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First of all, he's not a kid.  He's 25 years old and only a rookie because he spent 3 years out of football, some of which was spent doing time.  Second, which part of the Phillips comparison is unfair?  That he is less talented?  I don't think that's even disputable.  The comparison to their off-the-field issues?  Winston has already had as many reported assault inicidents and spent a lot more time locked up than Phillips had at that age.  I don't think that comparison is unfair either.  I'm not predicting he's going to end up spending most of his life in prison like Phillips.  Just pointing out that, like Phillips, he has had multiple horrendous incidents at similar points in their life.  I would argue that Winston has been much worse and more dangerous through his college years.

Look, I really do hope he is reformed, for the 49ers' sake and his own.  It would be great if he had a long career and, more importantly, a productive life.  But it's not being unfair to point out that this guy has a very troubled and scary past.  I mean, are you aware of the details surrounding his past arrests?  Frightening stuff.
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Posted: 08/05/2014 1:45 PM

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To be fair, the incidents in Winston's past happened in 2008 and 2009 (when he was 19-20), and, as far as I am aware, he does not have any record of issues since then. Also, contrary to Philips, who, despite the multiple incidents at Nebraska culminating in the beating of his then girlfriend, was not kicked off the team and, within a year of being drafted into the NFL at 21, was already spending days behind bars for additional incidents. 

Point being, it's been nearly 5 years since Winston's second incident of assault at Rather Hall (an incident that, per this story, happened a night after he had been ganged up on and beaten, as well), and he did suffer some real life consequences, instead of being coddled by the institution because he was an athlete. It seems far more likely that he might have, at least, learned something from his long road back than Phillips, who had millions in the bank already when he came knocking on the 49ers door for another chance (a chance he'd blow pretty quickly, too). 

I agree that he's a low-risk pick up. I tend to agree with KezarVet, though, that the Phillips comparison is perhaps a little unfair. Yes, he has a criminal past ,but by bringing up Phillips, it's quite easy to infer that you mean that he's just trouble waiting to happen, too. Their paths to this juncture in their lives have been different, as have the incidents that led them here (Winston was at least sort of defending himself against other men who had jumped him; a foolish, naive, and ultimately costly act, but not, imo, anything as cowardly or as heinous as beating a woman, which Phillips did repeatedly over his lifetime).
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Posted: 08/05/2014 2:55 PM

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pudding wrote: To be fair, the incidents in Winston's past happened in 2008 and 2009 (when he was 19-20), and, as far as I am aware, he does not have any record of issues since then. Also, contrary to Philips, who, despite the multiple incidents at Nebraska culminating in the beating of his then girlfriend, was not kicked off the team and, within a year of being drafted into the NFL at 21, was already spending days behind bars for additional incidents. 

Point being, it's been nearly 5 years since Winston's second incident of assault at Rather Hall (an incident that, per this story, happened a night after he had been ganged up on and beaten, as well), and he did suffer some real life consequences, instead of being coddled by the institution because he was an athlete. It seems far more likely that he might have, at least, learned something from his long road back than Phillips, who had millions in the bank already when he came knocking on the 49ers door for another chance (a chance he'd blow pretty quickly, too). 

I agree that he's a low-risk pick up. I tend to agree with KezarVet, though, that the Phillips comparison is perhaps a little unfair. Yes, he has a criminal past ,but by bringing up Phillips, it's quite easy to infer that you mean that he's just trouble waiting to happen, too. Their paths to this juncture in their lives have been different, as have the incidents that led them here (Winston was at least sort of defending himself against other men who had jumped him; a foolish, naive, and ultimately costly act, but not, imo, anything as cowardly or as heinous as beating a woman, which Phillips did repeatedly over his lifetime).
Fair enough.  I agree that his incidents are much more in the rear view than Phillips' were by the time he came into the league, and so the potential that he is reformed is certainly higher.  Part of him staying out of trouble, of course, can be attributed to the fact that Winston was incarcerated for some of the subsequent time, but the point is still well taken.

I will disagree on his acts being less heinous than Phillips' or any attempt to characterize them as defending himself.  I mean, yeah, I guess you could say he was defending his honor or something ridiculous like that, but he certainly wasn't acting in self-defense (i.e., defense of his own safety).  I know that's not the argument you're making, but one with less details of the circumstances might infer that from your "sort of defending himself" comment.  He wasn't in any danger.  He led a mob--wearing ski masks--into a building and proceeded to beat and kick a guy repeatedly who showed no interest in fighting back.  And this was after he was already on probation and served several months in jail for essentially caving the head in of an unsuspecting bystander who just happened to associate with guys Winston had problems with.  Phillips' actions were despicable too, but I wouldn't characterize Winston's as less so just because his victims are males.  Victim gender aside, the severity of what Winston did was certainly worse and he spent nearly a year of his life in jail, cumulatively, because of it.

In any event, we all seem to agree that there's low risk in this move for the 49ers.  Hopefully, it works out.
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Posted: 08/05/2014 3:15 PM

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I'm not going to debate the levels of crime in here, but I put the beating of women far beyond 'mob mentality,' which is essentially what the Rather Hall incident was. I'm not saying it wasn't a crime, nor am I saying that he shouldn't have been punished as severely as he was. There are no excuses for his action, and he deserved getting kicked off the team and serving time behind bars. 

I just wanted to clarify, since you provided absolutely no reference to his past actions at all (just compared him to Phillips), which is far more conducive of a "misunderstanding" of his past than me using the phrase "defending himself" in describing the assault at Rather Hall. His criminal history is very different from Phillips, as is his path.

He spent 6 months (of the over 4 1/2 years since he was convicted) in prison, so it's not like he spent 3 years behind bars, and only recently got out. The guy has not had any incidents at all in nearly 5 years and, from all accounts, seems to have had his head screwed on the right way since that last incident basically ended his once promising D-1 career. 

Again.. you made the Phillips reference, and, while I think there has to be caution with anyone who has a criminal history of any sort, I agree with KezarVet in saying that that comparison was a bit unfair and lacking the details. The crimes and crime history are not truly comparable, and, while I think he's a long-shot to make the team and I would not simply take him at his word that he's 'reformed' (let his actions continue to speak it), the Phillips comparison definitely, imo, implies an expectation of the worst in him.
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Posted: 08/05/2014 4:06 PM

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pudding wrote: I'm not going to debate the levels of crime in here, but I put the beating of women far beyond 'mob mentality,' which is essentially what the Rather Hall incident was. I'm not saying it wasn't a crime, nor am I saying that he shouldn't have been punished as severely as he was. There are no excuses for his action, and he deserved getting kicked off the team and serving time behind bars. 

I just wanted to clarify, since you provided absolutely no reference to his past actions at all (just compared him to Phillips), which is far more conducive of a "misunderstanding" of his past than me using the phrase "defending himself" in describing the assault at Rather Hall. His criminal history is very different from Phillips, as is his path.

He spent 6 months (of the over 4 1/2 years since he was convicted) in prison, so it's not like he spent 3 years behind bars, and only recently got out. The guy has not had any incidents at all in nearly 5 years and, from all accounts, seems to have had his head screwed on the right way since that last incident basically ended his once promising D-1 career. 

Again.. you made the Phillips reference, and, while I think there has to be caution with anyone who has a criminal history of any sort, I agree with KezarVet in saying that that comparison was a bit unfair and lacking the details. The crimes and crime history are not truly comparable, and, while I think he's a long-shot to make the team and I would not simply take him at his word that he's 'reformed' (let his actions continue to speak it), the Phillips comparison definitely, imo, implies an expectation of the worst in him.
Alright.  We actually agree on everything I just bolded.  Beyond that, you guys think the Phillips comparison (as of the time they entered the league, not what Phillips became after) is unfair.  I don't think it's off base, notwithstanding that there are of course some key differences (as there are with virtually any comparison).  I acknowledge those differences, but stand by the fact that Winston had more violent incidents than Phillips did upon entering the league and, at least in the eyes of the law, engaged in just as reprehensible of behavior (Winston's crimes were actually subject to far harsher punishment under the law).  I'm fine with agreeing to disagree about what that all means, and don't really care to debate it any further.  Like I said, I wish him the best, for his own sake and the 49ers'.  

As long as he doesn't miss a block that results in Kaepernick suffering a career-ending concussion, I will not push the Phillips comparison any further. wink
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